Presiding Bishop calls ++Venables’ visit to Ft. Worth an “Unwarranted Invasion”

Archbishop Venables is coming to the Diocese at my invitation and as an honored guest, which hardly makes it “an unwarranted invasion.”  The only meddling going on here is on Katharine’s part.  And who is she to accuse someone else of uncanonical actions?

+JLI

Archbishop Venables didn’t heed the nonsense of ++Fred Hiltz, nor need he heed the nonsense of KJS.

See you Saturday, Bishop Iker.

Carry on, Bishop Iker. Thank the Lord Almighty for at least one bishop with a spine.

As for “reconciliation” I’d be more willing to believe her if she actually showed any sign of doing any.

She had the effrontery to mention canons!  Like she acts by them?  Proof that her mathematical ability with statistics is evidence of her grasp of many issues - malleable.  This from the lips of the Dar es Salaam “truth-teller”?  Jesuit mental reservations under a papal indulgence couldn’t cover this amount of cupidity.

It is interesting how the PB spends an inordinate amount of time warning primates not to meddle in the US, writing letters threatening conservative American bishops, suing parishes, and planning and scheming strategy to smash this conservative backlash against the innovations of the last few year, while all of the time saying that this is just an insignificant few in the church who are doing this.  If this is such an insignificant few, why Kate are you spending so much of your time and energy on them?

The Episcopal Church does not accept that Christ is THE way nor believe that He is the destination.  At Easter, they preach about cow flatulence instead of the saving grace of our Lord’s sacrifice. Christ’s purpose here on earth was not to make it perfect ... he came not to instill millennium goals but rather spread the good word.  They have put themselves above scripture based on some arrogant notion that they themselves have a better understanding of God’s purpose ... well then God Himself.

Can’t wait until this Fall when the Episcopal Church is in the rear view mirror and I am turning into a driveway named “Anglican Communion”.

Remember, Bishop Shori has little to no canonical authority in any diocese.  Presiding Bishop Venables is being invited by the Ordinary of Ft. Worth.  Regradless of what you think of Bishop Iker (and I think highly of him) you cannot describe +Venables’ visit as “unwarranted invasion of ... this province.”

Of couse, we could also talk about the unwarranted changes to the Christian Faith and Practice of this province and ask +KJS why she supports them - but I tried that.

YBIC,
Phil Snyder

Hmmm, women bishops are profoundly uncanonical. Oops, don’t point out the hypocrisy.

Dear Katharine,
Where is the letter to Sam Hulsey adking him to stay in his own diocese and mind his own business?
Thanks,
Diocese of NW Texas

Oops - “asking”

If PB Schori and ABC Williams had not dismantled APO, recommended by all of the primates, including themselves, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. 
If GC2003 had followed the requests and recommendations of the Lambeth Conference, the Anglican Consultative Council, the primates, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and TEC’s own theology committee, we wouldn’t be having this crisis.

We have the “I like Iker” buttons…..how about “I love to quote Iker” buttons….

Hang in there Bishop Iker.  Schoris come and go, but the Word of God and His Kingdom last forever.

RE: “Archbishop Venables is coming to the Diocese at my invitation .  . .”

Oh Bishop Iker.  I’m not sure you understand—the Presiding Bishop and Supreme Episcopate is in charge of all dioceses.  She alone needs to approve all “visitors” to dioceses.  Please make sure you submit a list of invitees in future so that she may approve them.

What a profoundly strange thing to say. ++Gregory is not bound by the canons of TEC, and there are no Communion-wide canons—so what canons is ++Gregory breaking that are binding on him.

Thank you, Bishop Jack, for your strong leadership.  I love +Peter, but I also know that if a certain episcopal election in Province V had gone another way, we’d still be OK.

Prayers for DioFW for the Lord’s wisdom and protection.

May He richly bless faithful men like +Iker & ++Venables.

And yet, she remains his “servant in Christ.”  That’s always my favorite part of her cease-and-desist-from-healing-on-the-sabbath letters like this one.

Does anyone know if she privately contacted Bishop Iker or Archbishop Venables before using the “Hiltz option” and publishing her feelings in a worldwide, public forum?

Seems in rather poor taste if this is the path she chose.

My goodness..Archbishop Greg is such a wonderful witness to the risen Lord, the risen Lord who Katherine denies with every breath…this is stunning…takes the breath from my lungs…

... not to bring further discord ... That is my job.
+KJS

I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church.

