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March 23, 2009

Still More Love for Blackberry Users

Man, there’s so much free love flowing here you’d think it was a meeting of a TEC experimental liturgy committee.

OK, Blackberry users - I need to know…

If you go here, do you see “Hi Blackberry Users!” at the top of the screen, above our logo?

Please note… you have to go there on your Blackberry wink

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First!  Sorry, but no I do not see that.  And navigation on the bb is now a big pain.  Thanks for trying to fix!

[1] Posted by Terry Chapman on 3-23-2009 at 07:59 PM · [top]

Nope Logo and 4 nonfunctionAl buttons ony. And text is disappearing in this window. nonfunctional buttons

[2] Posted by Ralph on 3-23-2009 at 08:01 PM · [top]

Umm. Back on my computer. It was showing the logo and 4 nonfunctional buttons. And, the text I was entering in the comment box on this page was disappearing as I entered it.

Bedtime for Rafe. Thanks again for all that you do, Greg.

[3] Posted by Ralph on 3-23-2009 at 08:04 PM · [top]

Like that I can navigate on bb to the stories now.  Much love back to the Webmaster.

[4] Posted by Terry Chapman on 3-23-2009 at 08:05 PM · [top]

Don’t know how this is going but my IPAQ hasn’t been able to access the buttons for quite a while.

[5] Posted by EmilyH on 3-23-2009 at 08:15 PM · [top]

OK, Blackberry users - if possible, refresh the mobile site, copy the string of junk at the top of the page, and paste it here. Thanks!

[6] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 08:17 PM · [top]

Hi here is what my IPAQ reads from the top of the 4 button screen:

Mozilla/4.0(compatible:MSIE 4.01;Windows CE; PPC; 240x320)

[7] Posted by EmilyH on 3-23-2009 at 08:34 PM · [top]

Scratch that, Blackberry users - back to the original question:

When you visit the mobile site: you see the words, “Hi Blackberry User!” at the top of the screen, above our logo?

[8] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 08:34 PM · [top]

Thanks, EmilyH - that’s what I hoped IPAQS would read.

[9] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 08:43 PM · [top]

I went back to the default mobile display rather than the single column that was noted in the above.  None of the buttons work on “mobile” and there is no welcome of any kind…but then again I’m not a BB user, and I ran my first programs with punched cards and actually learned CPM and DEC’s “Pal”  Does anybody else remember the color of the buttons on the Altair and when the Kapro 2 became 4. and 8…

[10] Posted by EmilyH on 3-23-2009 at 08:45 PM · [top]

Greg, with Opera i see:
The logo, four buttons, and the comments line from the left - Greg Griffith telling EmilyH that the IPAQ looks like it should.
On the BB browser, I see:
Hi Blackberry User!
and the logo and four dead buttons.

[11] Posted by Paul B on 3-23-2009 at 08:46 PM · [top]

And Greg, wrote my first FORTRAN program on punch cards.

First job out of the Army was on DEC PDP 11s.

[12] Posted by Paul B on 3-23-2009 at 08:47 PM · [top]

Y’all forget about the dead buttons - one thing at a time. If I’m correctly detecting your Blackberry, now I can move on to making your buttons work. Stand by…

[13] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 08:51 PM · [top]

The problem with the IPAQ is the buttons look great, they just don’t work.  I’m on my desktop

[14] Posted by EmilyH on 3-23-2009 at 08:52 PM · [top]

Also, PaulB - I’m old, but I ain’t THAT old. Although I did work on a VAX my freshman year in college, which drove me to dump the CS program entirely.

[15] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 08:52 PM · [top]

And I remember Trash 80 that reboted itself every ten minutes and the Comadore 64.  IBM 4088 was real high tech.  Now at my age my fingers are too big for the tiny BB keys and eyesight can’t read the script—so I guess that is just a primitive interface problems.  Don’t you kids stay up too late tonight.  Cheers

[16] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 3-23-2009 at 09:30 PM · [top]

Ah punch cards of sainted memory.  Now I am missing 5 Unit Murray Code paper tape.


[17] Posted by Alasdair+ on 3-23-2009 at 09:34 PM · [top]

Greg, I see the “Hi Blackberry Users” on my BB Storm when I go to the link.  I also see the 4 buttons, but when I try to use them, I don’t get anything.  I assume the abbreviated site is intended to load faster, but I am better off downloading the regular web site.  If there is something I have missed, please let me know.


[18] Posted by Rewster on 3-23-2009 at 09:43 PM · [top]

I punched cards in HS and wrote Fortran in College and MS DOS in grad school. From there to here defies description.

[19] Posted by vu82 on 3-23-2009 at 09:56 PM · [top]

OK all you fogeys - back to testing my Blackberry version of the mobile site.

Rewster - if you refresh the mobile version of the site in your Blackberry, you should see no “Hi Blackberry User”, and the buttons should work. Please let me know if they don’t.

Other Blackberry users - please chime in.

[20] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-23-2009 at 10:28 PM · [top]

No “Hi Blackberry User”, but who cares? I’m back to square one where I can navigate through SF well enough. And I thought that I was down to a crummy phone with email and browser and gps (a nearly useless piece of hardware when you’re needing to check out all things Anglican)

[21] Posted by Keith Bramlett on 3-23-2009 at 11:53 PM · [top]

Alasdair , Ah, punched paper tape.  Butterfly that and put a paper clip in the middle to keep it together.  Don’t use a stapler - I learned that the hard way!

Greg, my youngest is 12, so I can’t be THAT much older than you.  Just because I remember the time before cable, before VCRs, before FM stereo,  before computers, before radial tires, before…  sheesh, I have to go lie down.

