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Upper South Carolina: More Seen & Heard Around the Walkabouts, This Time For Traditional Candidates

Wednesday, December 9, 2009 • 2:24 pm

Several weeks ago I offered a quick post about the "stark contrasts" between the progressive and traditional bishop candidates. I also gave rather short shrift to the traditional candidates with the Walkabout Notes thread, so I thought I'd post here today some of the comments and notes that were emailed to me from our Walkabout Secretaries, this time for the three traditional candidates. Perhaps it will be of interest even to those outside of Upper South Carolina . . . there are some helpful thoughts and insights, I think, even from some summary notes.
Several weeks ago I offered a quick post about the "stark contrasts" between the progressive and traditional bishop candidates. I also gave rather short shrift to the traditional candidates with the Walkabout Notes thread, so I thought I'd post here today some of the comments and notes that were emailed to me from our Walkabout Secretaries, this time for the three traditional candidates.

Perhaps it will be of interest even to those outside of Upper South Carolina . . . there are some helpful thoughts and insights, I think, even from some summary notes.

These are in no particular order, though I have clustered them by candidate.


Michell

Intro to group: “I do not bring a vision to you.” He has one, we have one and do they match? He has a passion for the Gospel, a focus on mission, wants to reduce diocesan assessments, work on congregational development and church planting, relates experience.

Q1 Common question how to educate and empower others to be leaders esp youth.

Ans: 2 parts Leadership vs growth in faith. “Leadership is influence” to “move people in ways they may not have moved on their own.” Prayer with leadership and for them, would like to have more workshops even in convocations.

Q4 Where will you cut the budget?

Ans: First need to prioritize based on strategic paln. Dio of Dallas 20% goes to planting.

He is very concerned about the decline of participation and membership in TEC. He says that it began in 1965 because the Episcopal Church has not been excited about the Gospel. We need to teach congregations to be passionate about the Gospel.
What is the central focus of his ministry? Leadership development and congregational development.

First missionary bishop to Dallas came from South Carolina . . .

Developed a course for new vicars and rectors . . . annual vestry and warden's conference, evangelism conference, stewardship conference, and rural conferences

Has recently hired a full-time Canon for Church Planting

New clergy -- five under age of 30, four more under age of 40

How to reduce trend in numbers decline. "Not been passionate enough about preaching the Gospel." Aim to to help churches grow. TEC has "bonzi theory of churches - keep them small & root bound." Strong diocese leads to strong chruches.

Lots of church planting. Said 20% of budget goes to church planting.

What have you done to develop staff and leadership? He differentiates between leadership and spiritual development - there are leaders who are not spiritual and there are spiritual people who are not leaders. Leadership is not a job title or description; It is influence - the ability to move one/people in a better direction than they are currently in, being transparent about their faith, the ability to pray with people because at that level, Christianity is better caught than taught.- Mentoring and coaching/using the book The Great Commission.

How to reunite parishes as his experience in Dallas. Describe your management style - When priests become bishops, not like a large church. He teaches by example - pastored people. Has been interim rector where the rector left and took the people with him. He gave permission to people to talk about issues. Has developed staff of the diocese. Has given people permission to fail and succeed. He will bring grace to love the clergy.Said he had seen the priests at their very best and their very worst - he's a realist. He understood holding things in tension - knew his guiding principles.

Experience w/ Parish growth - has been decon in charge, priest in charge and rector. From 15-55 people; from 115 - 155; planted a church; had 02 ASA to 275 - just bought 8 acres - he helps others understand how to lead a church to grow. Diocese of Dallas committed to plant churches - Korean, Spanish seminary, hispanic, etc.Has growth stats in all areas. He will learn by failure and success.

What is Episcopalian Evangelism? There is no need to be ashamed of evangelism. Philip said "Come and See - at best, we invite people to experience risen Christ among us. Term is not an oxymoron. He does not want to BE a bishop. He wants to DO bishop. TEC has lost 60,000 people in two years. "Good news is worth sharing"

-passion for the gospel
-would reduce assessments
-real experience in parish development/renewal/planting

Q. How would you management style differ as a bishop than as a priest?
A. One main difference is that some priests that become bishops, treat the diocese as a large parish, bu it is not.

