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August 13, 2010

Matthew Fox, Episcopal Priest:  Cosmic Techno Mass

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“Jesus wept.” 

I believe that famously brief verse perhaps applies here.  The depravity, for such it is no matter how well-intentioned, knows no bounds.

[1] Posted by Dalton on 8-13-2010 at 09:19 PM · [top]

What pagan hell is this?!
In fact, honest paganism would be an improvement.

[2] Posted by Andrewesman on 8-13-2010 at 09:49 PM · [top]

One more good reason why I’m so glad that I left TEC.

[3] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-13-2010 at 10:00 PM · [top]

I’m sorry, I’m so confused, where are all the young college kids? Everyone seemed my age and older. What happened to wisdom coming with age and maturity? No wonder so many young people don’t want to be Christian, when their elders are still trying to be cool or high or whatever. Same with the Catholic puppets. I counted a total of three under 25s in the puppet extravaganza.

[4] Posted by Anne Kennedy on 8-13-2010 at 10:05 PM · [top]

What a load of total trash

[5] Posted by texaspiper on 8-13-2010 at 10:14 PM · [top]

Wow - it’s like a disco at a retirement community.

“Oh, I’ve put my hip out…”

[6] Posted by driver8 on 8-13-2010 at 10:28 PM · [top]

It needs clowns.

[7] Posted by Jim the Puritan on 8-13-2010 at 10:40 PM · [top]

For your ... ummm ... edification.  University of Creation Spirituality


[8] Posted by carl on 8-13-2010 at 10:53 PM · [top]

So in eating this bread and drinking this drink, let us call on the glory of the divine, the goddess immanent in all things, the Buddha nature, the Cosmic Christ

Matthew Fox, Theologian

What passes for the Words of Institution in the Cosmic Techno Mass.


[9] Posted by carl on 8-13-2010 at 10:57 PM · [top]

This is alarmingly similar to the ancient pagan practices of simply adding the names of any newly discovered deities to the already existing list, and naming off all of them in the hope that at least one produces the desired effect. 
Mr. Fox is clearly not familiar (or not particularly concerned with) the holy scriptures.  “I am the way, the truth, and the life.”  Not ‘a’ way, truth, or life.  Does the man consider himself a Christian, I wonder?

[10] Posted by Dalton on 8-13-2010 at 11:02 PM · [top]

I once attended a church where one of the ministers was a huge Matthew Fox fan—his favorite theologian.  Thankfully, neither of us or still there!

On the plus side, Via Positiva and Via Transformativa look like they’d be really good cardio workouts!

[11] Posted by Drew on 8-13-2010 at 11:03 PM · [top]

Someone please be kind enough to send this off to the All Africa Bishops meeting- as a gift from their brethren in TEC.

By the way, how many of the participants in this little musical comedy are on the Standing Committee of the ACC?

[12] Posted by tjmcmahon on 8-13-2010 at 11:32 PM · [top]

The music sounds like Tainted Love.

[13] Posted by martin5 on 8-13-2010 at 11:39 PM · [top]

#13 You’re right, it does!

“...I’m sorry, I don’t pray that way!”

[14] Posted by Drew on 8-13-2010 at 11:57 PM · [top]

Whatever happened to “be still and know that I am God” ?

[15] Posted by Warren7 on 8-14-2010 at 12:12 AM · [top]

I can’t bare to look.  :(

[16] Posted by Jill C. on 8-14-2010 at 12:30 AM · [top]

Well, I surprised myself.  I was actually able to watch almost 4 minutes of the clip.  This is just sick!

[17] Posted by Donal Clair on 8-14-2010 at 02:59 AM · [top]

Made the awful mistake of watching this utterly disgusting mess after reading that the political leader of our wonderful country “forcefully approves” of the Ground Zero Mosque.  Combined together, these two incidents have made me see that I awoke early this a.m. to more than a bit of hell on earth.  Are you sure I’m not experiencing a terrible nightmare?!?  Knew I shouldn’t have had that cheese enchilada so late into the evening!

Mr. Fox just can’t let go of the Haight Ashbury mumbo jumbo that took up permanent residence in the area so many years ago.  The mess, er mass, no, it’s a mess, looks like something straight out of the Summer of Love.  Fox is a spiritualist, NOT a theologian…

[18] Posted by Athanasius Returns on 8-14-2010 at 04:05 AM · [top]

Carl # 7:  I briefly reviewed the link you provided for Fox’s University of Creation Spirituality, and in particular, Fox’s “95 Theses.”  I noted the following at Thesis 36:  “36 Dancing, whose root meaning in many indigenous cultures is the same as breath or spirit, is a very ancient and appropriate form in which to pray.”  Although Fox does not provide scriptural support for his theses, I have reflected on #36 for a moment to determine for myself whether I believe the thesis to be true (apologies for such an existential process of evaluation - not sure what else to do without any scripture).  I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy that dancing is prayer.  I come from an ethnic group which is not particularly well known for our dancing, and if dancing truly is prayer, I fear my prayer life will never be rich.  But as long as we are free to make this stuff up, I propose that the highest form of prayer is sipping a nice glass of single malt scotch (a Highland, if you please), while relaxing in a leather recliner, watching late night college football.  Yes, that must be prayer.  And I am grateful that the season of prayer is almost upon us.  Amen.

