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March 28, 2010


DioSC: St. Andrews Mt. Pleasant Votes to Leave TEC

St. Andrew’s in Mt. Pleasant, the largest parish in the Diocese of South Carolina, just completed its vote on whether to leave the Episcopal Church and the Diocese of South Carolina. Rector Steve Wood writes on his blog:

This morning at 7.15 am the Vestry of St. Andrew’s Church ~ Mt. Pleasant met and unanimously passed the following resolution:

RESOLVED that the resolution unanimously adopted by the Vestry on March 28, 2010 for this church corporation, parish, and congregation to withdraw from and sever all ties with The Episcopal Church in the United States and to transfer its canonical residence to the Anglican Church in North America or another province of the worldwide Anglican Communion be ratified by the members of this church corporation.

The Parish then met in a Special Meeting at 12.15 pm for the purpose of ratifying and concurring with this decision of the Vestry to withdraw from The Episcopal Church.

The preliminary vote results will be posted at the receptionist’s desk in the lobby of the Ministry Center by 2.00 pm, Monday, 29 March 2010.  The certified results will be posted at the same location by 3.00 pm, 2 April 2010,  for a period of one week.

I will offer a bit of commentary tomorrow once the preliminary vote results are made known.

St. Andrew’s is taking extensive measures to ensure the validity of the process. Wood adds:

Due to the nature of the process we are undertaking it is necessary that certain objective standards/criteria are met.  So, for instance, the parish mailing we did two weeks ago was printed, assembled and mailed (with day/time stamp photo accompaniment) by an outside mailing house.  Similarly today we have secured a professional parliamentarian to preside at our parish meeting, and, we have secured an accounting firm to distribute, collect and validate each ballot cast.


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Sad, but unsurprising news.  I hope that parish will be very happy in ACNA.

Hip hip hooray for the Bishop of South Carolina too!

[1] Posted by Sarah on 3-28-2010 at 01:09 PM · [top]

A great parish, and a great diocese.  God bless them both.

[2] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 3-28-2010 at 01:26 PM · [top]

Is this parish Mark Lawrence’s responsibility?  If yes, does this increase his vulnerability to the wrath of BeerKat et alia? 

KTF!...mrb

[3] Posted by Mike Bertaut on 3-28-2010 at 01:31 PM · [top]

I can’t seem to get TEC’s laughably-named “Growth and Development” page to come up right now.  What is membership and ASA at St. Andrew’s?

[4] Posted by Jeffersonian on 3-28-2010 at 01:39 PM · [top]

Jeffersonian,

I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but if I recall correctly, on Easter Sunday 2009, St. Andrew’s had the highest attendance of any Episcopal church in the country, with appr. 6,000 people passing through its doors over the course of multiple services.

For the letter that was sent to parishioners two weeks ago, 2,000 copies were printed and mailed.

[5] Posted by Greg Griffith on 3-28-2010 at 02:04 PM · [top]

I can’t blame them for leaving.  I only pray that this doesn’t result in new difficulties for our bishop and the diocese as a whole from 815.

[6] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 3-28-2010 at 02:06 PM · [top]

However, I’m afraid it will cause difficulties down the road.

[7] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 3-28-2010 at 02:08 PM · [top]

Hey Jeffersonian, ASA has been fairly steadily rising and 2008’s was around 1500 ASA.

[8] Posted by Sarah on 3-28-2010 at 02:09 PM · [top]

Plus Steve+ says “there are about 400-500 non-members, waiting to join til its ACNA”.

Something super strange here, all was well at convention,
don’t know what brought this on.  ??

Hopefully, something is afoot.. Watch Myrtle Beach (Trinity) and the other “non-TEC” churches.

Grannie Gloria

[9] Posted by Grandmother on 3-28-2010 at 02:16 PM · [top]

This is not surprising. However this will be just the thing so that KJS+ can now proceed with faux *abandonment of communion charges* against Bishop Lawrence.  Even though, the Supreme Court ruled and we have the precedent of All Saints as to how to handle a parish leaving,  KJS + and TEC do not recognize the SC Supreme Court’s authority… only its own. They do what they will when they will. How is that for leadership???

