March 29, 2017

November 15, 2012

We call it Title IV, tovarisch

Did they get it from TEC, or vice versa?

MOSCOW, Nov 14 (Reuters) - Russia enacted a new treason law on Wednesday, alarming opponents of President Vladimir Putin who fear he will use it to silence critics and - in a reminder of the Soviet past - put at risk almost anyone who associates with foreigners.

Now that sounds familiar,

“The episcopal defendants in the Fort Worth 7 case have been charged with fraud, financial misconduct and failing to inform on their fellow bishops who held opinions on church order contrary to those advocated by Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.”



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Perhaps they have been reading the same book: Despotic Totalitarianism for Dummies.

[1] Posted by Ralph on 11-15-2012 at 12:29 PM · [top]

LOL yes, Ralph.  It seems that small minds generate big laws.  Or narrow minds generate broad ones.

[2] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 11-15-2012 at 12:34 PM · [top]

Yeah, but as bad as TEC is, they historically haven’t sent folks to “re-eduation” camps or killed them outright.

Strange bit of trivia - when Stalin had some killed he would actually have them removed from photographs, etc. as if they never existed.  Chilling…

[3] Posted by B. Hunter on 11-15-2012 at 04:17 PM · [top]

RE: Yeah, but as bad as TEC is, they historically haven’t sent folks to “re-eduation” camps…

Yes, they have. They call them Episcopal seminaries! [with two notable exceptions.]

[4] Posted by Moving Forward on 11-15-2012 at 04:44 PM · [top]

Just to be clear, the Reuters piece is from this week.  It isn’t Stalin.  It’s Putin.  No mass camps, just a law to allow suppression by fiat.

[5] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 11-15-2012 at 08:58 PM · [top]

But Mr. Fountain - is it really that far from “law to allow suppression by fiat” to re-education camps?  My GPS says its just a mile or two down the road…

VERY slippery slope, no? 

So, is TEC getting more or less lawless over time?  What do you think will happen with Putin (or his successor)?

[6] Posted by B. Hunter on 11-16-2012 at 08:32 AM · [top]

#6 I hate to guess about Russian politics.  Question is always, will the people just shrug and go along fatalistically (tends to be the Russian way) or will there be demonstrations and reform? 

TEC is getting more insanely lawless all the time.

The challenge for the saints is now more inward than institutional:

“And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.”
(Matthew 24:12 ESV)

[7] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 11-16-2012 at 02:18 PM · [top]

Timothy Fountain:

It isn’t Stalin. It’s Putin. No mass camps, just a law to allow suppression by fiat.

Yes, and the parallels drawn between Mr. Putin and TEC can’t be too exact.

He was perfectly content to see members of a group called Pussy Riot hauled off to gulag for two years after they staged an impromptu “performance” in a Russian Orthodox Church that was considered profane and blasphemous.  (Rightly so, I think, although an ass whoopin’ from some of the babushkas present might have been a more appropriate response than a trip to prison.)  Vladimir was not amused.

If those same dear girls had pulled a stunt like that at the National Cathedral, Marianne Budde would have signed them up on the spot as liturgical dance experts.  There’s no way she would have called the cops.  And their efforts might have gone largely unnoticed if they tried it at St. John the Divine.  Mrs. Schori sure wouldn’t care, even if she did find out about it.

But as for this Title IV stuff, I think you may be on to something.  Let’s keep our eyes and ears open, shall we?  Some of our priests and bishops should probably stop answering the door if it’s after midnight and there’s a Black Maria with an Episcopal Church license plate parked outside. LOL

[8] Posted by episcopalienated on 11-16-2012 at 03:39 PM · [top]

Putin has been silencing his critics for years. It looks like he is finally bringing the law into line with his de facto practice.

[9] Posted by Roland on 11-16-2012 at 08:40 PM · [top]

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