Poor kid.

Poor kid indeed! Doesn’t anyone think about their child(ren) before they pull this stuff? Here is the end result of the “All About Me!!!” culture, a child scarred for life by her parent’s scandal.

O Holy Spirit, strengthen and guide this child through the years of her trials. Comfort her as she grows that she may become a good and Godly woman. We ask this in the name of Christ, our savior.  AMEN

Jeff

”but that he fulfilled the marriage contract by providing companionship and a child”

Ten bucks says their marriage vows didn’t say a thing about “companionship” or having a child together, and double or nothing that they DID include the phrase
til death do us part”.

Yep, this guy will make a FINE priest in TEC.  He’s certainly got the hermeneutics down pat.

There’s gonna be a huge psychiatric bill for that innocent child who now finds herself in the middle of some very nasty ugliness! Same in these adults who should know better and be the parents that child needs. It’’s just sickening what these self absorbed, greedy, narcissistic adults do and are doing!

The tone of this post makes me rather sad.  As some commenters have pointed out, there are multiple people—human beings—involved in this situation.  I don’t think that any Episcopalian I’ve known has held of ex-governor McGreevey—against whom numerous allegations have been leveled of fiscal misconduct as well as sexual misconduct while in office—as any kind of moral model, let alone a “wondrous” one.  And contrary to the article’s assertion, he isn’t in any kind of ordination process; GTS is taking his money and letting him take classes in a non-degree program, as you know.  If the ex-governor feels hurt by public comments about him, well, he’s a public figure, and could have anticipated that people would say hurtful things when he ran for office—not to mention when he got caught conducting himself so egregiously in office.

But to yuck it up and talk about passing the popcorn as if the ex-gov’s family—whom I’m guessing in no way participated in or consented to any misconduct—were a spectacle for amusement strikes me as just plain cruel.  A good healthy laugh builds up the Body of Christ, and I think it’s particularly healthy to laugh at oneself.  Do you really think, though, that chuckling at this family makes for spiritual upbuilding?

To me, it just underscores a point I’m quite sure you don’t want to make: that if I had been deceived, victimized, and hurt, it would be seen at Stand Firm as a source of humor and I-told-you-so-ing.  Y’all are more compassionate than that, I know.  So why not show a little more compassion in how you treat the McGreeveys who never ran for public office and never sought to become the object of public discussion, let alone derision?

And just in case you were wondering, you’ll never hear me calling the violation of vows made before God “wondrous,” regardless of the gender configuration of the couple.  Cheating is cheating and lying is lying.  May God give me grace not to fall into either.

RE: “. . . you’ll never hear me calling the violation of vows made before God “wondrous,” regardless of the gender configuration of the couple.”

Right—but that wasn’t what Greg was calling “wondrous”.  Greg was pointing out that “coming out” always MUST go from “straight to gay” since that’s the only way that “coming out” is deemed “wondrous” by activists.

“Coming out” is never “wondrous” when moving from gay to straight, as we all have learned from observing the progressive activists’ issues with reparative therapy for those people who wish not to continue experiencing SSA.

So who’s laughing?  Most of us are expressing our sincere sympathy for the couple’s child—the real “victim” in all of this.

But to yuck it up and talk about passing the popcorn as if the ex-gov’s family—whom I’m guessing in no way participated in or consented to any misconduct—were a spectacle for amusement strikes me as just plain cruel.  A good healthy laugh builds up the Body of Christ, and I think it’s particularly healthy to laugh at oneself.  Do you really think, though, that chuckling at this family makes for spiritual upbuilding?

If it was intended as humor, it’s dark humor, which is certainly an appropriate way to frame what has, and will happen to that home. 

With regards to the spectacle, both spouses will “win.” Family friends will either bail, or pick sides.  Lawyers will get the wealth, while the property will be divided up.  Everyone comes out “ahead,” with the exception of one group; the group with the least amount of choice. 

It will never really end for them. 

So yes, stock up on popcorn, by all means.  I’d do so myself, but really, there’s no need.  I’ve already stocked up on plenty for the same spectacle that has played over and again, in my own backyard. 

A couple on the eve of their 70th wedding anniversary, ask the town clerk for divorce papers.  “Why are you getting a divorce this late in life?” asks the clerk.  “We just wanted to wait until the children were dead.”

It’s dark humor, and I get it.  And I find it not funny, but appropriate. 

Yup.  Pass the popcorn, Johnny.  We’ve made so many improvements on the Home and the Marriage Bed given to us at Creation, that everyday life is now indistinguishable from an episode of Jerry Springer.  Go light on the salt and the butter though.

Side note: I wish all revisionists were like Sarah Dylan Breuer.  Good person.

