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Finally, Into the Breach? The Global Anglican Future Begins

Saturday, June 28, 2008 • 5:21 pm

The international orthodox leadership is no longer content to huddle together and ask the archbishop for relief. They are creating their own relief. In announcing a new and potentially far-reaching structural response to the needs of the orthodox in North America, they have finally lost patience with the ABC's refusal to exhibit coherent leadership. They are themselves entering the vacuum into which the revisionists have been rushing these past several years, and putting their own facts on the ground.
It should be obvious to all attentive observers that for Rowan Williams and TEC, the best outcome for GAFCON was for it to fall apart; or, failing that, that a unified gathering in Jerusalem would decide to walk away from the communion, formally severing ties and leaving them and the revisionist wing of the communion with an annoying but brief period of public hand-wringing over their departing brothers and sisters, followed by their kicking back and enjoying a new conflict-free communion.

As the GAFCON statement just released should make clear, the result is neither. The threat to leave has become a promise to stay, but life for Rowan Williams and the Episcopal Church will be anything but conflict-free.

As I've written repeatedly throughout this crisis - the latest just the other day - Rowan Williams has compounded the Anglican Communion's core problem - of having no clear power structures or chains of command - by his studied refusal to exert what little authority his office enjoyed. His clumsy and ill-advised attempts, when he made them at all, only exacerbated the confusion and ambiguity.

The revisionist wing of the communion, led by 815 and the ACO, and abetted by the ABC's almost pathological desire for stasis, rushed into this vacuum and plowed ahead with their "prophetic" agenda: Deliberate foot-dragging on its response to Windsor, in-your-face nominations to the office of bishop of partnered homosexuals, Gene Robinson's "wedding" and the full-court California press for gay marriages, just to name a few. We've cataloged thousands of other examples, large and small, over the years here at Stand Firm.

While revisionists attempt to portray provincial border-crossings by foreign primates as transgressions of an equal order, that is hardly the case. Such interventions are responses to a crisis: Rescue operations, as it were, not first-strike options such as the revisionists have launched. That said, though, they are quite similar to revisionist actions in the sense that they would not be happening - perhaps not at all, but certainly not to the extent they are - had Rowan Williams not abdicated what power he did have by his inaction - and incoherent actions - over these past few years, and in the process created such a gaping power vacuum in the communion in the first place.

Despite indications before it got started that it might devolve into incoherence and chaos, the leaders of GAFCON have - against all odds - coalesced into a remarkably unified front, and issued a far more firm and substantial statement than probably anyone would have guessed they would.

It is probably accurate to say that, in a major way, the Anglican Communion just changed.

The change represented by this statement, and the structural remedies outlined in it, are not perfect by any means, and neither will this be the last important change in this crisis by any means. Perhaps most significant is that the international orthodox leadership is no longer content to huddle together and ask the archbishop for relief. They are creating their own relief. In announcing a new and potentially far-reaching structural response to the needs of the orthodox in North America, they have finally lost patience with the ABC's refusal to exhibit coherent leadership. They are themselves entering the vacuum into which the revisionists have been rushing these past several years, and putting their own facts on the ground.

Will this improve the situation immediately for orthodox Anglicans in North America? No. There is no question about whether this a magic bullet; it is not. There is much work to be done. It may be that the primates and bishops who have taken this dramatic step - as well as those of us foot-soldiers here in the rank and file, on whom so much of the plan's success or failure depends - are planting the seed of a tree under whose shade we will never sit. We must all be aware of that, and come to terms each in his own way with the fact that we may just now be embarking on the real crusade to save this church. We've said for the last two or three years around here: The real struggle has yet to begin. Things will get harder before they get easier. Gird yourself for the future, or resign yourself to being beat down by challenges and setbacks.

Will the primates and bishops who produced this state stand by it, in the lonely and difficult years to come? Will there be enough orthodox lay people in the pews who will (and are able) to rally to it? What difference, if any, will it make for the many orthodox Episcopalians in "moderate" diocese, whose bishops have raised inaction to an art form?

