Manchester Cathedral To Host New Age Festival Featuring Tarot Card Readers

And exactly what did our Lord say about those who turn to others to see the future ........ these people are being lead by the hand of Satan ...

“Bishop Nigel said the unconventional activities were not incompatible with Christian belief.”

Where have we heard that before?

Will Katharine Schori be in attendance?

#3 - Rumor has it she will be in booth 12.  This is in the “cross-over section” and will offer card readings and sooth saying. 
You may be able to recognize her by her brightly colored attire.

Some links:

Take a look here. (They weren’t actually ON the altar.)

I couldn’t find a photo of THIS particular fire-breathing vicar, but here’s another one.

Perhaps they should locate a witch to raise up Samuel. I’d be there for that.

Tell me if I have this wrong….

It seems nothing is incompatible with Christianity except orthodox Christian morality – do I have that right?

Or is it not-Christian is compatible with Christianity and Christianity is not?  Which means not Christian is Christian and the Satanists are right?

It’s easy to get confused these days.

Archbishop Williams should attend in his Druid costume

Josip, what makes you think Druid vestments are a costume for Rowan?  That would imply that he is only dressing up as a Druid instead of actually being one.

Mother Ann Lee was baptized and married there - there’s a tradition.

Rev. David Fishler, a former Episcopalian, has the correct interpretation of this: State Sponsored Syncretism. 

Along with abortion and pansexuality being promoted in the UK, these alternative activities are state-sponsored spiritual pollution - paganism being promoted in a Christian Cathedral and by national laws. 

Obviously, ‘Bishop’ Nigel is not a real shepherd of Christ’s Church, for he does not have spiritual discernment and cannot tell good from evil.  And, if Rowan were a true shepherd, Nigel would be removed.  However, RW promotes Shori and TEC heterodoxy, so this will be allowed.  So, the Cathedral will be defiled (as many are in the Western Provinces) and should be cleansed of evil spirits before any true Christian services may take place.

The Bishop of Manchester, Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, said he wanted to celebrate ‘all forms of spirituality’.

Whenever I encounter one of these stories in which liberal clergy render themselves absolutely ridiculous, I try to fathom their reasoning.  Putting to the side those things that motivate an ordinary Christian: reason would lead you to secular notions self protection or advancement.  Their message, however, is that ways or beliefs other than Christianity are equally valid, important, and true - if not more so.  The Christian Gospel seems to matter so very little to them that their church (and logically their role in that church) appears to be unnecessary.  So, self protection or advancement could only be a factor if such clergy somehow were to believe that there is pent up demand for archaic wastes-of-time, and that undertaking these ridiculous activities will somehow inure to their benefit. 

Instead, I am reduced to the impression that these clergy are consumed with insecurities.  They are unwilling to address honestly the conflict of their beliefs, which would logically lead to a search for more congruent employment.  They remain in place enjoying the benefits of their employment, while doing all they can imagine to draw affirmation from the world and like minded in the church - because their beliefs lie outside the tradition of the church in which they serve, they flee traditional Christianity.  Perhaps they convince themselves that changing the institution politically will somehow influence God (who historically was unreliable.)  In the course of all this, they display their irrelevance in a manner incomprehensible to the average Christian.  Can you imagine how it appears to any thinking non-Christian? 

What sort of religion is this - if other forms of spirituality are just as valid?  Where is the substance of a religion when its moral teaching is captured entirely by liberal social politics?  Why are its leaders so dissatisfied with its traditional, core message?  What commends your complicated offering over the easy accessibility of new age beliefs - which are unburdened by history, conflict, and traditional demands?  If you don’t take it seriously, why should I?

“It comes after the Manchester diocese held its first-ever stall at the Mind Body Spirit festival at Manchester Central.  Mind Body Spirit is aimed at self exploration and self improvement and was held in Manchester in November.”  <i>This was actual evangelism as they went and sponsored a booth to reach folks interested in these things.<I>  At the time Bishop of Middleton, the Rt Rev Mark Davies said: “The Manchester Mind Body Spirit attracts thousands of visitors wanting to experience the exhibitions, workshops and music, and to meet authors and artists. For the first time Manchester churches will be on hand at a stand to talk about Christian spirituality.”  <i>See.  Proper evangelism.<i>

However, the current bash: “The Bishop of Manchester, Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, said he wanted to celebrate ‘all forms of spirituality’.”  <i>The clear implication being that all forms of spirituality are equal, which is bad evangelism, since they are not.  Jesus is Lord. A fact known to millenia of Christians and repudiated by others of ‘different spirituality’.<i>

Then again, maybe it’s the 5-pound per attendee charge they are after?  <i>Worse!  Selling out for mammon.<i>

Seems to lack the panache of the Canterbury Cathedral plays somehow…....