Put a spork in it.

Dear Kate:

I am astonished that you would waste paper, gas, ink, and human resources by sending me a letter.  Next time, please bring it on foot, on reused diocesan lawsuit paper, written in inks made solely from plants that are native to your planet. 

May the Sporks be with you…

Doctor deSporkian!  Polity Emergency!  Report to DFW Stat!

Maybe she just needs reminding that TEC does not have a “Primate.”  Bishop Katharine: you are not the boss of them.  Mind your knittin’, and don’t mess with Texas.

Archbishop Venables is invading the San Diego diocese this week…alleluia…

Classless AND clueless.  KJS is truly a threat from both sides of the plate.

++Nzimbi occasionally visits our AMiA parish.  Wanna take that one on your Squishopness?

“They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Province.”
To quote Pageantmaster on another thread, “Duck- incoming reconciliation”

What part of “we’re not in communion with you” don’t you understand?

I have a set of black suit ready; black shoes polished; black shirt ready to wear; white collar well starched; and a full tank of gas in my SUV. As one of the Real Men in Black of the Diocese of Fort Worth, I just can’t wait for this weekend’s activities associated with our August visitor’s “profoundly uncanonical” visit to the Diocese of Fort Worth.
Bishop Iker is leading his flock to THE FATHER through THE WAY. This godly bishop is being led by THE Holy Spirit to bring God’s people out of the darkness that has engulfed the Episcopal Church these past several years.  Bishop Iker is led by the Holy Spirit. As for that lady in New York, we know not what spirit leadeth her.

Obviously, going by what was evident at last Sunday’s celebration of the 15th Anniversary of Bishop Iker’s consecration to the bishopric, the clergy and laity of the Diocese of Fort Worth support and love our bishop very dearly. Eat your heart out Katherine!

Fr. Kingsley Jon-Ubabuco
St. Philip-the-Apostle
Arlington, TX (DofFW)

Mrs. Schori, who does not have the authority to do so,  calls a special convention at a church in the Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin.  She appoints a retired heretic as bishop, which she does not have the authority to do.  Then she accuses Archbishop Venables’ visit to the Diocese of Ft. Worth an invasion???  What other jokes does she know?

Dear International Leader,

I write to urge you not to bring further discord into China. Visiting Tibet with the expressed purpose of describing international human rights protection is an unprecedented and unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the internal affairs of this nation. I ask you to consider how you might receive such a visit to your own nation from a fellow head of state. The actions contemplated by some leaders in Tibet are profoundly illegal. They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this nation.

I urge you to focus your human rights advocacy within your own nation. May your advocacy there be fruitful. I remain

Your servant in human rights advocacy,
Katharine Jefferts Schori

If this is an “Invasion”, may we greet him with the biggest Texas welcome this town has ever seen. Thank you for inviting him, Right Reverend Sir. Kill the fatted methane producing calf (TEX-BBQ) and make all the fixings. Party time in Cowtown starting on Friday and some more good Bible teaching. Revival time! Praising the Lord forever and ever! Amen.

The presiding bishop thinks she can tell a diocesan bishop that he cannot invite whatever guests that he wants, especially a primate of the Anglican Communion? I would love for someone to tell me where that is found in the constitution and canons.

They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Province.

The kind of reconciliation that she is referring to was described by Chris Johnson as “BOMRIC”.

In answer to your question, robroy:  It AIN’T!

I wish you all could’ve been at St James’ Cathedral in Fresno today, April 29th, when Archbishop Venables paid us a visit.  We met for a seminar with him, followed by a special Mass and reception with him and his gracious wife.  “WOW” is the best way I can describe this experience!  He is a “class act,” and a powerful speaker….but more importantly, he is an absolutely dedicated Man of God!  I met him personally, and I was immensely impressed.

And by the way:  The cathedral was PACKED!

What a wonderful thing that AB Venables can take the time to visit Fort Worth.  What a wonderful thing that Fort Worth can witness a true servant of Christ.  What a shame that Katy can’t join the fun. I continue to pray that God will soften her heart and open her eyes.  God bless you ++Greg and welcome to Texas!!!

Donnette Schorlione’s letter close-captioned for the PEcUSA double-speak impaired.

