
The Earth Shifted: Rage, Revisionists & Responses for The Diocese of South Carolina
Over the past nine years, I’ve gotten to know a limited number of fellow Episcopalians who enjoy analysis, trending, forecasting, and strategy. All of us check in with one another periodically by phone, email, and skype and enjoy some great conversation. In fact, a group of us got together a few years ago—from all over the States—simply to chat and enjoy one another’s company, all the while feverishly analyzing, trending, forecasting, and strategizing. It was a delight, simply because most of my friends don’t have those interests [believe me, they have others that keep me busy!] and it’s nice to be around people with similar minds on occasion.
One of the favorite conversations has been in predicting what 815—specifically Katherine Jefferts Schori, David Booth Beers, and their various apparatchiks—would do about the Diocese of South Carolina.
That Diocese has been the one that has been the most disciplined and effective in continually differentiating itself from the foundational worldview—the particular and customized gospel of 815—and actions of the current leadership of our church, while at the same time remaining within The Episcopal Church. As a result of its persistent and vocal differentiation it has earned the ire of our church’s current national leadership.
My thesis was always the same.
The actions of our church’s current leadership at the highest levels towards the remaining traditionalists in our church—particularly those traditionalists who are stating and acting in clear, public, formal, official ways that demonstrate their repudiation of the beliefs and actions of our current leadership—are largely driven by rage, and that rage blinds them to reasonable, clear-headed decisions that allow them to preserve resources, manage our church’s image, and look to positive future actions.
Since my thesis was that our national leadership was driven by fury—outrage and bitterness—then it made sense that such intense emotion would not allow them to do what was clearly the best, most helpful thing for The Episcopal Church as a whole. Instead, their emotions would force them to behave ridiculously and foolishly and ineptly and they would move to rid themselves of those with whom they were most angry, most outraged—and that, obviously, would be the Diocese of South Carolina and through the most draconian means.
Over the past two years, as our leaders took the next steps at General Convention in keeping with their particular, customized gospel, and as the Diocese of South Carolina continued to clearly and publicly distance themselves from the unique theology and worldview of our current leadership and differentiate the Gospel which the Diocese held from the particular unique gospel of our current national leadership, fellow analysts and forecasters would tell me that “surely our leaders would not be so foolish as to move against a diocese that was so clearly in a weak position already.”
Why move against a diocese when there is no need, and when that diocese is in an extraordinarily weak, minority position within the denomination as a whole? It would be like blowing a mosquito away with a cannon—aimed at the floor of one’s house.
This line of conversation always led to other competing theses regarding the revisionist activists in The Episcopal Church. For if there’s one thing that’s always troubled me about some of my fellow conservatives in The Episcopal Church, it’s been their seeming inability to recognize the intensity, commitment, and emotional fervor with which revisionist activists hold their beliefs—and how utterly amoral, bullying, and controlling they are. There truly are little to no limits to what they will do to further their ideology; and for that ideology—that religion of theirs—there is no compromise. There may be “temporary truces” while they gather more strength in order to force eventual compliance, but their commitment is to forcing their religion on the rest of us. And they will not stop at anything to do that.
It remains stunning to me that so many conservatives seem unable to recognize those hard truths about the nature of their opponents in the church and the fervor with which they hold their competing and antithetical gospel. What that means is that many conservatives are left attempting to “reason with” revisionist activists, or negotiate, or compromise, or hope for grace or generosity from them, while assuming that they share the same basic foundational principles and values.
Such misconceptions lead to heartache and disappointment and confusion in the end. “We thought we had a good, positive discussion; we thought there had been some mutual agreements and commonalities. What happened?” Truth is, revisionist activists and conservatives simply don’t share the same moral universe, the same faith, the same values—they come from antithetical worldviews, and there is no unity of mission with such mutually opposing foundations.
But as the months rolled on, I began to wonder. Had I been advising 815 on what to do with so hated an enemy as the Diocese of South Carolina, I’d have told them to simply pat the diocese figuratively on the head, chuck it under the chin, and proceed onward with ones’ activities. For the position of the Diocese of South Carolina was strikingly weak—one of waiting, powerless, while internally the diocese fractured with differing views as to what to do.