In response to the general question about leadership and spiritual direction asked of all candidates, he talked about the necessity of having good leadership skills, and being spiritually grounded in the Christian faith to exercise servant leadership within a diocese.

In response to a question about Episcopal Evangelicalism, he quoted Mark Twain’s response to the question “Do you believe in infant baptism? Believe in it! I’ve actually seen it!. Episcopal evangelism is the embodiment of invitation: “Come see! Come experience the risen Christ!

Michell: develops leaders and congregations. Mission orientated. Relational, especially with clergy.

Nouwen principle: Movement from solitude, to community, to ministry -- to know that we are beloved

Question on books and writing: Three books in my computer -- 1) leadership for people in ministry, 2) core values in Anglicanism -- Celtic missionary expansion -- missional & catholic and 3) confirmation

Jesus as the only way to the Father -- we have the testimony of the early Church, the testimony of the Apostles, we are inheritors of their teaching, it is what caused the church to grow until it infiltrated even Caesar's palace, the gospel changes lives

Diocese of Dallas started a Spanish-speaking seminary

Presently teach Anglican History at School for Ministry in Dallas
More deacons are needed; would like to see one in each church

When asked about his top three priorities, Fr. Michell began with “developing community” by visiting and listening, next mentioned using congregational and leadership development to focus on congregations as the primary reason the diocese exists, and concluded with helping to shift budget priorities to move more resources to the congregations. In his closing remarks, Fr. Michell quoted someone who had contrasted the person who wants to be president with the one who wants to do the job of president. Said Fr. Michell, “I don’t want to be your bishop.” He detailed the shrinking of TEC membership, likening the shrinkage to the loss of several dioceses across the Southeast, then said he would not be a bishop “who would simply bless this decline.” He’s committed to mission, ministry, and growth of EDUSC.


Burwell

Q1 Common question on building leadership.

Ans: “bottom up Principle” empower people to know the Bible, the BCP, the Lord. Describes typical staff meetings and use of Bible study in staff meetings as well as 30 min of prayer

Q3 What about small mission churches?

Ans: They all can grow. First remember what our purpose is. The church exists for those who are not yet members. Accept people where they are. It is about relationships not religion.

Goals: Driving desire to build up churches, reverse declining trends, raise up Episcopalians, lessen financial burdens, develop world class leadership -- some say future is shared scarcity, I say different.

He opened his presentation with a prayer and he closed with prayer.
He spoke without any notes. He replied to the question of how to get or instill leadership and faith by saying that he meets with his 27 member staff weekly in bible study and prayer. In 1997 he insisted on hiring a youth minister. At that time they had only 6 teens. Now they have 250 teens and 3 youth ministers.

1. Prayer and bible study - beautiful opening prayer - praying is wonderful.

How have you developed staff. Staff meeting every Tuesday. Bible study on lectionalry - then agenda -then 30 minutes of prayer - prayer fuels Church of the Holy Cross. In 1997 had six teenagers, now has 350.
He believes in bottom up ministry, not top down.

2. Numbers - from 75 members to 1800. 350 new members on Daniel Island..started at zero! experience Much i church plants and parish development.

3. Growth - his 7 principles to increase attendance - church exists for those who are not Christians - Holy Spirit will do with him - get him in church - god will take people wherever they are - get them in .- all in God's timetable. Relationally . We would be welcoming - going out to welcome.

Example of parish in Darlington -- average age was 60, wanted to lower that, noticed that everybody in community played softball -- went to grill out at softball games -- added 15 families

Some still stuck back in the 60s when everybody went to church -- we don't have to die out -- God has not called TEC to die out

4. Definition of Episcopalian Evangelist - good news of Jesus Christ. Bring a light to the nations. All are in need of a Savior. Evangalism is sharing where the bread is.

Closing - Excited by the Diocese of USC. Wants to grow DUSC. Feels it is dynamic. Went in to a parish where the junior and senior warden were suing each, and HE STAYED. Situation of conflict where he dealt w/ it.

Q2: What experience do you have with parish growth, church planting, and parish leadership development? Please share examples.
Cited growth at Holy Cross from 75 to 1800
Second location church on Daniel Island
Wrote leadership development manual for the Diocese of South Carolina
Taught leadership in many dioceses

Q3: What programs or procedures would you use to increase church attendance?
7 Basic Premises used at Holy Cross:
The church exists for those who are not yet members
The church accepts you wherever you are on your faith journey
Relationships: people want relationships, not religion
Outward focus vs. inward focus

Would like to use 30 years of experience to work with the EDUSC
Opportunity to work with 60+ congregations, to help them grow


Stockton Williams

Core belief- God is at the center, loves us, came to Earth to be born and to die, He is here constantly working in your life, make it known, His name is Jesus.

