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April 13, 2010

Nebraska To Limit Abortion Due To Fetal Pain

LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) - Nebraska lawmakers on Tuesday passed a groundbreaking bill banning abortions at 20 weeks based on assertions that fetuses feel pain then. Gov. Dave Heineman planned to sign it into law in the afternoon.
If upheld by the courts, the bill could change the foundation of abortion laws nationwide. Current restrictions in Nebraska and elsewhere are based on a fetus’s ability to survive outside the womb, or viability.

Viability is determined on a case-by-case basis but is generally considered to occur at 22 to 24 weeks.

The Nebraska bill was partially meant to shut down one of the few late-term abortion providers in the country, Dr. LeRoy Carhart. He attracted attention after his friend and fellow late-term abortion provider Dr. George Tiller was shot to death by an abortion foe in Kansas last year.

Kansas lawmakers have passed a bill meant to keep Carhart from performing abortions in that state, but Gov. Mark Parkinson, who supports abortion rights, hasn’t acted on it yet.

A national abortion-rights group called the Nebraska bill “flatly unconstitutional.”

“It absolutely cannot survive a challenge without a change to three decades of court rulings,” said Nancy Northup, president of the Center for reproductive Rights. “Courts have been chipping away at abortion rights…this would be like taking a huge hacksaw to the rights.”

She indicated her group might challenge the law in court. Carhart has also suggested he might challenge the law.

The entire article is available here.

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Fetal pain?  How about fetal death?

[1] Posted by Michael D on 4-13-2010 at 12:15 PM · [top]

It’s a BABY…and if you are pro-life I highly recommend you never use “fetus”, but always use “baby”.  Why?  Because that’s what he or she is.  Not “it” - he or she.

I told my teenage sons that, should they ever get someone pregnant, to come to me and we would “figure it out”, but that I would be incredibly hurt if they killed one of my grand kids.

[2] Posted by B. Hunter on 4-13-2010 at 01:14 PM · [top]

My wife and I are soon to be great grandparents….in late Summer.  That precious little girl that our granddaughter is carrying is a baby, NOT a fetus!

[3] Posted by Cennydd on 4-13-2010 at 01:21 PM · [top]

The abortionists’ idol, Roe v. Wade, is based on junk science.  The rapid pace of medical and technological change since the 70s gives us greater insight into life in the womb and greater ability to preserve it - Roe’s “first trimester” concept is absurd on its face.  In other words, it is Roe’s defenders who are the flat earthers, the superstitious devotees, the appealers to ignorance.

[4] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 4-13-2010 at 02:24 PM · [top]

“this would be like taking a huge hacksaw to the [abortion] rights”
But it’s OK to rip a baby to pieces in the womb?

[5] Posted by RalphM on 4-13-2010 at 02:26 PM · [top]

Wow, maybe we could even get PETA into this.  You know, with the chicken factories being the new Holocaust and all?  But nah… that would mean a fetus had more worth than a chicken.  It will never happen.

[6] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 4-13-2010 at 02:45 PM · [top]

Well, it’s a step in the right direction anyway.

Personally I think the entire Abortion debate is being carried on poorly by both sides anyway. If “Fetus” means a human being between the ages of Conception and __________ (Birth, maybe?) then what, pray tell, is the difference between calling a human this age a Fetus, and calling another human of a different age a Teenager? “Fetus” is simply a label for a human being at a certain developmental stage, as “Teenager” is. Considering that, the Abortion debate should never be held in terms of a “Human Rights” debate, but should be held in terms of a debate considering under what terms and conditions a human life may be justifiably ended. Cast in such a light, I wonder how many arguments for abortion could stand up to scrutiny?

Yours in Christ,

[7] Posted by Jacobsladder on 4-13-2010 at 05:09 PM · [top]

PS: I think the most telling argument critique would be to ask “what justifications for ending a human life would apply to a “fetus” that would not equally apply to a “teenager”? Parents of teenagers, feel free to jump in here. grin


[8] Posted by Jacobsladder on 4-13-2010 at 05:13 PM · [top]

My daughter, Zoe,  lost her first baby only two months into her pregnancy.  The entire family mourned the loss of that baby, and Zoe has stated that she will always remember her first child, even though she will be having others.  Our grief cannot be made less by labels and name changing.  It was a baby that the entire family lost, and it is a baby whom we mourn and whom we loved, only two months into its life. We ARE human after all, created in the image of God, so of course we loved and mourn the loss of that first baby! I wonder, sometimes, of those “reproductive rights” folks ARE human…hmmm…..