[22] Posted by Paul B on 3-24-2009 at 05:03 AM · [top]

I never saw the IBM 360. Wrote FORTRAN on a coding sheet. Someone else (a paid keypunch operator) punched the cards. Another person fed them into the machine, and retrieved the card output. Yet another person took the cards to the listing machine, and then sent the paper printout to me. It was awesome. Then an IBM 1620 (regression). I learned how to do all of that myself. Then we got a hard drive for it. Whoo-HOO! Then a PDP-12. Next an Apple ][+, then Macintosh nirvana. Nope, I don’t do Windows. I’ll send a BB report in a minute.

[23] Posted by Ralph on 3-24-2009 at 07:10 AM · [top]

The first computer I worked with was a Monrobot. It used magnetic cards, same size and shape as the IBM punched cards but with at magnetic coating on the back, used to store data. It used punched tape to input its programs and data. Then in ‘75 I went to work at DEC on PDP11’s, Decsystem20’s, the ill-fated Jupiter, and various VAXen,
MicroVAXs, DEC’s personal computer offerings.
Paul, I can remember the first TV in the neighborhood. Guy across the street who was an appliance repairman,
bought a kit and assembled it in his workshop. It didn’t have a cabinet, just the breadboard and components bare, but it brought the whole neighborhood into his livingroom to watch. Now I have a DLP TV, TIVO and cable, Internet, VOIP phone. My father would be amazed. He remembered the first automobile to come to town in Clarksdale, MS, probably because he was called on to fix it, a machinist being the closest thing to a mechanic available.
Time marches on.

[24] Posted by Marie Blocher on 3-24-2009 at 07:12 AM · [top]

What I get is the header, 4 buttons that are now functional, the recent posts, and the list of who is logged in.

Clicking on the “comments” button refreshes the recent posts. Features works. The week brings up the topic list.

Greg rules!

BTW, I forgot. The PDP-12 had a teletype with paper tape, innovative linc tape drives - and a tempermental internal hard drive. The DEC service man and I were good phone buddies. I could take the thing apart and put it back together. Wow, we’ve come a long way. Sic transit gloria mundi…

[25] Posted by Ralph on 3-24-2009 at 07:23 AM · [top]

Marie, my dad and I built our first color TV - a HeathKit.  Everyone in the family came running the first hundred times we saw the NBC peacock in all his glory.

[26] Posted by Paul B on 3-24-2009 at 08:58 AM · [top]

Enough love for the BB’s.  On the the Pocket PC please!  Actually, Comments, the week and features now OPERAtional (sic.) on my Pocket PC.  Pocket Internet Explorer still has dead square buttons.

[27] Posted by Brad M on 3-24-2009 at 09:04 AM · [top]

Love it—was able to read the hilarious Bishop of Nevada thread last night on my blackberry while falling asleep.  The missuz wanted to know what was so funny.

[28] Posted by Nasty, Brutish & Short on 3-24-2009 at 10:35 AM · [top]

Yipee! Yipee! Gooooooo Greg!

[29] Posted by veritas2007 on 3-24-2009 at 10:50 AM · [top]

6:25pm Eastern Time. No, I just checked on my Blackberry Pearl 8100, and did not see the welcome message. The four boxes, however, seemed to be working correctly (the “More” box took me to a blank page—which I assume is how you have it now).

[30] Posted by alfonso on 3-24-2009 at 05:26 PM · [top]

Hi Greg,
Nice work.
Using a bb bold, no greeting message but the link and buttons seem to work very well. Thanks,

My first computer use was an IBM 1620, write you own program, punch your own cards, and feed them in the machine yourself.  In the “go to” commands, you would specify a name/number for the program logic step to jump to.  I could not resist telling the machine to go to h_ll, well it rhymes with well.  I thought it would be a good joke to share amongst computer friends.  The machine code writers had anticipated my action.  The computer came back to me with the classic “monopoly game” response to “go to jail”.  The response (in addition to stopping my program) was “do not pass go, do not collect $200.”  We laughed until we nearly passed out.

[31] Posted by Truthseeker on 3-24-2009 at 06:45 PM · [top]

The neat thing about the IBM 1620 was that it had volatile memory. When you turned it off, it lost everything.

When you turned it on, it didn’t even know how to start itself up. You went to a terminal, typed in some machine language code that brought a few cards in from the reader. This caused the “operating system” (we used FORGO a lot) to load. The procedure was called bootstrapping.

It’s rather like writing “John 3:16” on a sign, so that someone goes home, looks it up, reads it, studies it, and then goes on to read and understand more and more.

Those of us who were diabolical, and knew machine language would go into the math tables in memory, and change them so that 2+2=5, or whatever.

Memories…I’ll sign off on this.

[32] Posted by Ralph on 3-24-2009 at 06:52 PM · [top]

Thanks everybody for reporting their results with their Blackberries. I took off the “Hi” message when I was satisfied I was correctly detecting Blackberries.

I’ve also changed the conditional by which mobile users are served up the non-Javascript version. It’s fairly simple - if you’re an iPhone user, you get the JS-enabled version. Otherwise, you get the non-JS version.

Feel free to report any other issues with any mobile platforms.

[33] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-24-2009 at 07:17 PM · [top]

First machine was PHP 8 with FOCAL using paper tape.  Then RCA version of IBM 360 and FORTRAN via punch cards.  Move up to to PHP 10 with terminals.  Still from time to time still code FORTRAN.

[34] Posted by Scott+ on 3-24-2009 at 07:48 PM · [top]

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