[19] Posted by BAMAnglican on 8-14-2010 at 06:37 AM · [top]

I’ve always felt most of the damage inflicted on the Episcopal Church has come from converts like Fox.

This is pretty much just a reworking of:

The pillars came down at the end of this “rave”.  And they will come down for these folks as well.

[20] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 8-14-2010 at 08:22 AM · [top]

The Kabbalah?  The Goddess?
Legitimate themes for Christian worship?

These folks who despise the old, traditional forms of worship are spinning themselves back to the time when my ancestors were painting themselves blue and worshiping bushes and rocks.  The only difference is flashing lights and BAD techno music.

[21] Posted by GillianC on 8-14-2010 at 09:21 AM · [top]

Of course, at the end of the vid we have the obligatory commentary by a pastrix. Of course.

[22] Posted by wyclif on 8-14-2010 at 09:45 AM · [top]

I’m fine with new forms of worship, but why are they sampling an old Human League track and alleging it’s “new”? The people they interview are ancient doddering sixties types. Nothing actually contemporary in any of this.

[23] Posted by A Senior Priest on 8-14-2010 at 09:48 AM · [top]

Where is the criticsm of this by so called leaders in the church? To do so would go against the gospel of indiscriminate inclusivity.

[24] Posted by Pb on 8-14-2010 at 10:09 AM · [top]

Now Pb, you know that the leaders of TEC have no grounds to prohibit this so-called techno mass. It fully conforms with interfaith techno liturgy, as provided by the U2charist resolution at GC06 and the Baptismal Covenant (Thew Forrester edition). If it were Anglo Catholic, Evangelical or other form of orthodox Christian worship, you can be sure they would be inhibiting the priests and removing the vestry for violations of whatever rule the PB made up to inhibit them with.

Now, what message did they get when the DJ was playing the record backwards?

[25] Posted by tjmcmahon on 8-14-2010 at 10:25 AM · [top]

[25] tjmcmahon

Now, what message did they get when the DJ was playing the record backwards?

I bet it was “Compose a continuing Ode to Jerry Rice.”  Suddenly, recent events on SFIF are starting to make sense.


[26] Posted by carl on 8-14-2010 at 10:30 AM · [top]

[27] Posted by MikeS on 8-14-2010 at 10:35 AM · [top]

Some misguided Christian leaders (not all of whom are liberal) think that their job on Sunday is to “entertain the audience.”  Two quick comments on that:

1) The “audience” is God the Father.  There is no evidence that he needs entertaining.

2) As soon as you start entertaining the congregation (note they are not the audience) then the congregation’s attention is drawn to you, the entertainer. Your actions are thus derailing worship.

Take home lesson: follow the liturgy and get out of the way - the Holy Spirit will lead the worship.

[28] Posted by Michael D on 8-14-2010 at 10:57 AM · [top]

Thanks for the link Carl. I like this paragraph the best, especially the latter part:

Seeking to establish a pedagogy that was friendly to learning spirituality, Matthew Fox established an Institute in Culture and Creation Spirituality that operated for seven years at Mundelein College in Chicago and twelve years at Holy Names College in Oakland. For ten of those years at Holy Names College Cardinal Ratzinger, as chief Inquisitor and head of the Congregation of Doctrine and Faith (called the Office of the Holy Inquisition until 1965), tried to shut the program down. Ratzinger silenced Fox for one year in 1988 and forced him to step down as director. Three years later he expelled Fox from the Order and then had the program terminated at Holy Names College.

But are we really to believe that the only reason Ratzinger had any problem with Fox was because
he was “Seeking to establish a pedagogy that was friendly to learning spirituality”?
...and of course we all know that such “silencing” never happens in TEC, right?

[29] Posted by DavidSh on 8-14-2010 at 11:39 AM · [top]

I found the opening shots of worshipers in Mass remarkably offensive (I mean the real Mass, not the Cosmic-Techno-orgy-black mass).  The obvious message was “see what boring squares orthodox Christians are.  They’re all old, boring and uncool.” Because, of course, the point of worship is to be cool; and it’s not “cool” enough, apparently, to have the presence of the Triune God, the presence of Christ through the Holy Spirit, and a taste of the age to come.  That’s just boring stuff, that might require a worshiper to stop thinking about himself for a minute or two. 
This so called mass is utterly self centered and self indulgent. 
As for Fox, he is a theological hack, and the Pope was right to silence him.

