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Day 2: The Mount of Olives, Gethsemene, Another TEC Bishop, and preview for the day

Monday, June 23, 2008 • 5:47 am


Almost everyone at the GAFCON conference visited the Mount of Olives today. There was a short prayer service, a group photo thanks to a hired helicopter photographer, and a second group photo for bishops and primates (add, Bishop Love of Albany to the official Episcopal Bishop Count by the way). Then we were off in about 20 to 30 separate groups, numbered according to the bus in which we arrived. Anne, Gwendolyn, and I were in bus and group 13. Our guide led us to the Franciscan monastery where some ancient ossuaries have been found, then to the church built over the place where tradition says Jesus wept over Jerusalem, and then finally, to the Garden of Gethsemane and the magnificent church built over the rock where tradition says Jesus cried tears of blood.

There were possibly a thousand people, just from GAFCON alone, moving in and out and around all of the holy sites so it was difficult to sense the sacred. At the same time, somewhere on that mountain at the very least near and perhaps precisely where Tradition ascribes, Jesus did weep over Jerusalem, cry tears of blood on the night before he died, Ascend into heaven and, one day, he will return again in the way that he departed. To stand there is an awesome thing.

Some of the olive trees in Gethsemane were probably saplings when Jesus led his disciples there. The ends of his robe may have brushed over them. Now they are fat with age. Olive trees are regenerative. Branches from one tree can be cut and grafted onto another. They can seem to die and be brought back to life by a careful gardener. The gardeners here have, for centuries, been quite careful but the trees still bear the scars from many wounds and cuts.

Our guide pointed us to a hill very close to the Mount of Olives where Solomon built shrines to the many gods of his many wives. It rises like a rival Zion across the Kidron valley from the Temple mount. The shrines that once stood there may have satisfied his wives. But they also drew Solomon away from the true God and the people with him.

So many metaphors but most are too easy to make.

The conference continues this afternoon with a Eucharist at 2:00pm here, which will be 7:00am eastern time in the United States. Archbishop Orombi is preaching.

This evening before dinner, at 5:00pm Jerusalem time, Os Guinness will speak about Culture and the Gospel.

I’ll do my best to take notes and provide you with live-blogged transcripts, although the transcripts may be released soon afterwards. This evening I’ll try to settle down and give my impressions of where this thing is headed and what has happened so far.

Until then, I’ll leave you with a link to an article I wrote about GAFCON shortly after it was announced. Some have suggested that GAFCON is nothing more than the internationalization of the Network. I think it is something more. At this point, I stand by what I wrote in the article linked above.

This conference seems as if it will be every bit as significant as the organizers suggested. To be honest, I had my doubts. But now that I am here and see it, this thing seems to have some weight.


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There were possibly a thousand people, just from GAFCON alone, moving in and out and around all of the holy sites so it was difficult to sense the sacred

Matt, inside Dominus Flevit is a wonderful place to escape the tourists and get that ‘sense of the sacred’. If you have the time, I’d recommend a trip back there. Its a pity they didn’t split up the groups to see different sites on different days. Maybe a suggestion for GAFCON 2018?

[1] Posted by Observing on 06-23-2008 at 05:43 AM • top

Captain Yips points out in his post today, the necessity of RW’s dithering was the catalyst for this impetus to reform/restore/renew the AC.  Romans 8:28 comes to mind.

[2] Posted by Floridian on 06-23-2008 at 05:46 AM • top

Thanks, Matt, for all the reporting.  And I’m glad to know for sure that my bishop, +Bill Love, arrived safely and is joining in this historic event.

David Handy+

[3] Posted by New Reformation Advocate on 06-23-2008 at 05:52 AM • top

The shrines that Solomon built were to idols of sexuality, destruction, and child sacrifice (Ashtoreth, Chemosh, and Milcom).  Good King Josiah broke down the shrines that Solomon built and filled them with the bones of men (2 Kings 23:13-14).

