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January 5, 2011


[Off Topic] The amazing truth about PISA scores: USA beats Western Europe, ties with Asia.

What an interesting thesis indeed.  I need to mull it over a bit.

Make sure you read the entire post over at his Super-Economy blog, for more of interest, including his policy implications.

The main theme in my blog is that we shouldn’t confuse policy with culture, and with demographic factors.

For instance, education scholars have known for decades that the home environment of the kids and the education levels of the parents are very important for student outcomes. We also know that immigrant kids have a more difficult time at school, in part because they don’t know the language.

Take me as an example. The school me and my brother attended was in a basement in Tehran, had no modern resources, and largely focused on religious indoctrination. But we had a good home background. Our father attended a college in the west a few years (our mother didn’t, despite stratospheric scores test scores, because at the time you didn’t send a good Kurdish girl to another city to study). So we did well in school. Conversely, the first few years in Sweden I had bad grades, in part because I didn’t master the language.

The point I am trying to make is that the school in Sweden was objectively superior to the school in Iran. But I scored lower in Sweden, because of factors outside the control of the education system. If you want to compare the effect of the school, you have to isolate those external factors and make an apples-to-apples comparison.

However, this is not at all how the media is presenting the recent PISA scores. For example there is a lot of attention of the score of the kids in Shanghai, the according to the NYT is supposed to “stun” us or something.

It’s dumb to compare one of the most elite cities in a country with entire nations, and to draw policy-inference from such a comparison. Shanghai has 3 times the average income of China! It is also naive to trust the Chinese government when they tell us the data is representative of the entire nation. Either you compare Shanghai to New York City, or you compare the entire country of China, including the rural part, with other large nations. Most of the news and policy conclusions we read about PISA-scores in the New York Times is thus pure nonsense.

1. Correcting for the demography:

In almost all European countries, immigrants from third world countries score lower than native born kids.

Why? No one don’t know exactly why. Language, culture, home environment, income of parents, the education level of the parents and social problems in the neighborhood and peer groups norms are among likely explanations. But it is generally not true that the schools themselves are worse for immigrants than natives. In welfare states, immigrants often (thought not always) go to the same or similar schools and have as much or likely more resources per student.

So the fact that immigrant students in mixed schools do worse than Swedish kids used to a few decades ago in homogeneous schools does not it out of itself prove that Swedish public schools have become worse.

Of course, the biggest myth that the media reporting of PISA scores propagates is that the American public school system is horrible.

The liberal left in U.S and in Europe loves this myth, because they get to demand more government spending, and at the same time get to gloat about how much smarter Europeans are than Americans. The right also kind of likes the myth, because they get to blame social problems on the government, and scare the public about Chinese competitiveness.

We all know that Asian students beat Americans students, which “proves” that they must have a better education system. This inference is considered common sense among public intellectuals. Well, expect for the fact that Asian kids in the American school system actually score slightly better than Asian kids in North-East-Asia!

So maybe it’s not that there is something magical about Asian schools, and has more to do with the extraordinary focus on education in Asian culture, with their self-discipline and with their favorable home environment.

There are 3 parts to the PISA test, Reading, Math, and Science. I will just make it simple and use the average score of the 3 tests. This is not strictly correct, but in practice it doesn’t influence the results, while making it much easier for the reader. (the reason it doesn’t influence the results is that countries that are good at one part tend to be good at other parts of the test.)

The simplest thing to do in order to get an apples-to-apples comparison is to at least correct for demography and cultural background. For instance, Finland scores the best of any European country. However first and second generation immigrant students in Finland do not outperform native Swedish, and score 50 points below native Finns (more on this later).

On PISA, 50 points is a lot. To give you a comparison, 50 points is larger than the difference between Sweden and Turkey. A crude rule of thumb here is that 50 points is 0.5 standard deviations.

The problem is that different countries have different share of immigrants. Sweden in 2009 PISA data had 17%, and Finland 4%. It’s just not fair to the Swedish public school system to demand that they must produce the same outcome, when Sweden has many more disadvantaged students. Similarly schools with African-American students who are plagued by racism, discrimination, crime, broken homes, poverty and other social problems are not necessarily worse just because their students don’t achieve the same results as affluent suburbs of Chicago. In fact, the most reliable data I have seen suggests that American minority schools on average have slightly more money than white schools. It’s just that the social problems they face are too much to overcome for the schools. It is illogical to blame the public school system for things out of its hands.


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This post reminds me of a IEP meeting I was in once, wherein the English teacher was bemoaning the student’s inability to focus and pay attention in her class when he was supposed to be doing his worksheets.  It was pointed out to the teacher that the reason the child wasn’t able to do his worksheets and was bored and misbehaving was the child was legally blind and could not actually see his worksheets to do them.

