I didn’t care for the tack this thread took the first time. Let’s try it again, everyone, and this time please stay focused on Rosenthal, his role in the ACC, and his relationship to Rowan Williams.

I am also disappointed in the way the thread has gone.

What on earth? 

Now we are going to miss out on the great comments that were posted previously because some people decided to make on over something totally extraneous, and it was both reappraisers [forgiveable since understandable] and reasserters [not so forgiveable].

Start again.  : < (

Oh, but Greg, I worked so hard on my comment (which totally supported your main point!) with the links to the different pages on the official Anglican Communion website. Sarah saw it and she will tell you, it was well done. Please, please give back the one comment so I don’t have to recreate it from scratch?.

Totally agree Greg. The focus needs to be on Rosenthal and his position with the ACC if he is the one and the same former head of ENS. This should be a great concern. How did all this come about?

That Rosenthal is a part of this community gives us a significant insight into the ABC, the press releases that come from Lambeth Palace every time the ABC leaves London, and any wordsmithing that comes from the ACC--of course we all already knew this slant existed, but it is important to have a refresher sinus cleaning every now and then to remind us how alive political manipulation is in our church.

The question one might have is does revealed truth have anything to do with anything in the established hierarchy--or is it just time for a complete reformation complete with heads on fence posts.

[comment deleted]
[comment deleted]
[comment deleted]
etc…

And they say conservatives have no sense of humor

Why do they get away with this blasphemy against the Lord at 815? Because that nest of blood sucking Vipers located there maintain a sad attitude for the propensity of vulgar fecitiousness.

Now there is something you don’t see everyday—A Stand Firm *Reboot*

Yeah, Hosea, and a good thing too. It was kinda bizarre before.

Well, as was mentioned before, if this business is any indication of newspeak and business as usual it does offer clarity no matter how tangentially.

[comment deleted—off topic, plus personal vulgarity]

Gee, sorry, I still like the old Elizabethan Settlement, much better.  Guess that is why I became an Anglican believer in the first place.  I thought they had learned generosities and leeway, the hard way, from bloody church history.

I must have missed something.

1. Mickey Mantle
2. Pete Rose
3. Eddie Murray
4. Frankie Frisch
5. Roberto Alomar
6. Chipper Jones
7. Tim Raines
8. Jim Rosenthal

Marty,
Yes, very humorous!  Inappropriate, but I admit I was still laughing at the staff meeting.  Someday I must meet the Snarkster.

DrDanFee, you have repeatedly and grossly violated comment policy in the past months.

Please cease at once.

This is a final warning and there will be no others on any thread.

The violence that the liberal agenda and its advocates are doing to all of us and our church requires a response that is decisive and unwavering. The fear to express at least outrage at the injustices and misbehaviors that are being perpetrated against us borders on collusion with the subversion of the gospel.

Very appropriate comment, Don Armstrong.  As Archbishop Orombi said last summer, “we have turned one cheek, and then the other and then the other. . . . how many cheeks do we have?” There is certainly such a thing as righteous indignation, and realizing the role Jim Rosehthal has played in the political manipulation of all things coming out of the ACC, as well as Lambeth Palace, calls for the righteous indignation of everyone who cares about truth. 
I have written several letters and emails to Rowan Williams and always gotten a reply from one of his secretaries.  The last reply came from Jim Rosenthal, which confirmed what I suspected about the circle around him.  Dear orthodox brothers and sisters, we have in so many ways, seen and unseen, been had.