[4] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 06-23-2008 at 07:04 AM • top

Matt+ wrote:

“There were possibly a thousand people, just from GAFCON alone, moving in and out and around all of the holy sites so it was difficult to sense the sacred.”

  A helicopter photo, 900K from a single un-named “Nigerian” donor,  With all these fixins, GAFCON is sending out a message.  GAFCON looks more like an “all expense paid 5 star vacation for you and your spouse” than a <strike> conference</strike> “pilgrimage”  The message here is: We’re big. We’re rich, And we’re powerful. Works for Donald Trump and Cecil D. DeMilles.  So who wants 3 weeks in a crummy dorm room in Kent?

[5] Posted by EmilyH on 06-23-2008 at 07:04 AM • top

Dear EmilyH,
I’d sleep under the stars at that site if I could.  I was wondering if you’ve ever been there.  I haven’t.  Yet.  Well, at this point I probably never will get there.  I hope you get the chance.  It must be an awesome experience.

[6] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 06-23-2008 at 07:14 AM • top

EmilyH: bitter much?  The reappraisers have an iron-fisted grip on all the church’s money, assets, seminaries, and power structures, not to mention captive congregations who will put up with all kinds of revisionist nonsense in order to continue worshipping in their own beloved buildings—and you still can’t stand to see the orthodox enjoying their own gathering?

Tough.

[7] Posted by st. anonymous on 06-23-2008 at 07:15 AM • top

Nice try at slander EmilyH.  I wouldn’t shed tears for the poor, impoverished Lambeth crowd yet.  I’m sure Trinity Wall St. has bankrolled enough of the agenda to make it habitable.

[8] Posted by anglicanhopeful on 06-23-2008 at 07:15 AM • top

“We’re big. We’re rich, And we’re powerful. Works for Donald Trump and Cecil D. DeMilles.”
And 815.

“So who wants 3 weeks in a crummy dorm room in Kent?”
Especially when the only thing on the agenda in Kent is syncronized navel-gazing.  Yeah, I’ll take the Holy Land Pilgrimage, Make Some Decisions, Change the Course of Anglican History Tour any day.

[9] Posted by Cindy T. in TX on 06-23-2008 at 07:16 AM • top

Ah, EmilyH . . . I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist venting your spleen about something or other, although I expected you to do a little better job of restraining the evidence of your anger.

Your comment above is a frankly troll comment.  This is a warning.

You’ll need to be a touch more subtle.

[10] Posted by Sarah on 06-23-2008 at 07:19 AM • top

EmilyH, the endowment funds of TEC are valued at $200,000,000.00, and you are using “big,” “rich,” and “powerful” as slurs?

[11] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 06-23-2008 at 07:24 AM • top

900K from a single un-named “Nigerian” donor

Your suspicion maybe correct, once this may have been American money, but at $140 a barrel, wealth can transfer quickly!

Emily, your post does read like you have a bit of sour grapes about this.

[12] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 06-23-2008 at 07:25 AM • top

So far away from all expense paid. Its been a miracle the way the money has come in for the conference as a whole, and for poor people like us. Completely miraculous. What better way to spend money at all, than to come here.

[13] Posted by Anne Kennedy on 06-23-2008 at 07:26 AM • top

This is a good point to remind everyone that the Gafcon site has a Paypal donation button.  Easy to do.

[14] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 06-23-2008 at 07:36 AM • top

Thank you, Anne, for really setting Emily H. straight from your pen as someone who really knows.  It is so wonderful to have you and Matt there reporting!
Back to Emily H.  As we orthodox have moved forward to reclaim the scriptures and the faith once delivered, I have found the unprovoked visceral anger from the revisionist has certainly increased from all sides. When personally confronted I simply make the suggestion that we pray for one another.  We all know it is meaningless to attempt to have a rational discussion with a rabid revisionist…....the stakes involving loss are increasingly becoming too high for them.

