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The Post-Lambeth Anglican Communion: Clarified Divisions, Hardened Stances, & Unfettered “Freedom”

Sunday, August 3, 2008 • 5:11 pm

Kendall Harmon uses the metaphor of judgement to talk about a very similar theme.  No matter what, he has stated, Anglicans who are Anglicans will either go to Babylon or stay in Jerusalem—and neither place is all that pleasant, and comfortable.  But in both places, Anglicans must do their duty—they must do seemingly mundane things like build their families, bless the place they are in, and plant olive trees, even in the midst of judgement.  Of the Old Testament books I have preferred the book of Nehemiah.  One enters the rubble of the landscape, surrounded by enemies and angry fellow citizens and very loud naysayers, and one sets about to rebuilding walls of the pulverized city with a sword in one hand and a trowel in another.


I am sitting in one of my little sanctuaries at the University of Kent—a very quiet computer lab on the second floor of a building—on Sunday.  In a few hours tomorrow morning, I will God willing be heading home. [I did some editing and added the final section of this article on Tuesday prior to posting.]

For my own clarity, good order, and reflection, and hopefully for readers’ as well, I’d like to offer some thoughts on the Lambeth Conference, as well as some thoughts on the aftermath of the Lambeth Conference, and what the conference will mean for the various players in the Anglican Communion.

General Perspectives on the Lambeth Conference

The Lambeth Conference—what is the pinnacle of ecclesial connection, communion, and tradition for the Anglican Communion and what is considered to be the prize jewel of a bishop’s tenure as diocesan—will be finished, its once-a-decade appearance over, in a few short hours.

Let us recall that back in 2004 and 2005, all the way through into 2008, it was stated by many conservatives that this meeting would be the watershed meeting.  After every failure of action at every meeting—[or after every success at a meeting, then later wholesale repudiation]—we were all of us pointed towards that mountaintop of the Anglican Communion—the Lambeth Conference, a great gathering of all the bishops of all the provinces of the Communion, where every race and tongue and culture both would be represented and would represent the author of our salvation, Jesus Christ, within the Anglican tradition.

For that reason, there was immense pressure put on laypeople, clergy, and bishops alike to look towards Lambeth.  If we could only get to Lambeth, people said, all would be well.  And so . . . for the same reasons, great was the outcry when some bishops stated, prior to Lambeth, “enough—we know the game now, and it is enough.”  They would not come to Lambeth.

Those who attempted to convince them to come to Lambeth stated that this would be their final chance to work on the Covenant.  I pointed out, along with others, that that was not the case; the Covenant process would drone on for many years, and even if not there would be plenteous opportunities to comment on the Covenant at other touchpoints down through the year remaining after the Lambeth Meeting.  After all, there would be further drafts.

Those who attempted to convince bishops to come to Lambeth also stated that this—this meeting—would be the opportunity to deal with the existing schism and division, as well as the heretical actions of TEC.  They stated that, though the Covenant dealt with future possible divisions, the Windsor Process was still chugging along, to deal with the current schismatic actions of TEC, and that these would be dealt with decisively at the Lambeth Conference.

It was very clear on all sides amongst conservatives and I think moderate conservatives, that if the Lambeth Conference did not deal decisively and with clarity with the current divisions and the runaway heresies of two of its Provinces, the consequences would be catastrophic.

We are now nearing the end of what has been the occasion of this historic, steeped-in-tradition meeting, set in the birthplace of the Anglican expression of the gospel.

So what are we left with regarding the once-a-decade Lambeth Conference—that pinnacle of ecclesial communion that represents all of the ancient traditions, history, reason, and scripture that best represents the Anglican vision of the gospel?

It has been, to my mind, like a summer camp of 650 young children led by kind but strict camp monitors.  The children have had cabin-time, fingerpainting sessions, field trips to interesting sites, sharing time, evening campfires, training classes in horseback riding and canoeing, and of course, arts and crafts.  They have also received lessons in manners and listening without interrupting or rude noises.  At the end of each day, tired and happy—or increasingly grumpy—the children fall into their beds to sleep a weary but active sleep, and the next day to rise again for another round of cleaning the cabins, horseback riding, arts and crafts, tribe sharing meetings, and of course—work on their common, camp-wide “Reflections document” which all of the parents back home are eagerly awaiting.

General Perspectives on the Reflections Document

Ah yes . . .  . The Reflections Document.

Let’s use another metaphor to think through that primary communication from the Lambeth Conference.

That is like a corporate visioning document.

The vice presidents and ceo and directors sit around a long table, preferably with snacks and drinks, and they put up on the white board—their brainstorming board—their “mission, vision, and values.”  At the end of that brainstorming session they present the rather lengthy wish list to their employees and state “here is our mission, vision, and values statement—work with these, as you serve our customers.”

Carrying the metaphor slightly backward, imagine if Greg, Jackie, David, Matt, and I hold a “dreams for StandFirm” session that will include all of our goals for StandFirm’s development.  I point out that there are not enough audio irecords to go around, and that we need further technological improvements which I eagerly list.  Matt points out that every place we stay needs a coffee pot with good coffee—and Greg ups the ante and states that in actuality we need a good decent wet bar.  I then remind the group that I am a teetotaler and that we need in fact to affirm my own philosophy of teetotalism as well.  We add all of that to our Reflections document.  Matt states that he needs to have a gym—and I point out that I have missed important tennis tournaments and that we need subscriptions in all of our rooms to allow for tennis viewing.  David mentions the need—the desperate need—for transcribing all audio texts quickly and that sounds like a good idea as well.  Jackie mentions our need for professionalism—she suggests a clothing allowance.  Matt points out that in fact austerity and poverty are more a value of StandFirm—clearly—and that we need to live into an ethos of ascetism rather than stylishness.  Greg agrees with Matt, except where ascetism might mean limited excellent-food supplies.  It is important that all of the laborers, he says, receive excellent food, and here he quotes something from scripture about cows trampling grain and receiving nosebags of fine grain, and laborers and hire.  We all of us—except for Matt—nod earnestly.  We compromise on the matter of ascetism and poverty—Matt will live austerely, while Jackie, Greg, Sarah, and David all select the stylish track—we’ve called those things the A-track and the S-track.  This “reflecting” goes on for several days.

