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Brad Drell Comments on the Communion Partners Plan

Sunday, February 24, 2008 • 9:26 am


As I have said over at T19,

“I appreciate anyone’s efforts at doing something.  I don’t begrudge those happy dioceses that will have some greater connection and fellowship with these five Primates.  And I don’t begrudge those bishops and clergy who will be able to get together at Gafcon.

Most of us in the average everyday dioceses—Alabama, Colorado, Mississippi, Southern Virginia, etc, etc,—will benefit from neither, but it is churlish to begrudge joy and fellowship to others just because it does nothing for oneself.”

Read the entire thing, from which the below is excerpted:

One important point of clarification is that, despite George Conger’s headline that the Presiding Bishop “backs” this plan, the bishops went to meet with the PB not to seek her permission, but to tell her what they were doing, that this did not violate the Constitution and Canons of the Episcopal Church, and that they were going to be perfectly transparent with what this new association will be about and what it will do. . . .

. . . Unfortunately, while this move may help conservative bishops in conservative Dioceses hold on until (and if!) the covenant is created, this is not some big overall solution folks have been hoping for. Frankly, nothing so far has been that. Will something like that ever come? Maybe, maybe not.


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It is good to hear they did not “ask permission” from the PB. I had noted that they presented the plan to
ABC and got his approval before showing it to PB.
Good end around with their backs covered, so to speak.
Perhaps more details about how the orthodox Bishops in TEC will create links with the Primates that have agreed to be part of the plan, and how
exactly the relationships will work,  will create a
basis for orthodox laity approval. We shall see.

[1] Posted by Marie Blocher on 02-24-2008 at 10:15 AM • top

Episcopal visitors: “We are going to exchange email addresses and cell phone numbers. We are not asking permission from you but rather informing you because this is not part of the canons.”
Exit stage left the visitors.
KJS: “Beers, get in here! Draw up amendments for GC09 to make exchanging email addresses an official abandonment of communion.”

[2] Posted by robroy on 02-24-2008 at 10:35 AM • top

...sorry guys - this is only a band aid and we all know what happens to band aids after a few weeks…You got to have a plan and address the problem. All this talk for months/years is going where? - there has to be a plan… There are a group of Liberal bishops wanting to change the Architecture of the church - this isn’t rocket science.

So…“Keep it Simple” guys and draw up a plan to combat these wrong doers - the time has come. I know I’m getting tired of all this talk as much as the next person - but the enemy is in front of us and must be fought and all the talk in the world will get us know where unless we have alternate plans to combat them!

[3] Posted by DOS on 02-24-2008 at 02:02 PM • top

#2 robroy LOL

[4] Posted by Bob K. on 02-24-2008 at 03:12 PM • top

Well, its seems to me its just a way for those “fence sitters” to cover their backsides. 
Quite a few of them know that they have parishes “THREATENING” to bail, and there’s quite a bit of pressure from their dioceses to “do something”..  Under this plan, they can claim they are under some sort of “alternate primatial foolishness”, so the “people” are not to worry….... LOL

Meantime, back at the Diocese Bursar’s office, the money is still going to TEC to back the lawsuits and the other stuff (including paying for KJS to go to Lambeth. 815 will never agree to this without the money still coming in… A case of not letting the right hand know what the left hand is doing.

Please folk, do NOT BE FOOLED.  This would make (at least externally) for the best of both worlds for these bishops. (Sorry Brad), but I speak the truth.  Covered in the blanket of “APO”, but performing as usual for as long as it takes for the people to see the truth or they can get to retirement whichever comes first.

Don’t waste any more time on this, it means nothing to the orthodox, and these bishops KNOW for a fact, no truly orthodox bishop will even consider signing on.

I just wonder how their flock feels about all of it.

Grannie Gloria

 

This HAS nothing at all to do with the truly orthodox, they will be left “swinging in the wind” by this bunch of “moderates”.

[5] Posted by Grandmother on 02-24-2008 at 03:43 PM • top

Grannie Gloria:

That’s not entirely true.  In my Diocese, parishes are allowed to redirect funds away from 815, and in parish, the same is true for individuals.  So, money is not going to 815 unless individuals and parishes want it to do so.  There is a purpose here, inasmuch as we can acknowledge a family on the level of our Diocese that does not have such fierce disagreement that we need to split, other than we can’t agree on whether to leave the Episcopal Church or not.  In any event…

[6] Posted by Brad Drell on 02-24-2008 at 06:19 PM • top

I’m well aware about the “redirection” of funds in many diocese including my own. However, since (if you read the fine print) KJS has not yet “agreed”, but simply been exposed to the idea, what on earth makes you think your diocese will not be required to be in ‘good standing” with TEC, should this idea come to pass?

That money will have to come made up from somewhere, plus surely you’ll be required to pick up any extra expenses for “APO” visits.
Plus, the Executive Council will surely have to “sign off”, and they will have their own wrinkles to add.

I’m sorry, but this whole thing stinks.  Those bishops didn’t even have the courage to contact any of the “orthodox” bishops even long enough to see what they thought. I think that (at least in my opinion) shows their self-interest.

And, another thing, if “transparency” is to be their modus operandi, they already blew that, with +Howes’ statement that they only published it because of Petre.

I guess its every “windsor bishop” for themselves now.  That’s truly sad.

PS:  I still love you Brad….
Grannie G.

PS: Please pray for our Diocese, KJS is feet on the ground here.

[7] Posted by Grandmother on 02-24-2008 at 07:50 PM • top

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