[10] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 3-28-2010 at 02:17 PM · [top]

And neither, I would guess, do they recognize the authority of SCOTUS.

[11] Posted by Cennydd on 3-28-2010 at 02:25 PM · [top]

To the remarks of number 10 I would add, they seem to make up the rules as they go along.  The PB does act as judge and jury, seemingly.

[12] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 3-28-2010 at 02:31 PM · [top]

RE: “Something super strange here, all was well at convention, don’t know what brought this on.”

I’m confused by this.  They’ve been on the record for months that they were leaving.

Why is this strange or surprising?

As nearly as I can see they fall into the group of TECans who do not wish to be a part of a corrupt and heretical denomination like TEC, even if their own parish and diocese are not.

I understand that.  I’m not in that group but I do see why some are impelled to leave for those reasons.

[13] Posted by Sarah on 3-28-2010 at 02:57 PM · [top]

Yep,  I agree with #11. I could write something totally sarcastic now but I will refrain.

[14] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 3-28-2010 at 03:02 PM · [top]

#9 - I agree with Sarah, GG, and am not sure what yo mean about this being a surprise?  I’d like to think St. Andrew’s participation at the convention, etc., was it’s last effort at taking the DioSC’s pulse on whether they would be leaving as a diocese and probably to show that they emotionally support DioSC even if they cannot support their third way path of being in the TEC.  GG, you were a commentor on Steve Wood’s blog on his opinion of the “third way” concept that came out earlier this month.  I thought he was being very clear that he would not be leading his parish to support DioSC/Bishop Lawrence’s stance on that.  Did you get a different take?  I’m not arguing in any way - just asking specifically what surprised you and why?

[15] Posted by Tami on 3-28-2010 at 03:12 PM · [top]

Kudos and God bless Bp. Lawrence and the Diocese of South Carolina for their courageous stand at convention. 

The same and Godspeed for St. Andrews parish—I completely understand.

[16] Posted by Anti-Harridan on 3-28-2010 at 03:12 PM · [top]

Stand up, stand up for Jesus, ye soldiers of St. Andrews!

[17] Posted by Exiled in Babylon on 3-28-2010 at 03:38 PM · [top]

My sentiments with 5, 6.. BUT although I agree entirely with their actions, I am afraid it is to me rather bad timing with KJS on the warpath. and +Lawrence in the position he is in, it can only acerbate the situation. Pity that somehow they didn’t exercised a little restraint (so common in TEC (sic)) by thinking of others in the process. Still, Holy Spirit guide and Bless them.
Brian+

[18] Posted by Brian on 3-28-2010 at 04:10 PM · [top]

[comment deleted, commenter banned]

[19] Posted by Steven in Falls Church on 3-28-2010 at 04:19 PM · [top]

And ban in 5. . .4..  .3. . .2. . .

[20] Posted by paradoxymoron on 3-28-2010 at 04:47 PM · [top]

Lawrence is following the path he has chosen just as St Andrews is.  Any consequences of any decisions will play out in due time. And I have a sneaky suspicion that what has been unfolded at SC convention and today might just be God’s will for both St. Andrews and the diocese.

All is well.

[21] Posted by Spencer on 3-28-2010 at 05:07 PM · [top]

Re: Hiring the professional mailing house and tabulator - we did the same for our vote, which ended up to leave TEC.  May THAT St. Andrews be as blessed as OUR St. Andrews!

[22] Posted by Goughdonna on 3-28-2010 at 05:31 PM · [top]

I pray that the negative consequences for DioSC will be minimized, and this split will be undertaken without hard feelings between Bishop Lawrence and Rev. Wood, who are both faithful ministers of God trying to do their best in a very bad situation.

[23] Posted by AndrewA on 3-28-2010 at 07:00 PM · [top]

Thank you Greg and Sarah (5 and 8, respectively). 