Imagine, if you will, the release of this document to you, our readers.  This, then, is the vision of StandFirm.  We have all listened, and been heard.  We have all been open.  We have all five of us expressed our feelings and our deepest dreams.

And we have compiled it all for you, so that you may have clarity about the mind of the StandFirm bloggers.  This document about teetotalling, wet-bars, ascetism and poverty, as well as the importance of style and material goods, sprinkled with goodly points about technology, is the Reflections Document of the StandFirm blog and we ask our readers to get behind this document and send in your shekels right away.

And imagine the release of the Lambeth Conference’s Reflections Document to our brothers and sisters in the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.  For that matter, imagine our friends the Baptists and Presbyterians eagerly opening its rather extensive pages.

They open it—and they read some of the most vacuous, vague, misty-eyed, inherently-contradictory twaddle that I believe that I have ever had the privilege of skimming.  Words fail me to describe the void, the barreness, the inanity, the complete absence of matter that exists, boundaried by the edges of that white space and black ink.

Please note this.  I’m not complaining about—[no, ashamed of, rather is the correct phrase]—full-blown heresy.  A good vigorous blazingly heretical document is unfortunate, but not deeply humiliating.  It is sinful and may be the cause of some sackcloth and ashes and lifelong confessions and standing in the snow barefoot outside of the gates, plus further dramas—but not for simply putting a bag over one’s head, slipping a blank cloth cover over my copy of the prayer book, and shuffling off towards the airport to fly back home.

No, it’s the sheer poor writing, miserable use of language, and lack of specificity that would cause both my old writing teachers, and history/theology/philosophy/literature teachers to blanch with horror and fall back upon their couches calling for the salts and the ammonia and the loosened stays.

That’s a mild reaction.  Were I to turn in such a document in any class, ever, in any school of higher learning ever, and furthermore even to my parents during my fifth grade homeschooling, the reaction would be FAILURE written across the document, and a serious discussion about my future would then ensue with the authorities of whatever school I was attending.

There is no level of writing, thinking, articulation, theology, or communication of any sort where this document would be considered acceptable.

None.  It soars into levels of blankness beyond which I cannot imagine.  It is out of my sight or reach of human construct or language.  As with Dante’s vision of heaven and the Triune God in The Divine Comedy—only reversed—we cannot imagine the depths to which this document sinks.  We gaze after it, as it falls ever downward, and it disappears into the white ether before we can guage the depth.

Furthemore, it stands as an iconographic symbol of the incoherence, chaos, and poor, muddled, grasping ineffectualness of “the Anglican Communion”.

It is, friends, the icon of the Anglican Communion as it stands here and now.

Analysis of the Positives & Negatives from the Lambeth Conference

So we have this summer camp that was the Lambeth Conference, whose principle strategy was the Delphi Technique of preventing anyone from knowing what exactly as a whole the bishops believe or express, with bishops herded and managed into teensy separated-out groups of listening and marking forms with magic markers and smiley faces, and with scribes to manage the expression of beliefs, whose summit, or cavern, is the Reflections Document neatly configured not to let anyone know exactly what in fact the mind of the bishops was, in the midst of which three weeks pranced a horde of insistent revisionist activists beating drums and striving to be multi-cultural and holding demonstrations, coupled with their TEC bishops, who periodically claimed that we didn’t do same-sex blessings and periodically stated that we did ‘em all the time and have for years, who periodically proudly proclaimed their conservatism, to the tittering of listeners, while denouncing conservatism, and who periodically trumpted their open, inclusive philosophy while pointing out that black bishops were beating their wives.  On the fringe of the event, indulging in photo-ops and self-absorbed musings, was the Man Who Would Be Noticed, as well as the Poster African Man of the Gay Cause, which poster-man was probably a very very big mistake, but-it’s-too-late-now.

All of the above is merely the stage-setting.  After all, if you’ve been reading the StandFirm blog for the past five years, and observing Very Important Anglican Meetings, you already knew what to expect—and five StandFirm bloggers were faithful to point out what was to come in case anyone missed it.  Although I had not expected quite the level of both summer campness and blankness at the Lambeth Conference, I am unsurprised at the outcomes.

Let us suppose, though, that the Reflections Document—the thinking of the 650 attendees at Summer Camp and Indabas—is a mere bagatelle, a trivial nothing that will not really be attended to or hold much import.  It is possible, I suppose, that that is so.  It is possible that the Reflections document will be consigned into the rubbish heap of our practice or thinking—[though not, it must be emphasized, of church history, for I can promise you that it will be prominently displayed in histories forever, down through the centuries, as representative of the communication from the first Lambeth Conference of the 21st century, much to the discomfiture of Anglicans.]

There were some political victories for conservatives at the Lambeth Conference, certainly—but they did not come from the Reflections Document, but rather from The Interpreter of the Reflections Document.

Most of the things that Rowan Williams apparently came into the Conference wanting are good things. 

How do we know what he came into the conference wanting?

