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August 14, 2013

Too many “So Wrongs” in this Rite

An Antiochian Orthodox Priest rips into a smug HuffPo report of a New York gay wedding.

The story is a parfait of wrongs.  The Orthodox Priest, Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, takes it apart from an Orthodox theological perspective.  But one need not debate gay marriage to be disgusted with the rude, irreverent antics that went into the service,

The original HuffPo piece (quoted at the Orthodox blog) crows about this being the first gay wedding in the Eastern Orthodox Rite.  Except that it wasn’t celebrated in an Orthodox Church, or by an Orthodox Priest.  It was put on by a sexually active gay Lutheran (ELCA) pastor at his Manhattan church.

The couple are from Indiana, and came to New York to take advantage of liberal gay marriage laws.  Probably to return home and find a lawyer to impose their stuff on their neighbors.

The seemingly dominant partner was (need I say this?) on his way to ordination in The Episcopal Church, but left for some fringe Episcopal group (can there be such a thing?) because TEC wasn’t authoritarian enough in cracking down on Biblically faithful clergy.  I kid you not.

Anyway, it’s making me sick to comment more on this pile of steaming hate.  Yes, it’s an act of hate.  A narcissist (maybe two - I didn’t get much of a read on the lesser partner) sticking his/their finger(s) in as many Christian eyes as possible.

When it comes to gay activism and liberal Christianity, it’s sometimes hard to see where neurotic leaves off and just plain evil takes over.

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There’s a whole lot of strangeness going on in this one.

I had not heard of “The Open Episcopal Church” which claims to “present a viable alternative to the growing tide of fundamentalism…”, and claims to have an Apostolic and Anglican heritage. In fact they think of themselves as a chip off the old block.

From their web page,

“The Open Episcopal is not in any way fundamentalist.

Imagine if you will a thunderbolt of lightning striking a huge granite rock which shatters. Both parts are still true granite even though one of those pieces be so much larger. And who dare say that the larger piece of granite has the right to say it is the ‘true’ granite because of its enormity. Is not the smaller fragment truly granite also?”

(Not if that was not a solid rock but was in fact a loosely held together conglomerate)

Things keep getting curiouser and curiouser…

[1] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 8-14-2013 at 12:55 PM · [top]

My Vestry just passed a resolution stating that the Son is a creation of the Father - there was a time when he was not!

We proudly announce that we are Anglicanism’s first official statement of Arianism!

[2] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 8-14-2013 at 01:45 PM · [top]

RE: “When it comes to gay activism and liberal Christianity, it’s sometimes hard to see where neurotic leaves off and just plain evil takes over.”

Meh—I mainly think it’s madly narcissistic, small-child exhibitionism, and plain-old affectation and pretension.  I just can’t give them enough credit be “plain evil” [though of course, we’re all evil as fallen creatures].

A small child who parades around in a bishop hat and proclaims that he’s a bishop with batman-powers is not necessarily “plain evil”—just silly.  Gay guys doing something similar are probably silly and malevolently embittered and thus spiteful—but mostly silly.

[3] Posted by Sarah on 8-14-2013 at 02:42 PM · [top]

A thunderbolt of lightning… interesting. I guess that’s something we could pray for…

[4] Posted by Tom S. on 8-14-2013 at 03:04 PM · [top]

TF ... and this resolution went unchallenged ??

[5] Posted by Reformed Catholic on 8-14-2013 at 03:21 PM · [top]

Reformed Catholic - you realize that my #2 is a parody, right?  I’m mocking the way the gay couple got an ELCA pastor to whip out an EO rite for their “marriage,” then announced a first in the history of Orthodoxy.  It’s like some podunk vestry making an absurd declaration, then announcing they’ve established history for the Anglican Communion.

[6] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 8-14-2013 at 03:32 PM · [top]

Oh heck! Now everyone will want to do this thing with wedding crowns and the threfold march around the table!  And i had hoped we Orthodox would be able to have at least ONE THING we could keep to ourselves!  what will be next? Threefold immersion of the whole body at baptism, the anointing of chrismation, confession before communion?

[7] Posted by rdrjames on 8-14-2013 at 04:13 PM · [top]

It goes without saying that the whole event was a pile of non-sense, not designed to be a serious ceremony but merely to thumb their noses as their former tradition. 

On another note I’ve greatly appreciated Fr. Andrew’s podcasts and found them to be immensely helpful in my own journey.

[8] Posted by Nikolaus on 8-14-2013 at 07:38 PM · [top]

You had me going for a second, Fr. Timothy, but I’m easily confused.

Actually, the whole thing reminds me of those Roman Catholic womenpriests popping up all over the place. Defying the big bad rule-makers and all that.

[9] Posted by Words Matter on 8-14-2013 at 08:52 PM · [top]

Re [1]  What if a thunderbolt of lightning hit an enormous marshmallow?

[10] Posted by Don+ on 8-14-2013 at 08:57 PM · [top]

#10 wouldn’t it look a lot like this?


[11] Posted by B. Hunter on 8-14-2013 at 10:46 PM · [top]

Re [11]  B. Hunter that was great,,,,“terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought.”

[12] Posted by Don+ on 8-15-2013 at 09:00 AM · [top]

If you root around on the “Open Episcopal Church” long enough you will find a statement that it claims Old Catholic orders - probably though not stated from one of the many people consecrated by Bishop Mathew.  The best source for this succession if H.R.T. Brandreth’s _Episcopi Vagantes and the Anglican Church_.  Some of them ore “Liberal Catholics” whose theology is Theosophist.  Fancy vestments but no discernible connection to any historic church.

[13] Posted by TomRightmyer on 8-17-2013 at 07:20 PM · [top]

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