Let us take a moment to give thanks to God for the hard work done and hard choices made by GAFCON's leaders; and after that, let us be humble in this small victory and remain vigilant in our humility as we go about the hard work of building on it. Once again, we find ourselves in uncharted territory, and we are literally making new rules as we go. The staying power of this new initiative - whether it translates into real and enduring change and reform in the communion - will of course turn on whether it is God's will, but we have work to do, too. We have to act boldly, but not arrogantly. We have to be thankful for our blessings, but not let it become an expression of vengeance against our opponents. The more this initiative is defined on its own merits; on what it is, not what it is not; on who it helps, not who it angers or frustrates, the more successful we can expect it to be.
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The other thread got hijacked, so I’ll raise my question here.

Will the new North American Province include churches that are also members of TEC (in the ACN)? How the heck is that going to work?

[1] Posted by Chazaq on 06-28-2008 at 04:46 PM • top

Very very well said.  Very wise words.  Thank you.

[2] Posted by Theodora on 06-28-2008 at 04:47 PM • top

To me this is the best scenario for working for reform from within. One doesn’t have to be Episcopal to do the wrok from within to bring bout reform or change nback to our Biblical roots! We are all Anglicans including the Episcopals, even though they refuse to accept it unless it fits a certain purpose to meet their end needs. My being in and Anligan Diocese under the temporary shelter of the Province of the Southern Cones gives me connection to the historic See without having to be apart of an apostate Province. So we along with the faithful in Jerusalem at GAFCON can now begin the work of reform from within the WWAC because it is as a whole sick of heresy. This statement gives us the clarity and vision we need to do this work ahead!

[3] Posted by TLDillon on 06-28-2008 at 05:25 PM • top

ODC, not so fast. If the new province includes Episcopal churches remaining in TEC who are part of the Common Cause Partnership because they are part of the Anglican Communion Network, then they are still part of an apostate province (TEC). So this new structure would be proclaiming that it is OK to remain part of an apostate province.  That is a non-starter in my book.  There needs to be a clear statement that the new province excludes TEC churches, because it is unclear the way the statement is phrased now.

[4] Posted by Chazaq on 06-28-2008 at 05:37 PM • top

Nice commentary Greg.  I love your closing paragraph.  Amen & Amen.  It’s nearing midnight in my timezone, so I’m going to sign off soon, but just wanted to say thanks for pulling us back to a focus on what this means and the work yet ahead.

But indeed, I will be going to bed with a heart full of thankfulness tonight.  This is “more than I had asked or imagined” (Eph 3:20)  Thanks be to God for His faithfulness and for His faithful servants who labored long and hard to get us to this point.

[5] Posted by Karen B. on 06-28-2008 at 05:54 PM • top

Well analyzed, summarized, and said, Greg!
And thanks for the Act of God in the accidental early posting of the Communique.

[6] Posted by MasterServer on 06-28-2008 at 06:02 PM • top

“Will the new North American Province include churches that are also members of TEC (in the ACN)? How the heck is that going to work? ”

It is going to be hard for TEC churches to sign on to the Declaration as ones who “reject the authority of [815].” And most TEC churches have refused to say as bluntly that TEC institutionally preaches a different gospel, and is composed of false teachers. If they had dared say such in the past, it would have only highlighted the compromising nature of remaining identified with another religion.

[7] Posted by alfonso on 06-28-2008 at 06:36 PM • top

Actually, the subject heading of Gledhill’s latest got it right.  This schism “Anglican style”—gradual estrangement via the setting up of parallel structures.  It’s happened before with Methodism.  Eventually the GAFCON movement will recognize itself as independent of Canterbury.

[8] Posted by Third Mill Catholic on 06-28-2008 at 06:45 PM • top

As an outsider to this process, the most refreshing thing for me was putting Lambeth 2008 and the ABC on notice: “You are a problem, and not a mere victim. And we see you’ve got no clothes.”

[9] Posted by alfonso on 06-28-2008 at 06:47 PM • top

I don’t see that a new province in North America *can* contain TEC parishes.  That’s why it is a new province and not the old province.  Since GAFCON has no authority to disband TEC, you might as well assume we are talking about overlapping geographic jurisdictions IMHO.