Sarah DB:  I think that Greg was intending the popcorn comment as an instance of dark humor refering only to the ex-governor.  I only see sympathy expressed for the victims of the ex-governor (namely his wife and child).  I see a great deal of scorn for the ex-governor who seems to be competing with Gene Robinson in the self-absorbed, narcissistic, “it’s all about me” sweepstakes.  I read Greg’s post as being one of disgust saying “what will this selfish SOB pull next?” I also see Greg’s post as expressing disbelief at the total hypocrisy and inconsistency of the homosexual rights movement that lauds those who switch teams and “come out” as being courageous when the switch goes from straight to gay, but who decry and bitterly criticize as false any switches that go the other way. McGreevey is an icon of what’s wrong with the standard TEC liberal view of sexuality (not saying that all TEC homosexual supporters are cut of this cloth, but many of the leading ones are).

And, you must admit, McGreevey’s stated desire to become an Episcopal priest just oozes with dark irony.

This McGreevy follow is a real piece of work,the man is make your skin crawl,creepy. Which of course makes him perfect for ordination in TEC. This whole story from beginning to end has been a sordid morass of depravity and creepiness.

OneDayCloser, Post 4, Please do not include Mr. McGreevey’s wife in your assessment that they are “self absorbed, greedy, narcissistic adults”. His wife is trying to protect her child from a father who is intent on leading their child into a dangerous and confused home life. She may not be a master of public relations but she is a Mother who is threatened with the loss of custody of her child to an immoral person who has very little concern for her.
The reporter may have equated her behavior with that of Mr. McGreevey but I see nothing wrong with her forcing him “to remove a large photograph of a nude man that hung over his bed when their daughter was to visit.”

I see nothing wrong with her forcing him “to remove a large photograph of a nude man that hung over his bed when their daughter was to visit.”

It really stretches the meaning of the phrase, “WHAT WAS HE THINKING???”

While most of the focus in on this particular divorce, those of us in NJ (I formerly lived in Woodbridge, where McGreevey was mayor) remember that this is Mr. McGreevey’s SECOND marriage. He was married in the RCC and divorced his first wife, by whom he had another daughter. That marriage lasted about 5 years. Ex Mrs. McGreevey #1 and Daughter #1 are living quietly in Canada. It was after that divorce that he married Dina Matos, and there was evidently no annulment of the first marriage by the RCC. Still I feel sorry for their daughter - she’s going to be the biggest loser in this case, and is going to have to live with the effects of her parents for the rest of her life.

Like Betty See, I don’t understand the animosity towards Mrs. McGreevy.  Try to imagine having to let someone as unfit as the former Governor have regular influence over your young and innocent child.  Let’s not forget that in his “memoirs”, Jim McGreevy claimed that he had sex with another man at the same time that his wife was giving birth to their daughter.  (And I would be just as appalled if he had been with another woman, instead of a man, at that moment).
The problem is not just McGreevy announcing that he’s gay several years into his marriage, but of a totally self-centered and lawless depravity.  Think about how wounded and angry Dina McGreevy must be, even before you add in her fears for her child.

I agree—Mrs.  McGreevy appears to be doing the right thing here.

Good god you people are ignorant.

Curtis :

Hmm, since you have written a statement with no explanation of what you are talking about, why you made the statement, or anything intelligible… I suspect you have a case of Projection going on there.

DietofWorms:

Think I agree, although I would say it is interesting Sarah Dylan Breuer believes that because Greg put the story up this HAS to mean he’s just doing it to make fun of this particular family - not for any decent reason.

Once again, demonstrates the tendency to only think the worst of people of which one disagrees.

But I’ll take Sarah’s thoughtful intelligent post over Curtis’s graffiti any day, any time, or any place.

So, Curtis, I take it you take umbrage at Mr. Griffith repeating the GLBT mantra that one can go from straight to gay but the reverse process is impossible?

Ironic comment from Sarah Dylan Breuer: ‘Cheating is cheating and lying is lying’, in light of her now defunct online magazine’s claim that several African bishops are polygamists.  I don’t recall there ever being an apology for making that outrageous and still unsubstantiated slander.  But I guess different rules exist when it’s your own ‘post’.  Makes ME rather sad Sarah.

It takes two to make and it & it takes two to break it! There’s no one party that is fully to blame on anything that breaks down in a relationship, just as it is not one party that gets to claim the glory of a success in a relationship. Everything and everyone is a casuality in its wake of fighting, whether it is in public or private or both. This child has two parents like it or not. One may be more deviant than the other but the child in her eyes, as a child doesn’t always see what adults see stills loves them both. She is going to love her father and her mother no matter what becuase that iswhat children do. I can’t help but think that the public fighting is going to cause more harm than what a divorce of just an everyday, low profile, non public kind would cause. But, there is harm in those as well. Both parents have to take responsibility for their part in the destruction of their marriage, seek counseling for themselves and their daughter to try and help eith the hurt all around.

God’s love revealed in Christ, and through the power of the Holy Spirit, does indeed allow sinners to be redeemed. Even Jim McGreevy.