As I predicted some years ago, I didn’t believe that many parishes would follow St. Andrews’, Mount Pleasant—and as it turned out, it was only St. Andrews—but I did believe that the Diocese would grow steadily less united in its determination to remain within, and wait for the leadership of TEC to move against its leadership. Some parishes would wish to leave. Some would wish to “take further action.” Some would wish for everything to “just die down and go away.” And the four revisionist parishes would continue clattering and sniping whatever happened.
The very best thing that could happen to the Diocese of South Carolina would be for the emotions—the fury—of our church’s national leadership to get the better of their clear-headed strategy of allowing the Diocese to fracture and come apart at the seams. The most helpful and unifying and energizing thing for the Diocese of South Carolina would be for our Presiding Bishop, her legal advisor, and others to “give the Diocese her freedom” by attempting to rid themselves of the troublesome diocese in the most ham-handed of ways.
But could our church’s national leadership really be that foolish? Would they allow their feelings—intense as they were—to over-ride clear thinking and calculation? Perhaps not, I thought. Perhaps—through sheer force of will—our church’s national leaders had determined to simply allow the Diocese to die “from within”—or continue to raise a clamor, with no power whatsoever. As galling as it would be to hear the continuous clatter of a diocese which didn’t share the same faith as our church’s national leaders, surely that was the better part of wisdom, since there wasn’t actually anything that the Diocese of South Carolina could accomplish other than speak, albeit loudly.
Nevertheless, my stance has always been that ultimately, against all reason and strategy and wisdom, our Presiding Bishop and other advisors, along with multiple other revisionist activists on the disciplinary board, had to do what they did this week, because of who they are—they simply could not allow another entity to be so publicly and boldly differentiated from their own personal faith and agenda, and remain within The Episcopal Church. They did what they had to do, considering the level and force of their emotions—considering who they were. They were never going to be able to overcome the depth of their own bile, spite, vengefulness, and anger.
General Convention 2012 occurred—and the canons were changed yet again, this time to force parishes to consider cross-dressers as potential clergy, not to mention approving a vacuous temporary “rite” for blessing sexual relationships between two men or two women. My greatest personal concern was that the Diocese of South Carolina would simply leave TEC, because of the rank inconvenience of having to continually and loudly say “yes, yes, our denomination’s leadership as a whole does not share the same faith as our diocese’s, but we are willing to stay within it and harry and hound our leadership to the end, proclaiming our differences to the world.”
As I’ve been clear over the years, I believe that it is perfectly possible to remain within a corrupt and evil organization, and I believe that some are called to do so—until they are not. It is not intrinsically immoral to remain within a corrupt and evil organization, as long as one’s differences are made clear. [Indeed, there are some who are a part of China’s government, or Russia’s, or Cuba’s who are hiding within those governments and making no such public distinction—and they are doing good work.] And there were some who were a part of the highest levels of leadership of countries whose very nature was intrinsically religious: Daniel in Babylon and Joseph in Egypt are obvious examples, but there have been many more down through the ages, not to mention, of course, faithful Jews within a corrupt and evil Israel, century after century after century.
But my goodness, it’s a tough thing to carry forth—continually, over and over and over, maintaining one’s antithetical differences with the leadership of an organization, while maintaining a stressful, high-conflict position within such an organization.
Given the best possible option, my hope was that the Diocese of South Carolina would remain within TEC and continually and loudly assert its differences with our leadership and re-assert the Gospel, which they have done so well. My hope was that the leaders of our church would swallow their anger and do the wise thing, not seeking further fracture, and simply allowing the Diocese of South Carolina to continue as a tiny, irrelevant, and powerless minority.
The second best option—and “second-best” is poor phrasing, since it is indeed a historically tragic decision—was for The Episcopal Church’s national leadership to behave as it did on Monday, October 15, 2012 and attempt to rid themselves of their most active internal opposition by attempting to depose Bishop Lawrence on three charges, two of which had already been declared as invalid charges by a previous committee. Quite rightly, diocesan leadership had already decided in advance what its response would be to such an act; they rather cleverly had created a contingency action beforehand that was automatic, should our national church leaders behave so stupidly as they did. And so now, the Diocese of South Carolina, one of the oldest, thriving dioceses in The Episcopal Church, is gone.