[10] Posted by monologistos on 06-28-2008 at 06:48 PM • top

Third Mill, I hope that such gradualism will work in today’s world of instant communications, and that there remains enough people still interested in all of this when the formal seperation occurs.
No Episcopal Church outside of a departing Diocese can formally ascribe to this; there is really no scenario through which this or any other group can help those who feel called to remain in TEC.

[11] Posted by Going Home on 06-28-2008 at 06:58 PM • top

I wonder if the Queen is going to call Archbishop Williams and ask him how he is going to fix this. 
It seems to me that Lambeth can handle this by simply reacting.  That could take two forms.  One to react by saying that we’re just going to pretend it didn’t happen (husband pretends he didn’t hear wife say, “I’m going to leave you if you don’t stop running around”).  Or to react by scrapping the planned dialogue and spending a great deal of time in crafting something to try to save the situation (Husband denies he’s been running around, and there’s really no cause for her to be this upset.  “Here have a dozen roses honey”).  Neither of these is a mature response. 
On the other hand, Lambeth could respond.  The bishops could spend time in dialogue, seeking to understand one another, and to understand what just happened in Jerusalem (Husband takes time to reflect on the injury his behavior is causing the marriage and decides to be different realizing it’s going to take a long time to earn the trust of his wife again.  Then he can sincerely apologize and the two can work on their marriage and what went wrong in the first place).  This is the mature response. 
My guess is that Lambeth will do something along the lines of reacting by ignoring that anything just happened.  The split in the communion will continue to widen until there are really two different entities.  The US and Canada will continue to be the battle ground on which the war is fought.  Anglicanism in these countries will continue to fragment. 
For those who see this as a bleak picture, please note that I have almost never been right in my predictions.  In 2003 my prediction was the GC would not consent to the Bishop of New Hampshire.  I have friends who take great joy in reminding me.

[12] Posted by revrj on 06-28-2008 at 07:05 PM • top

Can anyone recommend a primer (book or other resources) for someone not very Anglican theology savvy?  Looking to better understand the historical documents behind the new movement—for example, major differences between the 1662 BCP and more recent ones.

[13] Posted by DavidH on 06-28-2008 at 07:07 PM • top

The Queen, who is north of 80, is not a factor, regretably, if she ever really was. Lets just hope her successor is not, as well! Schori would love Prince Charles.

[14] Posted by Going Home on 06-28-2008 at 07:13 PM • top

Going Home: “Gradual” is, of course, a relative term.  But the GAFCON statement ensures some element of gradualism even in this age of instant communication in that they held back from a clean break.  I can only surmise that this hesitancy is due to the significant number of GAFCON bishops who were committed to going to Lambeth, wanting to give the course of discipline one last shot.  I think it significant that there is no mention of the Covenant process in the statement.  A non-starter perhaps?
Anyway, as a catholic, I find both laudable and scary items in the statement.  I would be quite surprised that Iker, Ackerman, and Schofield are perfectly happy with the statement as it presently reads.

[15] Posted by Third Mill Catholic on 06-28-2008 at 07:17 PM • top

Greg, I can’t improve on KarenB’s # 5 comment. “ Nice commentary Greg.  ...  Amen & Amen.”

I add my Amen and Amen.

The Gafcon document is, in my opinion, a statement of principal and is less than 24 hours old.  We will be re-reading it, interpreting it, searching it for meaning and intent 24 days, 24 weeks, 24 months and perhaps 24 years from now, as we have the statements of the Councils and other such documents.

The details we seem to seek to define now are not in this document.  They will emerge in its implementation, over time.

That is not to suggest that discussion, questions and comments about the details are not appropriate and useful now; indeed, they can influence the eventual implementation.

My heart is full.  Three times in and out of ECUSA since Saint Louis and now out again.  My personal view is that, with the guidance of The Holy Spirit, this can be a new start on fixing something old and precious, but broken.

I have been greatly emotionally invested in GAFCON, perhaps too much so.  I am so grateful for the statement of principal, that the details, while important, are secondary to me at this point.

Thank You, Lord.

[16] Posted by Ol' Bob on 06-28-2008 at 07:19 PM • top

Her Majesty does not have the authority to actually remove Rowan Williams, since he was appointed by the Prime Minister, and since this is the case, he is referred to by her as “My Lord Archbishop.”  She can recommend candidates for the office of Archbishop of Canterbury, but she cannot make an appointment to that office.

