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July 21, 2009

Is Obama More Catholic Than The Pope

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, is the eldest of Robert Kennedy’s 11 children and former Lt. Governor of Maryland.  I don’t know if she is a member of TEc but if not, she needs to consider conversion.  She makes the same mistake as the current leadership of TEc - believing the Church is suppose to be shaped by culture. 

But there they part ways. Politics requires the ability to listen to different points of view, to step into others’ shoes. Obama might call it empathy. While the pope preaches love, listening to the other has been a particular stumbling block for the Catholic hierarchy (as it is for many in power). The hierarchy ignores women’s equality and gays’ cry for justice because to heed them would require that it admit error and acknowledge that the self-satisfied edifice constructed around sex and gender has been grievously wrong. Before he became John Paul II, Karol Wojtyla had a telling all-or-nothing formulation: “If it should be decided that contraception is not an evil in itself then we should have to concede frankly that the Holy Spirit is on the side of the Protestant Churches.”

  Wouldn’t it have been wonderful if the Kennedy family had displayed this much passion about Mary Jo Koepeckne. The 40th anniversary of her death occurred on July 18. 

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Or even Ted’s first wife, Joan.

[1] Posted by Marie Blocher on 7-21-2009 at 11:06 AM · [top]

How does the joke go? 

“The lesson of JFK is that not being Catholic has no effect on a presidential candidate’s prospects”

[2] Posted by J Eppinga on 7-21-2009 at 11:10 AM · [top]

God bless the family of Mary Jo Koepeckne at this painful time of remembrance.

[3] Posted by lift high the Cross on 7-21-2009 at 11:11 AM · [top]

And as far as “women’s equality” is concerned, I am reminded of Gianna Jessen, the young woman who survived an abortion. She asks poignantly, “If women have rights, what about mine?” To think that there can even BE a law called the “Born Alive Infants Protection Act” should make us all feel ill (and in need of great mercy.)

[4] Posted by lift high the Cross on 7-21-2009 at 11:18 AM · [top]

The whole Kennedy clan appears to be morally bankrupt.

[5] Posted by evan miller on 7-21-2009 at 11:19 AM · [top]

Yes, it does - and it has been since the days of Joe Kennedy. The Catholic Church has made serious mistakes in the way it reacts to Catholics who are prominent in public life. By adopting a double standard, it has encouraged these people to call themselves Catholic while campaigning for things that are very much against church teaching.

[6] Posted by Nellie on 7-21-2009 at 11:29 AM · [top]

“One cannot imagine St. Francis of Assisi talking about rights.”
—Simone Weil

The kingdom of heaven is not a modern liberal democracy.  It is a kingdom ruled by a sovereign king and not by any of us individually or collectively.  The same is true of the Church (whether spelled with a capital C or a lowercase c). 

The Catholic Church teaches that pronouncements made by the Pope from the chair of Peter on questions of faith and morals are revealed truth.  One can of course accept the Church’s teachings or one can reject the Church’s teachings.  We all have freedom of conscience. 

But the question one ought to ask in deciding to accept or reject the Church’s teachings is NOT whether a majority of Catholics agree with those teachings.  The question one ought to ask is whether it is reasonable to accept those teachings as revelation from God. 

Unless of course one believes that God bases revelation on the opinions expressed by men to a pollster.

[7] Posted by Rick H. on 7-21-2009 at 03:44 PM · [top]

I do recall seeing exit signs on the interior side of the egress doors in any Catholic parish I have been to. Snd the doors as required by NFPA 101 do remain unlocked during Mass.  So I know one can easily find an accessible and unlocked exit from the church. 

I had assummed, erroneously it appears, that the same held true for the Church.  That one could easily leave without hindrance should the teachings just prove too backwater, oppressive and unenlightened. 

Oh well, I for one know I get tired of these pigs trying to convince me that their ears are silken purses.  I prefer the real thing, thank you.

[8] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 7-21-2009 at 03:52 PM · [top]

...that it admit error and acknowledge that the self-satisfied edifice constructed around sex and gender has been grievously wrong.

Ms. Townsend is referring to the Roman Catholic Church, but it seems to me to refer accurately to TEC.  There are two diametrically opposed views of spiritual reality here, and it’s not hard for me to choose the one I prefer.

[9] Posted by Laura R. on 7-21-2009 at 04:59 PM · [top]

Catholic. Obama isn’t even Christian by his many non-christian actions. He doesn’t attend church anymore, and it really never mattered since even when he did attend and love Pastor Wright he couldn’t remember a thing he said, or so he says. He repeatedly voted to leave babies to die without medical attention, even though it was readily and immediately available. He loves the GLBT lobby and held a reception for their sexual perversion, but couldn’t find any time for the Right to Life or the one man-one woman events.
It’s an insult that he visits Christian leaders, but then he loves meaningless photo opportunities. They require no commitment and are therefore very acceptable.

[10] Posted by IBelieve on 7-21-2009 at 07:05 PM · [top]

Obama has been attending services at Camp David with some regularity.  It’s easier for security purposes, and there’s no chance of being photographed with a Jeremiah Wright type.

That being said, he is at least nominally UCC, and he seems to believe is something different from individual salvation, just like +KJS.

[11] Posted by elanor on 7-21-2009 at 09:16 PM · [top]

#7, you used the term “liberal democracy” when you must know that no such framework actual exists, unless you meant it in the same framework as the “Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea”, as we all know how THAT “liberal democracy” operates…

It suddenly struck me that TEC, Obamacare, North Korea and the button to send in your comments into “Stand Firm” all have the same message:

... Submit ...

Live free or die…

[12] Posted by Amazed&Graced; on 7-23-2009 at 06:56 AM · [top]

No, no, I don’t believe she or the President is Catholic, but rather Episcopalian. How else can you imply God’s word has to be negotiated, compromised, and reshaped by our own perceptions and culture?
You must not live according to the customs of the nations… I am the LORD your God, who has set you apart from the nations. Leviticus 20:23-24

[13] Posted by Festivus on 7-23-2009 at 07:25 AM · [top]

really it doesn’t matter what we (or I ) believe about obama’s faith or lack of it..the Bible reminds us that we will know a Christian by their fruit…his fruit is rotten..

[14] Posted by ewart-touzot on 7-23-2009 at 07:41 AM · [top]

Ms. Townsend’s musings on Catholic faith may be fruitfully contrasted with the words of G. K. Chesterton:

“Catholicism . . . is the only thing that talks as if it were the truth; as if it were a real messenger refusing to tamper with a real message.”

[15] Posted by Rick H. on 7-23-2009 at 05:14 PM · [top]

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