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Greg Griffith
Stand Firm Interviews: Bishop Jack Leo Iker
Monday, August 21, 2006 • 6:00 am
Jack Iker is Bishop of the Diocese of Fort Worth, a member of the Anglican Communion Network and the first to appeal for alternative primatial oversight following the election of Bishop Jefferts Schori as presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church.

Greg Griffith: You've said your primary reason for asking for alternative primatial oversight is that your diocese, as one that doesn't ordain women, does not recognize the validity of Bishop Jefferts Schori's orders. You're an easy mark for critics who want to characterize you as a reactionary and perhaps a sexist, despite your having stressed that your request is not a comment on the PB-elect personally. How do you respond to those critics?

Bishop Iker: It is always a temptation to dismiss those with whom we disagree by the use of derogatory labels. Those tempted to do so in this case, with reference to those who uphold an all male priesthood, must remember that this is the historic practice of the catholic church dating back to Jesus and the Apostles. They started it, not I, and still today the catholic church as a whole does not recognize the orders of women priests and bishops. I remain unconvinced by the arguments that have been put forward to support such ordinations and regard them as a fundamental break with apostolic faith and order.

Though our doubt about the validity of Katharine Jefferts Schori’s orders is the immediate and primary concern for asking for alternative primatial oversight, it is by no means the only reason. She espouses various heterodox views that are contrary to a bishop’s ministry to guard and defend the faith. Contrary to Holy Scripture and the apostolic practice of the whole church, she advocates the blessing of same-sex unions, thinks that calling Jesus our only Savior puts God in a box, and refers to him as "Mother Jesus."

My theological views are contrary to the ones she has espoused. Mine are shared by the vast majority of the Christian world and of the Anglican Communion. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would lead the universal church into all truth, not just the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the 21st century.

Greg Griffith: There are widely divergent opinions among orthodox Episcopalians on the issue of women's ordination. Has this caused any conflict between you and other orthodox bishops who support the ordination of women? If so, what does this portend for the future of orthodox Anglican unity in America? If not, how might the peaceful coexistence around this disagreement be a model not just for relations among the orthodox, but between them and revisionists as well?

Bishop Iker: Yes, there is a significant, critical difference between those bishops who do not ordain women to the priesthood and those who do. Some regard this innovation as a legitimate development in the historic faith and order of the church, while others among us do not. We are, however, all in complete agreement as to the moral authority of the Lambeth resolutions on this subject. This means a commitment "to live together in the highest degree of Communion possible." We uphold the principle of a process of "open reception" as defined by the Eames Commission on Women in the Episcopate, which recognizes that in the end the whole church ultimately may accept or reject the practice of ordaining women as priests and bishops. The 1998 Lambeth Resolution III.2 states that "we affirm that those who dissent from, as well as those who assent to, the ordination of women to the priesthood and episcopate, are both loyal Anglicans," and "that there is and should be no compulsion on any bishop in matters concerning ordination or licensing."

We agree that eventually our differences on this issue will have to be resolved, one way or the other. As the church lives with this experiment, it presents practical difficulties in that not every ordained person is recognized by the whole church. There is the need for mutual respect, but we must also not compel anyone to act contrary to conscience.

On this issue, the Anglican Communion Instruments of Unity have all said, "Maybe - we shall see - the verdict is still out." However, on the issue of same-sex blessings and the ordination of active homosexuals persons, these Instruments have said, "No, we cannot endorse this - this goes beyond the limits of diversity."

Greg Griffith: Bishop Schofield of San Joaquin has been charged by bishops Bruno, Lamb, Mathes, and Swing of abandonment of communion, the penalty for which may include deposition and the declaration of +Schofield's see as vacant. It is the episcopacy's equivalent of the death penalty. What do you think the probability is that this penalty will be imposed, and if it is, what practical ability does 815 have to enforce it?

Bishop Iker: What is sad about the case against Bishop Schofield is that it really has more to do with trying to hold onto property by these revisionist bishops who have brought the charges than it does the faithfulness of Bishop Schofield. It is a misuse of this canon, and I hope the investigation leads to a speedy dismissal of the charges against him.

