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May 25, 2013

Persecution or Statutory Rape?

If you’ve opened a news page somewhere in the free world this week, you’ve probably read the headlines:  Teen Girl Arrested for Same Sex Relatonship;  Florida Teen Arrested, Expelled for Same Sex Relationship to name but a few.  Catchy phrases like Free Kate - Stop the Hate have begun popping up.  MCJ points us to this article which pretty much sums it up: 

Talk like that is catnip to the libertine left, always eager to take a stand against sexual prudery and oppression – especially if evil religious types are involved.

What these headlines (and most of the reporting) lack is the fact that this is not about relationship.  It’s about statutory rape.

Contrary to what some articles would have you believe, this relationship did not begin when one girl was 15 and the other 17.  Some have suggested it would never have been a problem if the relationship had been heterosexual in nature.  Not true say the minor’s parents.

Another adult, a mother, came to me and said ‘Ms. Smith you need to know this…we told Miss Hunt to leave your daughter alone. But they are in a relationship, and she’s 18.’ 18? My daughter is only 14.
After being told to stay away from their daughter, Kate purportedly picked up the 14-year-old. Because the relationship apparently didn’t stop, despite the aforementioned warnings, the Smiths said they had no choice but to turn to the law.

Not surprisingly the mother of the 18 year old has a different outlook. 

Of course, I see it 100 percent differently. I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality – with mutual consent.

This Mom evidently has no problems with a 14 year old engaging in any kind of sex in the school bathroom with an 18 year old. 

You decide - are these parents religious zealots and hate-mongers?
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This story is very local to me, it happened in the County north of us.  According to the news the friendship began when one girl was 14 and the other 17.  It was after Hunt had turned 18 and while the younger one was still 14 that the sheriff’s office was called in.  This was back in February. The younger girl is now 15.

I don’t think the younger girl’s parents are hatemongers and the law makes no distinction based on the sexuality of the persons involved.  I think Hunt and her parents are wrong to view this as a being persecuted because of sexual preference.  Having said that I think the plea bargain (which was turned down) was very harsh and not comparable to other plea bargains that have been offered in similar cases. 

I do think there was mutual consent in this situation.  I would think otherwise if both were not school mates and fellow team members who became friends before this happened.  I do think a possible 15 year sentence is too much.  The plea bargain would have also meant a permanent felony on Hunt’s record. 

I am concerned that the 14 year old ran away from home to Hunt’s, which may indicate that Hunt and her parents tried to influence the younger girl to reject her parents’ values and authority.  Hunt’s parents should have insisted the relationship end when they found out the younger girl’s parents objected to it.

[1] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 5-25-2013 at 04:08 PM · [top]

PS,  If convicted Hunt may qualify under FS 943.04354 to have the Judge remove the requirement she register as a sexual offender.

[2] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 5-25-2013 at 04:31 PM · [top]

An age difference of 3+ years is not much between adults but is really significant in childhood and adolescence.  Parents from the beginning of time have sought to control adolescent sexuality with mixed results.  Part of the problem is that homosexual people are hypersensitive to any attitudes other than complete support.  We all are, but they seem more vocal about it.  The years between 14 and 18 are really hard, particularly for girls.  But my sympathy is with the parents of the younger child.

[3] Posted by TomRightmyer on 5-25-2013 at 06:24 PM · [top]

Of course, this case will be used by the pansexualists of every stripe to move their various agendas, publicize their ‘victimhood’ and normalize their preferred deviant sexual activity. 

The LBGTQIA group will claim exemption from evil laws that constrain sexuality of youth. 

The NAMBLA (in another guise) crowd will lobby to lower the age of consent and for children’s sexual rights.

Conservatives will be maligned and silenced in the best Alinsky fashion.

[4] Posted by St. Nikao on 5-26-2013 at 10:12 AM · [top]

(Sarc meter ON) Let’s face it, the writers of all those laws about age of consent knew nothing about how important it is for the LGBTQ to have an older mentor.

[5] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 5-26-2013 at 11:27 AM · [top]

The following website corrects many common misconceptions that have been promoted by the Hunt family (the parents of the girl charged) and their supporters.

However, one thing worth noting is that even if the older teen had been 17 when the relationship started, it still would have been a crime.  Under Florida law, neither a 14 year old nor a 15 year old can legally have sex with anyone of any age.

At anyrate, Kate’s parents are not doing their daughter any favors.  They should have kept it quite as possible, encouraged their daughter to take the plea bargin, and gotten her professionl couseling.  Instead they want the state to ignore its own laws because their daughter is a white, middle class attractive lesbian.

