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December 29, 2012

All Saints’, Pasadena (L.A.) - “The Unitarians would never have done that…”

Just had a phone chat with a friend back in SoCal.  This is a self-described “spiritual, not religious” sort who attended a Unitarian Church and has looked into Buddhism.  Also self-describes as a “liberal.”

Well, this friend recently attended liberal flagship All Saints’, Pasadena, home of Episco-types Ed Bacon, Susan Russell and so on.

The call went like this,

Friend: “So I went to All Saints’ a few weeks ago.”

Me: “What, Pasadena?”

Friend: “Yeah.  What the hell was THAT?”

Me: Yeah, they can be kinda weird. 

Friend: “No, really, that was friggin’ out there.  I mean, I’m liberal, but this was just ramming it down everybody’s throat the whole time.  Even the - whaddaya call it? LIE-tur-gee?  It was all politics.”

Me: Yeah, well…

Friend: I mean, the Unitarians would never have done that…

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No surprises there.

Tawdry and tasteless is a given.  But man, it’s pretty bad when it’s even beneath the Unitarians.

[1] Posted by Sarah on 12-29-2012 at 06:29 PM · [top]

one of my fellow CT Anglican friends refers to TEC as “Unitarians with nice vestments”.  he will LOL when he read this.

[2] Posted by elanor on 12-29-2012 at 06:55 PM · [top]

LOL! Now that is LOW when even the Unitarians do it better.  Not surprised at these Episcopagans at All Saints, Pasadena. Sigh….... just makes me realize how happy I am to not be part of that bunch anymore.

[3] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 12-29-2012 at 08:48 PM · [top]

“...Jesus’ central messages of justice, love and compassion.” The heart of the mission statement at All Saints.

[4] Posted by Fr. Dale on 12-29-2012 at 10:57 PM · [top]

now, of course, what we would really appreciate is a copy of their liturgy. Can anyone oblige? We know Susan R. reads us - Susan, could you share with us?

[5] Posted by David Ould on 12-29-2012 at 11:37 PM · [top]

Tim - makes 3’ of snow and -20F a little more tolerable eh?  wink 

Keep in mind zero percent income taxes in SD too….we don’t want you ever going back to SoCal…as bad as they need you there.

[6] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 12-30-2012 at 06:52 AM · [top]

#6 midwestnorwegian - LOL who do you think I am, Lane Kiffin?  Nah, I’m not leaving.  We are pretty well anchored (or whatever one does in land locked states) here. 

All Saints’ is an example of idolatry, plain and simple.  Worship of the self and one’s own opinions, elevating them to the place of God.

[7] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 12-30-2012 at 07:12 AM · [top]

Hey Tim+, Did you press your friend for details? Inquiring minds want to know.

[8] Posted by Blue Cat Man on 12-30-2012 at 08:56 AM · [top]

CT Anglican friends refers to TEC as “Unitarians with nice vestments”.

They need to check the Bad Vestment Blog to see what TEC clergy actually wear nowadays.

[9] Posted by tjmcmahon on 12-30-2012 at 11:45 AM · [top]

Tsk. Picking on poor Ed and Susan, and at Christmastide. Easy targets. Low-hanging fruit.

Gotta give ole Ed credit, though. He seems like a busy guy. The parish website reports, “His energies focus on leadership in anxious times; integrating family, faith and work systems; healthy spirituality; interfaith relations; economic justice; resistance to war; the abolition of the death penalty; eradicating varied expressions of bigotry, including genocide, and articulating the Christian faith in non-bigoted ways.”

And, the Rector has written a letter “to the President and congressional leadership calling on them to turn the national moment of mourning over the Newtown shootings into a national movement to end gun violence.”

[10] Posted by Ralph on 12-30-2012 at 01:32 PM · [top]

The difference is that Unitarians have been liberal for centuries.  They are secure in their identity, and they have nothing to prove.

Episcopal liberals have only been liberal for a few decades.  They are still testing the boundaries of the new freedom they feel to be heretical—consequently, they often do things that are over the top.

Ironically, this is like the contrast between “old money” and the noveau riche.  The old money folks feel no need to show off, while the newly rich flaunt their wealth to gaudy excess.  That is Episcopal liberalism in a nutshell.

