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I downloaded it last night on PDF and I am going to be reading it later on but have glanced and what I ahve glanced is very exciting and refreshing! IMHO, Lambeth will not come close to this event. And I know already, before you all jump, that this is not a competition, but it will be compared by the masses so in that light, Lambeth will pale in comparison! |
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I regard the statement as magisterial. Bill+ |
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It seems to me that the most controversial part is right at the end: (This is, of course, my way of complimenting the rest of the report)
So the question is, what did Babyblue and the superior Ould brother achieve to merit a mention that Chistopher Johnson, Brad Drell, John Richardson, Anglican TV, Lent and Beyond etc. didn’t? Or, like all the best things in life, was it just an act of grace? It’s also very good to see that the important work being done here and elsewhere is appreciated by this sample of the best theologians in the communion. Quite a contrast to the various items I’ve seen from our worthy opponents criticising the blogs. But anyway, well done to Stephen Noll, Chris Sudgen and the rest of the team for an excellent report. Now, the question is how we persuade the average pew-sitter or PCC member to read it and understand and appreciate what is going on. |
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Boring Bloke, Very tempting to answer “act of grace” CJ: Posts mainly commentary, not breaking news. Also, he’ll sometimes go a couple of days without posting. There’s only one CJ, and you need to read him, but I think he’d agree that MCJ is not where you go for up-to-the-minute news. Drell: Doesn’t post very frequently. Not a criticism… that’s just the way Drell runs things. AnglicanTV: Not a current-events site; doesn’t post frequently. Kevin has told me more than once that’s by design. L&B;: Primarily a prayer blog, not a news site. |
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I quite agree, CJ. In any list of orthodox Anglican news Blogs (now that CANN is largely down) SF, T19, Anglican Mainstream and Virtue’s place have to be in the first four in the list. And the first three of those are almost invariably the first sites I check when opening up my RSS reader at the start of the day. I was just pondering about BabyBlue who largely delivers (universally excellent) commentary (although also admittedly is usually the first place to go to concerning the matters in Virginia), and Peter Ould who gives some news but mostly comments (again very well) on Homosexual research, the popular writings of UK liberals, and doctor who. I was just wondering why those two in particular had specifically got a mention. We are blessed with a number of excellent `commentry’ blogs, including yours. Not that it matters. We are, after all, all fighting for the same team: one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all that is in all and over all and through all. |
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I had trouble opening it here, but had no trouble on the GAFCon site, http://www.gafcon.org. |
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Unlike the post above, I cannot read The Way, the Truth and the Life in 15 minutes because I have had to stop and weep over the events and trials of the last loooonnnnngggg 10 years, stop to pray and praise God for the privilege of reading it, for the people who wrote it and for the gathering in Jerusalem, for their guidance and protection, for the hope of a fresh, free, full, faithful expression of Anglican Christianity this paper describes. This is one splendid and refreshing Godly document. One I am thankful beyond mere words to hold and to read at last. The Lord be with you! |
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I just finished reading the document, and it’s pretty much what I expected it would be. There is really nothing new here that hasn’t been said before by those affiliated with or sympathetic with GAFCon. It’s a good overview of the situation and some of the key issues that are involved. However, the document raises some important questions without adequately answering them (it really couldn’t in the space alotted). For example, the quesion is raised, “Who defines Anglicanism?” (page 27), but there’s not much discussion here. This is one of THE key questions and what is being contested. Tha assertion is made that “Globalisation has made geographical boundaries irrelevant in most areas of life,” a sentiment that is assumed but not adequately supported. Another area that is addressed, but inadequately, is the way in which the Church and the Scriptures relate. For example, on pp. 66-67 the following assertion is made: “The Scriptures are not the product of the churches.” But isn’t this true - weren’t they written, formed, and canonized only within the context of the Church? As much as I admire the document, it is largely preaching to the choir. It is unrealistic to expect it to have dealt with everything in detail, but at some point, a more in depth theological justification for GAFCon and its way forward (with which I sympathize) must be given. |
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I had no problem downloading the file with Acrobat Reader 8 on a PC and saving it to my desktop. That said - I have just completed reading the document and experienced the presence and blessing of God in the process. It has summarized in clear and unvarnished terms the experience of the past several decades in the context of both history and culture - and called us to the truths in scripture and in our Anglican expression of faith. It is so clear, that I cannot help but believe that even the secular world will be impressed, and clarify in their minds the true issues involved. At least I can pray that it does. Praise God for Archbishop Akinola and all who participated in this project. PRAISE GOD FROM WHOM ALL BLESSINGS FLOW, PRAISE HIM ALL CREATURES HERE BELOW. |
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Peter Jensen told us that he wasn’t going to waste his time at Lambeth because… “In 1998, the Lambeth Conference made it clear that the leaders of the overwhelming majority of Anglicans world-wide maintained the biblical view of sexual ethics – that sexual relationships are reserved for marriage between a man and a woman. Five years later, however, actions were taken in Anglican Churches both in Canada and the United States of America which officially transgressed these boundaries in defiance of the Bible’s authority. The American actions impacted churches all around the world. In particular the churches of the Global South had to own the name ‘Anglican’ while living in societies where the actions of the Americans was condemned by all, especially Muslims. The action of some North Americans severely hurt the witness of these churches.” This was why he isn’t going to Lambeth. “The Way, The Truth and The Life” reveals the wisdom of Jensen’s decision to attend GAFCON instead! |