[6] Posted by AndrewA on 5-28-2013 at 02:04 PM · [top]

Incidently, I don’t think this should be treated as crime that is severe as, say, a 40 year old guy having sex with a 9 year old boy.  And under Florida law it isn’t. However, it should still be criminal, and I think the plea bargin that the Hunt family rejected was entirely fair and appropriate for the circumstances of the crime.

[7] Posted by AndrewA on 5-28-2013 at 02:07 PM · [top]

AA, you are correct—I spent my high school years in FL, and it was pretty clear that there were 2 ages of consent ....  16 and 18.  Under 16, it was all statutory rape.  16 and 17 year olds were not in legal hot water if they messed around with other 16 or 17 year olds, but once someone turned 18, all bets were off.  I don’t know how the older girl missed that if it was common knowledge in the early 80’s.

[8] Posted by elanor on 5-28-2013 at 05:49 PM · [top]

Here in California, the Penal Code is quite specific in saying that having sex with anyone under the age of 18 is statutory rape, and consensual sex makes no difference.  It is punishable by incarceration for up to 6 years and registration as a sex offender.

[9] Posted by cennydd13 on 5-28-2013 at 08:41 PM · [top]

It is worth noting that the Hunt family already rejected a plea bargin that would have kept Kaitlyn Hunt out of jail and off the sex offender registry.  Given that fact my sympathy for them pretty much ends. 

Her parents are frauds and liars who are not doing their daughter any favors.

As for the accounts the family is pressing charges because it is a same sex relationship: “The fact they are same sex has nothing to do with the law. It has nothing to do with why law enforcement investigated, and has nothing to do with why this charge was brought against her. She’s charged with 2 second degree felonies which carry up to 15 years in prison, and if found guilty and adjudicated she would be required to register as a sex offender.” 

Kate’s family told us they did not want their daughter’s life to be ruined with the label of a sex offender, but Colton said that also is not true, and the plea agreement strictly states she would not be labelled a sex offender.

“Under the plea agreement we agreed we would ask for no more than two years of community control. Under community control she would be free to go to work, free to go to school, free to go to church, free to go to the doctor,” Colton said.

“This would be some guarantee to their family that this girl would have to stay away from their daughter at least until their daughter turned 18 and was old enough to make decisions on her own. The parents of the victim are not pushing for her to go to jail or go to prison. But they feel she should be held responsible in some way other than just probation,” Colton said. “I can understand the parents being upset their 14-year-old was involved with an 18-year-old, regardless of whether that 18-year-old was a male or a female—I can understand them being upset.” 

Protestors told us the victim’s parents waited until Kate was 18 to file charges, a claim the sheriff and State’s Attorney also shot down today.

“The misinformation on the social media sites indicates law enforcement purposely waited until miss hunt turned 18—that’s not true—Miss Hunt was 18 in early August,” said Sheriff Loar, “The victim was 14, and has been and was 14 throughout that whole ordeal.” 

New evidence released today shows Facebook messages to the victim from Kate, stating she knew she’d get in trouble for dating a girl so young.

“Before Miss Hunt was arrested there were conversations on social media that she knew she was 18 and she knew what she was wrong with a younger person,” Loar said. “I think you must look at all the facts involved.” 

[10] Posted by AndrewA on 5-29-2013 at 12:18 PM · [top]

Updates to this story.

After being arrested and let out on bail, then 19 year old Kaitlyn Hunt violated a court order to have to contact with the victim by sending her thousands of text messages plus sexually explicit pictures and videos of herself to the victim.  Kate’s mother also sent text messages to the victim in violation of court orders, trying to keep her from testifying. 

“It is apparent from the defendant’s past and present patterns of behavior that she does not care that two circuit judges have ordered her to stay away from her victim. She has covertly contacted her victim thousands of times, had continued intimate contact with her victim, threatened to blame her victim if her own misconduct is discovered, instructed her victim on what to say to the prosecutor, solicited her victim to lie for her, and in general sought to obstruct the judicial process. She has sent numerous lewd and lascivious images and videos to the child victim, images that are by definition “harmful to minors” per Florida statutes. As if her misconduct were not egregious enough, her mother has solicited the victim to cover up the defendant’s misconduct by destroying evidence. It is apparent that the misconduct of both the defendant and Kelley Hunt Smith is severely threatening the integrity of the judicial process”

This resulted in her bail being revoked and being sent back to jail.

Kaitlyn Hunt accepted a third plea bargain offer on October 3, and was jailed until December 20th.  She is now out on probation

[11] Posted by AndrewA on 1-30-2014 at 08:15 AM · [top]

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