I think this attack will serve to further unite the Diocese of San Joaquin around their bishop and will bring some of the "fence sitters" more fully to his support.

If reason does not prevail and the House of Bishops eventually votes to depose Bishop Schofield, it will be interesting to see how they try to enforce it. Will they send in another Task Force from the Executive Council? My guess is that many will simply refuse to accept the deposition and that life in the Diocese of San Joaquin will continue on under the leadership of Bishop Schofield. It would be very difficult to preserve the unity of the church under such circumstances. Some would see this as the first step by the revisionists in an attempt to eliminate the opposition.

Greg Griffith: You'll be joining a number of other bishops in September at Camp Allen, for a consultation called by Bishop Wimberly to discuss, in the bishop's words, "a way forward that both prevents some in our Church from 'walking apart', and others from seeking irregular means of preserving their Anglican identity." Those in attendance must confirm beforehand their commitment to 4 key points, which are notable for the fact that both the outgoing and incoming presiding bishops, as well as several other key bishops in TEC, have spoken and/or acted against these points, and presumably cannot attend without recanting years of words and actions. What do you think are the odds that this meeting will succeed in meeting Bishop Wimberly's goals?

Bishop Iker: I commend Bishop Wimberly for taking the initiative in convening this meeting of Windsor bishops and Network bishops, so that together we may find a way forward as constituent members of the Anglican Communion. I hope that one result of this consultation will be that several of the others will decide to become part of the Anglican Communion Network. We need to work together in assisting the Archbishop of Canterbury’s efforts to realign the Communion around an agreed upon Covenant. This meeting will move us in that direction and is a sign of hope for the future.

Greg Griffith: There will be a significant number of revisionist bishops who will not be able to attend unless they reverse their positions on fundamental points in this debate. Whether the meeting fails or succeeds, what message should they take from the fact that the meeting is being held at all?

Bishop Iker: The only sensible message for the revisionist bishops to take from all of this is that we are not going to be marginalized and relegated to some sort of "associate" membership status in the Anglican Communion. The bishops taking counsel together at Camp Allen are committed to compliance with the teaching of the Anglican Communion and, I would add, to the historic teaching of the Church Catholic. We are willing to stand and fight for what we believe.

Greg Griffith: There is already concern on the orthodox side that you and your fellow Network bishops' positions might be compromised at Camp Allen - "diluted" is a word often used - in an attempt to expand your base. Are these concerns valid? Can you explain why or why not?

Bishop Iker: There are always dangers of compromise. To some extent, of course, we have already done this. Some of us cannot accept the validity of the ordination of women to the priesthood and episcopate, but we belong to the Network, where the majority of bishops support such ordinations. We are committed to living together in "the highest degree of Communion possible," in the midst of these differences. But I don’t see how the positions of the Network bishops are likely to be compromised or "diluted" by the consultation at Camp Allen. The very terms for accepting Bishop Wimberly’s invitation seem to preclude any such compromise. I have already said to my colleagues in the Network that I am not willing to allow the most timid of Windsor bishops to determine the course that the Diocese of Fort Worth will take in the future.

Greg Griffith: Whatever becomes of the Camp Allen consultation, it seems clearer by the day that the number of dioceses that don't intend to follow 815 into "associate" communion status will constitute at least a majority, and perhaps a sizeable majority, of the Episcopal Church. Assuming push must sooner or later come to shove, what role might the Archbishop of Canterbury and the rest of the primates play in the realignment; or is this something the Americans must settle amongst themselves?

