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December 27, 2009

What Anglican Gospel-Teachers Can Accomplish

Holy Trinity Brompton is now taking empty cavernous COE parishes and filling them up with people—sort of a “reverse church planting” work—reversing time and decline, in a sense.

That work is being resisted by revisionist bishops who don’t want competition for their own failing liberal parishes.

Check out what Holy Trinity is doing at St. Peter’s Brighton.  Here’s a word from the vicarAnd here’s a bit about the attention that they pay to pastoral care.

Here’s a staff introductory video:

There’s no reason for Anglican parishes to be declining, dying, and closing.  There’s nothing wrong with the Anglican expression of the gospel.  There’s merely something wrong with people who don’t believe the gospel purporting to lead Anglican parishes.


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shifting schools, jobs and homes to be in on this

Wow, that is challenging.  People so caught up in the work of Christ that they “leave everything” to go do it.  Yes, it takes leaders who believe the Gospel - but this is an awesome testimony to the kind of “fellow workers” who are their companions.  Again and again, we see the New Testament model of the body doing Christ’s work.  But you are right - each part of the body must be functioning properly and it will be crippled by faithless “leaders.”
And the pastoral report is wonderful - and a biting rebuttal to those who keep slandering orthodox Christians as monochrome, intolerant, etc. etc.

[1] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 12-27-2009 at 12:18 PM · [top]

As I was watching this I thought, “Wow, the energy, hope and zeal these young folks have.” I was a bit convicted by this but I believe the Lord assured me that there is a place for a less energetic late bloomer like myself also.

[2] Posted by Fr. Dale on 12-27-2009 at 01:31 PM · [top]

Brings tears to my eyes.
Amazing - wonderful - blessed

[3] Posted by Ian Montgomery on 12-27-2009 at 02:30 PM · [top]

Looks like there was a bit of a dust-up over the comment in the video that Brighton is dubbed the most godless city in Britain. From the Press Complaints Commission:

Complainant Name: Reverend Archie Coates

Publication: Daily Express

Complaint: Reverend Archie Coates complained, through Swan Turton solicitors, that an article inaccurately stated that he had “branded” Brighton as the “most godless city in Britain”.

Resolution: The complaint was resolved when the newspaper published the following apology:

Our article of October 17 headed “Priest brands resort ‘most godless in UK’ incorrectly attributed the quote to Rev. Archie Coates, vicar of St Peter’s, Brighton. In fact he said that it had been dubbed that by others. The report that he had been reprimanded for the comment was therefore unfounded. We apologise to Rev. Coates for any embarrassment to Rev. Coates for any embarrassment our article may have caused him.

I wonder what the most godless city in America is.

[4] Posted by Chazaq on 12-27-2009 at 04:17 PM · [top]

This is so cool! God Bless them in their ministry!!!!

[5] Posted by texaspiper on 12-27-2009 at 05:11 PM · [top]

I wonder what the most godless city in America is.

I wonder, too.  My initial guess would be LA followed by NYC.  But further thought says these days it’s probably DC.

[6] Posted by Goughdonna on 12-27-2009 at 06:27 PM · [top]

That work is being resisted by revisionist bishops who don’t want competition for their own failing liberal parishes.

I see nothing above to tell me more details about this?

[7] Posted by Martin Reynolds on 12-27-2009 at 07:22 PM · [top]

There’s no reason for Anglican parishes to be declining, dying, and closing. There’s nothing wrong with the Anglican expression of the gospel. There’s merely something wrong with people who don’t believe the gospel purporting to lead Anglican parishes.


[8] Posted by Kevin Maney+ on 12-27-2009 at 07:25 PM · [top]

Oh, there’s something wrong with them, alright!  Just don’t try to tell them that there’s something wrong with them!

[9] Posted by Cennydd on 12-27-2009 at 08:09 PM · [top]

But further thought says these days it’s probably DC.

Hey!!  mad


Washington, DC African-American community has a vibrant faith (though mixed with more liberal politics but will say Jesus is Lord), Korean communities have a enviable faith community, those of European decent are doing our best to reach DC with the Gospel, not just to those who look like ourselves but for all. However, those who look much like ourselves often have a hardness of heart. Remember most of what you think is DC, well ... isn’t, all the political only make up about a few thousand in a city of millions, still those who look “fine people would like to have in church” just do not believe in Christ.

This video scares me a bit. Not for what other folks are listing, I think the Christanee code words of “re-evangelize” Brighton should hopefully put many at ease, but the “trendiness” on the video scares me.