[30] Posted by JerusalemAnglican on 8-14-2010 at 11:57 AM · [top]

What a gip!!!!  Where were the Towering Puppets of DOOM?
  (all I saw was a slightly elongated ballerina)

[31] Posted by anglicanlutenist on 8-14-2010 at 12:07 PM · [top]

Simply by paying attention to this clown, people are legitimizing his disgusting antics.  But, like others of his ilk who came on the scene briefly before him, he’ll fade away, and a year or so from now, nobody will even remember who he is.

[32] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-14-2010 at 12:11 PM · [top]

#7.  It has clowns.  I am eagerly awaiting the Cosmic Puppets of Doom Techno Rave and Rainbow Gathering Mass

[33] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 8-14-2010 at 12:15 PM · [top]

BAMAnglican [19] Highland?!? ... that must be low church tradition. If there’s incense in the air, only Lagavulin will cut through it.

[34] Posted by Denbeau on 8-14-2010 at 12:29 PM · [top]

Denbeau [34].  No dispute that Lagavulin will cut through incense.  That stuff would cut through stainless steel.  I don’t begrudge at all a nice Islay scotch, but the ideal to me is a Western Highland which has a touch of the Islands but not quite the pungent bite.  A nice Oban perhaps.  I do partake of Islay scotch on occasion and enjoy it when I do.  I admit I had not previously consired whether an Islay would fortify me for battle against the Revisionists.  I think it’s worth a college try.

[35] Posted by BAMAnglican on 8-14-2010 at 12:42 PM · [top]

Guessing ecstasy tablets are substituted for the host at communion.

[36] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 8-14-2010 at 01:11 PM · [top]

Laphroaig cuts through anything.

MF is another of Bp Swing’s legacies. Heresy is as heresy does.

For more Episco-fun, see:

[37] Posted by Ralph on 8-14-2010 at 01:29 PM · [top]

I checked out St Gregory where the All Saints Company started .... This is what i first saw.

Dogs Welcome!
Well-behaved dogs are always welcome at services at St. Gregory’s. We look forward to greeting you and your (leashed) companion at the 8:30AM or 10:45AM Sunday morning liturgy.

So who is leashed?

[38] Posted by martin5 on 8-14-2010 at 02:49 PM · [top]

I saw that too.
Dare I say this, that dogs are the “children” of the Culture of Death? (And yes, I have a dog at my house, in addition to three real children.)

[39] Posted by DavidSh on 8-14-2010 at 02:51 PM · [top]

I would have to draw the line at bringing cats to church. One wonders whether dogs (canines, that is; no intent to make a pun with a well-known yet offensive Biblical euphemism) receive communion at St Greg’s, or if the priest gives them a little doggie treat.

[40] Posted by Ralph on 8-14-2010 at 04:45 PM · [top]

Matthew + Fox + Theologian = Oxymoron

[41] Posted by GrandpaDino on 8-14-2010 at 05:07 PM · [top]

I looked up the link to 2 Timothy 4:3-4. Many today might write instead grin :

3For the time will come when men will not put up with questionable doctrine. Instead, to satisfy their God-given curiosity, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to impart what their inquisitive minds want to know. 4They will turn their ears away from myths and turn instead to the truth.

[42] Posted by mythbuster on 8-14-2010 at 05:16 PM · [top]

This is categorically unChristian.

[43] Posted by AnnieV on 8-14-2010 at 05:48 PM · [top]

Indeed, 42 and 43. “Doctrines of demons” anyone? My ancestors stopped worshipping trees to turn to the Triune God. Now Matthew Fox wants to bind them back into darkness, ignorance and idolatry. This man, and his bishop, will answer for it—if not here, at the judgement.

[44] Posted by Andrewesman on 8-14-2010 at 06:25 PM · [top]

Matthew Fox’s headquarters is in Oakland, CA.  remember that this is right next door to Berserkely!
And it is so really really trendy! with that spirituality going down into your body and into gggggaya.

Matthew and his ilk are so Ho Hum. Why, they don’t even have giant puppets! only the errant cello….
Jim of Olym

[45] Posted by rdrjames on 8-14-2010 at 06:33 PM · [top]

#4 - Mtr. Kennedy .. I agree. 

And come to think of it, I don’t remember seeing families at the cosmic mess. 

This is more or less what’s going on in my diocese.  They’re desperate to find that sweet-spot, and haven’t so far, even with Reike, drumming, and numerous stewardship retreats where The Importance of Microsoft Excel and Asking Really Really Rich People for Their Money are discussed, ad nuaseum. 