From ELO-NEWS:

Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori has advised Southern Cone Presiding Bishop Gregory J. Venables in an April 29 letter…

A letter, which, magically, has appeared on the Internet before it even made it into the U.S. Mail service. Fancy that! Yup… why bother to write a private letter—or even simply phone ++Venables—when what you’re really doing is posturing and protesting in public to make Integrity happy and get public documents set up for future law suits.

We haven’t even gotten to the text of the letter yet… but is anyone even taking this transparent charade seriously?

Oh, right, some will—i.e. the head-in-the-sands it’s-not-happening-in-my-parish oh-it’s-no-big-deal hey-it’s-just-some-lunatic-fringe-people-causing-trouble Episcopalians whose church has been systematically deceiving and theologically blinkering for 40 years now. Of course. Silly me.

Then again, the average such person is nearly 60 years old and in a parish with an ASA of around 30. Can’t count on their willful blindness and institutionally-induced ignorance keeping putting in the weekly check for too much longer, now can you?

Oh, hang on…. maybe that’s why PEcUSA wants those valuable properties which they didn’t pay a cent for so badly—so they can sell them off to fund law suits, pensions, airfair to Lambeth to have tea with the Queen, and martini dinners in NYC… with a 00.7% left over for a token donation to the MDGs. Silly me.

But let’s take a look at that letter, shall we?

Dear Gregory,

Hey you wretched conservative over whom I don’t have any jurisdiction more’s the pity,

I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church.

We’ve got enough discord by our own last holdouts of conservative and somewhat traditional belief… we don’t need people like you coming in from abroad and stirring things up by giving examples of genuine Anglican Christianity. If everyone would just cave in to the apostasy, we wouldn’t have any of this discord—so the discord is all their fault and you’re not helping!!!

Visiting a special convocation of the Diocese of Fort Worth with the expressed purpose of describing removal to the Province of the Southern Cone is an unprecedented and unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the internal affairs of this Province.

After all, I’m the only one allowed to invade a foreign province, steal its assets, and attempt to reconstitute back under my control. It’s okay for me to do that in San Joaquin (even if it means ignoring the legal bishop, deposing the legal standing committee, and illegally appointing my own toady… and I promise you, we’re going to get all that property and buildings back!) but don’t you dare think you can come make a pastoral visit at the invitation of the local bishop. That’s crossing the line, buddy! I can do whatever I damn well feel like—especially because the House of Bishops is too spineless and craven to stop my rampant illegality—but don’t you dare put a toe anywhere in the USA without MY express permission, regardless of who invited you or for what reason!

I ask you to consider how you might receive such a visit to your own Province from a fellow primate.

(Answer: with a lot more grace, civililty, and tact that you are, Madame Schoria!)

The actions contemplated by some leaders in Fort Worth are profoundly uncanonical.

I.e. I don’t agree with them. You should know by now that my opinion—not the clear word of law or constitution—is all that matters in PEcUSA. Besides, DBB and I don’t quite yet have all our ducks in a row for the crushing of the diocese of Fort Worth, the deposition of its faithful bishop and priests, and the theft of its property… so we’re going to scream “canons canons canons” at you until we’re all set to move in and uncanonically rip its parishes away from its people.

They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Province.

After all, “reconcilliation” means the disenfranchizement of everyone who disagrees with me, the theft of every parish’s property, the crushing of all genuine Christian faith, the imposition of our wide assortment of revisionist heresies and apostasies, and the driving out of our institution of any vestige of tradition Christian faith or Anglican practice. We just need to get everyone (or, at least, everyone who’s staying in the organization) reconciled to that new reality. See… “reconciled”... “reconciliation”... that’s what we mean by it—and, once again, you’re not helping!

I urge you to focus your pastoral ministry within your own Province.

And stop being pastoral to the Christians whom I am persecuting and marginalizing—because that’s showing up just how un-pastoral, duplicitous, uncharitable, apostate, egocentric, and meretricious my own leadership is… and we can’t risk letting any of those clueless head-in-the-sand write-the-weekly-check ‘Piskies we count on stumbling across something which might actually shock them out of their self-indulgent stupor to see what’s really going on!

May your ministry there be fruitful.

Of course, we’ve got more fruits up here in PEcUSA, so nyah-nyah.