I’m sorry to see +Lawrence lose a parish like that, but doubtless St. Andrew’s can see the writing on the wall.  +Mark is a superb Bishop, but he’s the absolute last of his stripe that will be allowed into DioSC, and probably all of TEC.  I hope he makes it as easy on them as humanly possible.

[24] Posted by Jeffersonian on 3-28-2010 at 08:28 PM · [top]

I imagine that members of St. Andrews in Mount Pleasant are tired of the cat and mouse game that the Presiding Bishop is trying to play with Bishop Lawrence and their parish. It seems to me that Bishop Lawrence realizes how detrimental this is to his Diocese and the whole Church and I am glad that he has decided to call for clarity.

Although Bishop Schori’s claim that she, as Presiding Bishop, has the Authority which has traditionally been reserved for Scripture in the Episcopal Church, may at first glance seem to be reasonable, eventually her reasoning will prove to be fallible, so I am glad to see that Bishop Lawrence is up to the task of defending the Christian faith as it is portrayed in Scripture.

[25] Posted by Betty See on 3-28-2010 at 10:23 PM · [top]

Presumably if the big parishes get out quickly there will be less and less at stake to motivate TEC to take drastic action and chase the small parishes.  And TEC has few creative solutions if they replace Lawrence, an action that would spur even more parishes to leave.

[26] Posted by Michael D on 3-28-2010 at 11:14 PM · [top]

#4 Jeffersonian - The “Growth and Development” page at TEC’s website has been down for weeks now. At first, I thought it was a normal timeout error. Now I’m starting to think that they’ve pulled it offline entirely.

The page (and the statistics provided by it) have been used heavily, especially as Kendall Harmon had been profiling one declining diocese a week and linking to the page.

[27] Posted by Jeff Walton on 3-29-2010 at 09:43 AM · [top]

Sounds like sombody just made the call bet in a Hold’em poker game!

[28] Posted by aacswfl1 on 3-29-2010 at 09:54 AM · [top]

Hey folks, they just moved the page, is all:
http://ecusa.anglican.org/109378_107383_ENG_HTM.htm

[29] Posted by Sarah on 3-29-2010 at 10:02 AM · [top]

Thanks, Sarah!

[30] Posted by Jeff Walton on 3-29-2010 at 10:22 AM · [top]

Even the slimmest hint that Bishop Lawrence is allowing St. Andrews to leave -property intact- will be all it takes for the wrath of 815 to settle on this diocese like we have seen before.  I fear the worst will be upon us shortly.

[31] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 3-29-2010 at 10:28 AM · [top]

I think you may be right, SCBCL, but then again, Schori knows that the vast majority of the individual parishes in DioSC can scarcely bear the sight of her and her merry band of apostates.  She also knows that the only thing keeping them in TEC is their excellent Bishop, who has managed to shield them thus far from the heresies of the rest of the organization.  Lower the boom on +Lawrence, and the drip of St. Andrews becomes a stream of parishes (and lawsuits).  I’m not sure TEC can handle all that right now.

[32] Posted by Jeffersonian on 3-29-2010 at 12:41 PM · [top]

I hear that the Anglicans in America have sought membership with the Catholic Church. I do not understand this desire, since the Catholics; for obvious reasons, are the last ones to look to for moral perfectness as well as the finacial burden litigation has placed upon its purse already.The joke of their homosexuals or our homosexuals just wont due since it is a situation of many differing sexual orientations. And being an adult who is homosexual I do not find it the least bit funny when jerks attempt to liken pedophilia with Homosexuals. Anyhow bold move in troubled times May the light of Christ show you the most excellent way as you cut a new path.

[33] Posted by Calhoun on 4-1-2010 at 10:28 AM · [top]

SCBCL and Jeffersonian, it’s a “given” that +Mark Lawrence and the people of his diocese are squarely in Mrs Schori’s sights, and she’s itching for an excuse to pull the trigger.  Lowering the boom on +Mark could prove to be financially disastrous for her and her so-called “Church,” since recent court decisions have not gone their way in South Carolina.

[34] Posted by Cennydd on 4-1-2010 at 10:58 AM · [top]

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