The next steps are fairly obvious, since we’ve seen them enacted so many times now within The Episcopal Church. The Presiding Bishop will assert that she “no longer recognizes” the Standing Committee of the Diocese of South Carolina, and appoint her own potemkin crew as the “Standing Committee” of a faux “diocese” made up largely of the parishioners of the four revisionist parishes in the Diocese, and then attempt to freeze the Diocese of South Carolina’s funds. Then the lawsuits can begin—and along with that, many more millions of dollars, probably between $3-6 million over the next few years on the Diocese of South Carolina alone, all funded through portions of the pledges that Episcopalians give to their local parishes. [By the way, if you haven’t yet Written The Letter regarding future pledges, now is a perfect time to do so.]
With all of the above being fairly obvious, let’s go ahead and list the consequences of these latest actions of the national leadership of our denomination.
1) The Diocese of South Carolina—with the exception of the four revisionist parishes—is now beautifully unified and energized, and it didn’t have to make any kind of divisive or frightening decision regarding its future within The Episcopal Church. Its strategy was, after all, correct—it had but to wait for the leaders of our church to surrender to their fury and act against the Diocese by moving to rid our church of Bishop Lawrence, while having already pre-set a response from the diocese that would be triggered by the actions of the leaders of our church.
I am so proud of the Diocese of South Carolina and its leadership. They waited it out—against all the anathemas and castigations from both within and without The Episcopal Church—and their patience and discipline were rewarded with a buffoonish, ham-fisted, and petty action from the national church. They were strategic, and they were ready, without ever jumping the gun or leaving from mere inconvenience, hurt feelings, frustration, depression, or a simple desire not to fight anymore. They committed to the inconvenience, the hurt feelings, the frustration, the depression, and the fighting; they were willing to undergo anything but annihilation, and I honor that more than I can possibly describe.
They didn’t leave until the triggering action occurred—as was inevitable, considering who our leadership is and the depth and intensity of their emotions. The diocese suffered through a lot of grief and horror—but they never just “sat there and suffered” or whined, while wringing their hands. They were a bold and constant, public and differentiated witness within The Episcopal Church. They left it all out there on the field of honor, never wavering, always clear, always forthright. Nobody ever “wondered what the Diocese of South Carolina believed.” Everybody knew what they believed—and the Gospel was preached in our church, thanks to the Diocese of South Carolina.
And now, they will, by the grace of God, be a bold and constant witness outside The Episcopal Church.
2) Provinces all around the Anglican Communion will be aghast at further demonstrations of the consequences of our leadership’s particular customized foundational worldview and faith. It’s hard for me to imagine just how awful this will look to bishops, clergy, Primates, and laypeople in just about every Province of the Communion, from the Church of England, to the Middle East, to Nigeria, to Australia—for without any need or provocation, other than vengeful bile, the leadership of our church has managed to lose another diocese.
3) Conservatives, moderates, and even some old-fashioned liberals within The Episcopal Church will recognize this act by our church’s leaders for what it is: petty, controlling, angry, aggressively domineering, and very very stupid.
4) We will have very very interesting times in the Diocese of Upper South Carolina.
—We’re a very happy, unified state. We vacation at the beach, our parishioners are all connected by family and politics, we have relatives all over both dioceses, and—save for the 2/3 imported revisionist clergy in Upper South Carolina—there’s a sympathy for the lower diocese.
—Bishop Waldo is happily trampling towards instituting same-sex blessings in our diocese, using a heavily weighted revisionist “Unity Task Force” to rubber stamp the decision. It’s not going to go well, since there is absolutely no outcry for him to authorize the trumped up, tawdry rite that the General Convention approved in our diocese for the significantly less than 1% who are actually both a) gay and b) in a sexual relationship and wanting that particular sexual relationship to be recognized and approved of. Parishes will fracture over it, those moving to the area will recognize that the Diocese of Upper South Carolina is no longer a moderate option, and plenty of individuals will depart for happier Christian climes. I personally think that revisionists in the Diocese recognize those consequences as utterly predictable. So all the authorization of the rite by Bishop Waldo will ultimately accomplish is a further use of another bizarre form of diocesan and/or parish seppuku, of which there are obviously many varieties.
