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June 29, 2013

TEC NYC Gay Disco Mass

St. Mark’s in the Bowery is offering a Gay Pride Disco Mass.  That’s their title, not snark on my part. 

“We need to always find a way to do that, to mix spirituality with fun. We are all part of God’s rainbow.”

There’s even a disco ball hanging in the church.

But it’s not irreverence or aesthetics that hit me hardest.  It’s this:

“The service invokes the community feel of the era of gay liberation before AIDS…”

How did AIDS invade the community? Through the public and promiscuous excess posing as “liberation.” 

Now, I’m not representing that the current event at St. Mark’s goes beyond dancing.  In fact, one of the leaders of the event seems to say that they are trying to recapture the social fun without the risky behavior that poisoned it,

Jeannine Otis, who was resident Diva at the 2010 Disco Mass at St. Mark’s believes that disco music has played an important social role in the history of LGBT people. In a video about the Disco Mass she explained how, especially after AIDS, disco “became the basis of bringing everybody together with a lot of love, bonding—and fun.”

But the mythic dimension of it is disturbing.  Their priest posits a golden age that was ravaged by some strange, alien force.  There’s no contemplation of the golden age as counterfeit; some gold leaf on a baser metal, degraded by impurities within.

Proverbs 26:11 is harsh, but it is so accurate to our human capacity to not learn from our failures,

Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.

St. Peter quotes this very Proverb in describing… well, I’ll let you fill in the parallels:

For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”  (2 Peter 2:18-22)


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The 70s and 80s were all about loving, stable, monogamous relationships in the LBGTQXYZ communities and nothing about total sexual abandon and promiscuity.

The spread of AIDS had nothing to do with the gay “lifestyle.”  It was Ronald Reagan running around injecting innocent homosexuals with the AIDS virus while they were snuggling with their monogamous partners at night.

[1] Posted by Bill2 on 6-29-2013 at 04:08 PM · [top]

A bit of Donna Summer should certainly set the mood for this event:

Yeah, will you be my Mr. Right?
Can you fill my appetite
I can’t be sure that you’re the one for me
But all that I ask is that you dance with me
Dance with me, Dance with me, yeah

Oh I need you, by me,
Beside me, to guide me,
To hold me, to scold me,
‘Cause when I’m bad
I’m so, so bad

So let’s dance, this last dance
Let’s dance, this last dance
Let’s dance’ this last dance tonight

Then they can “do a little dance, make a little love and get down tonight.”

[2] Posted by Ralinda on 6-29-2013 at 06:34 PM · [top]

It’s worth saying that the same promiscuous culture was/is present with straights.  Gays didn’t “cause” all this mess, but they shouldn’t be making it into something to celebrate, either.

[3] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 6-29-2013 at 09:31 PM · [top]

- A regular Sunday at St. Gregory of Nissa in SF
- The clown mass at Trinity NYC
- A homosexual pride disco mass St. Mark’s in the Bowery
- Black mass

Merely outward and visible signs that the devil is present and active in the world. Always good to have reminders of that.

[4] Posted by Ralph on 6-30-2013 at 05:58 AM · [top]

Note – the video did not pan to the congregation. Because there isn’t one. Like most services of the Episcopagan freak show, there are far more people in the cast than in the crew.

[5] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 6-30-2013 at 06:31 AM · [top]

Don’t forget, there is a bishop somewhere allowing this to go on.  A bishop who took some very serious oaths before God.  Read the letters to the churches in Ch 2 and 3 of the Book of Revelation.  Probably not a good ending for all this.

[6] Posted by Capt. Father Warren on 6-30-2013 at 06:46 AM · [top]

No Timothy [3], it is something to celebrate if they were being “true to their authentic selves.”  Isn’t that what being an Episcopalian is all about these days?  Indulging in whatever appetite is on the top of the day’s list?

[7] Posted by Bill2 on 6-30-2013 at 08:04 AM · [top]

Bill2 afraid you’re right.  Actually all of the comments on this post are on target.

[8] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 6-30-2013 at 12:32 PM · [top]

When you include one of the 7 deadly sins in the title of your “Christian” worship service, it’s time to roll up the rug and close shop.

[9] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 6-30-2013 at 02:20 PM · [top]

Their ASA has doubled over the past 6 years from 42 to 85 which just goes to prove that they do return to their own emesis.

[10] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 6-30-2013 at 03:41 PM · [top]

#6 writes, “Don’t forget, there is a bishop somewhere allowing this to go on. A bishop who took some very serious oaths before God.”

True that.

God ordains, but if said bishops had their fingers crossed while taking those oaths, absolutely nothing happened. And if not, then said bishops, by their actions, have de facto have resigned their orders.

[11] Posted by Ralph on 7-1-2013 at 10:38 AM · [top]

That bishop should be exposed and his actions should be condemned, but this won’t happen, will it?

[12] Posted by cennydd13 on 7-1-2013 at 11:48 AM · [top]

I was at GTS way back in the mid-80s, and St. Mark’s in the Bowery was doing whatever it wanted liturgically way back then.

Bishops of New York, to the best of my knowledge, are fine as long as they espouse the party line and run scared (and out of town) if they won’t.

[13] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 7-1-2013 at 12:37 PM · [top]

“That bishop should be exposed and his actions should be condemned…”  You are very much correct, but the crux of the problem is, to whom, by whom?  There’s no one to report him to and no one to reprimand him!

[14] Posted by ADaniel on 7-1-2013 at 04:47 PM · [top]

Looks like the bishop has other problems

That, at least per the link in the article, is the school of the same Cathedral of St John the Divine noted for its rock star birthday parties, and as a mecca for the inclusively inclined.

[15] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-1-2013 at 07:41 PM · [top]

To clarify my own #15- the article mentions the cathedral, not the past activities, but I imagine you could find those references with a quick search of SF archives.

[16] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-1-2013 at 08:39 PM · [top]

5 words come to mind: “Burn baby, burn. Disco inferno.”

[17] Posted by Festivus on 7-2-2013 at 01:01 PM · [top]

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