It’s easy to believe in anything, including this swill - just pretent that Holy Scripture doesn’t exist!

Maybe someone should post Deuteronomy 18:9-13 on the Cathedral Doors as a reminder?

9 When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; .... 13 You must be blameless before the LORD your God.

“It comes after the Manchester diocese held its first-ever stall at the Mind Body Spirit festival at Manchester Central.  Mind Body Spirit is aimed at self exploration and self improvement and was held in Manchester in November.”  This was actual evangelism as they went and sponsored a booth to reach folks interested in these things.  At the time Bishop of Middleton, the Rt Rev Mark Davies said: “The Manchester Mind Body Spirit attracts thousands of visitors wanting to experience the exhibitions, workshops and music, and to meet authors and artists. For the first time Manchester churches will be on hand at a stand to talk about Christian spirituality.”  <i>See.  Proper evangelism.<i>

However, the current bash: “The Bishop of Manchester, Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, said he wanted to celebrate ‘all forms of spirituality’.”  <i>The clear implication being that all forms of spirituality are equal, which is bad evangelism, since they are not.  Jesus is Lord. A fact known to millenia of Christians and repudiated by others of ‘different spirituality’.<i>

Then again, maybe it’s the 5-pound per attendee charge they are after?  <i>Worse!  Selling out for mammon.<i>

Seems to lack the <i>panache<i> of the Canterbury Cathedral plays somehow…....

*fixed*

“It comes after the Manchester diocese held its first-ever stall at the Mind Body Spirit festival at Manchester Central.  Mind Body Spirit is aimed at self exploration and self improvement and was held in Manchester in November.”  This was actual evangelism as they went and sponsored a booth to reach folks interested in these things.  At the time Bishop of Middleton, the Rt Rev Mark Davies said: “The Manchester Mind Body Spirit attracts thousands of visitors wanting to experience the exhibitions, workshops and music, and to meet authors and artists. For the first time Manchester churches will be on hand at a stand to talk about Christian spirituality.”  <i>See.  Proper evangelism.<i>

However, the current bash: “The Bishop of Manchester, Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, said he wanted to celebrate ‘all forms of spirituality’.”  <i>The clear implication being that all forms of spirituality are equal, which is bad evangelism, since they are not.  Jesus is Lord. A fact known to millenia of Christians and repudiated by others of ‘different spirituality’.<i>

Then again, maybe it’s the 5-pound per attendee charge they are after?  <i>Worse!  Selling out for mammon.<i>

Seems to lack the <i>panache<i> of the Canterbury Cathedral plays somehow…....

**fixed**  (or not, but the last attempt!)

Idiots. Heathens. Betrayers of Christianity. Tools of Satan.

The Manchester Evening News, that star in the internationsl press pantheon, reports that there will be tarot card readings but the organisers on their own website state explicitly that there will be no tarot card reading or fortune telling “contrary to media reports” and that only Christian spirituality will be represented.

So who to believe? Difficult isn’t it?

How wicked of you John! Spawn of Satan!

Getting in the way of a good RANT!!!

The cathedral website also says that there will be no tarot and no fortune telling.

Sorry.

From the “Spirit of Life” web site:

Fire breathing vicars, dream interpretation, Jesus Deck Readings and spiritual meditations are some of the spiritual skills on display at Manchester Cathedral’s first ever Christian Spirituality fair - the Spirit of Life (2 May from 11am-5pm).

With performances, meditations, stalls and workshops throughout the day, come and discover how ancient spirituality meets contemporary culture at this unique event.

With about 25 workshops and stalls covering poetry, Franciscan spirituality, arts and crafts, healing, icons, angels, meditation, personality profiling, music and blessings, labyrinths, dream interpretation, Christian symbolism of gem stones, tarot and Celtic saints, prayer bead making, choral evensong, foot and hand massage, Jesus Deck readings, Taize chants and, finally, fire breathing!

Apparently there’s Christian symbolism in tarot, and that’s where the newspaper got the idea there will be tarot readings. And what exactly are “Jesus Deck readings”? This is what I found:

Using the deck in a spirituality fair or exhibition is an exercise in cross cultural translation no matter how you use it. Some practitioners having set up their booths will simply use the Deck as one thing amongst many, offering people who are interested the chance to choose one card and entering into a conversation from there. Stories of the right card for the right person are many, including one from John Drane about a woman who picked out the card showing Judas hanging from the tree; the consequences of that were astonishing and really do point to the God who goes before us!