—But now . . . well, things are getting interesting. Because there’s going to be all sorts of pressure from national church apparatchiks for our diocese to recognize the faux “Standing Committee” and the faux “diocese” in the lower diocese and engage in joint liturgies and hand-waving meetings.
—And Episcopalians up here . . . and in East Carolina . . . and in Georgia . . . and in Northern Florida . . . and in other parts of the country, are positively salivating over the possibility of simply joining the Diocese of South Carolina, and asking that Diocese to act as a sending diocese for mission outreaches.
—If a group of parishioners up here should decide to plant a church, there’s nothing to prevent them from petitioning the Diocese of South Carolina to accept them as a parish or mission of the diocese, contingent within the congregation’s bylaws of the diocese not joining any alternate Anglican entity save a Province of the Anglican Communion. At that point, you’ve got an opportunity to found congregations and parishes that are allied with a single, functional, healthy Anglican diocese without the entanglements of being involved in various dysfunctional, unhealthy umbrella Anglican options. This has Gold Rush possibilities.
—Long term, the decision by our national church leaders to eliminate their opposition in the Diocese of South Carolina has utterly devastating implications for the Diocese of Upper South Carolina. Without a major miracle, and some kind of born-again conversion of revisionist clergy and bishop [akin to God pouring fire down from the heavens onto the soaked altars and burnt offerings to Baal], we will have a slow and determined migration—physically and/or ecclesially—between the two regions. Ultimately, because we don’t share the same gospel, the revisionists will end up together. And the conservatives will end up together. And that can only mean decline for Upper South Carolina over the long term as “the earth shifts under our feet.”
People go where there is health and wholeness—that is our nature and migration is inevitable. I could go parish by parish in my diocese and point out the hard cold facts. But there is no need to do that—we have but to watch in the coming years.
In one sense, this day is a very sad day. We’re seeing another massive fault line open up in The Episcopal Church—and another self-slaughtering act by our leaders. We’re seeing another diocese depart—like chunks of a melting ice floe detaching and drifting away. We’re seeing the gradual break up of a historic denomination—one that will always hold a very dear place in my heart. We’re seeing quite epic mistakes made that will feature huge consequences in money, time, energy, public relations, and ultimately identity and failure and death.
But in another sense, it’s a relief. Our church’s leaders are doing what they do, and “living into” who they are, at core. They are demonstrating their foundational worldview, their unique gospel, and its values and theology, to the entire world, Anglican and otherwise. It helps to see reality. It helps to have clarity.
Now—in consequence of our church’s decisions, other people get to make decisions—Primates, bishops, clergy, laity—in a continuous round of actions and reactions, behavior and consequences.
I am reminded of the Pharaoh and his armies—his pride and anger urging him forward into a foolish and dangerous situation as his armies pursued the Israelites. I wonder what those men felt as their chariot wheels sunk into the mud of the sea.
I wonder at what moment they recognized that they had made a series of terrible and foolish mistakes.
I don’t think this ends well for The Episcopal Church.
But God bless the Diocese of South Carolina!
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There is a joke about secular Liberalism: it is either a mental illness, or a religious cult. (Not that those are mutually exclusive.) However, the intersection of those two is a shared, Gnostic reality, not subject to inquiry. TEC is having trouble with the concept that their views are not universally accepted, and is trying to stamp out any opposition.
[1] Posted by APB on 10-18-2012 at 03:22 AM · [top]
What I’m looking forward to seeing is the attempt by 815 to create a new Standing Committee. I suspect that SC are ready for this and they will block in the courts any attempt by anybody to declare that it, and not the current leadership, are the Standing Committee of the Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina. This is going to be a lesson in reality for 815.
[2] Posted by Peter O on 10-18-2012 at 03:22 AM · [top]
Thanks Sarah for another great and well though out article! Your thoughts have paralleled my own in many ways. It is no surprise what has happened to the Diocese of South Carolina. I am one who thought this would have occurred years ago ........ much, much sooner- right after his consecration as our bishop. However, time has not played out that way. Instead, God’s timing is always better! Fortunately I am reading 1st and 2nd Samuel. How God prepared David over the years really strikes me given our current situation.
Don’t think it was just happenstance that Melinda Lucas is now the Chairman/President of the board for the Forum. No…. bet not. Should be interesting and we could have another lawsuit over the name here as well.