I remain Your servant in Christ,

Well, actually, I remain your implacable enemy because I serve Mammon and the Spirit of this world, not Christ and the Holy Spirit… but if I mouth the pious platitudes you’ll have to be nice to me in any response and I can whine and play the victim card if you say anything at all harsh or—worse yet—if you remember the example of how the apostle John reacted to Cerinthus. (Ha! Bet you didn’t know I knew that bit of apostolic trivia, now did you? Not that I ever read that sort of stuff in seminary, but Gene mentioned it when he was talking about how God isn’t the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and so I googled it!)

Katharine Jefferts Schori

That’s Doctor BISHOP ALL POWERFUL AND EXULTED ONE Schori to you, buddy.

I would like to invite all of you to come join us at St. Andrew’s this Sunday evening at 5 for our Choral Evensong Service at which Archbishop Venables will be preaching.  There will be a question and answer time with the archbishop following the service. 

http://www.st-andrew.com/content/0244_venablesposter.pdf

Bill+
http://st-andrew.com/

Dear Presiding Bishop Schori,

Please address all future communication through the Primatial Vicar, whom you agreed to work with at DES.

Thank you.

And if Sunday evening at St. Andrew’s doesn’t work well for your schedule, consider coming to St. Vincent’s Cathedral on Sunday morning. Archbishop Venables will preach at the 9 AM and 11:15 AM masses, and speak to the parish in between in the nave. Or better yet, come to both St. Vincent’s and St. Andrew’s!

BTW, Choral Evensong at St. Andrew’s is magnificent even under “normal” circumstances. This weekend it will no doubt be rapturous!

Oh,oh, sounds like the “bishop” is scared of more property loss!  This is pathetic and a disgrace to the Anglican Communion.

Is it possible to bring further discord to the Episcopal Church?

I guess we know who is the head of the Diocese of Fort Worth. Perhaps KJS should redirect the dollars she’s pouring into law suits, depositions and MDGs into a border fence

Is anyone interested in carpooling from the Dallas area to Ft. Worth Sunday evening to hear +Venables at St. Andrews?

BTW, as a point of style, Deacons have no symbol before or after their name, Priests put a cross after their name, Bishops put a cross before their name.  Archbishop is a type of bishop and only put one cross before their name and the ABoC is only a bishop and puts one cross before his name.  At St. Matthew’s Cathedral in Dallas, there are two signed pictures of Archbishop Runcie and Archbishop Carey.  Both have only one cross before their name. 

YBIC,
Phil Snyder

From today’s Daily Telegraph:

Colossal squid has the largest eye ever seen.  She needs it to keep an ‘eye’ on her rebellious realm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/30/easquid130.xml

(sorry, don’t know how to make a link)

I do hope Bishop Iker (see #1) will forgive me for the following, as he has already fully and appropriately answered the presiding bishop above (and it only took him 3 sentences, much more compact than mine below).  But if he (and the moderators) will allow me, my blood pressure will be reduced if I post a few rhetorical questions and sarcastic remarks.  So here goes. (rant on)

Does this mean that Ingram will not be allowed to come to VGR’s “wedding”, since his appearance in the US will spread further discord in TEC?  Not to mention the further discord in the Church worldwide CAUSED by VGR’s “wedding”?

Since when and by what canon does the presiding bishop (and I use the term loosely) presume to dictate to a sitting Primate where he may or may not go when invited by the Diocesan Bishop?  When and by what canon does the presiding bishop presume to dictate to a sitting diocesan bishop who he may or may not invite to his diocese?  I take it, from her point of view, that were Bishop Howe to invite his good friend ++Rowan to visit Florida, that he needs to run that by her first? 
  And since the presiding bishop has seen fit by her words and actions to sow discord into EVERY province of the Communion (including, first and formost, her own) by what canon is she allowed the arrogance to write such a letter in the first place?
  I rather suspect that the not so veiled threat by the PB to invade Fort Worth and the Southern Cone is not going to affect the resolve of those 2 men at all.
(rant off)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I though the visit only required the approval of the diocesan bishop, not the primate.

Last I heard, before the recent attempts at curia-like power grabs and pretensions to a provincial papacy, neither the HOB nor the PB(esss)have the power or authority or right or any such means to interfere in the Dioceses. She cannot even be there without invitation from the Ordinary. Why even the ABC managed to get off his duff to affirm that the basic unit of the Church is the Diocese and not the national organization.

