Either/Or

Look, Fischler, you’re missing the point by asserting this is about college students.

The guys (although now becoming the miniority on campuses and in access to lucrative careers and government positions) are privileged types who can get what they want without help.

The contraception mandate is a justice issue.  It’s about women’s health.

David - I cannot believe you are advocating taking away the “right” to free contraception and choice. (Sarcasm off) The problem is the President and college students don’t know what “rights” are and how they are derived being educated by liberal fantasy rather than history of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Odd isn’t it, given that one is sworn to uphold the both and the university system should teach both.

Under the liberal/progressive definition of “right” which as 2 suggests is far removed from what the Constitution recognizes as rights, is the notion that someone else must pay for you to exercise that right and if they refuse to pay for it then that is considered as denying you that right.  Of course its absurd, but that’s clearly the way they think and that’s clearly the way Obama and the Democrats are pitching it.

“Let me tell you something, Virginia,” Obama said, “I don’t think your boss should control the care you get. I don’t think insurance companies should control the care you get. I definitely don’t think politicians on Capitol Hill should control the care you get. We’ve seen some of their attitudes, we’ve read about those.”

Except that someone other than the recipient is paying for it.  The government has no problem with telling people what to do when it picks up the tab.  Here we see the rot behind liberal/progressive thought—you are entitled to whatever you can force others to pay for.

As someone has noted, those who have no problems with others paying money to them get all upset when faced with a reduction in their entitlements.

Nor should your boss control what you get paid…...oh wait - at least so far he/she does. But of course the cost of health care has no impact on pay. It can’t because its a right

“I definitely don’t think politicians on Capitol Hill should control the care you get. We’ve seen some of their attitudes, we’ve read about those.”

Agree. Repeal Obama care, support transportability, remove barriers and take healthcare out of the hands of government.

I have to wonder: is the President ignorant on what is in the health care legislation he supported or just plain lying?

“I definitely don’t think politicians on Capitol Hill should control the care you get. We’ve seen some of their attitudes, we’ve read about those.”

What in the world is he thinking? Does he want a free marketplace for healthcare now?

Not likely, and besides, I don’t think I like HIS attitude.

6, plain lying.  Just look how they twisted the Church’s refusal to pay for something they object to into the Church’s refusal to let people use birth control or have an abortion.  As lying goes it doesn’t get more brazen that that.  Yet as an aside NPR always presents this issue as the latter.

It’s a strange world that one must live in to believe that college students, who heretofore have had no problem paying for a $10 pack of condoms whenever they wanted them, are suddenly being forced to choose between textbooks (which can cost upwards of $500 or more a semester) and birth control.

I’ve heard from some adult college studnets, or parents of college students, that it’s not uncommon to spend $500 on textbooks for a single class.

Parents of College Students Beware, Your insurance premiums and co-pays will go up permanently.

I have just talked to the company from which I retired with regard to next year’s health insurance. Our premium for next year’s insurance has been increased $20.00 a month and I would guess that my Medicare part 2 premium will also be increased. This is quite a hit for those of us who live on fixed incomes.
I have been told that our company insurance plan currently covers birth control pills, with a co-pay now but next year they will cover birth control pills without a co-pay because the government classifies them as preventative care items. Employees and Retirees will have to continue to pay co-pays for items that are not on the government’s preventative care list.

Parents who pay health insurance for college students should find out the following info

Has a list of preventative care drugs been made available to the public?

Does this list include abortion pills and services?  What are the side effects of the pills?

Who decides which drugs can be classified as preventative care drugs?

Those who pay Health Insurance Premiums have a right to know and PBS should educate the public with regard to the cost of these programs.

College Women Beware:

Once you start getting free birth control and abortion services the entire burden of contraception will be borne by Women.

Could anyone direct us to a transcript of President Obama’s speech at George Mason University or let us know where we can go to hear his speech?
Nothing I could say to some of my friends would make them believe that I am giving them a true account of what he said, but a real transcript of his speech might convince them.

Betty: You can find a transcript here:

Obama at GMU

David Fischler, you sound like you are a member of one of those Hate Groups who want to take rights away from people.

“I think there is one person who gets to make decisions about your health care,” said Obama, “that’s you.”

No, what he means is that there is one ORGANIZATION that makes decision about your health care, and that is his administration…..

David Fischler, Thanks for directing me to the transcript and video of Obama’s speech.

The audience seems to be very enthuastic about anything President Obama has to say but I did not hear many specifics about preventative health care. No matter, the audience probably knew in advance that he was offering them free birth control pills, abortion pills, and maybe abortion services even though many of them could easily skip a night of partying in order to pay co-pays for these services.

The thing that poor people who cannot afford college have not been told is that they will have to compete with college students, high wage earners and rich people for their share of the free, no co-pay services. I don’t know how many pieces of the pie the government can dish out but you can bet that college students will be right up front for the first pieces of the pie.

On second thought, people who do not get their share of the preventative health care pie might be better off considering the side effects and unintended consequences of birth control pills, abortion pills and abortion services.

Thanks for letting me have my say, this really is my last post on this thread.
Good night

Because if the Founders risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for anything, it was the God-given right to make other people pay for stuff you want.

That’s what the “pursuit of happiness” is all about!

Jim: No, I want to take lefts away from people. Rights are OK by me. 

Oh, and yes, I am a member of a hate group. I’m a Presbyterian. We hate sin!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Me too! (Hence my name.)  Started as a cradle Episcopalian growing up in a conservative Anglo-Catholic parish, watched the church and diocese develop severe mental illness in the Seventies and Eighties from the virus first injected in the Sixties, left in the late Nineties when all the real fun and games began. for a Jesus-following, Bible-believing (and growing) Presbyterian church.

Unfortunately, the pattern is all now being repeated in the PCUSA.  Deja vu all over again.  Nothing new under the sun, as the Preacher would say.