[3] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 07:44 AM · [top]
Sarah,
Interesting the role of Bishop Waldo that has in all this. I say that because Bishop Waldo was just here forMr]http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2012/oct/11/quick-farewell-nick-zeigler-ar-4734184”]Mr. Zeigler’s (former Chancellor of the DioSC) service [/url] last Thursday, October 11. I wondered…. why he showed up? A favor to Bishop Lawrence? Certainly he did not know Mr. Zeigler very well being so new to the state. NOW it makes sense, he was trying to place nice so he could be shown to be one of the nice guys… perhaps. He even greeted the choir before the service and asked about the music. A nice touch.
[4] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 07:58 AM · [top]
Blast! Please bring back the oreview function, Greg!
[5] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 08:00 AM · [top]
“...they would move to rid themselves of those with whom they were most angry, most outraged…”
There must be a guide book somewhere. This is a pattern of behavior at all levels of TEC. A parish or diocese with a viable orthodox minority will tolerate that minority only until the majority believes it has the ability to eradicate the minority. In this most recent, high level example, the clear absence of need is indeed quite telling.
Of course, we have all witnessed the accompanying shift in rhetoric at lower levels. I expect to see it here in the usual verbose, deceitful, and meretricious form.
Beforehand, the rhetoric is “we are a diverse group holding many different opinions, such as x or y…,” or “consider St _____, which holds a more traditional view of marriage, coexisting with the rest of us…”
Afterwards, the rhetoric shifts to “we are diminished by their departure,” “individuals may leave, but…,” “their views are characterized by their schism…,” “they are just like those who opposed women in leadership roles…”
[6] Posted by tired on 10-18-2012 at 08:02 AM · [top]
Maybe, someday, we in the upstate can partake of one true DSC more than once or twice a year.
[7] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 10-18-2012 at 08:11 AM · [top]
Sarah, one of the things which struck me was Bishop Waldo’s participation in the first “reconciliation” meeting after the abandonment certification but before its publication. Did he know? Will he feel some sort of betrayal over this? My initial reaction is that the more sensible revisionists (and from your description this may not include Waldo) will recognize the threat to anyone inherent in this action.
[8] Posted by Katherine on 10-18-2012 at 08:24 AM · [top]
It’s hard for me to know, Katherine.
My personal take on Bishop Waldo is that he’s a nice man, who desperately wants to institute a revisionist agenda in the diocese, without experiencing any bad consequences—in short, like around 70% of all the TEC bishops now [25% are not “nice men”]. ; > )
He’s also got a clergy problem—it’s a positive sea of incompetence, in regards to actual church growth, pastoral care [I could share stories that would curl your hair], evangelism, teaching and preaching skills, administrative competence, being able to read a simple budget and understand when the numbers “don’t quite add up,” and so on and so forth—coupled with a percentage of angry revisionists within that sea, bent on forcing their faith on the parishioners in the pews, come what may, and fail if they must.
The imports just aren’t “into parish survival”—they’re into instituting their ideology around the diocese. The problem is, once they leave—a wake of destruction behind them—the parishioners are left in the same town, the same diocese, the same parish, with the same people, and have to sift through the rubble.
Just one tiny taste of what we’ve gone through in the past 9 years.
I was on the phone with a parishioner yesterday. He shared with me the ASA stats for his parish—a completely unknown and disregarded parish out in the hinterlands of our diocese [that’s pretty standard, since other than five main cities, one is “out in the hinterlands” wherever one goes].
In 2005, when his highly regarded, older, kindly, moderately right of center rector went off to a graceful retirement, their ASA was 120—an incredible success considering that they had been through the 2003 General Convention and were in a teensy town [and I do mean teensy]. Under their somewhat extroverted, kindly, moderate interim, their ASA was 105. After two canons to the ordinary inflicted on this parish a three+ year search process—repeatedly forcing them to consider rabid revisionists AND deleting with no explanation scads of potential conservative Episcopal clergy, forcing them to initially be in a draconian “fast track process”—they were forced—*forced* to choose among two people or be declared “a parish in distress” which after three years of bullying and manipulation and bluster from two separate canons to the ordinary, they were beginning to be.
They chose, shall we say, badly.
Their ASA last Sunday was 69.
My level of intel now on the ground is so substantive that I could go through at least 4/5 of our parishes with similar stories.