[comment deleted—off topic]

Perhaps Irenaeus can include “Windsor process” in the next edition of the Revisionist Dictionary.  The formatting of the Windsor process page is misleading.  The four main categories are covenant, listening process, panel of reference, and Lambeth commission.  The uninitiated would look at the formatting and assume that the panel of reference is of greater importance than the primates meetings (buried in the small print).  Rather cunning and crafty, to my way of thinking. 
I wonder if this ongoing series of meetings without resolution of the problem is nothing but an exercise in cunning and craftiness.  The more documents that are produced, the more selective one can be in the display of information, the more easily one can be confused, the more easily misled.  The framing of the meetings would support this thesis.  The Lambeth Commission was not commissioned to study the theological issue of homosexuality, rather ecclesiology.  The post-New Orleans consultation process inquired as to the JSC report, rather than the HoB response to DeS.  That extra layer added ambiguity.
Whatever this protracted process is, it is not speaking the truth in love, is it?  And along the way, that most decent human attribute of assuming the best in one another has evaporated into the ether, and along with it our only hope of growing into the stature of Christ.
Watching this is like watching a dear, dear loved one undergo the ravages of neurological degenerative condition.  You love and care for the person because you knew her in the fullness of health, but you don’t love what has become of her. 
There is no doubt about it.  Unrepentent heresy is every bit as cruel and pernicious as Alzheimer’s or amyotropic lateral sclerosis or advanced Parkinson’s.

What was Rosenthal wearing at the Mass? Did he have his cloak and Groucho mask on as well?

I have a blog thingy

Someday I must meet the Snarkster.

Elizabeth: Be careful. You know what they say about people you meet on the internet. Heh heh.

the snarkster

I didn’t care for the tack this thread took the first time. Let’s try it again, everyone, and this time please stay focused on Rosenthal, his role in the ACC, and his relationship to Rowan Williams.

Okey dokey, here goes:
FACT: The service was held clandestinely at All Hallows By the Tower.
FACT: Rosenthal is a deacon at All Hallows By the Tower.
FACT: Rosenthal is Communications Director for the ACC.
FACT: The staff of the ACC serve +++Rowan.
FACT: +++Rowan has surrounded himself with staff and advisors (Kearon, Rosenthal et al) who are liberal and sympathetic to TEC and revisionism in general.

That doesn’t leave much to discuss does it?

the snarkster

Watching this is like watching a dear, dear loved one undergo the ravages of neurological degenerative condition .... Unrepentent heresy is every bit as cruel and pernicious as Alzheimer’s or amyotropic lateral sclerosis or advanced Parkinson’s.
Jill Woodliff

Trying to follow the twisted logic and decipher the layers of deceit actually creates the experience of mental collapse in my brain!!!
I am so grateful when Stand Firm posters and commenters help straighten out the crazy tangled mess.

Hmmm.  I see this a bit in reverse from some of you.

Here’s my imagined scenario -
1) Affirming Catholicism founding AoC agrees to a “private consultation” with old friends as part of his personal “listening process”. 
2) The location of the consultation, St. Peter’s Eaton Square, is outed. 
3) Upon learning the news, possibly from the ACC Director of Communications (?), the AoC expresses regret about the publicity
4) ACC Dir of Comm asks if the AoC wants his help in finding a suitable alternative location and to communicate that info to the group.
5) ACC Dir of Comm “asks” the vicar of the church where the Dir of Comm happens to be a deacon, if the AoC might borrow it for an evening.  The vicar gladly agrees to help out the AoC.
6) AoC sees this as a splendid idea and goes ahead with the “consultation”.

Peace,

Jim Rosenthal was appointed when Carey was Primate, as was Jonathan Jennings the Archbishop’s Press Officer.

Rowan’s chaplain (appointed by him) is, I believe, a member of FiF.

DDw+-as something of a rabid baseball fan, I was intrigued by your post, and somewhat puzzled-for about 3 seconds. Clever, m’boy, clever! While we’re on the topic, how do you think Alomar and Raines’ chances look for induction into the Hall?

Bob K
Ir took almost a whole day for someone to get it.  I was surprised it took so long.  BTW, I think Raines and Alomar should both get in the Hall.  Raines played 23 seasons and had a career BA of.294 and Alomar played 17 seasons with a career BA of .300 plus Alomar had 9 gold gloves.

Yes Greg, this is a fascinating thread today: Rosenthal, ACC, +++Rowan, In-the-Closet Eucharist… much more fun than yesterday’s thread.

All we need are clown celebrants.