Duh. Of course, the reverse process is possible. It even happens. An interesting paper that can be downloaded from the site below documents some very interesting cases that have profoundly embarrassed and angered homosexual activists. The author has come under intense heterophobic attack.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/index.html

[20] I agree with you.  The fact that I know Sarah Dylan Breuer is a good person makes it all the more confusing why she would allow a hurtful and unsubtantiated rumor to be spread regarding a “polygamist Bishop in Africa”.

I have seen this rumor persist, and it is hurtful to all Bishops in Africa, casting them in an unfair suspicion.  I know of one Bishop who always mentions during his introduction, “I have been married to one wife for x amount of years.”

I have heard this rumor stated as fact: “How can we those Africans say anything about homosexuality when they are polygamists?”.  Perhaps that was the intent.

Still compared to Rev. Terry Martin and Rev. Jonathan Haggard she is very reasonable and logical.  We expect false rumors to be stated as fact by them, but not SDB.

DoW

I doubt that any poster here knows much more beyond news reports about this couple.

Among the news reports is that the former McGreeveys had 3-way sex with a former driver of then Gov. McGreevey when Dina and Jim McGreevey were married.  I believe the driver testified to this under oath.  He may be lying.  But who here could know what went on among these people?

My parents were divorced in adversary proceedings back in the days when this was the way to go.  Accusations of infidelity and incompatibility flew back and forth.  It got very nasty.  To this day their children do not know what was said in court because the records were sealed against us.  So we grew up hearing bad things about the parent with whom we did not live.  Worse, we don’t know anything about the medical history of that side of the family and we both are facing medical problems without necessary information.  It is the child of divorce who gets hurt the worst.  We know.  It’s taken me a whole lifetime to come to terms with the consequences.
Dumb Sheep.

Sarah Dylan, it really serves no purpose to talk tone with Greg.  He’s gonna keep on doing what he’s always done and there isn’t anything you or me or anyone else can do about it.  He does so many things right that his blind spot on the tone/appropriateness question simply confounds explanation.  Peace.

I can’t help but remind Sarah Dylan that when she says this:

And just in case you were wondering, you’ll never hear me calling the violation of vows made before God “wondrous,” regardless of the gender configuration of the couple.  Cheating is cheating and lying is lying.

she’s talking about Gene Robinson.  I doubt she’s called his conduct “wondrous,” but I feel I’m safe in assuming she regards him as a positive force within Episcopalianism.

SDB,

Re popcorn and “interesting summer”: Zoom out. As Lambeth approaches and convenes, we’re going to have Jim McGreevy’s divorce proceedings and Gene Robinson’s nuptials. I would certainly rather the news surrounding our church be about.. you know, our witness to the world of the Gospel of Jesus Christ… but alas it won’t be. Didn’t say it would be fun, just interesting.

Does anyone know the timeframe for his being ordained?

I still am amazed at liberal folk like Sarah Dylan Breuer who are quick to moralize about the McGreevy saga, but who are perfectly happy to slander and rumor-monger when it fits their political agenda.  When I hear a public apology for the polygamist bishop rumor that her Witness magazine broadcast a year ago then she and others like her might have a scintilla of credibility.

I have no idea if it is true or not, but according to reports, Dina Matos, the former Governor and another man engaged in numerous three-waytrysts, prior to their marriage.  The former governor says that proves she knew he was a “gay American” before they married.  She denies it.  If true, it just means they are both perverts in my book and she gets no free pass.  If it is not true, then Jimbo is even more despicable that originally thought and should skip the priesthood and go straight to bishop.

C’mon, Jim the Puritan (29), read the comments above. He is not on ordination “track”—that is an erroneous and misleading media statement which was corrected by the Bishop of New York ages ago. He is taking classes as a non-ordinand.

PadreWayne;

If you have to remind us about that then what kind of witness is he presenting to the world at large about us, especially since the story says he’s aiming for ordination? How are we to bring people to Christ if they can’t see us following Christ? For one of the smallest protestant sects, we get the most press, and most of it bad. Is this what you want?

Jeff

I have heard that he has not yet been approved for ordination.  I have also heard the news media repeat numerous times, that he is studying to be an “Episcopal priest.”

Time will tell where his seminary studies lead.

McGreevy would be an excellent curate in Wayne’s World.

Why would anyone believe what an Episcopal bishop would say?  They rank somewhere below used car salesmen in terms of credibility, in my opinion. 

McGreevey is perfect ECUSA clergy material--heck, I can easily see him as being just a simple country bishop somewhere.  Just wait for the controversy to die down for a few months, and the creeping incrementalism will be back at work and it’ll be Father McGreevey.

Women who have been used by homosexuals to bear children and then been discarded because their husband rejects their gender, never get to tell their story, they are forced into the closet for the “good of the children”. 
Is it really “good for the children” to deny that a woman suffers from being used this way? It seems to me that it is also harmful to children if we accept the idea that their mother has failed their fathers needs simply because she is a woman?  Children are unprotected in a divided family, there is no way that can be changed but silence may also be damaging to their emotional health.
I have not read Mrs. Mc Greevey’s book, but I will not condemn her for writing it and I hope it is helpful to others who find themselves in this situation.