Bishop Iker: So far we Americans have had very little success in settling things amongst ourselves! That’s why seven dioceses (and I think there will be others) have appealed to the Archbishop for alternative primatial oversight. We need an intervention. We need the help and support of the whole Anglican Communion to address the crisis American revisionists have created. Yet the Archbishop is not a pope, and he cannot impose a solution upon us. Our problem is rooted in the fact that we have acted like an independent protestant sect, while historically we have considered ourselves a province of the whole Catholic Church. This is part of our objection to the revisionist agenda. It treats the Episcopal Church as just one church among many - a church that can decide whatever it wants, no matter what others think. The Network, on the other hand, believes in submission to the consensus of Christians throughout the world, Anglicans first, but then the whole of Christendom. We uphold the biblical faith of the undivided church. The Archbishop of Canterbury is the key instrument of unity in the Anglican Communion, and it is his responsibility to hold the Communion together in this biblical faith. This means that he will have to use his influence to intervene in disputes within provinces such as the Episcopal Church. Neither he nor any other primate can compel the Episcopal Church to act differently than we have, but Canterbury does have the power and right to say who is Anglican and who is not - a power exercised by his prerogative to decide who should be invited to the Lambeth Conference of Bishops. The revisionist bishops know this, and it causes them no small amount of concern. When the Archbishop is ready to act, he will find the Windsor and Network bishops as strong allies.
Comments:

Very good job, Greg, and great questions.  Thanks for taking the time to do this, especially during a tough work week for you.

My respect for Bishop Iker continues to grow.  He is somehow able to hold to some firm positions as an Anglo-Catholic and Christian, yet commit to working together with other Network and Windsor bishops, as he quotes in a commitment “to live together in the highest degree of Communion possible.” This seems to be a high ideal for him.

I haven’t seen this sort of attitude very often—and I don’t meet many people who are able to both hold to their positions yet maintain godly alliances.  I hope that such an alliance between Anglo-Catholic and Evangelical believers may continue, with allowances for conscience. 

Reading his reasoned calm words gives me hope for the future of Anglicaniam.

[1] Posted by Sarah Hey on 08-21-2006 at 07:33 AM

Maybe it’s the cynic in me, but I feel that the only solution is some seperation.  The 90% of ECUSA is cancerous, frankly, to normalcy.  The whole idea of doing what we want to do is akin to there not being a Supreme Court to rein in the Congress.

ECUSA will forever continue in it’s “because we want to, we feel good doing so” direction.

I can’t accept that.  After hearing such drivel in a sermon yesterday, with a healthy dose of “please stay with us (and continue funding us)” thrown in for good measure, I’m just SICK.

[2] Posted by Clay From Dallas on 08-21-2006 at 09:38 AM

Sarah,

I understand there are several parishes in Ft Worth that wanted female rectors, so +Jack arranged for episcopal oversight for them from +Jim Stanton of Dallas, who is strongly evangelical.  (I have no idea whether the converse situation has arisen.)

So the Consecrated Cowboy is as good as his word when he says, “There is the need for mutual respect, but we must also not compel anyone to act contrary to conscience.” If there were a lot more +Ikers in the HoB, we wouldn’t be in this unGodly [literally] mess.

[3] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 08-21-2006 at 01:18 PM

Bishops Iker and Stanton, and for that matter +Duncan, have consistently demonstrated grace and love in their ministries. The are a huge contrast to such beligerants as +Schane, +Bennison, +Swing, etc., etc., etc.

[4] Posted by Gulfstream on 08-21-2006 at 06:33 PM

I have noticed over the last couple of weeks the self-initiated presence of Bp Iker on strategic blogs.  My conclusion at this point after reading this interview is that the good bishop is on the recruiting trail.  Perhaps even missionary.  And there is much here to suggest not a foreign missionary society, but a domestic one.  That’s been my primary strategy for the church as well.  Perhaps that why I observe his recent actions as such.  In any case, I am
also encouraged by this interview.

On the other hand, it is hard to see how the Diocese of San Joaquin isn’t any more or less supportive of our bishop than Fort Worth is of Bp Iker.  So I wonder about that comment.

[5] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 08-22-2006 at 01:37 AM

Rob,

Actually, I asked the bishop for an interview - he didn’t initiate it. He did graciously agree to it, and we put it together over the course of a couple of weeks.

I think his comment re San Joaquin was entire supportive, indicating at least as high a level of support there as in FW.