I think, given the series of errors and manipulations of canons and history and blowing in the windsor bishops and camp allied-with-SchoriaLaw-Beer-ites, that the apropos title for Kate is Presiding Martinet. Speaking politely, of course. There are more appropriate sobriquets in a native Anglo-Saxon vocabulary…..  And, for the moment, I am resisting the urge to go native and allow assimilation to culture to overtake me.

Festivus-
You were correct, until 15 minutes prior to the PB putting her letter out, when she appointed herself GC again and rewrote a couple more canons.  You will be informed of the change when GC09 retroactively approves the canon change, which will come the day after they depose Bishop Iker for having broken it, on a vote of 22 bishops and 14 delegates who happen to be in the hotel bar at the time.

#48, 51, TJ - I didn’t read the entire thread but I see you brought up the same question. It was my first thought when I read her letter…. thanks.

Let us also note that the date of the letter and the date of the press release of said letter are one and the same.  SO… it is quite possible that we read it in Episcopal Life before Archbishop Venables received it in his email (obviously not posted via “snail mail”).  This is solely for our consumption.  Another “open letter” meant to “bring further discord into the Episcopal Church”.  Something KJS has been doing since her first address as PB-elect.  And no doubt long before- but she now has a higher platform.
(sorry, I guess I’m really not done ranting yet)

Matt, Greg and Sarah,
  You are obviously holding out on us… we get the Presiding Oceanographer’s letter to ++Greg and haven’t, yet, seen her letter to Lizzy Keaton about her planned

unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the internal affairs

of selected “notorious” dioceses within this peaceful, inclusive, and discordless province..  Sarcasm off

further discord???

I thought it was a tiny minority of malcontents.

I thought it was a tiny minority of malcontents.

I think even KJS has begun to realize, it is a whole lot of people, only a “tiny minority” of whom can afford the legal bills to stand up to TEC in court.  The other 10s of thousands per year go quietly to another Anglican jurisdiction (those AMiA and CANA church plants are coming from someplace) or to another denomination all together.  Of course, having a diocese here and a diocese there leaving is kinda embarrassing.

“Archbishop Venables is coming to the Diocese at my invitation and as an honored guest, which hardly makes it “an unwarranted invasion.” The only meddling going on here is on Katharine’s part.  And who is she to accuse someone else of uncanonical actions?

+JLI”

Thank you, Bishop Iker—you took the words right out of my mouth.  The first thing that occurred to me upon reading this claptrap was that it’s YOUR job to decide what constitutes an “unwarranted invasion” into your diocese, not anyone else’s. 

Had I not a prior longstanding engagement, I’d be glad to drive the 2 1/2 hours to Fort Worth to hear the presentation. 

Here’s an idea for promoting less discord in TEC—find a way of cutting the blatant displays of New Hampshire narcissism out of the national news media. 

For the record, our small church is growing very well, and the Gospel message is the Real Gospel and those being brought to church and/or walking in the door want no parts of “pluriform truth”.

This situation has now reached a state of chaos and confusion…the leadership of the Episcopal church has presently shown itself to be a basically lawless organization, one that does not abide by the word and law of God, nor its own organizational Formularies, catechism and canons nor of nature and science.  The present leadership is motivated only by its own agenda masked by meaningless high-sounding redefined words to numb and massage the minds and feelings of easily misled spiritually-blind souls. 

When I read anything these people write, it is like entering a house of mirrors where it is hard to discern what is real and what is a distorted reflection and to find your way out of it.  It is a kind of disorienting unreality…and that perfectly describes the liberal revisionist mindset.  Jeffrey Satinover has an essay from a Catholic journal that shows there is some evidence that liberalism does harm human cognitive processes. 

Our thoughts and beliefs are extremely important (to God as Scripture often points out) and can cause changes in the function, chemistry and structure of the brain and in the physical, emotional and spiritual state of human health. 

That is why worship, praise, prayer and Scripture reading are redemptive and restorative activities and why idolatry is evil.  Whatever we give ourselves to in thought, word and deed, including sexual activity, is a form of worship according to God and this was understood in the early Anglican wedding vows: ‘with my body, I thee worship.’

Dear Presiding Heretic:  Your unwarranted invasion of the Niobrara Convocation this year will be considered by a large portion of the faithful in this diocese as an act of war against Christianity.  You are not welcome.  Do not bring further heresy and discord to Christians and cattle here.  Be prepared to inhale vast quantities of bovine methane!!!  Shalom idiot.