[17] Posted by Cennydd on 06-28-2008 at 07:28 PM • top

Haven’t the GS and all that have attended this GAFCON said by their actions, statements, & refusal to attend Lambeth, etc…baically the same thing that this Communique says? The more I read it the more it comes across as just a formal statement of exactly what we already think and know and have done, i.e. seceding from TEC, border crossing to help those of us who need oversight, Anglican Church planting by AMiA, CANA, and others. Thus staying in the WWAC does what for us when England is no better off than TEC, Scotland, Canada, and others who have embrased an new thing theology and are affirming homosexuals to Holy Orders and marrriages/blessings.
What does this Communique really do for us besides officailly state the obvious?

[18] Posted by TLDillon on 06-28-2008 at 07:39 PM • top

My remark about the queen was meant to sound a note of levity.  I will make a formal apology that I drew her “Into the Breach.”

[19] Posted by revrj on 06-28-2008 at 07:41 PM • top

It seems to me that to the average TEC churchgoer nothing has changed. Unless they vote to leave and risk their property, they have no mechanism to join the new structure. 815 is not going to mend their ways. The depositions and lawsuits will continue until the morale improves!

The US courts will certainly not decide who is the true Anglican - TEC or GAFCON so the property and lawsuit issues are still front and center.

[20] Posted by Terry on 06-28-2008 at 09:00 PM • top

#17 cennydd
Actually an appoitments commission selects 2 candidates for ABC and sends them to the prime minister who selects one and sends it to the queen for her to appoint.

[21] Posted by art+ on 06-28-2008 at 09:06 PM • top

For years I’ve been waiting for some sort of direction: are we fighting to save the AC, or leaving?  I’m not sure this is the best strategy, but it’s good to have marching orders.  We’re fighting from within.  So be it.

Wolverine

[22] Posted by Wolverine on 06-28-2008 at 09:25 PM • top

Let me make an observation I’ve made already over at T19.  Just as the location of GAFCON in Jerusalem is highly apt and symbolic as a fresh start and a return to the roots of the Christian faith and life where it all began, so I’m inclined to find an apt and meaningful symbolism in the date of the release of this momentous declaration.  June 29th is the Feast of both Peter and Paul.  And Anglicanism at its best represents the heritage of both Peter, the Catholic hero, and Paul, the Protestant hero.

My earnest hope and prayer is that this turns out to be an enduring symbol of the new Anglicanism that will result from this movement, i.e., that it will be true to both Peter and Paul, as we orthodox Anlgicans have always done at our best.  Time will tell.  But I’m encouraged.  This is a promising start.

David Handy+

[23] Posted by New Reformation Advocate on 06-28-2008 at 09:34 PM • top

Very nice work Greg.  Thank you and everyone at SF for all you do.

[24] Posted by physician without health on 06-28-2008 at 09:54 PM • top

Art, what influence does Her Majesty actually have over the Archbishop of Canterbury?  Can she ask him to resign?

[25] Posted by Cennydd on 06-28-2008 at 10:01 PM • top

ODC (18)
It gives a specific starting place and a platform to grow on.  Almost like a declaration of independence is just words until it grows into a movement and then a revolution.  For those who choose to stay in TEC times have just gotten a lot harder.  Those purple shirts hiding in the corner are going to be pressed hard by both sides to come out and fight and at the parish level there is a clearer vision of what “is out there for us” and I think more will be willing to leave.  As the screws tighten even the moderates- whatever they are- will be looking for a place of peace and mission.  Sarah- good luck, girl.  The Lord surly knows your name.

[26] Posted by Elizabeth on 06-28-2008 at 10:17 PM • top

#13, DavidH,

http://www.pbsusa.org

That’ll get you started.

[27] Posted by Fr Greg Crosthwait on 06-28-2008 at 10:34 PM • top

At this stage of the journey towards Anglican realignment, I am reminded of Churchill’s remark after the North African campaign. “It is not the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.”

[28] Posted by Jeff Thimsen on 06-28-2008 at 10:36 PM • top

Disappointing.I looked for surgery on the cancer, not more chemo therapy. Now will come more conversation, more committees, more working from within. ECUSA will continue to do its thing and those of us surrounded by it will have no real solution in Anglicanism.

