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June 26, 2012


Frank Schaeffer Finds Heaven

Turns out it was out in the woods in western North Carolina. Who’d have thought?

Not just any place, of course. Schaeffer found the Kingdom of God at the “Wild Goose Festival,” a kind of hippies-come-to-Jesus gathering that the Institute on Religion and Democracy has been reporting on at its blog Juicy Ecumenism (here, here, and here). He describes his epiphany at The Huffington Post:

Last year’s WG was the first and there were about 1,300 of us there. This year we were closing in on 2000-plus. And now WG is West Coast bound too. The names of the speakers Jim Wallis and all the rest (I spoke 3 times) added up to a “draw” along with the big name musical performers. But the heart of the festival wasn’t in the events but in the conversations.

For me the highlight of the festival was the fact that there was no wall of separation between us speakers and performers and everyone there. I spent 4 days talking with lots of people from all over America and other places too, about ideas but also about very personal subjects. I met Ramona who was the cook at the Indian food stand and found she is ill and has no health insurance and I was able to connect her with a friend who knew a friend at the WG fest locally to help her get the full checkup she needs. I could do that because the festival was full of the sort of people who help, love and care so for once there was someone to call.

I’m sure that was all very pleasant, but the real reason why Schaeffer seems to have found heaven among the goslings is that in heaven, there are no evangelicals, conservatives, fundamentalists…you know, haters. (The title of his HuffPo piece is “Wild Goose Heaven Our Answer to Hate.” Subtle, huh?) Bart Gingerich of the IRD reports on Schaeffer’s presentation:

First, Schaeffer described the Wild Goose Festival as an event “where cynics like me feel at home.” He further cajoled his gaggle of eager listeners: “What we’re doing here is important since it is a political year…Christianity is more identified with the Republican Party than with Jesus Christ.” “Religion is less spiritual and politics is less pure,” he worried.

He described his journey from fundyland to…wherever he is now…in part this way:

Soon, the wild goslings heard Schaeffer credit his spiritual re-awakening to his granddaughter, Lucy. From her he learned about unconditional love, where he evidently could never get mad at her, no matter what she would do. He fondly told of his interactions and conversations with her. Schaeffer concluded that God must be the same way: always compassionate and never angry with human beings. He contrasted this revelation with the erroneous assumptions of fundamentalism: “If you disagree with me, you disagree with God. And—nothing personal—but you’ll burn forever in Hell.” In addition, he teased, “My fundamentalist friends, to put it bluntly, think I will go to Hell when I die. And I’m okay with that if they’re not going to be there.”

But inevitably, he came back to politics:

Eventually, Schaeffer took another gander at American politics. “I can’t fix the world, but I can go down fighting that Obama can get re-elected,” he exclaimed to eager applause. He proclaimed, “I think he’s one of the greatest presidents that America has ever had!” The speaker castigated liberal purists since the current executive “faces the most vile and hateful lies ever faced by an American president (and they dare not call it racism!), and you complain that he is not meeting all the checks on your list.” He asked, “Have you considered the alternative or are you clinically insane?” The “alternative” position Schaeffer described as “blow up the universe and sell it to Exxon to sell back to you.”

Yes, it is wonderful that there was no hate at Wild Goose. At least none that Frank Schaeffer could see.


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Yeah, I bet heaven is JUST LIKE THAT.  Or not.

[1] Posted by B. Hunter on 6-26-2012 at 01:44 PM · [top]

preening self-congratulation…just like Jesus

[2] Posted by Anne Kennedy on 6-26-2012 at 01:55 PM · [top]

From her he learned about unconditional love, where he evidently could never get mad at her, no matter what she would do. He fondly told of his interactions and conversations with her. Schaeffer concluded that God must be the same way: always compassionate and never angry with human beings.


Okay, that’s great! But isn’t Schaeffer mad at his father? Isn’t that the basis of his whole career? Isn’t it hypocritical of him to say this?

What if his granddaughter grows up to write “The God Who Is There, Part II”? Then Franky will be mad at her too, and his opinion about God will shift due to his emotions of the moment. I wonder if thoughts like this ever bother Franky.

Franky, you need to sit down, chill out and have a (Os) Guinness. You’re not thinking clearly.

[3] Posted by SpongJohn SquarePantheist on 6-26-2012 at 02:31 PM · [top]

That cinches it.  Wild horses couldn’t keep me from Eastern Orthodoxy. 

What an ass.

[4] Posted by J Eppinga on 6-26-2012 at 03:32 PM · [top]

Isn’t liberal heaven the place where ‘every knee will bow to Him; and every tongue will confess’ that Barrack Obama is indeed god of all.

[5] Posted by jamesw on 6-26-2012 at 03:38 PM · [top]

RE: ” But isn’t Schaeffer mad at his father? Isn’t that the basis of his whole career?”

Heh—oh so true.  A bitter little man.

[6] Posted by Sarah on 6-26-2012 at 03:53 PM · [top]

Just keep in mind, Moot: Schaeffer is Greek Orthodox, for whatever that’s worth.

[7] Posted by David Fischler on 6-26-2012 at 04:15 PM · [top]

I know, David Fischler.  The first part is pure sarcasm. 

The second part is not.

[8] Posted by J Eppinga on 6-26-2012 at 04:19 PM · [top]

A few minutes ago, a shepherd (one of the good ones) asked me if I was intent on going over to Eastern Orthodoxy.  It made me realize that my sarcastic remark (wild horses etc) was perhaps too subtle for my own good. 

To qualify, I am not converting to Eastern Orthodoxy and am not thinking about it. 

And I didn’t have sex with that woman.  wink

No;  seriously .. I’m not converting to Eastern Orthodoxy. 

Thank you, good shepherd.

[9] Posted by J Eppinga on 6-26-2012 at 04:35 PM · [top]

Sorry I didn’t get it. You can never be too sure with the folks on this site…  raspberry

[10] Posted by David Fischler on 6-26-2012 at 04:49 PM · [top]

Argh fellas, we all need to remember to use <sarcasm>. Been a really rough afternoon. Missed the sarcasm.

[11] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 6-26-2012 at 05:36 PM · [top]

I think Frank is confusing the Gospel with Godspell.

[12] Posted by Jeffersonian on 6-26-2012 at 08:18 PM · [top]

Hmm.  I grew up Eastern Orthodox and I don’t think he is toeing the line very well.  If anything they are WAY more into doing good.  In fact they need to as it is part of their salvation package.  NO unconditional salvation there.  Yes, God loves us and sent His Son to die for us and it is up to us to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.  But we are expected to do good and not evil.  In fact I don’t know WHAT Franky is thinking.  He has come up with his own theology.  The Orthodox do, in fact, follow scripture and tradition.  They cannot possibly endorse these silly ideas.

[13] Posted by old lady on 6-26-2012 at 10:21 PM · [top]

If god is “always compassionate and never angry w/ human beings,”  should we forget about worshipping Jesus?  Jesus had mastered compassion pretty well, but boy did he mess up and get angry!! - more than once, or we might have been able to overlook it.  He probably never apologized or picked up the tables he’d thrown over.  And how far did the money go that had flown from the tables when he threw them over?    W/ fury like that, he’d definitely flunk Franky’s entrance exam for the course on being a representative of god. 

Franky does recognize himself as a cynic.  Seems he’s not worried about that.

[14] Posted by maineiac on 6-26-2012 at 11:16 PM · [top]

What a crackpot.

[15] Posted by Newbie Anglican on 6-27-2012 at 08:24 AM · [top]

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