Why—he stated them in his closing plenary and then fleshed them out further in the final press conference [note that in the below list I have bolded those mentioned in both the Plenary and the Press Conference].  He wanted:

—“moratoria regarding certain new policies and practices” [and he clearly defined in his press conference the differences between his definition of same sex blessings and the TEC progressive definition]
—“a Pastoral Forum to support minorities” [and the wording of whether the Pastoral Forum had to receive permission from the Provinces in order to act was completely changed and weakened between the Fourth Draft and the final document]
—examining “how the Instruments of Communion will best work”
—“a Covenant
—“a Primates’ Meeting as early as possible in 2009
—“a clear and detailed specification for the task and composition of a Pastoral Forum” “within the next two months”
shaping “the implementation of the agenda” with “the perspectives” of the Covenant Design group, the Windsor Continuation Group, and the Lambeth Conference Design Group
—inviting “those absent from Lambeth to be involved in these next stages”
“building bridges” with GAFCON

For almost three weeks of retreat, indabaing, listening, Reflections drafting, and “we’re-not-voting” assertions, bishops were convinced that nothing all that important would be decided upon, as the process did not allow for that.  But . . . on the final day of the entire Conference, in his concluding address and final press conference, the Archbishop of Canterbury asserted what the “consensus” of the bishops was, even though there were no votes and no way to actually know precisely the mind of the bishops! This point was made very clearly by one of the media at the final press conference when he asked how one could tell what the difference was between the Reflections document and “the agenda outlined in the Reflections document.” And of course, one cannot tell—the Archbishop of Canterbury has to tell us that. 

So we have a “Reflections Document” that is to have no authority—but an Archbishop of Canterbury that tells us what the agenda of the Reflections Document is, only without any votes from the assembled bishops. 

One cannot help but think that there wasn’t much point to the format or process of the Lambeth Conference if Rowan Williams is simply going to state what he would like to have happen at the end of the Conference.  I like the things he said was the agenda, no question.  But there’s very little way for us to tell without his telling us.  The Lambeth Conference, in other words and to make it clear, need never have happened at all for the Archbishop of Canterbury—the only instrument of Communion that has power—to do with those recommendations of the Windsor Continuation Group whatever he decides to do.

There is no way that the progressive activist bishops of The Episcopal Church cannot feel outraged and betrayed over the bald statements of consensus that the ABC articulated in both his final plenary or press conference.

So we are left precisely where we were after the Dar es Salaam communique.  Only . . . it is more than a year later, and we are still dependent on the only instrument of the Communion that has any power actually taking actions and making decisions.  That has not led to good results in the past.

We are left also with a clear rhetorical defeat for the progressives of TEC—but a clear non-action “victory” for them as well. 

So let me state then that I do not think that we can overestimate what this conference will do—the consequences of its nonactions thus far—on the Anglican Communion as a whole.  Many many individuals who have been holding on for this final chance—this historic once-a-decade meeting of the Anglican Communion—will leave the church, in many provinces, not just TEC and Canada, most of them probably leaving Anglicanism entirely.  There will be now much much more division within the borders of the Anglican Communion.  The division and chaos within TEC and Canada will increase and the sounds of strife and the clanging of arms will now greatly escalate.  I expect that most conservative bishops flying home to their dioceses in whatever provinces recognize that, and most moderate TEC bishops who may be thinking “well we scraped through that okay, I suppose” will be enlightened as to reality throughout the coming months and years, as individuals and parishes both leave TEC or become engaged in the battle within TEC.

Though I was prepared for this, having closely watched and in some cases attended Anglican meetings, I don’t think for any gospel-believing Anglican the extent of what is the devastating shambles that is this Lambeth Conference has sunk in to our minds and hearts.  Although I and most informed others were prepared for this—not the details but the general end result—it is still very sad and disturbing.

Here I need to point out that there will be intense efforts to rehabilitate and promote what has happened at this Lambeth Conference as “a great success” or “the best that could be conceivably hoped for.”

The “best that could conceivably be hoped for” will be stated—now that the Conference is over—as “at least I got them to all talk to each other”.  And that, friends, will be the measure of success of this Conference, given how it has ended.

Watch for breathless articles in the press—particularly of course, the UK press, which needs to have the hero be successful in his quest in order to adhere to their story line—about Rowan Happy Among His Books and Family, and How Rowan Gained Peace and Serenity in Triumphing Over the Forces of Schism and Non-Listening, and Why People Talking To Each Other Has Saved The Communion.

That will last just long enough for the inhibitions, departures, depositions, lawsuits, and “incursions” to start up again—perhaps a week or two at the outside—before they’ll be on to new stories.  But for now, you’ll just have to endure the breathless stories of Triumph, Unity, Conversations, Risks-Taken-And-Paying-Off, and New Relationships—because that’s all there is.

The only thing that will allow this Lambeth Conference to have been any sort of success is if there is action, not words.  Otherwise, it falls into the category of a really ineffectual and really bad, expensive meeting—I believe that it was one Primate who predicted that it would be an “expensive Episcopal jamboree.”  That Primate—often mentioned with disfavor by moderates and ComCons—will be proven incorrect only if there is action, which as of yet, has not occurred.

Leaving aside the startling level of dismalness of the Lambeth Conference as well as the interesting turn that the Archbishop of Canterbury gave to “the agenda” of the Reflections Document let us turn to what the consequences of the Lambeth Conferenceas it stands now—are for the various groups within the Anglican Communion.

Consequences for the Ideological Revisionist Activists

What does the 2008 Lambeth Conference mean for the various players within the Communion?

I believe that the Lambeth Conference will indeed stand as a watershed event.  Much will come of what has happened on this university campus over the past three weeks.

First, I believe that the idealistic revisionists will leave angry, and will leave unfettered. 

In the Archbishop of Canterbury’s final address he once again demonstrates just how radically he underestimates the will to power and the anger of the progressive activists when he says this: “Such interventions often imply that nothing within a province, no provision made or pastoral care offered, can be recognizably and adequately Christian; and this is a claim not lightly to be made by any Christian community regarding any other without grave breach of charity.”

Yes, Archbishop Williams, it is certainly a claim not lightly made that no provision made or pastoral care offered by TEC has been recognizably or adequately Christian.  But sometimes, one must face reality.  With that failure of recognition on the Communion’s part, Archbishop Williams next opines in his final address that “internal pastoral and liturgical care, strengthened by arrangements like the suggested Communion Partners initiative in the USA and the proposed Pastoral Forum” is “the way we should go if we want to avoid further ecclesial confusion.”