[15] Posted by Petra on 06-23-2008 at 07:56 AM • top

Matt and Anne:
Back to the pilgrimage experience.  I hope a trip to the Galilee is in the plans for you.  It’s so different from the almost mad house of Jerusalem.  As I stood at Capernaum (about 15 years ago) I suddenly caught the fragrance of a flower that I did not recognize and then realized that on the bus trip up from Tel Aviv I had seen no interstates, no hills rearranged by bulldozers, and it dawned on me that in that place, it really was the same as when Jesus had walked there.  Look for that.

[16] Posted by Geosez on 06-23-2008 at 08:34 AM • top

EmilyH,
Funny post. How hypocritical since TEC Elitists have treated themselves to 5- star hotels, limos, 5- star restaurants, etc… for years on our dime.
Oh I forogt, It’s “do as I say, not as I do” with you folks isn’t it?
So what is TEC’s message?


Crusader44

[17] Posted by Crusader44 on 06-23-2008 at 09:37 AM • top

Re # 10

Sarah, and others, please back-off a bit.  EmilyH has been very helpful to me.

When I have read several posts/comments by Matt+, David Handy+ and others like them I am tempted to relax.  We are in such good hands.  I haven’t as much to worry about as I thought. And then along comes an EmilyH or a Jake+, and I realize I have better keep the old nose to the grindstone, there’s still much to be done.

When reading several excellent comments has lured me into a relaxed sense of well being, along comes an EmilyH or a Jake+, slapping me back into an appropriate state of vigilance.

When I have been moved by posts/comments to question whether I did the right thing to leave ECUSA, wondering if I should have stayed and worked from within for change, along comes an EmilyH or a Jake+ and I realize that leaving was the right thing for me.

When I have read a persuasive comment reminding me to hate the sin but love the sinner, sometimes I start feeling that I am doing OK with that, and then along comes an EmilyH or a Jake+ and I am shocked into realization of how far I have to go in pursuit of that objective.

So back-off Sarah and others.

And keep it up EmilyH’s and Jake’s+.  I hope you are getting as much benefit out of your comments as I am; you strengthen my resolve and help me maintain a humble commitment when I begin to waiver.

I pray for God’s guidance and the blessings of His Grace for you and me as we continue our respective pilgrimages.

[18] Posted by Ol' Bob on 06-23-2008 at 09:55 AM • top

Emily, maybe someone up there has a sense of humour. All those Bishops that stood up for the truth get to go on a dream trip to visit the land of His birth and renew their faith. All those opposed or neutral get some time in a University dorm room in the rain. I’m also guessing that the overall cost between the two conferences is probably not that much different. England is an expensive country with the exchange rate. Israel offers better value for money.

A quick check using google confirms this:

Renaissance hotel - Jerusalem $118 per night
Kent University £97.50 ($200) for en-suite single dorm room

So the GAFCON folks can do more for the same money…

[19] Posted by Observing on 06-23-2008 at 10:04 AM • top

And keep it up EmilyH’s and Jake’s+.  I hope you are getting as much benefit out of your comments as I am;

Plus, notice the dynamic on this thread. A “conversation” that starts with a post about faith, pilgrimage, and the wonder of our Lord turns into revisionist-induced sniping and concerns about money, leaving charity and issues of faith and reform by the wayside.

Kinda sounds like S.O.P. for the last 30 years of PEcUSA “conversations” and conventions, doesn’t it?

Just another reality check such commentators provide, as Ol’ Bob points out.

grin
LP

[20] Posted by LP on 06-23-2008 at 10:11 AM • top

Perhaps EmilyH would feel better if Elton John had written the check.
Ah…the smell of Fresh Trolls in the morning…
Intercessor

[21] Posted by Intercessor on 06-23-2008 at 10:15 AM • top

LP: “Kinda sounds like S.O.P. ...”

Kinda sounds like a certain disciple, the one who kept the purse and said, “Why wasn’t this sold and given to the poor.”

[22] Posted by Theodora on 06-23-2008 at 10:16 AM • top

“Who who wants 3 weeks in a crummy dorm room in Kent?”