[6] Posted by Greg Griffith on 08-22-2006 at 09:01 AM

Rob+
I don’t think he was making a comparison though in FW there are a lot people who really aren’t paying attention.  This is probably true in SJ.  If they came after our Bishop, I suspect a lot of folks would wake up and rally around the Bishop.  This is the point I understood him to make in SJ.

Ryan+

[7] Posted by rreed on 08-22-2006 at 10:56 AM

guys, Greg, Ryan,
thanks for the opportunity to elaborate; should have been more careful…

I wasn’t implying that the interview itself was initiated by +Jack.  I’m referring specifically to his entrance to blogs as a registered member, or at least as making himself so much more available for conversation than most other bishops at this point.  Am I the only one who noticed this? In my estimation, this is a substantial (and positive) move.

Also, I wasn’t implying that HE was making a comparison; but he obviously was making a comment based on information that he has on “fence sitters” in San Joaquin, which I don’t disagree with.  This business with the Title IV thing, not withstanding. In fact, the allegations of Abandonment of Communion has gotten very little media play in our part of the world.  I raised the issue with our parish leadership recently and nearly all of them had not heard a word (then they got filled in!).  Point being that even before this ABand. thingy, San Joaquin is very supportive of our bishop as a leader of solid faith and witness.  As word gets around, we are moreso, as Bp Iker said should happen.  I hear myself saying things between the lines here, but to avoid meaningless speculation I’ll just leave it at that.

Greg, thanks again for the interview.  With +J-D on AnglicanTV and this interview with Bp Iker a powerful intimacy is being shared.  Why does the Church have to wait for such moments of forced difficulty to believe that any vulnerability even exists?
It’s ok, I know the human dynamics answer…

[8] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 08-22-2006 at 11:52 AM

Greg,

Thanks for the great interview.

I was ordained in Ft. Worth (by Bishop Pope) and served under Bishop Iker for a few years.  What you see is what you get and the villification that he has received is absolutely unwarranted.

He has remained orthodox in the face of much pressure from conservatives to just go along with the ordination of women.  His consistency, genuine pastoral love of his diocese and candor in addressing TEC issues are the marks of what a bishop should be.

No offense to any other Windsor/Network bishops, but he should be the one to whom we look for leadership in this crisis.

[9] Posted by Chaps on 08-22-2006 at 12:19 PM

Rob+
I too am a supporter of your Bishop even though I’m in another diocese.  I’ve had the pleasure of serving with him in a number of events.  He is a kind, caring, committed Christian leader.  If more Bishop’s were like him and Bishop Iker…
I’m glad Bishop Iker is keeping updated and even engaging some of these things.  I don’t know if many other Bishop’s even know what a blog is.

Ryan+

[10] Posted by rreed on 08-22-2006 at 12:38 PM

Ryan,
Bp Schofield is not yet a blogger, but he has become very aware of their impact.

Right.  The rest of those bishops out there (probably more in the “center” of the Church) most likely hear the word “bog” rather than “blog”, which of course is a place to stay away from, lest you end up looking like this.

Also, I’m sure they’ve heard that many blog bodies “show signs of being brutally killed, stabbed, bludgeoned, hanged and strangled, more than once by all means.”
At the least, and perhaps their greatest fear, their deposits to the blog eventually get unearthed and go through a miserable amount of examination, including prodding, comparative study and autopsy.
Knowing that bogs are part of the Anglican world, despite an inherent and obligatory nod to Scottish influence, they would just as soon remain comfortable in their own world context.  Overheard by a non-bogging bishop, “It may be a cold, oxygen-less, acidic swamp, but it’s my swamp.”

[11] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 08-22-2006 at 03:30 PM

So much for my lunch time.

[12] Posted by Rob Eaton+ on 08-22-2006 at 03:33 PM

“It may be a cold, oxygen-less, acidic swamp, but it’s my swamp.”

Why must you guys always make fun of the Diocese of Newark?

[13] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 08-22-2006 at 04:19 PM

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