So what will the AoC do with this alternate Bishop from the potemkin DSJ?  Will he issue an invitation to Lambeth, and will he disinvite Bishop Schofield?  What are the implications of inviting both, or only one?  No doubt that is the pile of dung KJS wishes to drop onto Rowan Williams’ desk.  He won’t be able to avoid the issue, and she wants it that way.

That is why she is hellbent to see this all accomplished before Lambeth - the sacred constitution & canons be damned.  What a coup it would be for her to see her stooge quisling lackey loyal comrade replace Bishop Schofield.  It would simultaneously validate her, and invalidate her domestic opposition.  And it would inflame even further the rift between the AoC and the Anglican orthodox.

I am beginning to think KJS wants to split the communion, and is actively working toward that goal.  It would make sense for her to rid the AC of her most determined theological opponents.  Once they are gone, the center of gravity in the communion will have shifted, and the idea of the AC as a federation of churches united only by history will have been established.  KJS is playing for big stakes indeed.

carl

Carl, I don’t think that interim bishops necessarily get invites to the tea party. My prediction is that the legal shenanigans guarantee that Bp Schofield’s invitation won’t be revoked.

Thanks.  I always enjoy reading Father Dan.
Greg, I don’t suppose you have anyone blogging this weekend’s rump convention in Lodi, do you?  It’s not as if there will be any surprises…

Carl, I don’t think that interim bishops necessarily get invites to the tea party.

Well, she will have to get DBB cracking on that little problem right away.  After watching her bludgeon at will and with impunity through her own sacred canons, I have faith in her ability to overcome any procedural obstacle.  I hope you are correct, robroy.  But I predict that within 30 days KJS will be publically asking the AoC to issue an invitation to the new and improved Bishop of DSJ - now with official consents and extra ingredients to remove those tough stains.

carl

I smell new traditions comming.

Greg, I don’t suppose you have anyone blogging this weekend’s rump convention in Lodi, do you?

As much as I hate to say it, right now it looks like Jake’s place is the best bet for updates on the SJ Imaginary Diocese Convention. You just have to bite your tongue and ignore all the revisionista toro caca.

the snarkster

I still want to know how a Standing Committee who was six is now only three will operate. I posted this question on Fr. Dan’s Blog and I asked the question to Fr. Rob Eaton and have received no answer from either. Why is that? So I will post and ask it here
Here are the six that signed the letter to KJS on Feb. 1st 2008:
J. Snell Rector St. Columba Church Fresno
M. McClenaghan Rector St. Paul’s Modesto
R. Eaton Rector St. John’s Tulare
K. Robinson Lay person ???
T. Wright Lay person St. Paul’s Modesto
R. James Rector St. Paul’s Visalia

Of these six
Fr. R. James of Visalia and his vestry have voted this past month to join us and Bishop Schofield in the So. Cone.
Fr. M. McClenaghan of Modesto & his vestry will be voting this weekend to affiliate with AMiA.
Mr. T. Wright is a lay person from Modesto St. Paul’s

So, technically, just like the others who were elected with them and were asked to step down due to being in another Province and not in TEc it would stand to reason that they too are not eligible to serve. So, the Standing Committee of six is now three! How do these three operate as a Standing Committee?

Canon III.13.1 states in part that “a Diocese without a Bishop may, by an act of its Convention, and in consultation with the Presiding Bishop, be placed under the provisional charge and authority of a Bishop of another Diocese or of a resigned Bishop"…

Is this true.  If so, why all the fuss about what is happening.  Surely this Diocese is without a Bishop since ++Schofield resigned.  He did, didn’t he - - -

“By act of it’s convention”.  Does that mean a Diocesan Convention must be called, or can the Standing Committee act on it’s behalf.

We need a “neutral” caono lawyer here.  Not someone wiuth an axe to grind - - -

This certainly does seem to give the ++PB a role’ - - -

Thanks for posting this Fr. Dan link. I agree with Carl’s assessment of PB Schori’s big game hunting. Once ‘The Episcopal Church’ was revealed, there seemed little doubt that global ambitions were in play. In a recent speech (sermon?) PB Schori brought tidings from The Episcopal Church in the US and all of her satellites and members even though traditionally, the dioceses/provinces seemed a part of the Anglican Communion and not exactly a part of ECUSA Primarily. I have wonder for a while just what is +Williams’ thinking. Is he conceding the Communion to The Episcopal Church?

Well that’s interesting - the Episcocrats have jumped the gun today: Canon Kearon’s ACO in London have just amended the entry for San Joaquin to declare the seat vacant.

I expect they anticipate being asked for a Lambeth invite for the Presiding Bishop’s chaplain to Remain Episcopal shortly.

#7 - Yes they may have voted to leave - but have they left yet.  Untill they actually leave, IMHO, they are still eligible to act.  E.G. I intend to vote for Ross Perot this fall, but I haven’t voted yet, so I’m still a Virginian.

Yup nice to see the London Episcocrats towing the PB’s line - it is of course completely unacceptable to have the office for the Communion staffed by members of a church in a process of discipline.

I see they have changed the website as well.

Time to have a jolly good look at what Canon Kearon has been up to.

We may well need to look at having a clearout in London generally.

What else is happening here - well Simon Sarmiento who should know better is trotting out the TEC propaganda claiming that 2 prior depositions failed to have canonical majorities so the Cox/Schofield ones are fine.

Star-Ace,
Read it again! One has Fr. Richard James for sure and you are giving a very long rope to those such as Fr. Mike in Modesto who has spent a good deal of money going to Plano Tx a few monthsago to attend an AMiA Church Planting meeting. Get real! It is what it is!