Common Q1 What have you done to develop leadership esp youth.

Ans: Look to past performance, identify the quiet types , talked about his love of youth, his all time favorite job is working with “Happening.” He believes that Bible study and discerning peoples gifts are both needed to develop leaders.

Opened with statement of core beliefs. God is at the heart of the universe. God aches for us to respond to his love as he loves us. He is in our lives right now and His name is Exalted.
Then he said a short prayer.

In response to the leadership question he spoke of spiritual gift inventories. That is, trying to help individuals understand what their gifts are and encourage them to respond and develop them. Supports Happening and finds it a good way to get young leaders. He is on the National board for Happening. He also supports Alpha, EFM, and several other programs. Says that it is dealing with spiritual issues, not just an administrative thing.

Leadershhip is key. Modelled on Christ. Want leaders with the mind of Christ.

On church planting said we tend to worry about facility first then people. Needs to be other way around.

Experienced in leading growth in his parishes. Evangelicalism – “one beggar showing another where the bread is”.

Williams: Good match to EDUSC profile, vision.

Q1: What have you done to develop and strengthen Christian faith among staff, laity, and youth; how have you identified, educated and empowered these people for ministry?
Leadership is key; watch for the “quiet” ones
Diocesan Spiritual Director for Happening, on national Happening Board
Discovery Weekends, Alpha, EFM
People formed in the heart and mind of Christ

Q5: List your priorities if you were bishop. Would you use Bishop Payne’s book?
Listen and learn
Start with the top 3 priorities on the diocesan profile: youth, intergenerational relations, growth
Likes Payne’s book

CS Lewis: we come to God through the cross -- cannot come saying what you have done -- a part of us nationally are drifting towards Unitarian faith rather than robust Trinitarianism

Question about diocese and parishes relationship: There are things we can do better as groups -- camps and conferences, Happening, pensions and insurance, social services [example of this in San Antonio]

He opened by declaring his “core beliefs” with emphasis on God’s love, His aching to be in a relationship with us, and his unbroken presence in our lives. One of his questions was submitted by my wife, who asked him to comment on the statement that “some of the Old Testament are just plain bloody books.” Fr. W’s reply: “I disagree.” He went on to say that “they’re sacred books, divinely inspired. God still speaks to us today through the Old Testament.” He concluded by saying, “Because it’s difficult doesn’t mean I jettison the Old Testament.”

Comments:

One phrase rang out from all these posts:  PASSION FOR THE GOSPEL!  Love it!  If Mitchell truly has it, keeps it, lives it and promotes it, that’s the way a true church should go!

[1] Posted by Goughdonna on 12-09-2009 at 03:40 PM • top

I’m on the Happening National Committee with Stockton. He is an incredible leader, full of God’s Spirit….KNOWS JESUS!!!!  He’s the type of person you just love to be around.  Fully supports Youth Ministry and programs for renewal in youth.

[2] Posted by goonole on 12-09-2009 at 03:56 PM • top

Bless em all!

[3] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 12-09-2009 at 04:12 PM • top

EFM?  EFM is not exactly an incubator of orthodox Christianity. In fact, quite the opposite.

[4] Posted by Ralinda on 12-09-2009 at 04:14 PM • top

EFM is a horrible program, just awful. Unless he significantly modified it, I would not vote for any candidate who boasts of using it as a tool to build up believers.

[5] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 12-09-2009 at 04:55 PM • top

EFM is garbage. I wouldn’t allow my parishioners to participate in it when in TEO.

[6] Posted by JerryKramer on 12-09-2009 at 05:42 PM • top

OK, I’m in the dark. What’s EFM?

[7] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 12-09-2009 at 05:55 PM • top

For Br’er Rabbit #7:
EFM is Education for Ministry http://www.sewanee.edu/EFM/index.htm out of Sewannee

I did a year and knew it would lead me far, far astray…..

