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Congress And Lightbulbs

Wednesday, June 11, 2008 • 2:56 pm


Did you know Congress passed a bill outlawing all incandescent bulbs by the year 2014?  According to this video, China is the ONLY place that makes fluorescent bulbs. 

This is the same group that refused to consider new drilling options today.  I think come November we need a whole new slate of people who are more interested in the people than the position. 


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Amen Jackie!

[1] Posted by iceworm on 06-11-2008 at 02:43 PM • top

Fluorescents won’t keep your well pump from freezing in cold weather, either.  So if you use light bulbs for their heat, better stock up.  And, they have to be disposed of in a hazardous waste facility, handled with gloves (without breathing) if broken, etc. etc.  Really stupid!!!!

[2] Posted by ann r on 06-11-2008 at 02:46 PM • top

Is anything made in America anymore? I honestly look and try to buy American or, at least, non-Chinese products. It’s almost impossible.

[3] Posted by oscewicee on 06-11-2008 at 02:46 PM • top

My wife hates the glarey light but I don’t mind. The thing I don’t like about compact fluorescent is that one can’t use dimmer switches.

[4] Posted by robroy on 06-11-2008 at 02:58 PM • top

There’s a notable lightbulb joke about Congress:
How many congresspeople does it take to change a lightbulb? ...

[5] Posted by Scruff on 06-11-2008 at 02:58 PM • top

The bill (HR 1547) was passed in December 2007, and an amendment to the bill (HR 5616) “The Lightbulb Freedom of Choice Act”) was introduced this March. The summary is here .  At least someone in Congress has stopped a moment and said ... wait a minute - is this really a good idea??

[6] Posted by zana on 06-11-2008 at 03:05 PM • top

I’ve been using CFL bulbs for years, without Congress twisting my arm.  It is, however, stupid and tyrannical for Congress to mandate this.

[7] Posted by Jeffersonian on 06-11-2008 at 03:08 PM • top

Analog TV - Evil.
Incandescent light bulbs - Evil.
The English Unit System (You know… slugs, poundals, hectacres, etc) - Gentle, Maternal, and Dolphin-Like.
The Metric System (SI) - “Quintals?!!  Weee don’ need no stinkin’ quintals!!”

[8] Posted by Moot on 06-11-2008 at 03:14 PM • top

#3—You’ll be relieved to know that lots of things are still made in the USA, but most of them aren’t things that we buy every day.  For example, airplanes, computer chips, and concrete.  (My spouse once had to attend an international concrete trade show; it seems the Russians were amazed to see how many kinds of concrete we produce!).

  Last year, I bought a great assemble-it-yourself plastic cabinet that was made in North Carolina—and what a pleasure! One of the parts was missing, and I was able to call the company, who sent it to me right away by UPS. 

The fact is that our manufacturing output is going up—jobs are going down because of new technology that requires fewer workers.  All the same, I don’t like the idea that we produce so few of our consumer goods anymore—from a national security standpoint, it seems reckless to allow ourselves to become so dependent on other nations.

As for the light bulbs, you’d think that Congress would have something better to do with their time—and if they don’t, they should just take a longer recess and get their noses out of my grocery bag!

[9] Posted by In Newark on 06-11-2008 at 03:25 PM • top

“How many congresspeople does it take to change a lightbulb? ...”

All of them.  One holds the lightbulb, while the rest screw the country around.

[10] Posted by Scruff on 06-11-2008 at 03:26 PM • top

All the same, I don’t like the idea that we produce so few of our consumer goods anymore—from a national security standpoint, it seems reckless to allow ourselves to become so dependent on other nations.

It certainly seems so to me, In Newark. But I’m glad to hear that there are some things still being made here. On a recent trip to an office supply store, after long searching I managed to find a brand of spiral notebook made in the U.S. All the others were made in China or Vietnam. The gel pens all came from South Korea or Japan. I found some page dividers made in Mexico. China has become a ziggarut of manufacturing.

And while I use the light bulbs prescribed by Congress, I agree completely that they should get their noses out of our grocery bags. This, on the scale of things the country is faced with, economically and otherwise, is penny ante. If they didn’t have anything more important to do they should have turned out the lights and gone home.

