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“The Pope Is the First Among the Patriarchs.” Just How Remains to Be Seen

Tuesday, February 9, 2010 • 8:00 am


A very interesting article about the dialogues going on between Eastern Orthodoxy and Rome, from Chiesa News, where there is more:

The dialogue remained frozen until, in 2005, the German Joseph Ratzinger ascended to the throne of Peter, a pope highly appreciated in the East for the same reason he prompts criticisms in the West: for his attachment to the great Tradition.

First in Belgrade in 2006, and then in Ravenna in 2007, the international mixed commission for theological dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches started meeting again.

And what rose to the top of the discussion was precisely the question that most divides East and West: the primacy of the successor of Peter in the universal Church.

From the session in Ravenna emerged the document that marked the shift, dedicated to “conciliarity and authority” in the ecclesial communion.

The document of Ravenna, approved unanimously by both sides, affirms that “primacy and conciliarity are mutually interdependent.” And in paragraph 41, it highlights the points of agreement and disagreement:

“Both sides agree that . . . that Rome, as the Church that ‘presides in love’ according to the phrase of St Ignatius of Antioch, occupied the first place in the taxis, and that the bishop of Rome was therefore the protos among the patriarchs. They disagree, however, on the interpretation of the historical evidence from this era regarding the prerogatives of the bishop of Rome as protos, a matter that was already understood in different ways in the first millennium.”

“Protos” is the Greek word that means “first.” And “taxis” is the structure of the universal Church.

Since then, the discussion on controversial points has advanced at an accelerated pace. And it has started to examine, above all, how the Churches of East and West interpreted the role of the bishop of Rome during the first millennium, when they were still united.


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And it has started to examine, above all, how the Churches of East and West interpreted the role of the bishop of Rome during the first millennium, when they were still united.

The heart of the matter.

For Anglicans who take a sympathetic interest in these developments, there are two great classics on this subject which I highly recommend.

I have been delighted to discover that at least the first edition (although the third is much better) of F. W. Puller’s great work, The Primitive Saints and the See of Rome, has now been reprinted and is available through Amazon.  A preview of the book can also be found at Google Books.

Father Puller was a priest in the Church of England and a member of the Society of St. John the Evangelist.  In my estimation, he capably demonstrates that being in communion with the See of Rome was not the sine qua non of Catholic Christianity during its first centuries and that the exaggerated claims of the modern papacy would have been unrecognizable to the early Fathers, just as they always have been to the Orthodox Churches of the East.

“Primitive Saints” is a favorite among Anglo-Catholics but I see no reason why its contents would not be just as readily appreciated by Evangelicals and mainstream Protestants.

The other item is The Papacy: Its Historic Origin and Primitive Relations with the Eastern Churches by Abbé René-Francois Guettée.  A French priest in the Roman Church, Abbé Guettée (later Father Vladimir) ran afoul of the Jesuits with the publication of his History of the Church in France.  That, together with his reaction to the newly promulgated dogma of the Immaculate Conception, caused him to carefully reexamine the claims of the Roman Church.

The conclusion he arrived at:  “I re-read the words of the most erudite defenders of the papacy, and I became convinced that it is based neither on Holy Scripture nor on the Tradition of the Church Universal.”  He then became a member of the Orthodox Church and, like Father Puller, carefully addresses Romanist claims in light of early Church history.  The English edition of “The Papacy” was published with an introduction provided by an Episcopal bishop and it also remains thankfully in print.

I will admit to being quite biased in all of this.  I think it is terribly important for Anglican Christians to get up to speed in this area.  Theologically literate Orthodox Christians usually already are and we would do well to follow their good example.  These two gems of 19th century apologetics might make for appropriate Lenten reading and a good place to start.

I do think that an attempt at meaningful dialogue with the Roman Church is a worthwhile thing but I cannot imagine that she will ever budge on something as important as her understanding of papal supremacy.  And it is just as well that her partners in the discussion are Orthodox Christians since they are, for the most part, much less tolerant of the kind of ecumenical mush we Anglicans have grown so fond of in recent decades.  I wish them success.

Oh, and my confidence in the Patriarch of Moscow remains high!  wink

[1] Posted by episcopalienated on 02-09-2010 at 10:18 AM • top

Rome has backed itself into a corner vis-a-vis a definition of Papal authority that would be in any way acceptable to the Orthodox.  This was an entirely self-inflicted wound: most Orthodox are aware and accepting of the role of Rome as first among equals in the early Apostolic Church, and so, this was a theoretically solvable problem - until Vatican I.  The definitions promulgated by that council, so late in the temporal game, will prove very difficult for Rome to wriggle out of with its self-understanding intact (assuming it really wants to so wriggle, as opposed to simply attempting a transparently cosmetic solution).

Even if this issue could be solved, I think the theological and “lived reality” differences between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are so vast that any unity will only be achieved by a very long, hard slog, the end of which most of us would not live to see.  That isn’t to say the two communions can’t reach an understanding which each other to coexist in the interim and make common cause against a hostile secular culture.  But enough about the Episcopal Church.

[2] Posted by Phil on 02-09-2010 at 10:33 AM • top

Another really helpful book (by an Anglican) is Edward Denny’s Papalism (1912), available at Internet Archive, which carefully documents the role of the bishop of Rome and the understanding of his authority in the early church.  It should be no surprise that this book shows clearly that the early understanding of the Petrine promises was that they applied to all bishops, and that, while the bishop of Rome was sometimes recognized as having a special role (often based on the singificance of Rome as the imperial city), he was one primate among others.  Among other things,  Denny documents the significance of the forged papal decretals in convincing Western Catholics that the pope had a significance in the early church that he simply did not have.  The East never accepted the validity of the forged decretals, and thus never endorsed the inflated understanding of the bishop of Rome’s authority in the church.