[29] Posted by stevenanderson on 06-28-2008 at 10:36 PM • top

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Now will come more conversation, more committees, more working from within.

No, That is not what the communiqué says. Please site the portions of the communiqué that clearly show that the GAFCON is merely the next step in more yammering, without any action. It is not. It is, in fact, laced with numerous signposts that point toward action, not merely talk.

I looked for surgery on the cancer…

I am not certain what real-world changes you expected - a GACFON vigilante team to enter every heretical diocesan office and clean house? I see that the actual proposed actions in the communiqué will provide a solid basis for world-wide Anglican Orthodoxy (it’s not all about the US and Canada) and will provide a path forward on the North American continent. It will continue to be very messy and chaotic for a long time to come (as Kendall Harmon warned us months ago), but we will be able to head in a direction that includes a separate province and real boundaries to what being an Anglican Christian means. Were all the process details hammered out in Jerusalem - obviously not, but a map and a commitment to follow it were set out.

[30] Posted by Bill Cool on 06-28-2008 at 11:38 PM • top

It seems that whenever conservative Anglicans get especially frustrated with the Archbishop of Canterbury, someone always suggests that the Archbishop should be sacked by the Queen.  This shows a certain ignorance about how the (famously unwritten) British Constitution works.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, like all English bishops, is appointed by the Sovereign on the advice of her ministers (and the phrase “on the advice of her ministers” means that it is Gordon Brown’s call, not hers).  But once appointed, he does not serve at the Queen’s pleasure, but for life—unless he be removed by established legal or canonical procedures.  Even in the old days, when the English sovereign exercised a good deal more actual power than nowadays, he or she could not simply sack a sitting Archbishop at will.  If I recall correctly, when Queen Mary wanted to get rid of Archbishop Cranmer, she did not simply give him a pink slip.  She had to have him tried for heresy and then burned.  Similarly, when Thomas Beckett lost favour with the King (I forget at the moment which one), he wasn’t fired; he was murdered.

In any case, even if the Archbishop did serve at the Queen’s pleasure, to be sacked at will, she could not (under the current British practice) fire him on her own.  She could do so only if her ministers advised her to do so.  So if you would like Rowan Williams to be fired, you must apply to Gordon Brown, not to Her Majesty.

[31] Posted by Chris Jones on 06-29-2008 at 12:14 AM • top

This is a alot more than words. This establishes a structure that does not recognize heretical bishops and does not understand Canterbury as necessary to Anglicanism. This is certainly not another meeting

[32] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 06-29-2008 at 12:25 AM • top

My opinion is that the cancer is so advanced in TEC that the patient is terminal, and Common Cause (the new Province) is the viable Anglican alternative.  I wish it were not so, and the agonies of those who still have to deal with TEC and who will lose their church properties have my deep sympathy.

As to the Anglican Communion in general:  English evangelicals and catholics alike need to become seriously organized and energized to prevent what is happening in the U.S. from crossing the ocean.  The time is now, this coming month.  If the Church of England can be saved and renewed then the Anglican Communion can continue without a major schism, with the new North American province and eventually without the old ones.

[33] Posted by Katherine on 06-29-2008 at 12:29 AM • top

First Impression: This statement sets forth the vision of an Anglican Communion within the existing Anglican Federation.

I believe this statement is probably the best we could have hoped for, and that it charts a wiser course than many would have chosen.  Greg is right in saying “the Anglican Communion just changed.”  Among other developments:

1) Primates representing a significant portion of the communion have, for all intents and purposes, declared the instruments of unity untrustworthy and irrelevant. 

2) As Matt points out, heretical bishops are not recognized.  Boundary crossings are affirmed as a tool for dealing with such bishops.

3) CCP has received the GAFCON stamp of approval as the developing province in North America.

4) These primates have committed themselves to a reformed Anglicanism that looks a lot like the vision of the Anglican Divines.  This is a definite clarification and narrowing of the meaning of Anglicanism.