[11] Posted by oscewicee on 06-11-2008 at 03:33 PM • top

They need to get up off their hands and do something! Anything!! First set a three term limit for all congressmen, to force them get a real Job and pay for their own damn gas.

[12] Posted by bradhutt on 06-11-2008 at 04:09 PM • top

Another example of the fascism of the environmental movement.

[13] Posted by Branford on 06-11-2008 at 04:25 PM • top

This is typical political lunacy.  Teddy Roosevelt once said (perhaps apocryphally) to one of his Secretaries, a propos some issue of the moment, “Isn’t there something we can appear to be doing?”

Making four pieces of breakfast toast and a pot of coffee uses, in the typical household, as much electricity as leaving several 60-watt bulbs on all night.  An hour a day of air conditioning dwarfs all household lighting use.

But then, these are the guys who eliminated juvenile delinquency in the 1950s by outlawing switchblades and create affordable housing by instituting rent control.  What do you expect?

[14] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 06-11-2008 at 04:31 PM • top
[15] Posted by bradhutt on 06-11-2008 at 04:50 PM • top

Brad, now if we can get all the senators and congressmen to watch this video and let “we the people” know that they are going to work for us.

[16] Posted by art+ on 06-11-2008 at 05:09 PM • top

Art+
I just sent it to the 250 people on my email lists, and am going to contact this JoeAmerican. He makes a lot of sense.
Brad

[17] Posted by bradhutt on 06-11-2008 at 05:20 PM • top

Brad,
I have sent basically the same thing to my senators and congressman and all I get back is some political talk around the subject without any substance.

[18] Posted by art+ on 06-11-2008 at 05:49 PM • top

There are three problems here. 

One is that the CFL technology, while excellent in many respects, is not perfect (e.g. the trace amounts of mercury in the bulbs).  Of course, the same thing can be said about incandescents, so the law just represents a reordering of priorities in terms of features.

The second problem is the approach.  Why ban incandescents?  In some limited cases, they can’t easily be replaced with CFLs.  Instead, why not tax incandescents heavily and direct the revenue toward meaningful energy research (carbon sequestration, wind and solar, etc.)?  Those who really want incandescents can still get them while financing the future.

The final and most important problem is that this is symptomatic of a “make no sacrifices” culture and political institutions that are incapable of taking tough action.  Congress favors the showy and the small over the needed and the significant when addressing major issues—whether the issue is entitlement spending, the deficit and national debt, the environment, energy supplies, etc.  Whether one is convinced that climate change is a problem or not, it is easy to see that mandating CFL bulbs isn’t a serious attempt to deal with the issue.  Sure, little steps matter too, but little steps alone don’t solve problems.

[19] Posted by DavidH on 06-11-2008 at 05:53 PM • top

A fourth problem—dependence on foreign manufacturing—lurks, but remains potential in this case.

[20] Posted by DavidH on 06-11-2008 at 05:54 PM • top

The likelihood of your senator or congressperson actually seeing any of your correspondence, unless you are on a list of VIP’s, is pretty small. I’m sure some of them make an effort to look at selected items from ordinary people, and all of them look at summaries of correspondence prepared by their staffs, but (rather like the rest of us, only more dangerously) they are pretty much overwhelmed by a tidal wave of incoming information. I’m surprised they can even breathe, given that they have to be on a perpetual campaign footing for the most part. Oddly, most of them, even the worst, actually try to do some good, and they all think of themselves as the good guys.

...many years ago I was actively engaged at the state legislature level, and I can vouch for what I say.

The problem is not particularly that of legislators’ good intentions, intelligence, or lack thereof. The problem is that they have a very (!) limited understanding (too many are from too few professions, for instance, usually business law and real estate) and they are generally not especially independent/deep thinkers. Given the environment even the best of them find themselves in (awash with lobbyists, for instance, and the need to be perpetually raising money for campaigns), it’s amazing more of them don’t get out as soon as they can.

I’m suspect there’s a lot more brown fecal matter heading for the whirling blades, and most people just won’t know when to duck!