Brian Tierney’s Origins of Papal Infallibility, 1150-1350 : a study on the concepts of infallibility, sovereignty and tradition in the Middle Ages (Brill, 1972, 1988) documents that the doctrine of papal infallibility rose in the late thirteenth century in response to Franciscans who were concerned that later popes might revise Nicholas III’s endorsement of a rigorist interpretation of Francis’s version of apostolic poverty. (They did.)

Papal infallibility was not raised at the Council of Lyons in 1274 when there was a short reunion between Rome and the Orthodox because no one yet believed in it.

These are the crucial issues that need to be resolved.  It is difficult seeing the Orthodox embrace a notion of papal supremacy that they never embraced, and of papal infallibility that simply did not exist in 1054.

At the same time, it is unimaginable (at least to me) that the Vatican would be willing to revise its understanding of either papal supremacy or infallibility.

[3] Posted by William Witt on 02-09-2010 at 10:45 AM • top

At the same time, it is unimaginable (at least to me) that the Vatican would be willing to revise its understanding of either papal supremacy or infallibility.

I don’t believe in papal infallibility, even in the very limited way in which it is properly understood.  But to be honest, I’m not sure I want any pope to renounce it.

Now, if it were a case of “The Pope changes his mind so the RC suddenly becomes completly orthodox on all points of doctrine” that would be nice, but I think in reality it would be just opening the floodgates to the ultraliberals in the RC camp.

[4] Posted by AndrewA on 02-09-2010 at 04:01 PM • top

Another really helpful article (by an Anglican) has the merit of being a posthumous riposte to Rowan Williams by Dom Gregory Dix.

[5] Posted by CPKS on 02-09-2010 at 04:43 PM • top

AndrewA - I don’t think it would open the floodgates to the liberals. I think the liberals would be outraged at unity between Rome and Orthodoxy, and Anglicanism as well - because I think that rather than weaken tradition and weaken the faith once delivered, this unity would strengthen it and render it most unappetizing to the liberals. If unity comes, it won’t make the church more luiberal, but more conservative because those interested in true unity are traditionalists. The liberals may make a buig show of ecumenical spirit, but there’s no substyance to their idea of ecumenism. They just want everyone to be one big happy family, and not let little matters of doctrine stand in the way.

[6] Posted by Nellie on 02-09-2010 at 05:12 PM • top

As an unreformed 1928 BCP “chosen frozen” Anglican I spent my career in the U.S. Army.  Whenever I left the area my last words were (pointing at someone) - “You’re in charge until I get back.”

As for me, that’s the strongest argument the Pope has on his side - it does seem to me entirely natural for Our Lord to point to an apostle and say “You’re in charge until I get back.”

[7] Posted by 1928BCPforMe on 02-09-2010 at 06:21 PM • top

As for me, that’s the strongest argument the Pope has on his side - it does seem to me entirely natural for Our Lord to point to an apostle and say “You’re in charge until I get back.”

But that’s the message he gave to all the apostles, not just any particular one of them…

Well, anyway, going back to the original topic.  Given the rate at which the EO and the RC move, I expect that these steps might have major implications… about 500 years from now.  grin

[8] Posted by AndrewA on 02-09-2010 at 06:32 PM • top

episoalienated at #1, I heartily concur. Also Phil at #2 re Rome backing itself into a corner - I can see the Orthodox churches conceding primacy, but I will be very very very surprised if they ever concede supremacy to anyone.

AndrewA at #4, I know Rome is fond of telling us that Papal Supremacy is what protects their church from liberalism, but do the facts bear that out? The Orthodox churches are no worse off than the Roman church in terms of liberal influence (yes they have problems with it, but so does Rome); And really, the majority of the Anglican Communion don’t have much trouble with liberalism either. Arguably, much of the Anglican Communion’s current problems with liberalism arise from the limited central control that it does have - e.g. liberal control of senior bishop’s positions in TEC and ACoC, and the great sympathy which the current ABC appears to hold for liberal teachings.

[9] Posted by MichaelA on 02-09-2010 at 06:33 PM • top

I know Rome is fond of telling us that Papal Supremacy is what protects their church from liberalism, but do the facts bear that out?

You misunderstand me entirely.  My argument is not that the doctrine of Papal Supremacy is the only thing that can protect a denomination from liberalism.  My argument is that Rome has built its walls upon the foundation of Papal Supremacy, and that if that foundation was undermined, the walls would collapse.  Every single doctrine and dogma, even the ones that are orthodox, would instantly be open to attack, on the grounds that “If the Pope was mistaken about infallibility, then clearly he can be mistake about everything else, like gays and female clergy.”

Arguably, much of the Anglican Communion’s current problems with liberalism arise from the limited central control that it does have - e.g. liberal control of senior bishop’s positions in TEC and ACoC, and the great sympathy which the current ABC appears to hold for liberal teachings.

The Anglican’s Communion’s problem arose from the fact that liberals were allowed to pass confirmation classes, even back when orthodox Anglicans were running things.

The problem isn’t the Rowen William’s of the world being Archbishops.  The problem is with them being deacons, Sunday School teachers, seminarians and seminary professors.  To paraphrase one pastor I know, “My objection isn’t to a denomination that votes to accept gay marriage.  My objection is to a denomination where it is even a matter for discussion.”

[10] Posted by AndrewA on 02-09-2010 at 06:51 PM • top

Very astute analysis, AndrewA. You make excellent points.

[11] Posted by Nellie on 02-10-2010 at 01:14 AM • top

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