Good luck with that.  He seriously underestimates just how angry the TEC leaders are, and just how much more “ecclesial confusion” there is to come, since no action came from the Lambeth Conference, as of yet.

Why do I think that the progressive activists are even angrier now than when they arrived at the Lambeth Conference?

From the outside looking in, I can’t help but note that they have spent an enormous amount of money in order to lobby the bishops of the Anglican Communion, and have been pretty strikingly dissed both by the bishops as a whole, and by Rowan Williams in his final plenary and final press conference. 

From here on the ground, I believe that those opposed to blessing and proclaiming holy same-gender sexual relations leave solidified in their stance of opposition.  They leave nodding their heads and saying “yep—the Bible says it, and judging by what we saw, we can certainly see why.”  Of those truly moderate bishops who came with their minds not made up—I’d theorize that they shifted slightly, only not in the direction that the progressive lobby would hope.  And those institutional revisionists end up supporting the revisionist gospel as always, of course, but somewhat embarrassed by the spectacle. 

So keep this in mind.  One-third of the most conservative bishops did not show up.  TEC itself fielded one-quarter of the bishops at the Lambeth Conference.  And still the progressive activist wing of TEC made no progress in their lobbying results with the remaining bishops.  In fact, I think their end-result was a net-loss in regards to changing people’s minds.  They changed some of them—but in the wrong direction.

Understand that the progressive lobby won’t spin it that way, of course.  But dissed their gospel was, and I’m confident that they know it.

On the other hand, they leave unfettered.  It’s home game in TEC—and they own the umpires, the field crew, the stands, the concessions, and more.  Angry and unfettered—wild and free as we might say—is going to make for a very very interesting TEC, and General Convention 2009.  The end result of the Lambeth Conference is that it leaves the revisionists with zero consequences as of yet from the international communion.  And with ten years before another Lambeth Conference.

Consequences for the Institutional Revisionists

What about the institutional revisionists—the ones who wished so desperately that the idealistic revisionists would be a little quieter and a little more tasteful—the ones that sometimes lie awake in their beds of an early morning thinking that it might have been “the wrong time” to consecrate a non-celibate gay bishop because it woke up so so so many more than they had ever dreamed.

My sense is that some of them at least go home chastened, and some go home angry.  The chastened ones have survived Lambeth, but they do have a sense that this isn’t going to go away, and that a little more schmoozing and time will not make it so.  You’ll hear, in their diocesan letters, plenty of burbling about “frank open conversations” and “deeper connections” which “will take time” but at the same time “we’ve built new relationships.”  But I also think that those same people, where once they had thought that same-sex blessings might be a great idea, will now take a step back from that stance.  Think here of some of the newer bishops of revisionist diocese—I could list a good ten or so in this group.

Some other institutional revisionists who leave angry at how much TEC was blamed for the Anglican Communion’s problems will feel freer—no need to think of Lambeth or consequences again—and will head further to the left, towards the idealistic revisionist camp.

To survey the field from afar and above, you’ll see 1) more same sex blessings in more dioceses, 2) some dioceses stepping back from that precipice in a very gingerly and quiet manner, 3) a greater divide between the institutional revisionists and the idealistic revisionists, and 4) all of this playing out at General Convention 2009.

The Consequences for Conservative Anglican Bishops

There’s another group that will be greatly blessed by the striking, er . . . clarity of non-action that came from the Lambeth Conference thus far.  When any organization’s discipline fails so dramatically, new organizations and groupings and networks and connections will occur.

My sense is that the conservative bishops on all sides who have been through this Lambeth Conference have been greatly united in misery.  I have seen them working together, communicating together, and growing closer together.  I see them collaborating more with one another then before—and I see that fantastic connections have been made with hitherto unnoticed bishops from various provinces.  Think back through the last three weeks and some unlikely heroes have arisen on our side.  We have the bishops of the Sudan.  We have the Primate of Hong Kong.  We have [though this was perhaps not unlikely or unforseen] the Primate of the Middle East and Jerusalem.  We have the Primates of the churches in India and Pakistan.  Most of those were quite surprising to me.  We also have plenty of bishops speaking out and telling the truth, both in TEC and out of TEC—Iker, Howe, Love, Lawrence, Miller, Ellena.  How many of those bishops would you have guessed prior to the start of Lambeth?  For that matter, what percentage of these had you actually read even one thing from or about?

I believe that all of this new-found unity—if it holds—can help both the GAFCON group and internal TEC groups.  It appears to me that if GAFCON proceeds calmly, wisely, and methodically—something that it is not always known for—and with more unity among other GS Primates, that it will gather more Primates who have endured the bizarre summer camp of Lambeth.  I don’t think such a shift will be immediate—but I think it will be slow and sure, again if GAFCON does not act imprudently or arrogantly.

Oddly enough I don’t think the effects of this meeting will result in a rush towards Common Cause/GAFCON by those internal to TEC. But I’m not certain that really matters.  The alliances that were formed are what is important—not necessarily who is where.  I believe that both sides are more aware of each other’s intentions and tactics.  They may not agree with all of those goals or tactics, but the common vision and mission is a unifying force.

The Consequences for Conservative Episcopalians

This brings me to the group that is near and dear to my heart—we band of brothers within The Episcopal Church who are committed to standing within this place and, for varying reasons of theology, ecclesiology, caution and concern, or pragmatic needs with families, have not chosen to join an alternate Anglican entity.

What is our duty, what is our plan, and what are our challenges?

First, let me mention an example from my own life as a launching off point for thinking about where we are.