[21] Posted by ears2hear on 06-11-2008 at 06:00 PM • top

One of the things Congress SHOULD have done is see to it that clean-up of broken bulbs and re-cycling instructions of intact used bukbs were printed on the packaging. (See the State of Maine’s site http://mainegov-images.informe.org/dep/rwm/homeowner/cflreport/appendixe.pdf for cleanup advice.)
Too many of them are just thrown in the trash and end up in landfills where they add to the air, water and soil pollution .
Also currently it is not recommended to use CFLs in vibrating environments such as a ceiling fan or garage door opener. Vibration can cause the electronics in the CFL to fail.

[22] Posted by Marie Blocher on 06-11-2008 at 06:04 PM • top

I seem to remember the Beeb running a story not so long ago about the frequency of fluorescent lights causing headaches in some patients.  So, are we still going to be able to get incandescent lights if we have a prescription?

[23] Posted by KAY4 on 06-11-2008 at 06:59 PM • top

As to mercury, I’m surprised that our commenters aren’t aware that our dedicated (but apparently bored) public servants solved the mercury pollution problem forever in the late 1990s by banning the tiny mercuric oxide button cells that powered millions of expensive hearing aids and rendering almost any quality camera made between 1976 and 1995 instantly obsolete.  There was, of course, no evidence that these tiny mercury sources had any effect at all on the environment.

Big Brother loves you. Get with the program.  Or else.

[24] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 06-11-2008 at 07:15 PM • top

KAY4, flourescents also become problematic for folks like my mother, who has a tongue-tangling disorder called EPP (Erythropoietic Protoporphyria) whose presenting symptom is an extreme sensitivity to UV light… like that cast by flourescents.  So she’s asking that question too, and quite worriedly, as she’d hate for her government-mandated living room lightbulbs to cause burns!

[25] Posted by zana on 06-11-2008 at 07:18 PM • top

Ears2hear observes

I suspect there’s a lot more brown fecal matter heading for the whirling blades, and most people just won’t know when to duck!

While I basically agree, I have to point out that it’s not particularly easy to duck, timing aside, when they’ve got you by the throat…

[26] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 06-11-2008 at 07:24 PM • top

... and speaking of ducks, are our noble public servants prepared to roast theirs in an oven lighted by a CFL?  Will they volunteer to open the oven and breathe deeply when the duck is done?

[27] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 06-11-2008 at 07:29 PM • top

Hi gang, guess what?  CFL’s are obsolete.  LED’s are the best, almost last forever and are mor efficient and come in any color.  Already on the market and growing.  Digital TV is already obsolete and old technology, but unfortunately frozen in technology by the geniuses in Congress.  As long as the majority of our voters think that big government is the answer to all our problems they will continue to send those one world, big government fascist to DC.  Gas prices are high because China is growing and building and sucking up petroleum and running up the price.  They do this with our treasure we send to them for the cheap plastic stuff that quickly breaks such as laptops made in China.  Enjoy.

[28] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 06-11-2008 at 09:32 PM • top

I like the use of LEDs, in fact I want to start replacing my incandescent Christmas lights with LED strings.

Fluorescent lights cause migraines for me.  If we buy the house we’re making an offer on, I’m replacing the kitchen light (fluorescent) with incandescent track lighting so I can actually be in the room.

Going to the grocery store, working in a typical office, sitting in a classroom (yes yes, I know, I’m going to have to deal with fluorescents as a teacher) all give me migraines because of the harshness of the light.

[29] Posted by Courageous Grace on 06-11-2008 at 10:47 PM • top

Scruff! Thanks for the laugh….I needed it! Especially today! That was great!

PROPHET MICAIAH,
New legislation here in Fresno County California regarding digital TV. I think by Feb. 2009 if you haven’t switched over to digital TV you will no longer be eligible to receive cable TV. Yep! Switch or go without cable! What a great country! smile

[30] Posted by TLDillon on 06-11-2008 at 10:50 PM • top

Prophet Micaiah wrote:

FL’s are obsolete.  LED’s are the best, almost last forever and are mor efficient and come in any color.  Already on the market and growing.

Are LED lights all made in China too? Like oscewicee [3] I try to avoid buying products made in China.

[31] Posted by kyounge1956 on 06-11-2008 at 11:33 PM • top

My mom had a CFL bulb that she had bought at Wal-Mart burnt out. She took it back there to find out how to dispose of it because she knew about the mercury business and…

Advice - $5.00
Good advice - $10.00
Dumb looks are still free!

