Presiding Bishop calls off litigation, disciplinary actions?

OK, Father Timothy, this makes you personally responsible for all the time I am going to expend in the next 2 years trying to convince fellow conservatives that the PB is not a nice lady, and did not rescind all the disciplinary actions (“but I read it on SF”).

We both know that the correct interpretation of the quotation above is:

“Constitution?  We don’t need no stinking constitution.”

“like Indiana Jones on that light bridge”- Yeah, those old knights are in trouble when KJS and DBB catch up with them.  Under the Dennis canon, the Holy Grail is the property of the Episcopal Church.

I don’t mind being personally responsible, as long as you remind all those deceived people that you love me and they should, too.

But I’ll go in and fix it - minimally.

To the PB, love for her enemies (aka suing the hell out of them) is just like snow removal in Boston: as they say there, “The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.”

As far as she is concerned, she has nothing to do with it, and so her platitudes and vapid metaphors cost her nothing. Whether the scorched-earth strategy works or not, it’s out of her hands, and so while she “sins boldly”, she still can rejoice equally boldly.

Of course if you abandon scripture, reason and tradition, it is like jumping into a chasm. I thought the analogy was very good.

Tim+ wrote:

Such proclamation of love overcoming law can only mean the reinstatement and welcoming back of hundreds of deposed clergy, whole dissenting dioceses and congregations, and the return of properties taken from them by litigation.

I understand the spirit in which you wrote the above.  When do I think such events will happen?  How about…..  when Equus (africanus) asinus fly!! Does this woman think we are that gullible and will believe her blather and nonsense?  What a bunch of .........

PS Tim+ Love that your last link is to that <gasp> literal translation, the ESV!! That is the icing on the cake! 

#6 “Love that your last link is to that <gasp> literal translation, the ESV!!” 

See, that’s the spirit! Love! 

#4 “I thought the analogy was very good.”

C’mon, you can do better!  You were almost there with the smiley.  Go all the way and jump into that chasm, say it now, you LOVED the analogy!!!!!

One sick woman - she and Barack Obama are like peas in a pod.  Perfect head for The ‘Church of the Mentally Ill.” (quoting Gene Robinson).

In Mrs Schori’s counterclock world love means our friends and fellow-travelers and hate only refers to anyone who disagrees with you.

And David Booth Beers heads up the Piskie Ministry of Love.

I have some bad news. PB&F[1 ] asked Gregory Straub [2] to find the latest audit, and when he went looking in the Archives, he discovered that we have been using the wrong edition of the Constitution and Canons all through our deliberations. The general conclusion is that everything we’ve done here is therefore invalid. Are you ready to start over from 2006?

Okay so I added the last two words ... imagine if she hadn’t been elected how different things maybe today.

#11, If that would invalidate all decisions post 2006 including the election of +KJS, who would you consider for PB? Who were possible candidates for PB? I can’t even remember now…....seems like eons ago. Were there any truly worthy candidates?

Just so I am sure we don’t fall into a chasm/down a rabbit hole/into quicksand etc., I want to be clear that the paragraph quoted in #11 was the first paragraph of the sermon.

Had the Curmudgeon look at it and we agree that it is a lame joke to set up the rest of the sermon, not an actual situation.  Lame not because it lacks potential humor, but because it manifests the speaker’s disdain for the Constitution and Canons.  She wouldn’t care if it was a real situation.

Apologizes that I may have started something unintentionally but I was really thinking that if she had not been elected, Tec may not have been involved in these lawsuits/disciplinary actions to this extent. Her predessor was more of the mind that it was a diocesan matter.

martin5 no worries!  I wondered and had to ask around to to see if it was a joke or an(other) actual GC gaffe. 

Your other question, about PB possibilities, is of course moot when it comes to KJS.  But I wonder if there is a critical mass of people who would want the next PB to swear off the litigation dope and work at some other model?

Nahhh, who’m I kidding?

+Tim, We listened to KJS+ sermon and there was laughter following that. Yes, I suspect it was a lame joke on her part- a very bad joke in fact. My question is another of my musings of “What if?” So we don’t have to go there.

OOPS. Sorry I made Tim a bishop and KJS a priest. my bad.

Since we are in a jovial mood,  I will gladly call attention to a very funny article titled “What if Screwtape goes to General Convention”. I have linked to my blog, one daughter’s perspective, where I have some of it and a link to the full article at Center Aisle, a diocese of VA publication.  Enjoy.

LOL about the mobile “+“s in #16.  But the “What if?”  SHOULD come into play at the next GC - are they going to keep this lame, expensive, divisive policy in place or look for a Christian leader with something better to offer?  Won’t hold my breath, but it would be intriguing.  She’s going to have little to show for the policy but a bunch of empty churches.

“Sorry I made Tim a bishop and KJS a priest…”

That wouldn’t be a bad place to start. +Tim could handle KJS+ from there.

Ms. Schori is the living embodiment of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s idea of an artist who can hold two fundamentally different views at the same time, and continue to function. Most liberals are that way, right? “It is unpatriotic to call President Obama unpatriotic…oh it was totally fine for then-Senator Obama to call President Bush’s 2007-2008 deficit spending [which was a fraction of what he has spent] unpatriotic.” Wish I could say my last illustration was just sarcasm, but I actually saw it here. You can’t make this stuff up.