Back in my late 20s I went to a month-long primitive survival school out in the desert of Southern Utah.  One of the aspects of that time were various phases of the quest for survival, including an unstated period in which one went without food of any sort, had very very little water, and walked late into the night in order to get somewhere, where we knew not.  Drinking water from a much mired very small hole in the ground was good practice for that experience, along with sleeping on a rock with very little clothing and no blanket, and awakening with a white frost on the ground.  On the third day, as we continued the march, one young man was sick much of the time as he walked, and others were groaning.  The only reason why I was not doing either was I suspect because I was bent on calling out to the young man to keep going.  “You can do it” I kept saying—“we’ll get there” and “you’re doing great.”

This is not my normal posture—I’m not usually considered a cheerleader.  But the rule of that school was that if you quit—you walked out of the desert on your own.  They would point you in the right direction, and you would walk out to the highway and pick up a ride.  It was, in fact, quite vital for him that he continue on through this phase, that he make it.

That afternoon on the third day we stopped in the glaring heat of the desert and gathered in a circle.  The primary leader sat there, and some of the rest of the teachers or guides slowly passed around to each of us one half of a banana and a small cup of gatorade.  They cautioned us not to drink or eat too fast because of the heat and the fast.  They then solemnly announced to the wretched groaning crew that that phase had ended.

It was over.

The effect of the formal pronouncement of that phase being over was almost instantaneous.  Those who had declared that they were on their last legs, and not going to survive, bounced around, laughed, high-fived, and generally scampered about the desert.  The simple pronouncement of the end of that phase, and the formal ritual of food and drink, lifted everyone’s hearts.

It was then rightly pointed out, after a few minutes, that in fact our feelings that we could not go on and that we were going to die in the desert or become seriously ill were false.

We had not been going to die, or collapse, or become ill.  We certainly could go another step, as we then proved, and the whole notion that things were absolutely extravagantly and inhumanely bad was in fact wrong.  Our minds had been deceiving ourselves, and the truth of that had been proven by our near instantaneous revival, excitement, relief, and energy once it was announced that the recent bad patch had been merely a bad patch.

That moment, for me, was a life lesson, and one which I have not forgotten throughout many personal, vocational, and yes, ecclesial struggles.  Things are really bad, I learned, when if it is announced that the recent horrible phase is over and that a lovely new phase filled with a minimal count of calories and sufficient water has arrived, all you do is lie there and stare vacantly at the blank wall.

That’s the example of real hopelessness and despair—and anybody that has lived life at all knows that there are in fact people who, when the horror ends, lie there and stare vacantly at the blank wall.  At that point, the pastoral EMS needs to be called out and friends need to spring into action because the situation is dire.

But things are not actually so so so terribly bad if, when after it is announced that a bad patch is now over, people leap about and start chattering and laughing and high-fiving, anticipating the future and planning for a party.

Though it sounds cold and cruel of me—and though I certainly feel tired and bad [in more ways than one]—I will put it to you that, were an announcement to come out of something lovely that signalled the end of this “very bad patch” within the Anglican Communion we would all be amazingly revived and shockingly sprightly.

Understand that I don’t believe that will happen—I believe that this bad patch will go on for a while, and that we are fortunate to live in an amazing time of conflict, adventure, friendships gained and alliances formed, learning, action, and training for future service in other venues.

But acknowledging how quickly a tide or wind can turn is good for the soul and an exercise that we need to frequently observe in the midst of the Anglican Wars.

Principles for the Next Phase for Episcopal Conservatives

With that being said, what can an Anglican within TEC who has no place to go—he or she has examined and rejected the Baptists, various other mainline churches, various splinters from mainline churches, Rome, Orthodoxy, and the alternate Anglican entities—actually accomplish as an Anglican within TEC, now that the historic, once-every-decade Lambeth Conference has come and gone?

I have several principles to articulate, and then some concrete actions to recommend.  My hope is that these thoughts will help me to focus, and also help those not only in TEC but also in other troubled provinces in the West—Ireland, Wales, and Scotland, for instance—to think through how they must move through the Post-Lambeth Anglican world.

First, we must recognize that the efforts to restrain the runaway stagecoach in which we reside—our province called TEC—on an international or national level have failed thus far, and look likely to fail further.

That does not leave out the possibility of help from elsewhere, but such help is quite unpredictable and essentially un-plannable.

That also does not mean that all people should ignore all international and national structures—but certainly our focus should not be there.

Second, what that means is that the more the Anglican Communion fractures and divides—the more the distances increase amongst the various warring factions holding different gospels—the more emphasis and focus will rightly accrue to the local, the congregational, and the regional.

It means that parishes and dioceses—or groups of laypeople and regional gatherings—become the area of focus and work.

A part of this natural focus is because we can simply effect change and renewal and reform in those places.  Our efforts can yield results in many dioceses and parishes, either for strengthening the communication of the gospel in traditional places, reforming the communication of the gospel in weak places, or heightening the contrast of the two gospels—what Kendall Harmon calls differentiation—in corrupt, heretical places.

But no matter the context—strong, weak, or corrupt parishes or dioceses—the local, congregational focus and emphasis perforce is heightened greatly in the chaos and division that is to come.

Think of it a little like the ebb and flow of the small kingdoms in mediaeval Europe.  As kingdoms fell or divided or shattered or formed new alliances, the focus on one’s own castle and town—the strengthening of the walls, the widening of the moat, the setting up of emergency signalling mechanisms, the oiling of the portcullises, the building of one’s army, the laying in of supplies—grows.

Think of your parish, or your diocese, or your networking group as a small castle in a world of chaos.  And do what you can to build it and strengthen it, or to differentiate it from the worthy opponents surrounding you.

It is from that base of strength that new initiatives may spring.  As a friend of mine shared with me, we must do the small things well while we wait for the larger events and the turns of tide and wind.

The third principle that I am working with is that there will be little further change on the international front and little prospect for pulling back together the various shards of the Communion while Rowan Williams still occupies the see of Canterbury.  Please note carefully that I’m not blaming him for this conference or for other failures of the Communion as a whole—I don’t really believe that the blame lies on merely one person.