She got a lot of the free stuff. tongue wink

[32] Posted by robroy on 06-12-2008 at 03:53 AM • top

A rational energy policy must address the supply and demand sides of energy. Incandescents are dumb - they are inefficient and raise the air conditioning needs.

I checked out the LED lighting (Just google “LED home lighting”.) Some factoids from one website:

* LED lights last 30x longer than incandescents and 6x longer than CFLs. (And the price, even now, seems to be close to appropriate given their longevity and efficiency.)
* There is no waiting for led light bulbs to warm up. Led bulbs light up instantly at full brightness, even in the coldest weather. (The CFLs in my garage have a hard time in winter.)
* For Zana’s mom: Led lights also emit no damaging ultraviolet. (BTW, the Dracula myth seems to be associated with people with Erythropoietic Protoporphyria, who avoid daylight but do not crave blood.)
* Led light bulbs are not sensitive to shock, vibration, or the extreme temperature changes that can quickly ruin fragile incandescent bulbs. And unlike fluorescent bulbs which wear out much faster if they are frequently turned on and off, led bulbs are not affected by frequent on-off switching.

[33] Posted by robroy on 06-12-2008 at 04:23 AM • top

Energy conservations is always more effective than alternative energy production (any inefficiency is wasted resource, thus a CFL that produces 800 Lumens for 17 Watts instead of 60 Watts have cut 43 Watts of wast out of the loop, LED can do it for 10, thus cutting 7 more off).

However, the dimwits in Congress obviously don’t know that lighting a home actually a small fraction of a homes energy budget. The computers we’re using are typically 200 Watts (thus 3 standard 60 Watt bulbs). Heating/Air Conditioning and hot water make up the bulk of everyone’s bill (then dying closes). If they were smart, instead of a one restriction that they probably not thought completely through (as in disposal at end of life), they should offer tax & incentives for window, HVAC upgrades, geothermal heat pump, solar hot water, tank-less hot water and things that would truly help the issues and put American contractors to work. Instead they want to ban a type of light bulb an extend unemployment benefits.

[34] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 06-12-2008 at 06:13 AM • top

For sure there are problems with CFLs, as severally mentioned, and LEDs are better.  I have found it hard to find large LEDs, however, and they are pretty pricey.

Have not been following Congress but they may be doing this because the country has no national energy policy and oil (fuel at most power plants) is going nowhere but up for a very long time.  There is the added advantage of petroleum as well of enriching many states that harbor people trying to kill us and who are succeeding in killing many of our very young, volunteer soldiers.

I don’t think nuclear is the option that many believe it to be because of the waste storage problem, which remains a problem for millenia. 

So as weird as the “must use CFL” legislation is, I think more weirdness will keep coming our way because we can’t seem to confront the root cause of the problem, or get ahead of its curve.  We react, too little too late, as the CFL legislation seems to be, rather than taking control of our future.  Meanwhile, places like tiny Iceland have hydrogen run buses and one of the first hydrogen filling stations in the world (maybe Shell?).  By product is water from vehicles with hydrogen engines.

By the way, it would be great if someone started a list of US manufacturers and linked it from this site.  I would definitely by stuff from it and even have a contribution to make to it.  But its a little like trying to buy from family farmers rather than multi-national agribusiness.  How do you do it other than a CSA which don’t always exist where you might live or can be hard to find.

[35] Posted by Seen-Too-Much on 06-12-2008 at 11:52 AM • top

“...geothermal heat pump, solar hot water, tank-less hot water”

I’m with ya, Hosea6:6, doing all of these and more at several properties.  There is a really cool product called a Solarwall that can be retrofitted to extant buildings also.  The US military, Walmart, Toronto airport, Bombadier manufacturing and many other places are using it.  The US Dept of Energy gave it some award. Think you can read about it at solarwall.com (or just google it)  A Canadian company, too bad for us, but a great product.

[36] Posted by Seen-Too-Much on 06-12-2008 at 12:01 PM • top

I like LEDs, but they won’t keep the young chicks warm or keep the pumps and pipes from freezing.  So far, LED lamps are not strong enough for full room lighting, either.

[37] Posted by ann r on 06-12-2008 at 03:56 PM • top

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