Emily H,  You have clearly never visited the University of Kent.  Which, by the by, is my “alma mater”.

Newer housing on campus is terrific, and available for rent during the summer at bargain rates. (Tip for economical accommodations in Canterbury)

[23] Posted by Invicta on 06-23-2008 at 10:22 AM • top

Emily H., I am this day adding you to my prayer list.  I urge others posting here to do the same.  May God shower rich blessings on you.  May you benefit from his abundant grace.  The peace of God which passes all understanding be with you.

[24] Posted by Rick H. on 06-23-2008 at 10:27 AM • top

Kinda sounds like a certain disciple, the one who kept the purse and said, “Why wasn’t this sold and given to the poor.”

ooo… I love it. Not-a-St. Judas, patron unsaint of PEcUSA and the MDGs.

That’s right, folks—deny Christ, giving Him the lip service of a mocking kiss, and sell your faith and souls away for the silver pieces of property and institution… it’s all good just so long as that 7/1000 of your budget keeps going to the United Nations’ corrupt distribution schemes! That’s a good little Episcopalian.

[25] Posted by LP on 06-23-2008 at 10:30 AM • top

A helicopter photo, 900K from a single un-named “Nigerian” donor, With all these fixins, GAFCON is sending out a message.  GAFCON looks more like an “all expense paid 5 star vacation for you and your spouse” than a conference “pilgrimage”

Wow.  Someone’s cheezed. 
Maybe you could explain to us how a “5-star vacation” is planned for one venue, but switches to another, at the last minute?  Also, could you explain how a 5-star vacation would be a working vacation?  Also, could you explain how the message “We’re rich and powerful” is reflected in the need to change the venue at the last minute?  Also, could you explain how the message of the conference is a vacation, or a pilgrimage, or a “were ‘x’ and ‘y’ “, rather than well… global Anglican issues? 

Your eisegetical prowess astounds.

[26] Posted by Moot on 06-23-2008 at 10:57 AM • top

EmilyH, Somebody on here said that the tangible assets of TEC amount to about $200,000,000.

Bankers and accountants—objective people, most of whom are not even Christian, much less Episcopalian—that I personally know, who have carefully examined the books at Trinity Wall Steet, would contend that the assets of that ONE PARISH exceed the assets of every Fotune 500 corporation in America.

One woman that I know (who is both a lawyer and a CPA—and who, incidentally, is Jewish) was asked to do some financial work for Trinity Wall Street. We had dinner together shortly after her work at TWS was complete. For obvious ethical reasons, she would not provide me with any concrete numbers in connection with her assessment of their financial position. But she did say to me that she was genuinely astonished to learn what their actual financial strength was. She said that, compared to TWS, the VATICAN’s financial profile looks rather like the financial position of a store-front church.

Did you know that there are really only TWO places in all of the United States where people pay (what the Brits call) ground-rent? Ground-rent is when you lease land in order to build upon it. In a sense, you sort of own your building for as long as the lease runs, but at the conclusion of the lease, EVERYTHING (land, building, etc.) REVERTS back to the party that owns the land. The TWO places in the States where one encounters ground-rent are Hawaii (most of the land in the Hawaiian Islands is still owned by members of the old Hawaiian royal family) and Manhattan.

Trinity Wall Street (thanks to gifts from the Stuyvestant family) owns and derives a steady stream of fathomless income from thousands upon thousands of acres of acres of THE MOST PRIME REAL ESTATE on the island of Manhattan. Included in their portfolio of real estate holding is MOST of lower Manhattan, south of Houston Street—in other words, the ENTIRE FINANCIAL DISTRICT. They also own most of Chelsea, and a HUGE portion of the upper East Side—including the land and building that we call “815.” How does an accountant compute the value of such real estate? It is virtually impossible to do—hence, all the vagueries surrounding TWS’s actual net worth.

