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August 29, 2013


Federal Court Says Pastor May Be Sued for Aiding Anti-Gay Agenda in Uganda

In a decision that is completely unprecedented under American law, Judge Michael A. Ponsor of the Federal Distict Court for the Springfield Division of Massachusetts has denied a motion to dismiss a complaint brought against Pastor Scott Lively by Sexual Minorities Uganda, a foreign association of LGBTIs based in Kampala. The attorneys for the plaintiff are being furnished, presumably gratis, by the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City, an organization which boasts that it “use[s] daring and innovative legal strategies which have produced many important precedents. CCR is often ‘ahead of the curve’ in both identifying a problem and in suggesting novel or radical legal responses which, over time, become accepted and respected precedents and theories.” (CCR acknowledges receiving substantial financial support from far left-wing donors such as George Soros’ Open Society Institute and the Bertha Foundation.

The novelty and extreme reaching of Judge Ponsor’s decision is difficult to grasp and appreciate on first reading through its 79 pages. It reads on the surface like a normal judicial decision, citing authorities and precedent to support what it purports to decide. What is most glaring about its conclusions of law, however, is what the decision does not spell out it is doing:

  • Judge Ponsor relies upon the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (“ICC”) for his definitions of “persecution” and “crime against humanity”, which the complaint alleges Pastor Lively aided and abetted by his support for the anti-gay actions and agenda of members of Uganda’s government. However, the United States has never ratified the Rome Statute (President Clinton signed it, but never submitted it to the Senate for ratification), and does not recognize it as binding law. (The Obama Administration cooperates with the ICC on specific prosecutions which it deems advance its interest.)

  • Judge Ponsor acknowledges that no current international treaty or compact, including the Rome Statute, makes discrimination against persons on account of their sexual orientation expressly subject to its terms, but finds wiggle room in various “savings clauses” of those documents (which allow, e.g., “other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law”) for his holding that such discrimination in Pastor Lively’s case by Ugandans against Ugandans could amount to a “crime against humanity”.

  • Judge Ponsor holds that Pastor Lively, who visited Uganda twice in 2002 and then not again until 2009, could be regarded as a “co-conspiratorwith a member of the Ugandan legislature who introduced proposed legislation against homosexual behavior (the bill never passed). The opinion recognizes that had Pastor Lively been instrumental in proposing legislation to the Massachusetts legislature, he would have been protected by the First Amendment right to petition his government—but since he advocated for the legislation in Uganda, he can be charged with “aiding and abetting crimes against humanity.”

  • Judge Ponsor also holds that Pastor Lively may be held responsible in Massachusetts for the alleged anti-gay sentiment aroused in Uganda by his authorship of two books published in the United States in 2007 and 2009 and describing and attacking the gay rights agenda in the United States, even though the plaintiff organization could not allege that any Ugandan police or government officials who implemented that country’s own anti-gay agenda against its members had actually read either book.

  • In a final reach, Judge Ponsor declines to apply Ugandan law to the offenses of civil conspiracy and negligence alleged in the complaint—because Uganda does not recognize the tort of civil conspiracy, while Massachusetts does, and because the concept of “duty of care” under Ugandan negligence law was unclear. Recognizing that the plaintiff could not sue Pastor Lively in Uganda for these offenses, Judge Ponsor throws open the doors of his courtroom so that the plaintiff will have a forum for its grievances.

This decision, of course, is not the final word in Pastor Lively’s case; it finds only that the plaintiff has stated a claim under international and Massachusetts law, so that its case may proceed to the discovery stage. But it serves as a harbinger of the activist agenda that gradually is using our judicial system (which is all too eager, in many cases, to be so used) to achieve the laws and rights it is unable to enact through the ballot box.

There is much more information about the parties and the court proceedings to date at this page, and you can download all of the important documents to date at this page. Further background is in the articles here, here and here. The New York Times ran an article in January 2010 about the conflicts caused by the proposed Ugandan legislation and its supporters from America which you may read here.


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Ahh, yes, there’s that ‘International Criminal Court’ again.  Excuse me, but isn’t this the same ‘International Criminal Court’ that the United States has failed to recognize as having any jurisdiction over American citizens?

[1] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-29-2013 at 11:52 PM · [top]

After checking my Wikipedia facts, I found that the United States signed but DID NOT RATIFY the agreement creating the ICC, and is therefore not a party to it, so how could Judge Ponsor arrive at his decision in this case?

[2] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-30-2013 at 12:13 AM · [top]

Cennydd,
As I read Mr. Haley, he seems rather flummoxed by the judge’s reasoning over the Rome Statute as well.  As I recall, the politics of the time were pretty obvious- there was no way on earth the US Senate was going to subject its own members, or a US President, to war crimes trials every time we launched a cruise missile or sank a pirate ship without a UN mandate. I think Clinton ran the idea around the room, realized that most of his own party wouldn’t support him, realized he, himself, might end up in the dock over Somalia or this or that “international incident”, and quietly put the thing in his pocket and forgot all about it.

Now, under the judge’s reasoning, could not a Ugandan court demand the judge be extradited for using a form of extortion to influence the government of Uganda?

[3] Posted by tjmcmahon on 8-30-2013 at 06:44 AM · [top]

If I remember correctly, the CCR has been a big advocate of the “lawfare” approach to aiding and abetting enemies of the United States that Andrew McCarthy has written about extensively. Their taking on this case–an obvious attempt to bankrupt Pastor Lively even though there is no possibility of their winning the case, as a way of discouraging others from following his course of action in the future–is a clear extension of that practice to international gay rights advocacy.

[4] Posted by David Fischler on 8-30-2013 at 07:02 AM · [top]

So therefore, lotsa luck to the international gay community in trying to collect from Pastor Lively, because they’ll never get a dime, while in the process, they’re making themselves look ridiculous for even suggesting that he could be sued in the first place!

[5] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-30-2013 at 08:23 AM · [top]

This is so surreal that it took Salvadore Haley himself to explain it to me in such a way that I could even vaguely appreciate all the nuances.

[6] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 8-30-2013 at 08:57 AM · [top]

Sad that Pastor Lively is being subjected to this sort of abuse by a US Court.  Praying for him.

[7] Posted by B. Hunter on 8-30-2013 at 12:07 PM · [top]

Some other Federal judge needs to take this Federal judge aside and tell him that since the United States never ratified the agreement creating the International Criminal Court, this country doesn’t recognize that court’s authority to try Americans, and therefore he should go pound sand…..and ditto to the CCR.

[8] Posted by cennydd13 on 8-30-2013 at 01:48 PM · [top]

This makes state laws attempting to outlaw the application of any foreign law in state courts look not quite as paranoid as the media paint them.

[9] Posted by Katherine on 8-30-2013 at 08:41 PM · [top]

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