Does this solve all of our problems in North America?  No.  The GAFCON vision cannot rescue parishes that refuse to leave hostile dioceses in ECUSA.  That part of the fight has always been our responsibility.  What it does for dioceses that choose to remain in ECUSA remains to be seen.  However, if CCP does grow into a true province then I suspect conservative dioceses in ECUSA eventually will be forced to make a choice.

Realistically, with the current ABC, it was never possible for the GAFCON primates to have ECUSA evicted.  What they are offering us in North America is the chance to create a competing province that is a part of their communion within a federation. 

May this province be distinguished from ECUSA by its deployment of the weapons of the Kingdom rather than the weapons of this world.

[34] Posted by HLP on 06-29-2008 at 01:56 AM • top

Here’s a thought for you all: I think a lot of us (some years back!) were looking for the Archbishop of Canterbury to come in and lay the boom on the US and Canada. If you think about it, what has happened here is that some of the primates have stepped up to the plate to create a home for orthodox Anglicanism where the egregious practices of the US and Canada have been prescribed. The next question becomes, is it a big enough place for everyone? (keeping in mind questions about the 39 Articles, etc.) Still, it looks like a home is being created where something healthy can happen (thanks be to God!)

[35] Posted by yohanelejos on 06-29-2008 at 04:27 AM • top

The reference to Ezek. 22 is fascinating.  God went looking for one who would stand in the breach in the protective wall around the city and found no one.  Perhaps they were away at a conference.  How many resources have been spent and how many days have been lost because of this effort to convince the Anglican world that “we are the true body of Christ”?  Regardless of how necessary some think this expenditure of talent and time has been, it is well past time to turn our collective attention to the “prophets, priests, princes, and people” who don’t give a whit about the Gospel.  Some will say that is what GAFCON has been.  I say the new system seems too much like the old system where the so-called leaders talk amongst themselves.  The sheep need very present shepherds.  It’s time to stop talking so much about being the church of Christ and to start being the church of Christ with heart, soul, mind, and strength.  The conclusion of Ezek. 22 makes that clear.

[36] Posted by bluesblood on 06-29-2008 at 05:26 AM • top

#35, Archbishop Rowan Williams, The CoE and his office were compromised by their ‘co-dependency’ and financial/admistrative arrangements with the US church (as is +Jerusalem) and therefore he didn’t have the spiritual, ecclesial or moral power to enact anything or to rescue anyone.  We saw one example of the moral disease in the CoE with the mock-wedding in a Church in England a week ago.

[37] Posted by Theodora on 06-29-2008 at 05:30 AM • top

I am terribly sorry I mentioned her majesty in a failed attempt at levity.  I actually had something like a Monty Python skit running through my head.  I am not actually ignorant of the way the system works.  It’s knowing how the system works that would make the whole thing rather funny. 
Actually, no one should expect the ABC to do anything.  They should hope that the bishops gathered at Lambeth (including the ABC, but not the Queen, I know that she is not par of the cast here) will do something proactive rather than reactive.  I do believe that most of the bishops at Lambeth will have the best interest of the church in mind.  Even some of those with whom I most deeply disagree believe that they are doing what is best for the church.

[38] Posted by revrj on 06-29-2008 at 05:41 AM • top

#36, This conference was not a waste of time, it was only a week (unlike the nearly month long Lambeth) it was an amazing use of time and resources and an amazing move of God.
This movement will most certainly translate into the local churches, saving the lost into a Church that can truly disciple them in the faith and holiness - rather than blessing sin and leaving them in it, not teaching that God has the power to heal and deliver from all sin.
Matthew 12:45; Matthew 23:15; John 5:14; I Corinthians 6:9-11; II Timothy 3:13; II Peter 2:20; Hebrews 7:25

[39] Posted by Theodora on 06-29-2008 at 05:46 AM • top

Dear Mr. Bluesblood,
I understand what you are saying, but I disagree that this week was a waste of time.  The shepherds needed to gather and very much needed the fellowship and affirmation, and yes, the joy of worship.  However, there has been so much talk and our lives ARE finite.  So time for us to put the talking behind us and move forward.  That is what I am going to try to do.  However fascinating this all is…

[40] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 06-29-2008 at 05:54 AM • top

Dear Mr. Cool,

I thought the statement was a scalpel in the surgery you are looking for.  But how do you expect these diverse folks to put together a separate communion without getting together and meeting and going through the committee process?  Before GAFCON the meetings and committees seemed to be folks sitting about muttering “what to do?  what to do?”  Now, they have decided what to do and to do it responsibly takes some political skill, nuance, and yes, committees.