I would say “it’s shocking”—but it’s TEC, so . . . not shocking at all.
Like I said in the article:
[9] Posted by Sarah on 10-18-2012 at 08:44 AM · [top]
Pewster, It may happen sooner than anyone planned IF ACNA can admit the Diocese of South Carolina as an entity. Don’t know if that is possible under the current ACNA c &c. Just don’t know.
[10] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 09:41 AM · [top]
Another masterful exposition, Sarah. May God, in His infinite mercy and love, enfold +Mark, the faithful clergy and congregants of DSC, and keep them under His Divine Mercy as they resist the minions and imps of TeO and 815.
Chip Johnson+, retired Anglican in SD
[11] Posted by Fr. Chip, SF on 10-18-2012 at 09:47 AM · [top]
Katherine# 8,
I had similar thoughts when I read of Bishop Waldo’s role in recent events. I too wonder if he will feel be betrayed or perhaps even stabbed in the back by KJS?? I don’t know. I was shocked when I read of his role. WOW! What a strategy by the national church to use a fellow bishop to try and do what??? Change Bishop Lawrence’s mind? To make him see the “error” of his ways ?
As I wrote, Bishop Waldo briefly greeted and talked to the choir before Nick’s service. He seems to be a nice person who can be truly interested in people and their ideas. How his theology will pay out in Dio USC, I am not sure…... I tend to agree with Sarah- this does not bode well for the “Upper” Diocese.
[12] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 09:49 AM · [top]
Great analysis as usual, Sarah. My admiration for Bishop Lawrence knows no bounds. What a blessing and example to the Church. A great and godly man and a truly great bishop. I think November the 17th should be a day of prayer for all Anglicans and orthodox Episcopalians for Bishop Lawrence and the diocese during their special convention.
[13] Posted by evan miller on 10-18-2012 at 09:59 AM · [top]
Hi Sarah,
As usual for you - clear analysis and good writing. From the beginning you and I have been in agreement with respect to the main thesis:
“are largely driven by rage, and that rage blinds them to reasonable, clear-headed decisions”
I have found, especially in the parish adult study time, it is extremely important for everyone to understand one basic biblical (spiritual and practical) principle -
the nature of evil is to always overeach in its seeking to destroy; but God has set the limits against which… although much suffering accompanies.
[14] Posted by carl+ on 10-18-2012 at 10:01 AM · [top]
Thanks, Sarah. Your analysis is scintillating as usual. It is too early to really tell the future of DofSC. But irrespective of whether it joins an Anglican group here in the US, I believe it has a magnificent opportunity to begin to evangelize outside its present borders, not just in the Upstate, but in both dioceses of GA, Florida, and all 3 dioceses of NC. The hunger for the true gospel among moderates and conservatives is so great, especially in the Southeast, as you know, that a Bishop with an entire diocese and all of its churches in tact, can easily meet that hunger by simply reaching out to them. Such a simple offer of welcome to a strong organization is much different that having to walk independently, setting up your own church, and finding a shepherd to guide and protect you. The fear of leaving the church you love and have loved all of your life is much assuaged by the welcome into an entire diocese with a settled Bishop, who just out of TEC. This is a tremendous opportunity for conservatives in the Southeast (maybe not all of Province IV, but a good bit of it), and I doubt that TEC understands that, or maybe even cares.
I’ll predict that the Anglican D. of SC will cover the entire State in 10 years (or less) with a membership of over 50,000 or more, and the TEC D. of Upper SC will be a shell of less than 5000 people by that time.
[15] Posted by Billy on 10-18-2012 at 10:08 AM · [top]
I hate to be wrong, and I would have been one of those predicting that TEC would do nothing about or to—clearly the rational strategy. I would have been on the other side among those Sarah knows interested in analysis, trending, forecasting and strategy. And I can say with due humility that the accuracy of my forecasts has been superb.
The explanation that immediately presents itself to the mind is Sarah’s—this is strong emotion—I believe Sarah called it Rage, I think perhaps something perhaps somewhere between hatred and contempt, that has led TEC to act irrationally.