[8] Posted by Kate Stirk on 12-09-2009 at 06:24 PM • top

They don’t call EfM indoctrination camp for nothing.

[9] Posted by gaanglican on 12-09-2009 at 06:41 PM • top

Thanks, Kate. I took a look at the site. Not promising. Looks a trifle postmodern.

[10] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 12-09-2009 at 06:44 PM • top

The new bishop will be fortunate to inherit this diocese. From 2002 through 2008 it lost about 4 percent of Members and 9 percent of ASA and Plate & Pledge increased about 5 percent below inflation. For 95 dioceses considered I would rank it in the upper 15 percent. And the future is also good. In 2008, there were 52 percent (31 of 61) with Plate & Pledge below $150 thousand. This means that there is about one large church to assist each small church. I don’t buy the “spin” that small churches can ALL grow but the help of many large churches is certainly good news. And the diocese is quite youngish with 410 Infant Baptisms and 261 Burials in 2008. The diocese has every right to expect a good new leader. Statmann

[11] Posted by Statmann on 12-09-2009 at 06:45 PM • top

A Priest should not let EFM get within a mile of his parish.

[12] Posted by Going Home on 12-09-2009 at 07:33 PM • top

Statmann,
It is not “spin” that any congregation can grow, as long as there are people within the area of the congregation beyond the members themselves.  Don’t confuse the evidence of past and current failure with Kingdom inability, nor difficulty with impossibility.

[13] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 12-10-2009 at 02:19 AM • top

Of course, people in UPSC have been praying. 
It is time for the rest of us to be praying, specifically that someone gets elected who more than adequately fulfills the demands of the episcopate ordinal as found in the BCP.  For me, that means praying that one of these three that Sarah highlights in this post gets elected.

[14] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 12-10-2009 at 03:10 AM • top

Great post, Sarah.  Will continue to be praying.  Can you remind us all when the election takes place?!  I’m very out of the Anglican news loop these days, I fear.

One challenge for you orthodox in DUSC will be to unify behind one candidate.  If the liberals unify behind one candidate and the orthodox split their votes among the three more orthodox candidates, that would spell big trouble.  I hope and pray there is a lot of behind the scenes caucusing and strategizing, and of course praying going on among orthodox delegates as to which of these three candidates you can unite behind!

[15] Posted by Karen B. on 12-10-2009 at 08:53 AM • top

EFM—isn’t that “Education For Manipulation”?

[16] Posted by Passing By on 12-10-2009 at 10:12 AM • top

I’m an EFM survivor, and I can say it did two good things for me- it caused me to start taking courses from TSM, and has provided countless antithesis statements for my essays.

[17] Posted by Payton on 12-10-2009 at 11:58 AM • top

Having served as a layperson and vestry person under Canon Michell and now as a candidate for ordination under his guidance I can attest that the summary of his comments above truly represents what he believes. Canon Michell is the real deal. He loves the Lord, knows how to identify and develop leaders and especially critical in a church that is openly bleeding members he can mentor and teach others how to do the same keeping a vision set which is centered on Christ and unabashedly missional. Simply having him as Bishop would attract the type of clergy who would already be disposed to implementing a course of growth, mission and renewal. Of course I’m biased, but he stands heads above the rest of the pack. We do not want to lose him here in Dallas, but he is of the caliber of person who as Bishop could make a huge difference in the DOUSC. Our loss, your gain, for the Kingdom.

[18] Posted by solideogloria on 12-10-2009 at 02:55 PM • top

Solideogloria:  Thank you for those remarks.  I felt an immediate personal liking for Neal Michelle.  I think that he is the “real deal”, and will do just what he promises. There was no equivocation of dissimulation on any question in my group during the walkabout.  Comparing his qualifications and record with what the diocesan survey showed, I believe him to be head and shoulders above the other five.

[19] Posted by Charles III on 12-10-2009 at 08:49 PM • top

Congratulations to USC for getting Neal Michelle into the finals.  He was my favorite in SW Florida three years ago but the committee cut him in the final cut along with other openly orthodox candidates…I will pray hard that an orthodox candidate is elected in USC and that USC will work tirelessly to gain the confirmations necessary to allow consecration of their elected person.  Frankly I doubt an orthopdox candidate will be confirmed.  Then again perhaps one could be confirmed as a trade off for confirmations on the new L.A. election.  That is how this game is played.