[41] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 06-29-2008 at 06:02 AM • top

Correction:  My above post, #41, was directed at Mr. StevenAnderson, #29.  My apologies.

GMM

[42] Posted by GoodMissMurphy on 06-29-2008 at 06:05 AM • top

Leander Harding (see T-19)calls it a change of tempo…the initiative and power have been taken from the hands of the revisionists.

[43] Posted by Theodora on 06-29-2008 at 06:20 AM • top

GAFCON was a waste only if the goal was rescue of TEC parishes with their buildings intact—which would be a fairly myopic view of things.

That said, the spiritually “safe place” is indeed being provided, while many will have gut-wrenching decisions to leave buildings where they and their families have poured their lives into the Church. Clergy and others depending on TEC for finances will have to leave TEC in one way or another for their soul’s health and witness of integrity. I don’t mean to be trite, but these folks will face in a special (but not unique) way, Christ’s command: “Pick up your cross and follow me!”

[44] Posted by alfonso on 06-29-2008 at 07:08 AM • top

#12 revrj,
Interesting analogy. There is a video clip from the t.v. program Love American-Style which had an episode in which Joey Bishop, the actor, portrays a filandering husband who is caught in bed with another woman. She begins to rail against him and stays completely calm and cool, denying absolutely everything. In the end she asks him what he wants for supper. Deny, deny, deny; seems to be the only route left, short of actual repentance.

[45] Posted by RMBruton on 06-29-2008 at 11:08 AM • top

Ol’ Bob #16: “We will be re-reading it, interpreting it…”

Interpret?!? Interpret?!?

I thought that was a naughty word, according to the Jerusalem Statement—I mean, if one must read a “translated, not interpreted” version of Holy Scripture, must one not also read a “translated, not interpreted” version of the Statement?

[46] Posted by PadreWayne on 06-29-2008 at 07:53 PM • top

Elucidating it in a manner consistent with its inherent meaning as intended by the author, PadreWayne.  This might be a new concept for you and many within ECUSA/TEC/GCC/EO-PAC given your track record of “interpretation” in regard to Scripture, Tradition, and Reason, not to mention legal thingies (Going well for you in Virginia, I dare say, eh?!).

But good try, PadreWayne, good try.  It’s nice to see an attempt at levity disguising a belated understanding of one’s own errors.  Gives the physician a clue there might be a tad more self-awareness in the narcissicistic megalomanaical single-issue patient in therapy.

[47] Posted by dwstroudmd on 06-30-2008 at 01:22 AM • top

Since the other thread was closed (and driven off topic) before I had a chance to give my say, I’ll post my thoughts here.

The declaration is very good; but not quite good enough in my view. I think that the statement will ultimately be judged on how well it deals with the present crisis. If it is to serve as the basis of a newly reformed Anglicanism; which I think is what we all want it to be. It has to have clear statements which undermine the foundations of what our worthy opponents believe; statements which cannot be reinterpreted. It has to be constructed to completely prevent any similar error in the future. In that, I think that the declaration is only partially successful.

These two sections are good:

2. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Word of God written and to contain all things necessary for salvation. The Bible is to be translated, read, preached, taught and obeyed in its plain and canonical sense, respectful of the church’s historic and consensual reading.

Yes, absolutely, although I might put in a direct reference to article 20 here as well as article 6 (although, since its contained in the 39 articles, it is indirectly within this declaration).

5. We gladly proclaim and submit to the unique and universal Lordship of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, humanity’s only Saviour from sin, judgement and hell, who lived the life we could not live and died the death that we deserve. By his atoning death and glorious resurrection, he secured the redemption of all who come to him in repentance and faith.

I think that William Witt commented recently that the word `only’ here is a chief difference between us and the worthy opponents. Thus this section is good.