I use the cards in a form that emulates a five card lay from a tarot deck, when a seeker comes for a reading (you will note that my language is becoming enculturated here) I invite them to sit down, and if they wish I explain a little about how the Deck tells the story of Jesus. I might then offer to pray that the (Holy) Spirit would guide the cards so that the right ones are laid down. I then shuffle the deck lay the five cards and we begin.

I ask the seeker (querent) which card they feel most drawn to, and from then on the reading becomes an activity of three way listening, to the Holy Spirit, to the scriptures through the cards and to the seeker. As I have already said I am amazed at the way that God works through this tool, speaking clearly opening up deep conversations. Some folk have received guidance, others affirmations, and still others deep healing through these readings. Even when I am teaching folk how I use the Deck and they think they are coming for a demonstration rather than a reading the cards act as scriptures two edged sword and lives are changed in the process.

(From here.)

If the latter web site (written by a UK Methodist minister who sounds like the Manchester event is right up her alley) is any indication, the “Jesus Deck” is a tool for the blending of Christian and non-Christian spiritual practices. In other words, syncretism, as I wrote on my own blog.

(By the way, thanks for the link, St. Nikao. One correction: I’m a former Moravian and Methodist, not Episcopalian. But some of my best friends…)

Hey David Fischler . . . you’ll want to preserve the description from the Spirit of Life website as a pdf—take it from someone with a lot of experience with TEC revisionists’ attempts to cover stuff up.

Got it, Sarah!

So they know what they do, and will be (ostensibly) unrepentant.  What does it take to save these people?

[20] John Simmons

The cathedral website also says that there will be no tarot and no fortune telling.

Irrelevant, even if true.  They are seeking to legitimize occult practices within a Christan context.  It’s no different from saying “We aren’t going to actually communicate with the dead.  We are just going to discuss the spiritual benefits of communicating with the dead.”  Only a dead church would host this event.

carl

Which of the things they are offering is condemned in Scripture or for some other reason can’t be done in a Christian manner?

FROM THEIR WEBSITE:
poetry
Franciscan spirituality
arts and crafts
healing
icons
angels
meditation
personality profiling
music and blessings
labyrinths
dream interpretation
Christian symbolism of gem stones
tarot and Celtic saints
prayer bead making
choral evensong
foot and hand massage
Jesus Deck readings (cards with illustrations of Bible stories)
Taize chants and, finally,
fire breathing”

ps Apparently “tarot and Celtic saints” isn’t Tarot Card readings

“Jesus Deck Readings”? You’ve got to be kidding. This really is beyond parody.

#26 re: “Christian symbolism of gem stones, tarot and Celtic saints”

As long as you prepend “Christian” to “tarot”, then it’s no longer occult, see? Glad I could clear that up for ya.

‘Prayer bead making?’  Nothing wrong with that….I use them when I pray the Anglican Rosary….a contemplative and meditative prayer.  Yes, there is such a thing as Rosary beads, and there are more of us using them than one might realize.  And I love Choral Evensong….properly done, of course.

I had the pleasure of attending a very nice, traditional choral evensong in Manchester Cathedral one Sunday evening in June 2009. Nothing New Age about it. Hope this event is not as bad as it appears it might be.

Kate Phelps

Apparently there are some people who are not aware that there is such a thing as an Anglican Rosary.  I find it useful….and comforting.

It now transpires that the Bishop of Manchester did not actually make the statement which the Press attributed to him, nor did he clear it. More news later I hope.

#21 From that description of the ‘Jesus Deck’

the card showing Judas hanging from the tree

That is the ‘ Hanged Man’ card from Tarot.

This ‘ Jesus Deck’ seems to be being accepted by people who really ought to know better.

One would have hoped that the Bishop of Manchester would be keeping people on the straight and narrow rather than permitting this to take place in the Cathedral….but this is the man who made such a complete mess of the women bishops issue and is incapable of even opening his own email.

However it is fascinating to watch the squirming going on.  Time for Sony to bring out a new computer game ‘Incompetance: Fall of Man’

#21 The link to Jesus Deck readings now goes to an open DNS.  Someone did a little coding!  The link has been moved, for now, to here.