[9] Posted by Deacon Francie on 4-13-2010 at 06:53 PM · [top]

I totally, 100%, absolutely agree with the above posts. I teach PSE (Personal and Social Education) to 14/15 year olds, and in the session on abortion we watch a PowerPoint, including Dr. Russell Saco’s famous photograph of the perfectly formed feet of a 10-week old aborted unborn baby. Yes, those precious little feet belong to a tiny person, and to refer to that small being as an embryo or foetus denies them their humanity.  But - and I’m looking for help here - I can see problems if we speak of unborn babies as, simply, babies.  A woman mourning the loss of her baby twelve weeks after conception is in a very different place from a woman mourning the loss of her baby twelve weeks after birth.

[10] Posted by Elliot B on 4-13-2010 at 07:27 PM · [top]

Our daughter suffered five miscarriages due to hormone imbalance, and believe me, she was in anguish after each one.  When she finally gave birth to our grandson, it was a medical miracle.  He died of SIDS at 5 months of age, and we all suffered the loss.  Several years later, our twin granddaughters came along, followed six years later by their little sister.  Now one of the twins is expecting her own little girl, and we are all ecstatic.  Human life is precious at ALL stages, and the proponents of abortion treat it as just another medical procedure.  It ISN’T!  It is the voluntary termination of a human life!

[11] Posted by Cennydd on 4-13-2010 at 08:07 PM · [top]

8, maybe we should revisit the issue when they reach 13 and keep the matter under advisement until they reach 18?  As my mother once told me, “I brought you into this world and I can take you out!”  As I recall I stopped whatever I was doing at the time.

[12] Posted by Br. Michael on 4-14-2010 at 06:14 AM · [top]

Elliot B, I have friends who miscarried.  In many cases these women remember forever the date of the event and/or the baby’s original due date, and they mourn.  The difference is that they did not have the opportunity to hold and interact with their children, as they would have with infants born and then deceased.  The woman is “in a different place” as to her experience with her child, but often not “in a different place” as to the pain of loss.

It’s not that the Nebraska legislators think the pain is the crucial issue.  It’s that this is something that has been scientifically documented and which can be used to counter the pro-abortion arguments.  How many times have we seen animal rights activists, for instance, PETA, emoting about the pain felt by animals?  This is going to be more difficult for an emotion-focused public to reject than a correct but intellectual argument about the child’s existential humanity.

[13] Posted by Katherine on 4-14-2010 at 01:47 PM · [top]

I think “unborn babies” or “Yet-to-be-born” would distinguish from still births or older babies.  Fetus is purposefully clinical and impersonal.  Like calling a human being a carbon unit.

[14] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 4-14-2010 at 02:22 PM · [top]

So, if I am understanding the argument here, can’t we say that killing a fetus that can feel pain consitutes “cruel and unusual punishment”?  I mean, that’s the standard we use for inmates on death row to determine how to kill them.  Isn’t a baby about to be aborted essentially on death row?

Just a thought….mrb

[15] Posted by Mike Bertaut on 4-14-2010 at 07:24 PM · [top]

#13 I don’t think we can speak of mourning in general terms.  It is different for everybody.

[16] Posted by Kate Sanderson on 4-15-2010 at 09:49 AM · [top]

I think that mourning is mourning - however many different ways people mightexpress or experience it. It’s still mourning.

[17] Posted by Nellie on 4-15-2010 at 08:08 PM · [top]

#15. Mike Bertaut,
You got there before I did. I was instantly reminded during the article that murderers on death row had execution dates stayed because lethal injection was deemed potentially painful. It is new science that a fetus can feel pain. At one time it was believed that infants did not experience pain.

[18] Posted by Fr. Dale on 4-16-2010 at 08:02 AM · [top]

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