The letter, as we would hope to see it (meant as satire, and not a slam on the fellow who would have to sign it, who faces a very difficult task):

Dear Katharine,
I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Anglican Communion. Visiting the Lambeth Conference with the expressed purpose furthering the cause of heterodoxy and heresy is an unprecedented and unwarranted invasion of, and meddling in, the affairs of every Province of the Communion. I ask you to consider how you might receive a visit to your own General Convention by 200 Global South Bishops. The actions contemplated by some leaders in the Episcopal Church are profoundly un-Christian. They also prevent needed reconciliation from proceeding within this Communion.

I urge you to focus your pastoral ministry within your own Province. May your ministry there be fruitful. I remain

Yours in Christ,
++Cantaur

As I said, posted as a satire.  The ABoC is in my prayers now and always- as is good Archbishop Gregory (correct me if I am wrong, but he was addressed by +John David last night as “Archbishop”, not “Presiding Bishop” of the Southern Cone).

The posturing and petulance of the Presiding Pestilence in her letter is the result of a lot of nervous thrashing and flailing in the back room at 815.  Hopefully the noise will attract national media attention enough to wake up the apparently-lobotomized remaining pew-sitters.

Archbishop Venables,
Could you please stop in Dallas while you are in Ft. Worth?  We would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks again.
—Dallas

#9, Eren, FWIW, Bishop Hulsey lives in Fort Worth, and has done so since he retired from NWT.

All those in Ft. Worth are in for a real huge treat! A gift….a gift from God! As my brother in Christ, Cennydd, has stated above the Cathedral was packed, we were blessed, impressed, and refreshed with solid teaching, speaking, and a heart on fire for God and His Word. That is someting we haven’t heard from a PB in decades here in America! Yesterday was a day that the Lord had made and we rejoiced in it and will remember it for the remainder of our lives and be able to tell our grandchildren about it! So, Ft. Worth…...your blessing is on its way and we are excited for you all and we pray for you all and we await your joining us in the Province of the So. Cone! Thanks Be To God!

Whew, people, such venom! Name-calling, innuendo, perjorative terms aimed at a woman who has been 1) Duly ordained a priest in the Church; 2) Duly elected Bishop of a diocese; 3) Duly elected Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church. Whether or not you agree with her or like her, terms referring to squid, oceanography, squish more rightly belong at VOL. I am (no joke) worried about the mental health of many of you—whence this uncontrolled rage?

It is polite and proper of one primate to communicate with another before entering a province. The PB has said nothing of +Venebles breaking canon, but that his visit would be disruptive and confrontational. His lack of simple courtesy is astounding.

I remind you all of the note at the bottom of this screen Matthew 5:43-45.

<blockquote.The actions contemplated by some leaders in Fort Worth are profoundly uncanonical.</blockquote>
Dear Padre Wayne,
She did accuse the leaders of Ft. Worth of an uncanonical move in inviting the Archbishop to come as a guest. She has no authority to do that especially since she has broken her own canons to push her agenda through intimidation and litigation. What is she afraid of? Why does she feel that she needs to send these kinds of missives? Why is she incapable of working with International Leaders such as AB Venables and a vast many others? Why is she feeling so thrreatened by a visit? It couldn’t be because she and her followers have caused a rip in the WWAC and has broken her own rules and caused discord amoung her down province believers, denied the Divinity of Christ, ridden on the wings of her own arrogance to just ignore the WWAC Primates when told not to move forward went ahead and did so, and I could go on but you know the list! But ....you will deny it and verbalize around it and evade the basic root of the HUGE problems that she and her followers have created, and pushed forward with.
So…...Have a blessed day!

I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church.

Since Schoria Law was instituted throughout the orthodox enclaves of TEC, we have created quite enough discord, thank you.

The actions contemplated by some leaders in Fort Worth are profoundly uncanonical.

And, as you could observe from the recent HOB meetings, we are absolutely sticklers about complying with all the details of the canons!

Padre Wayne, her letter is disruptive and obviously intended to be, since, as tj points out (thanks, tj), it was posted to the web immediately. Since when does the PB police the dioceses? Must she approve every fellow Anglican who comes in and out of each diocese in the country? Do you think that’s happening daily, with every, ahem, Episcopal visitor?