Nor do I necessarily know that a new occupant of the see of Canterbury would be able to pull the shards back together again.

Nor do I believe that the see of Canterbury is “irrelevant” or “unimportant.”

I merely say, as a statement of belief, that while Rowan Williams is the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Communion will essentially be in a “holding pattern” of increasing fragmentation and distancing among various groups.  The trust that has been lost and continues to be lost prevents renewed closeness and connection as a whole within the Anglican Communion.  It is sad, and I don’t like it.  But it is what it is, and we need to understand and accept that as reality and work within that reality, or move on and join another denomination.  That applies, actually, to those Primates and bishops of the Anglican Communion as well who are associated with GAFCON.

The fact is that no action has occurred that will cause the Anglican Communion to step back from the brink of fragmentation.  There have been words—but no action as of yet—and I see nothing that causes me to believe that this time Rowan Williams will do the hard things necessary to call the Anglican Communion back.

The thing to do is to make the best of how things are now and work within how things are now, doing the small things well within our parishes and dioceses, while waiting for a turn of the tide and winds on the international front, if that turn is to come.  If that turn never comes, then the Anglican Communion will continue to whirl apart—the center not only did not hold but it will continue not to hold.  And thus, the Anglican Communion will continue to further fragment until all but the bare bones of the structure remain.

Of course, if that is to happen, we certainly will not have been hindered or damaged by doing the small things with great love and attentiveness.  It will simply be done while in the midst of living out the consequences of the lack of discipline within the Anglican Communion.

Kendall Harmon uses the metaphor of judgement to talk about a very similar theme.  No matter what, he has stated, Anglicans who are Anglicans will either go to Babylon or stay in Jerusalem—and neither place is all that pleasant, and comfortable.  But in both places, Anglicans must do their duty—they must do seemingly mundane things like build their families, bless the place they are in, and plant olive trees, even in the midst of judgement.

Of the Old Testament books I have preferred the book of Nehemiah.  One enters the rubble of the landscape, surrounded by enemies and angry fellow citizens and very loud naysayers, and one sets about to rebuilding walls of the pulverized city with a sword in one hand and a trowel in another.

Fourth, allies and friendships are important, and growing more so.

One of the things that so many conservatives at this conference mentioned was how fantastic it was to meet fellow conservatives in so many provinces.  The Communion is a conservative place—and the bishops that I met mopped up on fellow conservative relationships and new alliances.  We’ve all gotten good at networking—and I got better these last two weeks.  The people that I met I hope to remain in contact with—and I’m betting that for all of us those new alliances will bring great fruit and encouragement.  As the Communion continues to fragment, the divisions broaden, and positions harden, networks and alliances will continue to expand.  That’s what happens in a chaotic, unstable structure—and the Communion is very chaotic, very unstable now.

Think again of the small castle in the midst of mediaeval Europe, in a sea of shifting powers and wars and political stratagems.  As important as building up the strength of the castle and army is, it is just as important to build alliances in such a chaotic and unstable environment.  The Anglican Communion is currently inherently unstable and often destructive.  Don’t underestimate the power of companionship and friendship and alliance.

A Few Suggested Actions for Those Remaining in TEC

1) Every diocese in TEC should have a formal organizational structure of traditional laypeople.  Much of that work has been done in an estimated 50 or so dioceses.  But it’s frightening that this has not happened in every single diocese.  It doesn’t matter if you are in a traditional, moderate, or revisionist diocese, such a group is of paramount importance if you are to remain within TEC.  In a traditional diocese, you need such a group to strengthen your dioceses’ borders and maintain what you already have—for it can be taken from you in an instant.  In a moderate diocese, you need such a group to reform or renew your diocese.  And in a revisionist diocese you need such a group to challenge the ruling voice in the diocese, as well as strikingly and publicly dissent and differentiate yourself from the dioceses’ official gospel.  I will be opening a thread later about this subject.

2) Work to strengthen parishes first, including your own.  I like to look at three areas of a parish: its leadership [vestry, delegates, clergy, etc.], the level of information that the laity have pursued and acquired about the challenges confronting TEC and the Anglican Communion, and the spiritual formation and strength of the parish.  Often, a parish may be strong in one or two areas and weak in another.  Sometimes a parish may be weak in all three areas.  If you are in one of those parishes that is strong in all three areas, be grateful—then think about how you might further strengthen its walls, as well as how you might export what you’ve done to other parishes in your diocese, through information companionship relationships.

Often, a conservative parish is [surprisingly] weak in the latter area.  It is often strong in leadership, strong in informed parishioners [at least comparatively speaking], but weak in spiritual formation and discipling.  Rector after rector around the states has mentioned that to me.  It is easier for them to inform their parishioners, and to cultivate strong leadership—much more difficult to do the deep spade work that leads to spiritually formed parishioners who are solid even after rectors come and go.  Laypeople need to be helping in this effort—and sometimes have to do so without the help of their clergy!  So if you’re involved in that kind of parish, be thankful for what you have.  After all, you could be in a parish that has no good lay leadership, no informed parishioners, and is spiritually enervated and demoralized.  But you will need to work as a leader [and if you are reading this blog as a conservative Episcopal layperson, then you are already a leader], carefully analyse your fellow laypeople as a whole, and become quite imaginative and creative about how you can help the parish to grow spiritually.

I’m creating an open thread for ideas on actions that laypeople can take to help renew the spiritual formation of their parishes.  Hosts of ideas come to mind, depending on the areas of greatest weakness and need.  Parishes may want to look at Alpha or Faith Alive, work on spiritual disciplines, Bible studies, even apologetics [Ravi Zacharias springs to mind!], or work on the development of and ethos of witness and evangelism parish-wide.  I’m hopeful too that Matt can offer a short series on suggestions for spiritual renewal of parishes, since it appears to me that he is an expert on this subject.