However, as Matt pointed out recently, there is a third foundational difference between us and our worthy opponents, alongside Christiology and Biblical nature/authority: epistemology. My feeling is that this declaration doesn’t say enough, or indeed anything, to undermine postmodernism (and to a lesser extent modernism where it conflicts with the gospel). I would have preferred an additional clause with the words `objectively known’ and `reality’ and something along the lines of `supremely revealed’ scattered liberally within it in the order consistent with the gospel that would cause most distress to a postmodern academic.

12. We celebrate the God-given diversity among us which enriches our global fellowship, and we acknowledge freedom in secondary matters. We pledge to work together to seek the mind of Christ on issues that divide us.

How do we define secondary matters; decide which is primary and which secondary? ``The way, the truth and the life” discussed it briefly, but I think something needs to be mentioned here. We don’t want another St Michael’s report declaring something to be “doctrine but not core doctrine” again.

11. We are committed to the unity of all those who know and love Christ and to building authentic ecumenical relationships. We recognise the orders and jurisdiction of those Anglicans who uphold orthodox faith and practice, and we encourage them to join us in this declaration.

13. We reject the authority of those churches and leaders who have denied the orthodox faith in word or deed. We pray for them and call on them to repent and return to the Lord.

There is again a question of definition here. Also, ``We are committed to the unity of all those who know and love Christ.” Amen, absolutely. But Dr Schori also claims to know and love Christ; so her supporters might see a contradiction between this statement and point 13. Something such as ``all those who genuinely know and love Christ,” I think removes the ambiguity and gets the point across.

[48] Posted by Boring Bloke on 06-30-2008 at 03:29 AM • top

Boring Bloke (#48),

Welcome back; we’ve been missing you.  I welcome the helpful points you’ve just made.  I agree with you.

David Handy+

[49] Posted by New Reformation Advocate on 06-30-2008 at 04:22 AM • top

Boring bloke,
I know your heart is in the right place. But you are nit-picking a very fine statement.
What is the difference between “We are committed to the unity of all those who know and love Christ.” and “We are committed to the unity of all those who genuinely know and love Christ.”?
One either knows Christ or not. The extra word adds nothing. The statement works as it is.

[50] Posted by obadiahslope on 06-30-2008 at 05:06 AM • top

I know your heart is in the right place.

Thank you.

But you are nit-picking a very fine statement.

I agree that it is a very fine statement. I would sign every point in an instant. I also believe that this declaration, if upheld, could save the Anglican communion. But why settle for just very fine? If this is to be the defining document of the realignment, should we not try to make it as perfect as humanly possible? (Not that I am suggesting that my comments were necessarily improvements, or perfect or whatever, I’m just trying to start a discussion, even if that makes me a TECite; nor by saying `humanly possible’ am I denying the role of the holy spirit in GAFCON as this document was framed. I really must think these things through before typing them.)

What is the difference between “We are committed to the unity of all those who know and love Christ.” and “We are committed to the unity of all those who genuinely know and love Christ.”?
One either knows Christ or not. The extra word adds nothing. The statement works as it is.

To realists, such as ourselves, the word adds nothing. Those who interpret point 11 through point 13 would see the certainly intended meaning. However, a postmodern, whom this document is ultimately targeted towards, to root them out, would say ``I claim to know and love Jesus in my heart; therefore I do know and love Jesus as well as the Presiding Bishop of the Southern Cone even though I believe entirely different things about him. My interpretation in my context is just as good as anyone elses. etc.” The word `genuinely’ is intended to work against the assumptions behind that perspective, by stating that certain claims to know and love Jesus are objectively false. There might, of course, be a better way of expressing it.

I just feel that if this document is to be as effective as it could be (although it will certainly be very effective as it stands), it has to undermine our worthy opponents at their first points of departure from the orthodox faith, as well as in the presenting issues. To my mind, that includes the modernist/post-modernist paradigms behind most liberal thought (and I think that most here would agree with me). This document has to be as much to stamp out the whole heresy in the future as remove its current manifestations.

[51] Posted by Boring Bloke on 06-30-2008 at 05:40 AM • top

Boring Bloke,
that there are people who have sincere but false beliefs about Christ is addressed just a little further on under point 13.

[52] Posted by obadiahslope on 06-30-2008 at 05:50 AM • top

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