What would be the response should +Jefferts Schori accept an invitation from progressive Anglicans in the PSC (I assume there are some) to speak at their gathering—without at least the courtesy of a communication with +Venebles? (And, should such a communication have transpired, what would have been his response? One can only surmise…)

(Apologies: It is +VenAbles… too early for correct typing! No disrespect intended.)

Well…....I should like to point out that AB Venables doesn’t seem to have the problems and dissenting issues in his Province like Schori does! So apples and oranges are not the same!

That’s okay, PadreWayne.  I once referred to him as Bishop Venerables! 

Phil Snyder wrote:

Is anyone interested in carpooling from the Dallas area to Ft. Worth Sunday evening to hear +Venables at St. Andrews?

Yes, but I think we’re out of your way.  (I mean, would you come south of the Trinity?)  Maybe we’ll see you there!

I have 2 points to raise here:

1. PadreWayne - the invitation in Fort Worth came from the Bishop of Fort Worth, not conservative (vs. progressive) Anglicans.  There is a difference.  The equivalent would be a bishop in the Southern Cone inviting KJS to speak.

2. The name-calling on this blog, despite how we may feel about KJS, has gotten out of hand on this thread. As seldom as I agree with PadreWayne about anything whatsoever, including the validity of KJS’s orders, I do concur that we should heed Matthew 5:43-45, regardless of provocation or easy targets.  It diminishes us and does not honor Our Lord.

You’re right, Padre Wayne. One can only imagine. And we might, perhaps, imagine it quite differently. But as for the PB accepting an invitation from “progressive” Anglicans in the PSC - I would imagine she would jump at the chance, wouldn’t you? Or send Bonnie Anderson in her place.

Wait a minute!!!!! It has certainly been okey-dokey for +Gene Robinson to globe trot all over the International waters for visits and speaking! Let’s get real here!

The implication that +Venables is coming as a simple “guest” of +Iker defies reason.  +Venables is coming to work with +Iker on the possibility of moving the Diocese of Ft. Worth to Southern Cone.  A guest comes to the table to enjoy the meal and show fellowship with the host and other quests, not to conspire and plan to take away the silver.  The Anglican Journal reports that Archbishop Venables, oversees seven bishops and about 30,000 parishioners in Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay. He is building an empire.  Soon it will be dominated by English speaking Norte Americanos with whom he should be very comfortable as a British ex-pat.  If there is to be a destruction of the Anglican Communion, he will have done more than his part to destroy it.

This is a definite publicity stunt. Archbishop Venables travel plans to North America have been known for months. Both Schori and Hiltz chose to write open letters rather than pick up the phone or email.

Given the delivery times for overseas mail, and the known fact that +Venables was visiting Canada on April 29, it is not credible that Schori could have posted a letter to Buenos Aires in time for a change in travel plans.

Emily H, just what “silver” do you think the archbishop will get? It’s TEC that’s so concerned about the “silver.”

Chill.  No real estate is changing hands into the Southern Cone.  +Greg is not interested in amassing assets.  He is spiritually sweeping up and repairing the broken shards of parishes that have been smashed by TEC - not destroying the Communion (that’s already been done), or building an empire.  As if the entire collection of TEC dioceses and parishes could possibly constitute “an empire.”  Parishes and dioceses are coming to him voluntarily and asking for his help - he is not jetting around snatching them up.

oscewicee - you beat me to it! 
Emily, who’s silver is it, really?  TEC’s silver?  Sounds like you’re joining the VGR mantra, only you’ve changed it from “mememememe” to “mineminemineminemine”.
  I think your desperation is showing - along with the desperation of TEC.  The diocese is not “moving” anywhere - if you get down to brass tacks, it is doing its best to NOT move with the changes of wind and tide.  I imagine they will still be somewhere in Texas for quite a while, just not paying tribute and homage to folks who want to change as the culture changes.
The objections from TEC and its supporters are getting more and more shrill, have you noticed?
BTW - agreement with the good Padre - name-calling is best left to the school-yard.

I will correct myself. Archbishop Venables was in San Joaquin on April 29, probably by invitation from Bishop Schofield. I expect he didn’t bother to ask Mr. Lamb for permission, any more than Mrs. Schori.

Bill,
I think the appropriate question is: Did Mr. Lamb ask Archbishop Vneables and Bishop Schofield’s permission to enter the diocese of San Joaquin.  Although I imagine I know the answer to that as well.