And they’ll never do the one simple but difficult thing, that would turn everything around. 

I suppose it’s possible they’d start doing this rave thing over in Cinci or perhaps by OSU over in Columbus.  I doubt it would fly over in any other part of the diocese, though.

[46] Posted by Elder Oyster on 8-14-2010 at 07:09 PM · [top]

I was introduced to Matthew Fox at an early time in my Christian life.  I thought he was great back then.  Thank God I had a good priest who led me away from that silliness.  Okay, for a while now I’ve known that it is beyond silliness and is truly evil that he draws people into his web by playing up his “Christianity” before he introduces folks to his more advanced spirituality.  He really is the paragon of contemporary mainstream TEC priesthood, no? 

Fox, Ragsdale, Bennison, Borg and their ilk make Robinson look orthodox.

Looking forward to trading in the the whole lot, and Jefforts-Schori too, for the bad guy of the video:  Benedict XVI

[47] Posted by loyal opposition on 8-14-2010 at 08:13 PM · [top]

Then again, I have to wonder if this is what lies beyond such tripe as, e.g., the U2charist.

[48] Posted by Elder Oyster on 8-14-2010 at 08:45 PM · [top]

I think this is more or less just what comes of very gradual (but steady) loosening and informalizing (is that a word?) the standards and structure of a mass/Eucharist.  If one (i.e. TEC) allows their services to be made gradually more open, more diverse, more ‘feel-good’ for no other reason than simply to try to make themselves relevant, you eventually wind up with nonsense like this.  This is simply a vivid illustration of why the prayer-book’s set-forth designs for worship and sacraments are so important (ideally, the 1928, not the ‘79).  Without a theologically sound pattern for worship that is stuck to and defended vigorously by the church’s ordained clergy, the faith will inevitably become a DIY spirituality in the guise, however thin and watery, of apostolic Christianity.

[49] Posted by Dalton on 8-14-2010 at 09:01 PM · [top]

I’m neither hip nor with it, but the use of cosmic in the context of mass is both painfully dated and evocative of massive pot smoking.

Is Fox a Cheech and Chong wannabe? Or is he a Kevin Smith fanboy?

[50] Posted by Matthew A (formerly mousestalker) on 8-14-2010 at 09:24 PM · [top]

interesting related fact. one of the “techno masses” that Fox visited was the ill-fated “Nine O’Clock Service” [wiki] in my hometown of Sheffield in the UK.

The wiki article summarises the sad outcome of this experiment,

In 1995 a number of complaints began to surface of sexual assaults by Chris Brain on women in the group. After an investigation by the Diocese of Sheffield the group was shut down in August 1995. Chris Brian was banned from acting as a priest, and checked himself into a psychiatric hospital.

[51] Posted by David Ould on 8-14-2010 at 10:44 PM · [top]

I saw this posted on a friends FB page, and it hit me how this contrasted with the techno mass, and a whole bunch of other things going on in the church today.  My favorite quote from the end of the article:

If we are interested in Christianity in any sort of serious way, it is not because it’s easy or trendy or popular. It’s because Jesus himself is appealing, and what he says rings true. It’s because the world we inhabit is utterly phony, ephemeral, narcissistic, image-obsessed and sex-drenched — and we want an alternative. It’s not because we want more of the same.

Full article is from Wall Street Journal online and if this link works can be found here.

[52] Posted by Reformed Wanderer on 8-14-2010 at 11:33 PM · [top]

To each his own… Each of us begins our walk with Christ differently, but… I think I’d rather watch the Cleveland Indians or the Browns than pretend that I am worshiping in this manner… <sarcasm> Next thing you know Fox will be holding sporting events… Bowling for Jesus! </sarcasm>

[53] Posted by bdino on 8-15-2010 at 08:21 AM · [top]

As bizarre as the Cosmic Mass is it is not much less appealing than the contemporary modern Convergent liturgies being used by the Continuing Episcopalians. Matthew Fox reminds me of Timothy Leary.

[54] Posted by RMBruton on 8-15-2010 at 12:26 PM · [top]

Unholy Schmoley !!

[55] Posted by AuroraBee on 8-15-2010 at 12:52 PM · [top]

Ratzinger’s loss is Rowan’s gain.

[56] Posted by paradoxymoron on 8-15-2010 at 03:57 PM · [top]

ooh the sinsuality, the extasy (that’s what makes a rave a rave is the drugs), oh….i’m sure Baal was listening to their prayers, and Moloch should be hungry too, when will they feed him?

[57] Posted by humble country parson on 8-16-2010 at 11:03 AM · [top]

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