But contrarian, that I am, I would like to proffer, hesitatingly, an alternate explanation. I will be happy to have it shot down—it will settle my mind to have it shot down. It might be called the “It Just Happened” explanation:
People from SC filed complaints against the bishop. Without prodding from +Schori, Beers, etc. The disciplinary committee considered them as they are required to do. They found against the bishop—not under orders, or as part of an 815 master plan, because they were required to make a finding, and honestly believe that the bishop’s chairing a meeting where a diocese frees itself from TEC canons is an abandonment of communion. (They clearly aren’t rational thinkers; the idea that granting quitclaim deeds in a state where the Dennis Canon has been found not to create a trust is an abandonment of communion is very weak.) It’s not a +Schori grand plan; it’s the natural outcome of a system where even those adjudicating complaints are lawless revisionists.
I’m not sure I buy this. Is their actual evidence of this being an 815 plan, as opposed op a reflection of the reality that TEC is packed with revisionists?
I am in agreement with sarah and others who have said that, whatever happens, South Carolina has conducted itself in an exemplary fashion. It may now leave the future to God, knowing that it has not been an unprofitable servant.
[16] Posted by Real Toral on 10-18-2012 at 12:30 PM · [top]
815 is chock-a-block with Stalinists, including and especially the loathsome Schori, and you’re surprised they are panting to purge dissent from their ranks? Nothing is more predictable.
The walls are closing in on them, and they need to find enemies and scapegoats for the coming implosion. It can’t possibly be their perfect plans and spotless concept of justice. It must be those deviationist Mensheviks, Trotskyites and Zenovievites in DioSC. Liquidation is the only answer.
[17] Posted by Jeffersonian on 10-18-2012 at 12:53 PM · [top]
One of your best, Sarah.
I share your surprise - I simply can’t wrap my head around it - that there are any conservatives who doubt what you rightly call the “amoral” fervor of the opposition. I hope after today such generosities can finally be put to rest.
[18] Posted by Phil on 10-18-2012 at 01:32 PM · [top]
#16, Real Toral,
Let me put your mind at rest. It was no accident. It was most definitely a deliberate effort to oust Bishop Lawrence. We just don’t know who *exactly* although I have my suspicions. Remember this is now time #3 that Bishop Lawrence has been charged with something- this time the word “abandonment” has been used. One of the first things I mentioned to Bishop Lawrence was to watch out for those forum people! I was not kidding.
I won’t say that this has been planned at 815 but I strongly believe they have encouraged some people in the diocese to bring charges against Bishop Lawrence. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that is true.
Yes, there is a lot of hatred and contempt but you would be hard pressed to get a revisionist to admit to it. They would prefer to say that the conservatives are the ones harboring hatred and contempt ..... not them. We all know better…... By their fruits you will know them.
[19] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 01:44 PM · [top]
I had the distinct privilege of attending a retreat led by Bishop Lawrence within the last month and the Lord could have picked no finer example of a brave and holy man to lead His people in South Carolina. I’ll be praying for them as the forces of evil rally to do them ill. I know they have prayed for us here in Ft. Worth and now it’s my turn to return the favor for them. God bless them at this time of turmoil.
[20] Posted by michaelc on 10-18-2012 at 02:13 PM · [top]
Somebody is keeping Wikipedia current.
“The Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina was a diocese of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America” (Emphasis mine)
[21] Posted by flaanglican on 10-18-2012 at 03:50 PM · [top]
Bishop Lawrence accuser’s have now gone public. As I thought, most are members of the Episcopal Forum, and they are headed up by the attorney who wrote to the Executive Council and asked it for an opinion—Melinda Lucka. There is also an ENS story here.
[22] Posted by A. S. Haley on 10-18-2012 at 03:54 PM · [top]
Sigh, yep as I expected too. I know four of these people as fellow parishioners. I am not surprised that Delores Miller and Francis Elmore are two of the accusers as they have been active in the Episcopal Forum. Barbara Mann is a recent President/Board chair of the Forum no surprise there. Not surprisingly there is no mention of this on the Episcopal Forum’s website.
[23] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 10-18-2012 at 04:22 PM · [top]
Excellent Ms. Hey, excellent! The comments I’ve read on revisionist sites bear out your observation regarding outrage (emphasis on rage) and bitterness. Brings to mind the braying of demons.
[24] Posted by Nikolaus on 10-20-2012 at 12:12 PM · [top]
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