John Simmons-
On their own website (which you provide) is their own program of events.
Frankly, from my point of view, practicing a religion centered on the “Goddess” in Christianity (3:30 pm according to the program) and so-called “Jesus Decks” (which seem to be in every third session- someone will make a fortune selling them) is every bit as heretical as Tarot readings.
This looks an awful lot like a “Sea of Faith” conference.  There is no evidence that Nicene Christianity will be allowed in the doors.
This is a crock of New Age spirituality.
Another CoE bishop abandons the communion of the Church.
TJ

#21 Actually, now I see that your link code had some repetition in it and that is why it didn’t go where you intended it.

Yes the Jesus Deck - a creation of that well known tool of Lucifer - The Church Army - Pageantmaster must organise a ritual burning outside the cathedral http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/news.aspx?action=view&id=1568
And that evil bishop of Manchester doesn’t even let nice Christians pray!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/3215999.stm

Hey, this is cool—the libs in England are pretty distressed I see by the news coverage for this event.

What’s going on with that, Pageantmaster?

The Jesus Deck seems to be an American import Rev. Reynolds.  Perhaps the Bishop of Manchester thought holding an exclusive LGCM service wasn’t very inclusive.

Dunno Sarah - perhaps they don’t like it that they’ve been rumbled?  Just listen to the howls and squeals.  And one can just imagine the ladies who read the Daily Mail choking on their cornflakes when reading this and making a mental note to upbraid their vicar.

Of course Taize, prayer beads and choral evensong are not particularly demonic, but at tarot card readings, crystals and angels, something is clearly going very wrong.

The first link to my #32 doesn’t seem to work so follow the first link follow the link here.  Interestingly The Hanged Man is also known as ‘The Traitor’!  So one can see the Judas connection in Tarot.  Very insidious.

Mind you Sarah there is another point of view:
‘Why Druids should use Tarot’.

Quite.

#21 From the “Spirit of Life” web site:

How wicked of you David! Spawn of Satan!

Undercutting Mr. Reynolds self righteous rant.

#37 Martin Reynolds, for unrepentant sinners, in this case your favorite kind, partnered gays and lesbians, to be denied a church service to celebrate their sin and rebellion, hardly constitutes not letting “nice Christians pray”.  Your comment with link:

And that evil bishop of Manchester doesn’t even let nice Christians pray!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/3215999.stm

Actual discussion is one thing, indaba is another, and your disingenuous trolling is yet another.

I used to read Tarot cards.  I did a lot of research on them.  Never did I come across anything suggesting a Christian orgin.

I am grateful that God commanded me out of that folly.  Even though I always asked if any spirits believed Jesus had come and would return in the flesh I was engaging in a forbidden practice and taking a very very real spiritual risk.  This is true though many readings don’t involve divination at all.  Just a good ability to read people.

There is no Christian Tarot I don’t care what pictures they put on the cards. 

The New Age as always been with us.  It was there in the Garden.

Heh Heh - Sarah #38 is right.  The version on the Manchester Cathedral site has been ‘cleansed’.  Gone is all mention of:
tarot and Celtic saints
Jesus Deck readings
crystals
They must have Mussa Ibrahim doing their PR.

Mind you they are still hanging on to their angels and labyrinths, and Christian interpretations of gemstones [no crystals note] and interestingly fire-breathing, which I imagine the Bishop of Manchester has been practising today.

[Here is Jane Seymour doing an impression of the Bishop of Manchester trying to work out what to do about all this]

A google search shows this story has gone viral, not just here, but internationally.

Nope, I was wrong, the Jesus Deck Readings are still there in the introduction, for the moment, although they are not mentioned again in the Cathedral piece.

#43 Milton
I don’t think Martin Reynolds was trolling - at least in part he was having a bit of fun with my post, and perhaps at my expense, which is OK with me.  You have to be prepared to take what you dish out.

Various mystical practices that I’ve heard about over the years can, and have been, used with various intents. A person with good intentions, using tarot cards for meditation, without guidance from an expert spiritual director, might encounter certain difficulties.

One does NOT try to contact spirits of the dead. The Bible forbids necromancy for good reason. (I understand from a reliable source that Edgar Cayce was not a medium.)*

Anyway, some tarot decks do have symbols of Jewish mysticism encoded in them, even the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet. And, some of the cards do have drawings that evoke certain principles of the Judeo-Christian tradition. I suppose that they could help someone focus the mind for a meditation, but (again) I think there’s some danger there.

On the whole, it seems more prudent to use one’s time to study the Bible, and (if called to do so) the more mainstream Christian mystical practices.

*He was an extra large.

