Tuesday, February 9, 2010

Welcome to Stand Firm!

Want to advertise on Stand Firm? Click here for rates and info

[RC] The Irish Times on the Four Archbishops & Their Actions

Saturday, November 28, 2009 • 4:34 pm


The Irish Times, in an article titled "Commission finds Church covered up child sex abuse" appears to be the only newspaper so far to detail what the four archbishops did.

So make sure you read the entire piece.

Again . . . how did four such sick sick **** get to be in charge, one after another, of the same entity?

Where individual Archbishops of Dublin were concerned it found that Archbishop John Charles McQuaid - who held office from 1940 to 1972 - did not apply canon law where such allegations were concerned, though he was familiar with its requirements.

His dealings with Fr Edmondus in 1960 “were aimed at the avoidance of scandal and showed no concern for the welfare of children.”

Archbishop Dermot Ryan - who held office from 1972 to 1984 - “failed to properly investigate complaints” against any of the six priests dealt with by the Commission from his period in office. “He also ignored the advice given by a psychiatrist in the case of another priest (Fr Henry Moore) that he had placed in a parish setting.” It found that Fr Moore was subsequently convicted of a serious assault on a young teenager while working as a parish curate.

Archbishop Ryan also seemed to have adopted “a deliberate policy” to ensure that knowledge of problems involving accused priests “was as restricted as possible.” This resulted “in a disastrous lack of co-ordination in responding to problems.”

Archbishop Kevin McNamara - who held office from 1984 to 1987 - restored to ministry a priest, Fr Bill Carney, despite his having pleaded guilty to charges of child sex abuse in 1983 and despite suspicions about him where “numerous” other children were concerned. Fr Carney has since been laicized.

Archbishop McNamara also appointed Fr Ivan Payne, also since laicized, as Vice-Officialis of the Marriage Tribunal in Dublin even though Archbishop Ryan had previously refused to do so.

It was Archbishop McNamara who was first to take out insurance against possible claims for child abuse. He did so in March 1987 and all Catholic dioceses on the island of Ireland followed suit, excepting one.

Cardinal Desmond Connell, who held office as Archbishop from 1988 to April 2004, “was slow to recognise the seriousness of the situation” on assuming office. He was “over-reliant” on the advice of other people. While “clearly appalled by the abuse” it took him some time “to realize that it could not be dealt with by keeping it secret and protecting priests from normal civil processes.”

He showed “little understanding of the overall plight of victims” some of whom found him “remote and aloof” and some “sympathetic and kind.” However, and “on the other hand he did take an active interest in their civil litigation against the Archdiocese and personally approved the defences which were filed by the Archdiocese.”

Liability for injury and damage “was never admitted.” His strategies in civil cases, “while legally acceptable, often added to the hurt and grief of complainants.”

Where auxiliary bishops of Dublin over the period were concerned, the commission found that those who “dealt particularly badly with complaints” were Bishop Dermot O’Mahony (retired) and Bishop James Kavanagh (deceased). It found Bishop Donal Murray (currently Bishop of Limerick ) “also dealt badly with a number of complaints.”

Bishop Murray’s failure to reinvestigate earlier suspicions against Fr Thomas Naughton “was inexcusable.”

It also said the recently retired Bishop of Ossory, Dr Laurence Forristal, “was the only bishop to unequivocally admit in evidence to the commision that he may not have handled matters satisfactorily.”

It found that “there was a disturbing failure to accept responsibility on the part of the bishops who gave evidence. There was a tendency to blame the Archbishop and/or the chancellor” of the archdiocese.

Comments:

Cricket, cricket.

[1] Posted by RMBruton on 11-28-2009 at 05:54 PM • top

Also note in same journal excellent opinion piece today:
Church relationship with Irish society has itself been abusive - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 28, 2009

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1128/1224259619182.html?via=mr

[2] Posted by Rocco on 11-28-2009 at 08:03 PM • top

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:31)

That apostolic succession shore is working, ain’t it?

[3] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 11-28-2009 at 08:37 PM • top

This is perhaps an off the wall question… but are there stories of equally horrendous widespread sexual abuse by clergy outside of the Irish/USA connection. Where I live at one time 70% of the RC clergy were FBI (Foreign Born Irish). It’s looking like the American problem was somehow culturally related to the Irish problem? Am I getting this picture wrong?

[4] Posted by A Senior Priest on 11-28-2009 at 11:51 PM • top

Sarah, what’s the point and purpose in putting all of this stuff on Stand Firm’s Site?

[5] Posted by Te Deum on 11-29-2009 at 06:36 AM • top

Utterly appalling, isn’t it, Sarah?  Millstones & necks.

[6] Posted by Lapinbizarre on 11-29-2009 at 06:38 AM • top

RE: “Sarah, what’s the point and purpose in putting all of this stuff on Stand Firm’s Site?”

The same point as our putting all the nasty TEC stuff on StandFirm’s site—only we do it much much much much more for TEC than any other denomination, because in the case of three of us at least we are in TEC.

On a related note, we have been very quick to post nasty things that have happened within conservative branches of Anglicanism, including the defrocking and church discipline of ministers within ACNA.

If something is wrong—really really wrong—within a branch of the Church we will most likely post it, and with regards to Rome, we have had quite a love-fest on StandFirm for Rome, in particular Pope Benedict’s recent actions, as well as their excellent work in social action and resistance to the pagan culture.