[11] Posted by ToAllTheWorld on 12-30-2012 at 01:44 PM · [top]

Well, Ralph, there is a growing movement of people who think that bacon will save the world… LOL

[12] Posted by David Fischler on 12-30-2012 at 02:15 PM · [top]

I did not press for details.  I decided it would put a cloud over the afternoon.

[13] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 12-30-2012 at 03:08 PM · [top]

It’s a bit interesting that, while Unitarianism cites other sources as well, the roots of the sect in England and America are Anglican.  What goes around comes around…

[14] Posted by Nikolaus on 12-30-2012 at 04:28 PM · [top]

Tim+, I can understand it. No need to ruin a good day. 

#10, Dr. Munday. Good point about the Episcopagans vs the Unitarians. It will be interesting to see if the Episcopagan left ever settles down and feels less of a need to flaunt the liberal cause “du jour”.

[15] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 12-30-2012 at 05:11 PM · [top]

I guess All Saints is a gun free zone, but is it also a God-free zone?  This begs for a remake of the Hollywood classic with Carole Lombard and William Powell.  Ed and Susan could star in the new version and call it “My Man God-free.”  I guess when sorrow turns to sarcasm, you know you’re really over it.  Reminds me of the tee shirt being sold when the movie “Titanic” was all the rage.  It had a picture of the ship going down with the caption “it sank ... get over it.”

[16] Posted by Daniel on 12-30-2012 at 06:18 PM · [top]

The TEC would never declare themselves a god-free zone, because they know full well that when you declare a zone to be free of something, it tempts people to bring that thing in there.

[17] Posted by paradoxymoron on 12-30-2012 at 10:54 PM · [top]

I thought that the UUs came from Presbyterianism, which was an explicit rejection of Anglicanism.

[18] Posted by paradoxymoron on 12-30-2012 at 10:56 PM · [top]

#17. Interesting history- if you go to Wikipedia, Unitarians in the UK did start as dissenting Anglicans. In the US, they are an offshoot of the Puritans/Congregationalists.  Here is the quote which makes it quite clear Unitarians are not Christians.

As of 2006, fewer than about 20% of Unitarian Universalists identified themselves as Christian.[2]

[19] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 12-31-2012 at 08:38 AM · [top]

I call it the Metropolitan Church with vestments.

[20] Posted by DaveG on 12-31-2012 at 11:10 AM · [top]

One of the things that I just love about All Saints’ Pasadena is how they offer an “advocacy membership”—this is a method of affiliation with the political work of the church without either getting confirmed or joining the parish as a conventional member. Designed to be inclusive of non-Christians who otherwise find common cause in All Saints’ politics, it instead reveals the keystone of All Saints’ Pasadena: not unity in Christ Jesus, but unity in political advocacy.

I also love Susan Russell’s twitter photo of her shouting into a megaphone—this is Christian ministry for her. Not proclaiming Christ as a redemptive savior bringing reconciliation between God and man, but as an activist demonstrating for whatever “justice” is en vogue this week. If our righteousness proceeds from our advocacy, then watch out—we’ll be found woefully insufficient.

[21] Posted by Jeff Walton on 12-31-2012 at 01:20 PM · [top]

As I said, the Unitarians cite multiple sources for their sect.  However, in the American colonies “the first official acceptance of the Unitarian faith on the part of a congregation in America was by King’s Chapel [Anglican] in Boston, which ... revised the Prayer Book into a mild Unitarian liturgy in 1785.”  (clipped from Wikipeadia)

[22] Posted by Nikolaus on 12-31-2012 at 02:35 PM · [top]

Much of the spread of the Unitarian heresy derives from its takeover of Harvard College and Divinity School and subsequent corruption of many Congregational churches by graduates of that institution.

[23] Posted by Jim the Puritan on 12-31-2012 at 03:24 PM · [top]

My son who lives in Pasadena, but who is a member of another (more conservative) parish, attended All Saints once, and only once. He told me that the lady priest’s sermon was all about her ‘partner’, and that she only mentioned Jesus Christ in passing.  Sounds familiar.  I remember the former rector, George Regas handing out buttons that said: Ordain women, or don’t baptize them. they have gone down hill
from there.

[24] Posted by rdrjames on 1-4-2013 at 03:24 PM · [top]

Yeah, they started out as anti-Vietnam war and pro-Civil Rights, and they got addicted to the high, kinda like the MSM after Watergate.

[25] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 1-4-2013 at 03:54 PM · [top]

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