Of course, PM, you don’t suppose that any of the folks there at Manchester Cathedral would recall Charles Williams’ THE GREATER TRUMPS and its cautionary advices in novel form, would you?  I would suggest that from their initial posting and cleansed posting activities that they missed the main point about sowing and reaping the whirlwind.  But perhaps that just me!  Your thoughts and humour are most appreciated.  Loved the pix.

Isn’t Google wonderful, well except if you happen to be the Bishop of Manchester.  Consider what the Manchester Cathedral website now says about this event and the way it read a few hours earlier.

Here is the Google cached version [as it appeared on 28 Mar 2011 16:41:53 GMT] of the Manchester Cathedral article before Mussa Ibrahim cleansed it completely [deletions subsequently made from this version are in bold, additions subsequently made are bracketed in italics]:

Register now for The Spirit of Life
Published: 28 March 2011

Fire breathing vicars, dream interpretation, Jesus Deck Readings and spiritual meditations are some of the spiritual skills on display at Manchester Cathedral at its first ever Spirituality fair - the Spirit of Life (2 May from 11am-5pm).

With performances, meditations, stalls and workshops throughout the day, come and discover how ancient spirituality meets contemporary culture at this unique event.

Contrary to media reports, the Spirit of Life is a Christian festival offering a balanced programme of different spiritual traditions including Taize, choral evensong and contemporary spiritualities. All contributors are Christians and have undergone a rigorous application process. For more information, see http://www.manchester.anglican.org

[Important
The Spirit of Life is a Christian festival offering a balanced programme of different spiritual traditions including Taize, choral evensong and contemporary spiritualities. There are workshops that will provide a Christian critique of other spiritualities. There will be no tarot card reading or fortune telling at the event. All contributors are Christians, many of them ordained clergy, nuns, Catholics or evangelicals and have undergone a rigorous application process by the organisers. The event offers a clear Christian alternative to the usual offer at Mind, Body Spirit events and is doing what the Church of England has always done – being present within culture, coming alongside people, offering them Jesus Christ. For more information, see http://www.manchester.anglican.org

Workshops]

With about 25 workshops and stalls covering poetry, Franciscan spirituality, arts and crafts, healing, icons, angels, meditation, personality profiling, music and blessings, labyrinths, dream interpretation, Christian symbolism of gem stones, tarot and Celtic saints, prayer bead making, choral evensong, foot and hand massage, Jesus Deck readings, Taize chants and, finally, fire breathing! There will be no fortune tellers.

All of these events will aim to convey something of the Christ we follow as Christian people.

Canon Evangelist, Tony Hardy, says, “This event is not a gimmick but mission in the way Christians have long been doing it - being where people are and being available for them. [being present within culture, coming alongside people, offering them Jesus Christ] We hope to attract hundreds of people who would not normally be interested in a church event”.

The Bishop of Manchester said, “The Spirit of Life event is a chance to discover and explore old and new Christian spiritual traditions from living in community to praying with icons, from healing to bead making, from Franciscan spirituality to contemporary music and movement. Practitioners from all over the country will be on hand to offer their experience of how God speaks to us today through the cultural language and practices so common in mind, body, spirit fairs.”

£5 for adults. Accompanied under 12s free.

So when John Simmons claims #31:

It now transpires that the Bishop of Manchester did not actually make the statement which the Press attributed to him, nor did he clear it. More news later I hope.

This is not entirely true, well actually, it is completely untrue.  He said it, and his quote was put on the Cathedral website in quotation marks below that of the Dean, if the Cathedral is to be believed.

What appears to have happened is the article on the Cathedral website was in the process of being cleansed at the time the Google cache snapshot of it was taken.  A denial of fortune-telling had been posted and all reference to it deleted, but Mussa Ibrahim had not yet completed expunging the references to tarot, Jesus decks and deleting the Bishop of Manchester’s comments, nor had he yet rewritten the quote from the Dean.

And I too have taken the precaution of taking a pdf of the Google cache page, in case it too is cleansed by Dr Mussa Ibrahim.

Correction: the quote after which the bishop’s quote appears is of the Canon Evangelist, not the Dean.

#51 dwstroudmd   Thanks
I expect that one day the Manchester Cathedral “initial posting and cleansed posting activities” will be rediscovered in a remote sealed cave in the Libyan Desert.

As my link to the Google cached page in #51 did not seem to work, here it is again.

I have a thought: if this thing is so spiritual and such a benefit to Christians, why are they charging 5 pounds for it?