Education and educating competently is more than the sum of test scores.  But the meme of “US public education is bad!” is easier to understand than actually taking the time to deal with the complexities of the issue.  Glad to read someone’s doing the legwork to take the myth of American education out to the woodshed.

[1] Posted by Isaac on 1-5-2011 at 03:38 PM · [top]

Oh, and let me follow up by saying I believe the single greatest export the US is going to have in the next, oh, 50 years or so is going to be (if it isn’t already) our Secondary and Higher Education.

[2] Posted by Isaac on 1-5-2011 at 03:45 PM · [top]

“It is illogical to blame the public school system for things out of its hands.”
And that is the bottom line. Sure, there are bad teachers and bad schools, just like there are bad priests and bad writers. And that is a problem, but the problem also is the overwhelming opinion the “school system” is supposed to somehow overcome the lack of effort from the student and especially the lack of effort by the parents. It seems a lot of parents feel since they pay for the school via taxes the teachers should take over their responsibility. And it’s just not public schools either. My sister taught at a private Catholic school and more than a few times she’d have parent/teacher conferrences where the parents were outraged their child was failing while they were paying all this money for a “good private education”. The only problem was my sister then showed them their child had failed to turn in the last 12 assignments. And here was her email to the parents when the count hit 5, and when it hit 10 and the emails regarding poor testing results. All unanswered.
Perhaps my view is myoptic, but if public education is so bad, I wonder how my daughter has managed to be in it her whole life and still succeed. She will graduate this year with 7 AP courses completed, a 4+ GPA, and already accepted to 2 universities highly ranked in the field she wishes to study with applications waiting for another 5. And yet the same school produced many students/parents who complain about the quality of education. Maybe they just weren’t putting in the effort. Maybe the parents failed to ride herd on them like we did. And maybe they should look in the mirror to see who is probably at fault rather than trying to put one’s failings at the feet of another.

[3] Posted by Mike L on 1-5-2011 at 04:38 PM · [top]

My daughters go to a huge secondary school in Northern Virginia.  The junior lettered in academics this year by maintaining a 4.0 (or better) GPA last year. 

The kicker?  The ceremony took forever!  There were 350 kids, from 9th to 12th grade, with 4.0+ GPAs. Why is that?  Well, our county has a very high level of college graduates and advanced degrees.  Yes, both parents are probably working, but they still are emphasizing education and their children are learning from a young age.

That is the difference, I think.  Parental involvement finds problems early and develops interventions to foster success.  Yes, a lot of kids have IEPs, but that’s a good thing, isn’t it?

[4] Posted by Paul B on 1-6-2011 at 08:20 AM · [top]

Some excellent points are made. Still, public education is not off the hook. No Child Left Behind established a low baseline and demanded measured improvement. It was a poor and desparate attempt to get measureable standards established. I believe such standards should be established district by district and reflect the realities of the district (income levels, foreign language usage, and the like). Then you would get a truer measure of how well schools are doing and how well teachers respond to specific challenges. A know of an extremely poor area with massive percentage of predominantly Spanish-speaking students that is doing remarkably well and almost making AYP but receiving little recognition or understanding. At the same time, the district as a whole doesn’t set their own standards, has a bloated administration, refuses to address in meaningful ways drug usage and distribution within the schools. Good teachers are the key to a good education. But good teachers must be supported in their efforts to provide discipline in the class room and be rewarded. Poor teachers must be weeded out. Teachers’ unions make that harder but in some districts unions arose from a need to protect teachers from abusive administrations. Improving education in this country is a difficult challenge. Removing barriers to let more people enter teaching and then being able to weed out those who lack the ability, discipline, or interest to serve their students could help. At the same time, consider education for the ministry. How can we train the requisiste number of clergy, especially if the needs of small, poor, rural parishes and missions are to be met without raising up some from within for bivocational or non-stipendiary positions and for whom onerously expensive and time consuming formal education maybe impractical?

[5] Posted by Don+ on 1-6-2011 at 11:13 AM · [top]

[6] Posted by Lapinbizarre on 1-6-2011 at 06:44 PM · [top]

I watched my son graduating from Purdue in December with his masters in Engineering. Many of his classmates were from India and Asia. Guess where they are headed. That’s right, back to their countries. The Ph.D. profiles were even more skewed to those from other countries. We are helping other countries become more competitive with us. I wish we could get more of the graduates to stay here but there is probably more of a demand for their skills in their economies.

[7] Posted by Fr. Dale on 1-6-2011 at 07:16 PM · [top]

#6. Lapinbizarre,
“Indaba”?

[8] Posted by Fr. Dale on 1-6-2011 at 07:21 PM · [top]

#8.  Fr. Dale,
Nah.  Delphi Principle in action.

[9] Posted by dwstroudmd+ on 1-7-2011 at 11:20 PM · [top]

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