Add to THIS the value of the Church Pension Fund, as well as the ENDOWMENTS of ancient Manhattan Parishes like St. Bart’s, etc. and you will will be able to get SOME sense of how much money the revisionists at 815 have to play with.

Anybody who thinks that TEC is even CLOSE to feeling a financial pinch is deluding themselves. And anybody who thinks that the Church of Nigeria is in the same financial league with TEC is stark raving mad.

The Church of Nigeria has, I think, something like 45-50 million communicants. More than 98% of these people live on ONE DOLLAR A DAY…

Get a grip, EmilyH. And pull your head out of the sand. I recommend that you do an in-depth word study on the proper noun “Moloch,” as it is used in the Bible. It might open your eyes to what god is REALLY being worshipped in TEC.

[27] Posted by bluenarrative on 06-23-2008 at 11:02 AM • top

I still think that a good nickname for EmilyH would be either “blind guide” or “Matt: 23:24.” The camel breakfast obviously has left her with some “indigestion” this morning.

Blessings and regards,
Martial Artist

[28] Posted by H. Potter (aka Martial Artist) on 06-23-2008 at 11:04 AM • top

By the way, the last time that I looked, there was not ONE Fortune 500 Corporation that had assets that were not at least EIGHTY TIMES the figure of $200,000,000.00

In contemporay America, a corporation with ONLY $200,000,000.00 in assets is referred to as a “small cap company”—in other words, a company with a SMALL capital valuation…

Do the math above. Then, remember that TEC’s assets EXCEED those of these 500 corporations.

[29] Posted by bluenarrative on 06-23-2008 at 11:12 AM • top

I am going to share with all of you the photoblog from gafcon from the pilgrims from the Diocese of Ft. Worth. I do not know if I can link this, but i will try. ,a href=“http://gafconphotoblog@blogspot.com/”>link</a>
If that doesn’t work then someone else please do it. Thanks.

[30] Posted by Houseownedbythedog3 on 06-23-2008 at 11:47 AM • top

The photo blog should be here.

As fresh as a blushing June bride.

[31] Posted by Matthew A (formerly mousestalker) on 06-23-2008 at 11:51 AM • top

oops try again.
link
No @.

[32] Posted by Houseownedbythedog3 on 06-23-2008 at 11:53 AM • top

Thanks mousestalker

[33] Posted by Houseownedbythedog3 on 06-23-2008 at 11:54 AM • top

Blue,
What you are saying does not sound like good news for TEC.  I grew up in the sue happy region of deep South Texas and the financial info you provided combined with the drive to claim all things for the “national church” would seem to mean that the TEC lawyers will be sure of full employment for at least a generation. 

If all belongs to the “national church” then the assets of Trinity Wall Street belong to the “national church” too.  Lawsuits chase deep pockets so when one slips and falls at any TEC church, fails to find the proper handicapped access, or has a child molested by a priest then it would appear to me that the one to sue is ... the “national church” in order to get to those deep pockets. 

Am I not seeing this correctly?

[34] Posted by Lawrence+ on 06-23-2008 at 12:04 PM • top

Lawrence (#34) That sounds about right to me. But I am NOT a lawyer. The bottom line for most of the orthodox Anglicans that is know seems to be this: we have much better things to do with our time than waste it in a court of law trying to bankrupt TEC. Always remember: the God that we worship owns “the cattle on a thousand hills.” He can provide for all of our financial needs. We do not really need to go after TEC’s assets. I think that it is one thing to defend yourself when unjustly sued. But I think that to intentionally go after TEC’s riches is rather unseemly, and creates a bad witness. Maybe I am wrong about this. I am unaware of ANY litigation initiated by any of the various components of the orthodox coalition now shaping up. I believe, perhaps incorrectly, that this has all been initiated by 815… I am now a member of the Church of Rwanda. In Rwanda, MOST congregations have NO BUILDINGS AT ALL and NO REAL ESTATE. They meet outdoors—in an open field… That seems to have been good enough for our Lord when he walked this Earth. It should be good enough for us also now, as we desperately try to follow Him… That’s my humble opinion, for whatever it is worth.