#35 TJ - I have just checked out the draft program you mention linked here as a download on the Diocese of Manchester Spirit of Life site.  It is deeply disturbing.  Some of the events of the day apart from those you mention include:

1:30 pm ‘Healing Serpent’ - Pauline Warner - Looking for inspiration in the Old Testament bible stories about Moses and Aaron in Egypt, we find that the God of Moses was the Great Serpent, the Protector and Deliverer - Libary.

2:30pm ‘Angelic Encounters’ - John and Olive Drane - Angels are all around us, if only we are open to their presence - Refectory

3:30pm ‘Christianity and the Goddess’ - Steve Hollinghurst - Exploring the relationship between the Goddess and Christian tradition to uncover the divine feminine in Christianity - Refectory

Meanwhile the references to the Jesus Deck, Ruach Cards and Christian Creation Cards, are all in the context of the selection of cards for a personal ‘reading’ which are then explained for the client visitor.  If that is not divination, and perhaps fortune-telling, I don’t know what is.

The erroneous presumption of many engaged in this sort of thing is that they are giving their Christian slant on spirituality.  That is not at all the Christian message and the liberation it proclaims from superstition and the dark influences of this world including those things which appear to clothe themselves in light, including the Angel cult which has grown up.

The vulnerable and those with no grounding in Christianity may well end up with a seriously distorted view of Christianity, if not end up as total dingbats from this sort of nonsense, and with no idea of the real distinction between the diabolical practices they may have been exposed to already in New Age worship as distinct from the liberating message of Christianity including the freedom it provides from divination, superstition and the influence of elemental forces.

I am all in favor of Christians going to New Age Fairs to provide the true message of Christ, and indeed going in for prayer ministry and even perhaps explaining the Christian significance of things, including dreams, for that is a worthwhile and courageous thing to do.  But in adopting the practices of the enemy and believing it is being adapted for God’s purposes, there is a real danger of the Great Deceiver deceiving them when they cut loose from the injunctions against divination and sorcery we are rightly prohibited from in the Bible.

I fear things are going very very wrong in Manchester Cathedral, and it is clear this is not an isolated case, but one of a number of events which have taken place in CofE churches including Southwell Minster.

#44 Paula Loughlin
Thank you for having had the courage to tell your story.  It is those who have had personal experience of this sort of stuff who have the clearest appreciation of its dangers, and the deception with which it clothes itself.  But as you say the names and window dressing changes, whether we call it demonism, baal, asherah. sorcery or by its modern names, new age, Angels, The Goddess, Tarot, the reality is very ancient indeed, and not nice at all.  And those who have been deeply involved, but who by Christ’s Grace have been enabled to escape understand both how deceptive and how determined it is to hold on, and the hatred it has for and determination to subvert Christ’s church.  This is what we are seeing going on in Manchester, but they just have not recognised it for what it is.

An excellent piece from Charles Raven:
Manchester Cathedral: From Via Media to Via Medium
http://www.anglicanspread.org/?p=446

BREAKING - The Manchester Cathedral folks also believe nudity is wholesome and natural.  Will they beat TEC to having a nude Stations of the Cross?

LINK

#58 St. Nikao
The Petre article probably follows up on a number of items in Charles Raven’s article mentioned by English Jill at #57 and in particular a paragraph which disappeared from the ‘Spirit of Life’ website rather than the main Cathedral website.

Anything written by Jonathan Petre requires corroboration and so far as I am aware there are no plans to have nude ‘Stations of the Cross’, or the more Anglican ‘Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols’.

Thanks for the grain of salt, PM.  Still and all - sounds like Manchester Cathedral folks have a sizeable stronghold of wierdness and paganism in their midst and need the ecclesiastical versions of ‘The Exterminator’, ‘Terminator’ and ‘Ghost Busters’ to clean out the temple.

#61 St. Nikao

sounds like Manchester Cathedral folks have a sizeable stronghold of wierdness and paganism in their midst and need the ecclesiastical versions of ‘The Exterminator’, ‘Terminator’ and ‘Ghost Busters’ to clean out the temple.

I think people have quite a lot of questions for the Diocese of Manchester to answer, and Bishop McCulloch needs to explain what his diocese has been getting up to on his watch.

Manchester Cathedral folks have a sizeable stronghold of wierdness and paganism in their midst and need the ecclesiastical versions of ‘The Exterminator’, ‘Terminator’ and ‘Ghost Busters’ to clean out the temple

Oh, I don’t know…..I think all it will take is an itinerant Carpenter with some knotted cords.