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I have finished a careful first reading of *The Way, the Truth, the Life* and I found it to be superb. I intend to make sure everyone with any As I’m praying for GAFCON, I am praying in a particular direction. And that prayer pertains to the debates/discussions which will no doubt occur about Anglicanism’s fundamental theological identity. At this particular place in history, is it legitimate Anglicanism to self-identify exclusively in credal terms of our great three creeds with their great focus upon things Trinitarian, Incarnational and The failure to put the anthropological and soteriological insights of the Reformation at the center of our self-identity *at this point in history* I think would strip us of our distinctively Evangelical character and sap I. The Importance of Anthropological Problems While the Christological controversies were agitating the East, other problems, such as those of sin and grace, of the freedom of the will and divine predestination, were coming to the fore-ground in the West. Their importance can scarcely be over-rated from the point of view of practical Christianity. Their bearing on the work of redemption is even more directly apparent than that of the Christological questions. It is in this field that the chief lines of demarcation between the great divisions of Christianity are found. Says Dr. Cunningham: ‘There never, indeed, has been much appearance of true personal religion where the divinity of the Son of God has been denied; but there has often been a profession of sound doctrine upon this subject, long maintained, where there has been little real religion. Whereas, not only has there never been much real religion where there was not a profession of substantially sound doctrine in regard to the points involved in the Pelagian controversy, but also—and this is the point of contrast—the decay of true religion has always been accompanied by a large measure of error in doctrine upon these subjects; the action and reaction of the two upon each other being speedy and manifest.’ (Historical Theology, I, p. 321) If we want to reach the world with the gospel and train up sold out, fired up, radically committed Anglican disciples, we will NEVER do that if we decide to back away from our reformational theological commitments in the areas of anthropology and soteriology. The Articles are key here. They say enough. They don’t say too much. But I believe the cost of relegating them to some sort of mere historic memory would be to consign Anglicanism to a sort of nominal, credal Christianity which hasn’t the potency to save a fly, much less a radically lost sinner such as I was/am. I am praying for GAFCON’s clarity in this area. I am very heartened by my first read of *The Way, the Truth, the Life.* But I did notice, not with alarm but simply with awareness, that there is no reference whatsoever to justification by grace through faith. Silence does not a negation necessarily imply, and I know that. But I will be reading the rest of GAFCON’s documents with great interest in this question. For it is at the heart of all Evangelical Christianity. blessings, Bill+ |
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TEC and ACoC being given invitations to Lambeth and KJS being glad-handed ‘in’ by the ABC, and given a spot in the AC org., betrays both the mind and the legitimate processes of the Communion and invalidates both Lambeth and Canterbury and separates them further from Biblical Christianity and the collegiality of the wider Anglican Communion. Their continued rebellion, opposition to doctrinal Christianity and apparent unbelief and last past week’s faux-wedding in London underlines and furthers this separation. It is more likely that these people are aggressive revolutionaries, larcenous opportunists who have seen an opportunity to grasp the wealth, both the wealth of the spiritual heritage and the financial endowments of TEC (and the UMC as well) for their own uses. The fact that the infiltration and infection has been permitted for decades is an indictment of apathy and neglect to the faithful and authentic spiritually regenerate Christians. The only reason to go to Lambeth is to speak out in obedience to God’s leading, however GAFCON papers, TWL and Duncan’s address, have so far, spoken clearly and comprehensively to the issues [I HOPE THEY MEAN THEM AND INTEND TO STAND BEHIND THEM. SO FAR, IT LOOKS AS IF THEY DO INDEED MEAN THEM! I REJOICE IN THIS!!] and it might be appropriate for a copy to be made available at Lambeth. There has been enough talk and enough listening. Anglican words, documents and bishops signatures have become useless and worthless. In the future, I intend to refer anyone, Anglican, Methodist, Charismatic, etc., whose thinking departs from Scriptural Christianity into pluralism, political, sexual or social agenda religion, etc. to these papers. I’ve grown tired of listening and speaking to them and to THEIR issues. I feel a decade is enough to listen, to plead, argue, pray for them and to wait for a change. It is time to stop speaking, to commend and release them to God and to move on as the Holy Spirit unites us to others joined in union with the Way, Truth, Life. |
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There is an interesting interview with Sydney Archbishop Peter Jensen regarding GAFCON at http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/juneweb-only/125-52.0.html |
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SPOOF ALERT Read side-by-side with this. |
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[ENS “GAFCON” spoof, continued from previous post] |
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LP, Your satire/parody is far too close to truth and that makes it a tragedy. I am not able to laugh, but either get angry or weep thinking of the waste and the blindness that so dominates a church and of the time and resources and opportunities have been and are still being diverted, not for the kingdom of God and His glory, but in allegiance to the god of this world and the agendas of the evil one. |
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Bill+ (21) I too have read “The Way, The Truth, and The Life” Publication and I couldn’t agree more with your interpretation. Powerful words - I loved it. Now if some of these great words can just lead into some positive action. I pray God they do. Give everyone at St. Andrews my best wishes, I’m praying for you. |
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I think your satire LP is great and normally I do not agree with you on a few things. It was great. I hope Bishop Iker sees it. I will try to save it. He has a good sense of humor and you would probably get an AMEN on it. Good satire is 99.99% true and that what makes it satire. Thanks for the work. |
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How remarkably appropriate!
It’s almost as if these guys do this scripture stuff for a living.
Amen.
Amen.
Wow… what a blessing to be reminded that while there may be a shortage of godly men… there is by no means a total lack of them.