So no, we’re not going to shirk from posting stuff that is absolutely deadly to all of our witness as Christians either.  And no right-thinking Roman Catholic of integrity would have us do otherwise.

The Truth Shall Set You Free.

I really believe that.

[7] Posted by Sarah on 11-29-2009 at 07:33 AM • top

It’s looking like the American problem was somehow culturally related to the Irish problem? Am I getting this picture wrong? —Senior Priest

I’m not a sociologist, but I don’t think you are getting it wrong.  And I think I am in good company with this FWIW opinion.

[8] Posted by Rocco on 11-29-2009 at 09:41 AM • top

Senior Priest,
I have been wondering the same thing myself for some time.  I’ve tried looking around on the web to see if someone has noted any correlations - but have found nothing as of yet.

Similar but different - some Irish seem to have jumped countries.  Are there many cases of ministers/priests changing churches/denominations in order to escape past allegations?

[9] Posted by Pater, OSB on 11-29-2009 at 11:07 AM • top

I think Damian Thompson’s blog may explore that question in the coming days.

[10] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 11-29-2009 at 11:33 AM • top

Prophet Michiah,  If any one claims that the Apostolic Succession preserves against Bishops’ sinning they are lying.  And this is true from the earliest days.  Why else would Saint John Chrysostom write “the road to hell is paved with the skull of Bishops.”  And any Catholic is well aware of the personal sins of various Popes.

[11] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 11-29-2009 at 11:38 AM • top

Pater, OSB,
I know of at least three cases where priests changed jurisdictions, both were Continuers, to escape past allegations. One of these three styled himself an Archbishop and is currently a guest of the Penal System of the State of Arkansas for interfering with boys.

[12] Posted by RMBruton on 11-29-2009 at 12:18 PM • top

Sarah,
I thought I’d check what some of the Catholic (RC) news sites were, themselves saying about all this. The Wanderer had nothing at all, but the Catholic Register had two articles:http://www.catholicregister.org/content/view/3163/852/
http://www.catholicregister.org/content/view/3207/852/

[13] Posted by RMBruton on 11-29-2009 at 12:45 PM • top

I believe the above link is on reaction to the Ryan Report.  I hope you are able to find something more recent.

[14] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 11-29-2009 at 01:04 PM • top

Paula [or anybody who knows] . . . is the Catholic Register safe?

Or is it one of those liberal thingies like that Chittister person?

I want to post mostly the actual real orthodox RC commentary, not a bunch of liberals cackling and chattering in their own anti-Christian way [whether RC or Prot or no] . . .

???

[15] Posted by Sarah on 11-29-2009 at 07:47 PM • top

Paula, can you please give a textual citation for that Chrysostom quote?  Many thanks.

[16] Posted by Brize on 11-29-2009 at 08:31 PM • top

The Catholic Register is conservative. It’s the Catholic Reporter that’s liberal. It’s confusing. The Wanderer is generally extremely conservative.

[17] Posted by Nellie on 11-29-2009 at 09:29 PM • top

who was the cardinal in Boston who, instead of being defrocked, was transferred to staff at the Vatican?  Anything wrong w/ that picture?

[18] Posted by maineiac on 11-29-2009 at 09:37 PM • top

Brize [16]—Chrysostom didn’t actually say that, though he thought most clergy go to hell.  See:

Chrysostom on corrupt priests

[19] Posted by Rocco on 11-29-2009 at 09:56 PM • top

who was the cardinal in Boston who, instead of being defrocked, was transferred to staff at the Vatican?

Maineac - in your backyard, Bernard Francis Cardinal Law of Boston.  See:

Cardinal Law Given Post In Rome

“The appointment could be financially lucrative for Cardinal Law. His predecessor in the job, Cardinal Furno, received a 10,000 euro monthly stipend, or about $12,000” said the NYT.

[20] Posted by Rocco on 11-29-2009 at 10:14 PM • top

Nellie, are you RC?  So that you know the Register is okay?

I don’t want to be snookered by a liberal rag with an agenda to have gay and female clergy in Rome.  I want honest critique from real RCs.


Suspiciously,


Sarah

[21] Posted by Sarah on 11-30-2009 at 08:01 AM • top

A Church of Ireland priest is calling for an expulsion of the papal nuncio, Archbishop Leanzato.  “Canon Stephen Neill, son of the Church of Ireland Archbishop of Dublin the Most Rev John Neill, also called for there to be criminal investigations into all church and State officials named in the commission report.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1130/1224259709328.html

[22] Posted by Floridian on 11-30-2009 at 03:08 PM • top

Registered members are welcome to leave comments. Log in here, or register here.


Comment Policy: We pride ourselves on having some of the most open, honest debate anywhere about the crisis in our church. However, we do have a few rules that we enforce strictly. They are: No over-the-top profanity, no racial or ethnic slurs, and no threats real or implied of physical violence. Please see this post for more. Although we rarely do so, we reserve the right to remove or edit comments, as well as suspend users' accounts, solely at the discretion of site administrators. Since we try to err on the side of open debate, you may sometimes see comments that you believe strain the boundaries of our rules. Comments are the opinions of visitors, and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Stand Firm, its board of directors, or its site administrators.