I really do have an issue with those who are so quick to violate Article 34 and through tradition to the wind, as if a public display of rebellion is to be commended or as if the individual is to be so highly regarded (isn’t that exactly what happen in Gen 3?)—While God’s gifting (the usual excuses for elevation of the individual) is to be honored, in context of the whole of Christendom [thinking maybe here of an Orthodox icongrapher maybe a good model of submitted individualism]. Then again the so-called “traditional” methods have failed this city.

So oddly my point maybe pointed back towards those who view worship as I do. While I hope they bend their knee to the breath of Christianity living and triumphant, I am challenged in my heart if Jesus is big enough to work with the so-called “emergent church” to bring people to Himself and whip them into shape.

I do hope their next video is not so “positive” and filled with what REM called ‘Shinny happy people’ but this beat-up, tired-looking but faithful servants, then we’ll all know Jesus get then glory!!!

[Give former rector a few years and my current one also, then they too might appear the same, at which point they will just begin to be truly useful for Jesus, for we’ll all know it couldn’t be them!!]

[10] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 12-27-2009 at 09:21 PM · [top]


Is there a clearinghouse for planters like this, in North America? 


[11] Posted by Elder Oyster on 12-27-2009 at 09:34 PM · [top]

Just excellent.
Way to keep their eyes open to Kingdom opportunities.

[12] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 12-28-2009 at 01:37 PM · [top]

Thanks for the encouraging message Sarah. We need to know the positive news about what the Lord is doing. The liberals and their media will try to only let us know the bad news.

[13] Posted by MichaelA on 12-28-2009 at 09:56 PM · [top]

I think a lot of people in the Church of England are watching this with interest, from all over the place.  Most of us are keen on producing growth and renewal, and that includes many in the hierachy.  HTB is something of which most of us are proud and wish every success to, and that includes the Bishops of London and the Archbishop of Canterbury.  Jane Williams lectures at the theological college founded by HTB.

There are a few problems which HTB has experienced with diocesan pipsqueaks who apparently know better how to grow churches and HTB’s needs than they do and who have blocked their plans to expand locally in London.  Hopefully now that the appeal against planning permission denial for St Mark’s Mayfair has been lost by the company who wanted to splash lots of water around in this Grade 1 listed building, the diocese will finally get behind the plans of the most successful church in the CofE to return its massive space to use by HTB, rather than obstructing them in every way they can:

As for St Peter’s, the model of church plants is well tried in London, but this is the first plant outside so hopefully they will do well.  So far the signs are good and reports are very positive.

Yes, they are young and exhaustingly enthusiastic - but then so were the Apostles, I expect.  Prayers for their success and for a model perhaps for regeneration of interest in the CofE which can be rolled out further in the future.

[14] Posted by Pageantmaster ن on 12-29-2009 at 08:23 PM · [top]

Here for Hosea6:6 is the second video - the BBC news report on the opening:
No sign of being less positive I am afraid H6:6, but 20 original St Peter’s stalwarts have been joined by 400 shiney happy people, and maybe now have some chance of putting the place back into repair.

[15] Posted by Pageantmaster ن on 12-29-2009 at 09:33 PM · [top]

LA the most godless city:  tons of ethnic groups in LA and they go to church. 
I’d say that the most godless city in the USA has to be up here in the NE: full of young and sneering Dawkins clones, some university town, like Boston, maybe.

[16] Posted by paradoxymoron on 12-30-2009 at 11:06 AM · [top]

If I remember my census stats from the last go-round, the officially most godless* city in the US is Seattle, which I believe has the lowest number of church attenders per capita of any major metropolitan area (and is too far north and too expensive to have had a large enough influx of Hispanic immigrants to raise the numbers).

*I am going to officially object to the use of the phrase “most godless city” here, despite having used it myself in the previous paragraph. There are NO Godless cities in America (or anywhere else)... only places where people don’t believe in God.  I can announce to the world that I don’t believe that eating strychnine will hurt me, but it won’t make me less dead. I can equally announce that I don’t believe that there is a God, and it will have a similar effect on reality.

Of course, for awhile there was some doubling-up in Seattle’s “actual attendance” numbers,back when the priest in charge of “Christian formation” (into what, we must ask)  at the Cathedral of St Mark was discovered to be a practicing Muslim on the side, thus getting to check two boxes. Since she wasn’t smart enough to transfer her letter to the Diocese of Olympia but was only licensed there, her own bishop (Rhode Island?) pulled her leash… and her clerical collar.

[17] Posted by Conego on 1-1-2010 at 05:30 AM · [top]

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