3) Consider this time of challenge within an unknown future within a hostile national entity a time of immense spiritual discipline—and cultivate the Christian spiritual disciplines, since this is what we’ll need to emphasize over the coming months and years.  This is a long, difficult battle.  While it’s true that Anglicans could leave TEC and join a non-Anglican church—you would still be at heart an Anglican-in-a-strange-land.  While it’s true that Anglicans can leave TEC and join an alternate Anglican entity, you will still be in a very uncertain future, with new struggles, and with some very serious challenges.  As I noted from Kendall above, you’ll either be in Babylon or in Jerusalem, and either way it’s judgement and cannot be escaped.

Since that is the case, the “planting of olive trees” also applies to your own spiritual growth and character development.  This is a hard time—and you may as well grow if you have to live through it.  You may not be successful at anything you try within the Anglican world, but God assures us that through His Holy Spirit working in us towards sanctification, we will be successful in slowly growing in strength, and grace, and truth.

In a little while, I’ll be getting up from this computer—it is now Tuesday afternoon—and I’ll be taking my dog and my Bible out to the woods for a while.  I need to thank God for what He has brought me through in the past two weeks, and indeed the past five years.  I need to carefully seek wise discernment as to my path forward.  I need to rest and find refreshment and seek God’s face. 

We are in a new phase, and we need to prepare spiritually for that new phase.  With that in mind, I also hope to spend some time on a retreat, and seek out my spiritual director.

All of those things are possible actions that each of us may take as we work through the passing of the Lambeth Conference and our entrance into a new phase of struggle and conflict.

4) Go hang out with your friends.  Throughout my flight home I kept thinking of my friends and allies back at home—in my parish, in my diocese, and elsewhere.  Friends are sharpening, and comforting.  They help you process events and news, and offer advice, and keep you stable.  The more you work with your friends, the more you and they grow.

So I hope to set aside time to get together with my friends—to plan and work together, to encourage one another, to even watch movies together and eat together.  That is a source of great renewal and encouragement.

It’s been odd too.  Not all allies become friends.  But there is strength and honor in alliances—and when allies become more than simply working partners, it is all the sweeter.  That is why I am so grateful for God putting me in the way of the StandFirm bloggers, Greg, Matt, Jackie, and David.  It was miraculous that we found one another and beyond finding one another, have so much that both differentiates us and brings us together.  It’s truly miraculous that after now years of laboring, arguing, planning, failing, triumphing, scraping up funds, writing, and skyping, we know and like one another more than when we started all of this.

My hope is that God will bring you to such allies and friends wherever you may be.


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Thank you for this and your most excellent reports from the scene.  But Sarah, are you really a teetotaler and an Episcopalian?  Whats up with that?  Anyway, as is your custom, you have given us all much to think about.  Again thanks.

Rob

[1] Posted by Old Soldier on 08-05-2008 at 02:44 PM • top

Sarah - will look forward to the open thread on shoring up parishes.  Have done a “basic Bible outline” here over the summer, giving the folks some reference points to navigate the whole Bible and interperative tools to free them from all the “Bible is unreliable” propaganda them get from TEC and MSM.  Is it working?  Well, our little church had over 100 folks (higher than last years ASA) on August 3rd .  Starving people respond, even to a banana half and sip of Gatorade.

[2] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 08-05-2008 at 02:55 PM • top

Sarah - I take offense at the following:

With that being said, what can an Anglican within TEC who has no place to go—he or she has examined and rejected the Baptists, various other mainline churches, various splinters from mainline churches, Rome, Orthodoxy, and the alternate Anglican entities…

We have plenty of places to go, and above all of the denominations, the Baptists have been most gracious in reaching out to some of us in unexpected ways. My family and I will most likely find refuge there for a while as the Communion goes through some pruning. Leaving for refuge IS AN OPTION.

[3] Posted by Festivus on 08-05-2008 at 03:00 PM • top

A beautiful piece in every way.  Hopefully the clergy will hear on this or another thread how we can best help the church to persevere in three or four different kinds of diocese.

Rudy+

[4] Posted by Rudy on 08-05-2008 at 03:08 PM • top

Festivus,

My comment about Anglicans with “no place to go” was about those Anglicans in TEC who have carefully examined their options and for varying reasons have already rejected those options.  So you are unable to “take offense” for yourself—as you have yourself examined those options and determined that you *are* able to enter one of those places.

I am, however, in the former camp.  I have carefully examined my options and determined that for reasons of “theology, ecclesiology, caution and concern, or pragmatic needs with families” I will not enter one of those options.

What then are those in my camp to do?  I have attempted to answer that question for those in my camp in the latter end of this article—but you, thankfully, are not in that camp and thus have no need for those actions.

[5] Posted by Sarah on 08-05-2008 at 03:09 PM • top

It is easier for them to inform their parishioners, and to cultivate strong leadership—much more difficult to do the deep spade work that leads to spiritually formed parishioners who are solid even after rectors come and go.

We are working on this - we are very weak all around, but we have had a Bible study going for over a year now, possibly two. I highly recommend organizing one if your church doesn’t have it. The little group that comes to Bible study every week is the real backbone of our church. I also highly recommend not simply teaching yourself. There are good DVD lectures out there (and if anyone knows of a reliable source of these, please pass it on. We have borrowed from an ACN church, found one on our own, but we’re always looking).