#69, Wayne: “What would be the response should +Jefferts Schori accept an invitation from progressive Anglicans in the PSC (I assume there are some) to speak at their gathering”

So, you suspect that if one could scrape together a few activists in the Southern Cone and if they had the desire for Schori to come speak, that… what? +Venables would write a letter accusing the PB of bringing discord? But he supports APO. He might wish those dissenters (if there are any) well. You seem to be making a judgment based on an iffy chain of speculations. Ever heard of Matthew 7:1?

#76 EmilyH - “He is building an empire.” ditto.

What’s going on? I thought Mt 7:1 was the revisionists’ favorite verse.

I would like to point out (another) hypocrisy of this.  A while back the TEC was asked to refrain from doing something by a overwhelming vote of the Anglican Communion.  With the warning that if they did it would “tear the fabric” of the communion.  They went ahead and did it anyway.

” I write to urge you not to bring further discord into The Episcopal Church. “

As other posters have already pointed out, this is quite a nonsensical and irrational statement to make…..especially considering its source. NO ONE is currently subjecting TEc to more discord and chaos among its rapidly dwindling flock than PB Katherine Jefferts-Schori…...period. And by the way Kate, you have the nerve to imply that Fort Worth’s contemplated actions are uncanonical? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, heh? Get real….......

Consider this:  The Episcopal Church has its own agenda, and that agenda is the changing of attitudes.  They plan to bring the entire Anglican Communion under their influence; they’ve already managed to subvert other provinces by spreading their money around like paving on a new parking lot. 

Well, most of of the Communion isn’t buying that, and Mrs Schori doesn’t like it, does she?  And as for her accusation that ++Venables is trying to coerce dioceses away from TEC and into his province?  NO WAY, JOSE!  He’s simply offering them a place of refuge….the same as he did for us! 

HE and our (now) House of Bishops (SC) offered US temporary refuge, and not the other way around!  We accepted that offer….which was predicated on two things:  That TEC either repented of their actions, or a new orthodox Anglican province in the U.S. is created.  That new province is now in the process of being created, and there will be no turning back.

Schori and Company can’t stand the idea of competition, and they’re doing everything they can to stop us, but, y’know what, folks?  We can’t be stopped….we WON’T be stopped, because things have gone too far, and there is no chance that we’ll reverse course.  NONE! 

“Reconciliation?  On Schori’s terms?”  FORGET IT!

Got Discord? 

When +VGR goes on his speaking tour for his book, will he have to get permission from the bishops in that area?

Respect earned is respect paid.

Given the level of provocation, I find the comments here quite restrained.

Oooh, you gotta see this letter written by Bp. Iker to KJS, posted today on the DioFW website:

http://fwepiscopal.org/downloads/+KJSapril30.pdf

I love my Bishop!

Padre - she may have been “duly elected” by a slate of sheeple in attendance at the Episcopal Organization’s Triennial Pow-Wow of Deputized, Neutered, and Programmed Diversity Borgs.  But, if she wasn’t a complete farce of a human; priestess; bishopess; theologianess; and presiding bishopess (and, come to think of it…scientist), I’d grant you the premise that she deserves respect.  She doesn’t.  The organization she now represents doesn’t, and when she shows up in this part of the world to spread her pagan agenda at the Niobrara Convocation - I intend to pay the next up-wind farmer to rev-up his manure spreader FULL TILT to share with her the GLORY and marvel of bovine (all-natural and “green”) fertilizer.  Any of you out there know what that experience is like on a hot day with the wind blowing???  You can hope that oven-mitt mitre has a gas mask built right in…815 probably has their own “Q” outfitting albs with bullet proof jackets for –VGR, and gas masks into oven mitts for –KJS?

^^Connie, can see why you love your Bishop! But I suspect KJS needs a translator to understand the kind of straight talk in that letter.

What is Archbishop Venables’ itinerary? Springfield next, then Quincy, and on to Pittsburgh?
Dumb Sheep.
PS: this Dumb Sheep is really dumb: what’s a spork?
Is it an Episcopal liturgical implement?

Sheep [#93]: A spork is a combination fork and spoon—-like a spoon with tines. Airports often have them.

KJS endorsed sporks on Earth Day.  http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/11957

PS: Sounds like a very cool house you have. Surely there’s room for a spork or two.

This just in: +Iker is going to Lambeth.  I’m sure Greg will have it up in a nanosecond.