As much as I hate to say it, right now it looks like Jake’s place is the best bet for updates on the SJ Imaginary Diocese Convention

This is a nice analysis of the confluence of many variables.  It is interesting to reflect how the combination of different variables have a synergistic effect.  For example, the dispersed authority of the AC and the consequent ambiguity of accountability gives the Internet more traction.  As do the clubbishness of the HoB and consequent lack of discipline.
I don’t think the proposed Title IV changes to include lay people will reduce the influence of the Internet.  Christopher Johnson at Midwest Conservative Journal left TEC long ago and still posts on it regularly.  If anything, he’s gotten edgier.

Yes, snarkster, but that’s only because Jake now confines his blog to alternating between San Joaquin and “Akinola is an accomplice to murder” posts.

Carl (1) It’s become apparent....to me at least, and I don’t think I’m alone here....that splitting the Communion is on Schori’s mind, and I’ll tell you why:

The Episcopal Church is not confined to the North American continent....we all know that.  There are provinces in at least 16 overseas areas.  Some are self-supporting to a degree, but others are entirely propped up by TEC.  Panama is a good example of that.  Brazil is Schori’s sphere of influence, as are a number of others in Central America.

I believe that TEC is in the early stages of setting up a separate Communion....The Episcopal Communion, if you will.

Chris Johnson and others who have left TEC, including myself, still care what happens there on the TEC/Anglican frontline. We’re not content to laze about where it is “safe” because we know that the battle is coming to our houses soon enough. The defense of the Gospel is every Christian’s duty.

Disclosure: Convert to RCC but most of my life was spent searching in a variety of Protestant churches ... 

I understand that many orthodox Anglicans are trying to fight an internal/rear guard action to reclaim their Church. Fighting heresies has been a constant struggle; for example, Arianism posed a huge threat to Christian theology for the early Church.  It was answered, but it was certainly not easy. 

However, I am wondering what is seen as the the best strategy for success in replacing the current theology of TEC with an orthodox Christian theology?  If basic institutional rules of procedure are easily ignored, what tools are left?  What gives hope to those of you who continue to soldier on? 

I am genuinely curious, and those of you who are engaged have my prayers and my best wishes.

And Dan is only now waking up to this reality?

[19] Cennydd,
Yes, TEC is already an international communion of churches.
TEC is well positioned so that it can stay in the Anglican Communion if the AC continues to move toward approval of same sex unions, or be its own international “Christian” communion, if the AC rejects it.

I doubt that KJS wants to split the communion. She needs the communion to give her and her theology credibility. Perhaps she wants OTHER people to split the communion: she will not cry if Nigeria and Uganda leave, but she will not leave and set up shop by herself unless she is forced to.

And nobody is going to do that.

What KJS et. al. are willing to do is “prove” they are right or bring the entire communion down with them.

Schori doesn’t want to split the Communion?  Seems to me that that’s exactly what she’s doing!

Regardless of what some may think about our reasoning and motives, we voted to do two things at our December convention:

We voted for the required second time to delete all mention of The Episcopal Church from our constitution, and we did it legally, and we voted to affiliate with....NOT JOIN....the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone of the Americas....AFTER Archbishop Gregory Venables and his House of Bishops made arrangements to take us under their protection ON A TEMPORARY AND EMERGENCY PASTORAL BASIS. 

Bishop Schofield very carefully explained the situation to the diocese and delegates BEFORE the convention, and we knew full well what we were getting into and what the probable consequences would be.  We accepted the risks.  We knew that our faithful bishop would be “deposed,” and so did he.  The attempted “inhibition” didn’t work, and so Schori & Company tried the deposition tactic.  THAT evidently didn’t work, either.  They screwed up ROYALLY!

Be that as it may, we left The Episcopal Church along with our bishop, we are recognized by the Province of the Southern Cone, we have received words of encouragement and support from all over the Anglican Communion, and as far as I’M concerned, IT IS A DONE DEAL!  IT IS FINISHED, and our Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin is moving forward and doing Christ’s work....NO MATTER WHAT THE COST MAY BE!

From the Sandpit:

Canon Lawe: You must not take the other kids’ toys
Mark: But you didn’t say anything when we did it to Larry and Donald
Simon: Yeah that’s right
Toby: It’s precedent
Katie: It was that Holy Spirit - anyway what you gonna do about it?
David: That’s what we’ve decided!
Daddy: Well, um…

"The world, that understandable and lawful world, was slipping away.”
- William Golding, Lord of the Flies

I forgot to mention that the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin is under the TEMPORARY protection of the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone of the Americas until such time as The Episcopal Church repents of its actions, or until such time as a new Anglican Province is organized for North America.  We are not Episcopalians.

I have to say that I have looked at the rather thin reports of the depositions of Larry and Donald. In one case no figures are given and in the other it is noted that the decision of the HOB was unanimous.  Given the ability of TEC to breed bishops [if not congregants]it is not clear that the depositions were by less than a majority of the whole of the bishops entitled to vote rather than a majority of the bishops attending and voting at those meetings.  Is there precedent that the HOB ignored the canons in the past I wonder?

TCGC splits from Anglican Communion. With its HUGELY POPULOUS constituant churches behind it (The Episcopal Church of Tinynesia, etc.) they set up their own communion electing ...... who else ......... KJS to be the (anti-pope), (anti-Christ), Arch(-psuedo) Bishop. What fun.