If what Sununu and Romney meant to say is what that one grasping totalitarian cheerleader said, #21, that BHO isn’t fit to be President, I’d agree with them.  In fact, I don’t need anyone to tell me that, in “code” or otherwise.

What impeccable parliamentary procedure is she hallucinating about?  The GC’s rules of order were a travesty.  Everything else she said is therefore unbelievable.

Chip /+ (I guess that’s as good a plus thingy as O can muster from Custer.)

Tim,  I had the same thought when I read the PB’s sermon:  It must mean that the hostilities have ended and the litigation is over!  At least that is what it would mean to anyone who really believed what she was saying.

That is the challenge for all of us who preach the Gospel:  sometimes your words come back to challenge whether you really believe what you preach and are willing to live it.

Quite true, Matt+. No doubt he could but alas…...

#19, I suspect we both know the answer to your question of whether TEC leaders esp +KJS will hold to their divisive policy or not. <sarcasm>OF COURE they plan on keeping to this prophetic course of action. <sarcasm>WHY they don’t see the consequences of their decisions and actions is beyond me. Declining numbers of Episcopalians, empty buildings, millions of dollars in debt, what is it they don’t understand?? To paraphrase Dr. Phil: How is it working for ya?

When the Presiding Bishop has reconciliation on her mind it is time to reach for the tin helmet.

Augustine of Hippo and Luther are only men - Scripture never says to sin boldly.

Scripture NEVER affirms or exempts homosexual acts…NEVER.

The Episcopal Church has fallen into the hands of evildoers and liars.

They along with the rest of the ‘gay’ ‘s exual rights’ activists are leading a generation of people to hell and lives of misery.

Over 40 times the incidence of HIV…the highest rates of all other STDs….

It is despicable, damnable…

Obama has spent hundreds of millions promoting homosexuality in public schools…while his young men (Down Low Bros, aka black homo and bisexuals) of his own race are the group with the largest increase of HIV diagnoses of any other population group.  Obama ought to be ashamed.

The Global South have published a comunique from their conference in Thailand last week.  TEC gets a special mention, as do Communion Partners: http://www.globalsouthanglican.org/index.php/blog/comments/communique_of_the_global_south_primates_bangkok_thailand_20_july_2012.

+Dan Martins of TEC attended the conference.  His daily blog also makes interesting reading:  http://movingdiagonally.blogspot.co.uk/

With regard to the PB, actions <> words, so no need to listen to a word she says. 

God designed man and woman to be together (that ought to be about the most obvious thing ever).  He did not design man/man or woman/woman to be together.  His commandments, which we are to obey if we love Him, are there for our protection, as evidenced by #28.

Unfortunately, our El Presidente’ is just as bad as the PB.  It’s a tough time for our country.  I pray for God’s forgiveness, that we will turn our face to Him who can heal our land.

B. Hunter, our triumverate, KJS, DBB and BHO are three of a kind…..just plain BAD!  Some day, this country will turn the corner, and when we do, what a great day that will be.  The Lord will see to that.

“I have some bad news. PB&F[1 ] asked Gregory Straub [2] to find the latest audit, and when he went looking in the Archives, he discovered that we have been using the wrong edition of the Constitution and Canons all through our deliberations. The general conclusion is that everything we’ve done here is therefore invalid. Are you ready to start over?”

Is this a joke?

#32 yes, I wondered that too, Betty See.  Checked with the Curmudgeon and it appears to be a bad joke used to set up the rest of the sermon.  It is made worse by the fact that the person who said it has shown so little regard for the Constitution and Canons in reality.

One is tempted to suggest that it had never occurred to her there was a constitution, or canons, until Gregory Straub pointed out to her that the big book she had been putting her coffee cup on at the last several GCs had a secondary function.

LOL. TJ. Is that true ? The PB has been using the book of C &C as a place to put her coffee mug?  I have seen attorneys with the C & C and it is a rather large book.

33, Tim, Quite true. If she had any sort of regard for he Constitution and Canons, she would not make such a lame joke about it. Given the laughter in response, it seems her audience has no regard for the C&C either. I remember John Burwell+ writing how many deputies (a could hundred) simply did not stay for the closing eucharist. So who was in the audience- her die hard fans?

In answer to the PB’s question.
Sure. Let us start over.  This time we need to make sure the Constitution and Canons are followed, shall we? What ? Can’t do that? Why not? Surely we ALL need to understand the importance of rules and ABIDE by them. <sarcasm off>

Drat. I forgot. The only *rules* the PB follows are ones she makes up or ones that are in her favor. All the rest she just blithely ignores.

It had to be a joke for they couldn’t afford a do over.

Still I couldn’t resist posting it ....

yeah, yeah, Martin. I know they could not afford start over.   Another way to look at it could be - Can they afford to ignore the C & C much longer and NOT start over? Of course it goes without mention that none of this should have been subject of lawsuits among Christians.  Oh well. At least it is clear that their low regard for Scripture will not derail their agenda.

Maybe it is both a joke and a confession.