[35] Posted by bluenarrative on 06-23-2008 at 12:15 PM • top

Moot at #26.  I would be glad to so explain, off-line.  Should I do so here, my comments will be removed so just contact me.  Thanks

[36] Posted by EmilyH on 06-23-2008 at 12:32 PM • top

Blue,
I absolutely agree regarding the lawsuits and was not suggesting that folks seek to bankrupt TEC.  If someone was involved in such a thing in my diocese, my bishop would, quite rightly and very euphemistically, not be amused.

But, the sad truth is that, we live in a world where people will board a wrecked bus so that they can claim injury and file suit and there are a lot of people like that who will seek out deep pocket targets to prey upon.  In that light, it just seems to me that spreading the risk to a diocesan level despite the possibility that some congregations or dioceses might be lost would have been a far better strategy (not to mention obvious one) than painting a big target on the national organization.

I stated this in secular terms simply because, I expect that TEC deals in no other.

[37] Posted by Lawrence+ on 06-23-2008 at 12:42 PM • top

It looks like the Mount of Olives helicopter photo is now online?
http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/all/1?q=gafcon

[38] Posted by Observing on 06-23-2008 at 01:19 PM • top

Bluenarrative [27] You are correct about the vast wealth of Trinity Wall Street.  It would be good if the Church at large could see the books open at 815… Legal spending? Giving to an unknown black hole does not make you feel like pledging. Perhaps IRS might be able to take a peak at non profit…

[39] Posted by Tom Dennis on 06-23-2008 at 02:03 PM • top

Emily,

No thanks. 

Unfortunately, even if the less splenetic of your assertions are true, the febrile illogic of your post yet remains. 

If I can scrounge up the time this week, I’ll take a gander at the 100+ page travel brochure put out by this Riviera experience.  This is time I consider well spent, and I might not be able to do even that. 

You can imagine that I might not have time for less important endeavors.

[40] Posted by Moot on 06-23-2008 at 05:08 PM • top

It looks like the Mount of Olives helicopter photo is now online?
http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/all/1?q=gafcon

Nice pic.  Who cares how it, or GafCon, was paid for?  Was the money freely given and within reason spent on its intended purpose.  Sheesh.  Move on.  Nothing to see here but smiling faces blessed to be on holy ground.

Peace,

[41] Posted by miserable sinner on 06-23-2008 at 05:35 PM • top

Bluenarrative, #27, Reading your post about the obscene amount of money this church has, reminds me of +Akinola’s comment in the early days of this crisis, when Trinity Wall Street or TEC were threatening to cut off the ‘chicken dinners.’  His reply: “All the money in the world can’t insulate me from the fires of hell if I condone their heresies.” 

Second thought: Sounds like TWS could fund the MGDs and a few other good works and save TEC a whole lot of fuss and carrying on.

[42] Posted by Floridian on 06-23-2008 at 06:13 PM • top

Let me reminisce and perhaps help bring this thread to a happier place.  Over 20 years ago when my group from St. George’s College arrived at the Mount of Olives, I frankly was disappointed to see throngs of uniformed Italian school children jammed EVERYWHERE. I thought the exuberant young crowd would ruin the site for me, but I was wrong! Under their nun-chaperones’ guidance, they began singing, and as I wandered around, I couldn’t stop crying—it was all SO BEAUTIFUL!  The tears became a frequent companion during the tour. Another “waterfall” for me was at the Franciscan Monastery where archaeologists speculate that Jesus spent some of his childhood. I could NOT stop crying, and our tour guide, who later became quite infamous for his scoundrelly activities as secretary for the Anglican Consultative Counsel, said that MANY people were having that reaction, and that it seemed to be confirmation of the holiness of the site. Ah, memories of a simpler time…. grin

[43] Posted by Anglicat on 06-24-2008 at 06:16 AM • top

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