[20] Posted by aacswfl1 on 12-11-2009 at 07:35 AM • top

Wow. Somewhat impressed that so many orthodox candidates made it in the gate (more on that below). One thing that struck me was the conciliatory note with TEC. I hope there are more contributions that can explain why this is a good thing. Whenever I hear or read this, John 15:5 comes to mind. I always ask, as a former Episcopalian, where exactly is TEC abiding in the Lord and where the fruit is evident? If I were looking for am Orthodox Bishop and I was in TEC, I think I’d like to hear some relation to epistles of 2 John, 3 John, or James.

And lastly, I do hope that the orthodox laity,priests, and candidates can support one person for Bishop. I have a feeling that the other side has “a candidate” in mind, and I’d hate to see this be a one round vote for all you orthodox in DOUSC. So much potential here for reaching the lost.

[21] Posted by Festivus on 12-11-2009 at 07:56 AM • top

Will be keeping you all in prayer tomorrow.  Will someone be live-blogging the results?

[22] Posted by Village vicar on 12-11-2009 at 09:09 AM • top

Going back to EFM, you cannot attribute an endorsement of EFM to a simple mistake.  The orthodox Priests I knew in TEC were wise to EFM, strongly advised against participation, finding alternative lay education programs.

[23] Posted by Going Home on 12-11-2009 at 09:42 AM • top

Agreed re EFM but I wish others would see the ‘79 BCP in the same light.  Orthodox priests I know and trust are wise to it also, strongly advise against participation and use alternative prayer and liturgy sources.

It really gets down to these theological understandings of the wrong turns the PECUSA has taken for the last scores of years… But when you are left with a remnant of a remnant still trying to uphold classical Anglicanism you are left choosing the least inconsistent or most “electable” candidate.

I pray the Diocese can find a Godly man who can not only “hold the fort” but perhaps turn things around.

[24] Posted by Traditioner on 12-11-2009 at 10:04 AM • top

Re #22: Based on a quick reading of the FAQs at the Diocesan website, electronic devices aren’t allowed on the floor during the convention. It doesn’t mention media, however, so there might some specific provision for them. I guess we’ll just have to keep an eye on the Diocese’s website.

[25] Posted by JoshuaB on 12-11-2009 at 11:49 AM • top

EFM was used in my former diocese to show that one is not a fundmetalist or as an antidote to “fundamentalism.” It was a requirement for ordination as a deacon.

[26] Posted by Pb on 12-11-2009 at 01:02 PM • top

Waldo’s almost elected on 2nd ballot. See http://www.edusc.org

[27] Posted by gaanglican on 12-12-2009 at 01:59 PM • top

Analysis here:
http://northernplainsanglicans.blogspot.com/2009/12/picture-of-departure-of-traditional.html
Absence of traditional Christians is now local, not just a GenCon thing.

[28] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 12-12-2009 at 02:27 PM • top

Waldo just won DUSC.

[29] Posted by advocate on 12-12-2009 at 02:31 PM • top

In a sermon preached on January 15, 2006, he states: “Jesus is indeed my way, my truth and my life and is my way to the Father.”

This is, of course, what the Presiding Bishop says as well—“my way” and “my truth” but not “the way” and “the truth.” This seeming unwillingness to assert the truth of John 14:6 is notable and unfortunate.

Andrew Waldo is not a centrist—he is a revisionist in regards to Holy Scripture’s claims about the uniqueness, centrality, and exclusivity of Christ as the only way of salvation.

DUSC will no longer be led by a Christian.

[30] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 12-12-2009 at 02:41 PM • top

I am sure that the current administration of the DUSC exercised no “filter” on incoming clergy - and with most Episcopal Seminaries indoctrinating their students in revisionist theology, that means that most of the clergy are revisionist in their fundamental assumptions, even it they happen to be relatively conservative in their liturgy and ordinary conversation, so that the laity of a relatively conservative area would find them acceptable - and little by little be steeped in revisionist assumptions themselves.

It will be very hard for an orthodox diocese to remain orthodox - and no “moderate” or revisionist diocese will become orthodox, apart from a Red Sea class miracle, for which we should devoutly hope.  Humanly speaking, however, orthodoxy is sunk.

[31] Posted by AnglicanXn on 12-12-2009 at 03:20 PM • top

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