[6] Posted by oscewicee on 08-05-2008 at 03:32 PM • top

Beautifully said, Sarah.  If all the conservatives leave TEC, there is no hope.  If the conservatives do stay, pray, be strong disciples, and make other disciples stronger, change can happen.  I mean no disrespect to those who have decided that they cannot stay, but for those who can, they will be a source of hope. I became a
Continuing Anglican simply because a couple moved to our town and founded a parish, which saved me a 32 mile drive to the nearest Epicopal parish. I had always preferred the
Rite I service, so I was immediately attracted to the 1928
BCP. After studying the 1928 BCP, I have become convinced of its importance in maintaining orthodox Anglican belief.
I greatly admire the orthodoxy of the Continuing Anglicans, but do see their problems.
I recently formed a local chapter of a dispersed religious
order; and in our membership we have a mix of both Continuing Anglicans and Episcopalians.  We have perfect unity, and are a great support system for one another. I would strongly suggest anyone who needs spiritual support
to consider joining a dispersed religious order. The act
of taking vows to say the daily prayer offices, combined
with fellowship and support can truly change your
spiritual life. I can personally testify to that. Continuing Anglicans suffer from problems, too.  They are
different problems, but none the less, serious problems.
The main one being the “us four, no more” exclusive and
sinful attitude. For the most part they have no focus
whatsoever on evangelism or bringing souls to Christ. They
need terribly the evangelical spirit of The Revs. John and Charles Wesley, just as TEC needs their orthodoxy.

[7] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-05-2008 at 03:47 PM • top

Sarah,
Why you are doing what you have laid out is completely beyone my understanding.  But many things are.  Sometimes I envision you as Joan of Arc and sometimes I think of you tilting at windmills, but you represent the best of today’s women.  Go get em.

[8] Posted by Elizabeth on 08-05-2008 at 03:49 PM • top

Thanks Sarah for your reflection, thoughts and recommendations.  Above all, thanks for sticking-in-there.
David

[9] Posted by Terwilliger+ on 08-05-2008 at 03:54 PM • top

“They then solemnly announced to the wretched groaning crew that that phase had ended.”

Yes, those of us staying in, for whatever reason, are the “wretched groaning crew”. I wish it were so easy for leadership to pronounce the end. But alas, we know differently. Wisely and well-written, thought provoking stuff, again, Sarah. Thanks for all your insight and hard work. It truly is appreciated. Fred H.

[10] Posted by fh57 on 08-05-2008 at 03:55 PM • top

I’ve got a little list:
SAID - check & double check
DONE - ______

As they say “when it’s all said and done there is usually more said than done.”

But, here is my core take away:  The AoC ain’t one of ‘them’.  He may be the quintessential Communion liberal but its the Communion that gets the capital letter not the liberal.  He’s no Churchill but he’s also no Chamberlain. 

An afterthought: I do detect a slight change of tone or timbre in your posting.  A fundamental shift?  A reflection influenced by several weeks on the sceptered isle?  Influence from discourse and interaction with such fine Anglican leaders?  Or maybe, something that cleared with a good night’s sleep? grin

Peace to all,

[11] Posted by miserable sinner on 08-05-2008 at 04:15 PM • top

Sarah,

I wish you well in your endeavors within TEC.  You obviously have spent much time thinking and praying about what to do.  Nevertheless, I cannot help but be reminded of Tennyson’s “The Charge of the Light Brigade.”  I fought the same battle over a period of years within another mainline denomination and was finally forced to declare defeat and leave.  My congregation had strong lay leadership and very strong spiritual formation.  They were crushed by the clergy and bishop.  Staff and volunteers were fired from their positions for disagreeing with the pastor.  I left many a meeting I chaired with chest pains and headaches feeling like I had just endured spiritual warfare with the pastor.  The gentlemen who succeeded me appeared to be in good health and yet dropped dead of a massive heart attack within six months of taking over my committee chair.  People left the congregation, and when attendance declined, the bishop told the remaining members that another congregation needed the space and would be taking over the church buildings they and their families had paid for.  They were told they could either get with the program or leave.  The bishop and the bureaucracy held all the cards and they had absolutely no qualms about doing whatever it took to remake this congregation into what they wanted.  IMHO, TEC is at least as ruthless as this denomination, so I fear that you and others who remain in TEC will suffer greatly for your stand.  May God sustain you in the dark days ahead.

[12] Posted by Daniel on 08-05-2008 at 05:02 PM • top

Sarah,
Such a remarkably concise and accurate summary of the Reflections smudge-speak.

“They open it—and they read some of the most vacuous, vague, misty-eyed, inherently-contradictory twaddle that I believe that I have ever had the privilege of skimming. Words fail me to describe the void, the barreness, the inanity, the complete absence of matter that exists, boundaried by the edges of that white space and black ink.”

It has confirmed me in my belief that there is very little worth retaining about “Anglican” Christianity, especially in its 21st century manifestation.

[13] Posted by Dan Crawford on 08-05-2008 at 05:24 PM • top

Sarah,
Thanks to you and the StandFirm blogging team for the tremendous amount of work you’ve put in to give us a ringside seat to what’s going on.  It must be a tremendous spiritual drain to watch all this chaos (it is for us as we read the material…can’t imagine being in the belly of the whale itself).

Your article is very thought provoking, and I believe a very good reflection on what lies ahead, and what we do need to be doing.  A time of rest, and then, well, a time to pick up the trowel and the spear, and set to work on the walls.  May God orchestrate that which happens “above us” in the battle, and may we be faithful in the tasks that are immediately before us.

Many thanks to you and the StandFirm team, and it’s an honor to be in the battle with you.

[14] Posted by Charlie Peppler on 08-05-2008 at 05:51 PM • top

I agree there is little in 21st Century manifestation of
Anglicanism worth preserving. But what is imperative that
we preserve is the Anglicanism found in 1549, 1559, 1662,
and 1928 editions of the BCP. The world desperately needs
that classic Anglicanism.  That classic Anglicanism is the
best representation of the primitive, undivided church of
the first century that can be found.  It is that classic
Anglicanism that we must preserve.  The world is in need
of a Saviour.  Classic Anglicanism can give them that
Saviour.

[15] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-05-2008 at 06:19 PM • top

Working on the theme…

Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah
Here I am at Camp Indaba
It has all been quite frustrating
There are so many issues Rowan is evading.

Anyone care to take a stab at verse two?

[16] Posted by Wolverine on 08-05-2008 at 06:48 PM • top

I can’t help but note that they ... have been pretty strikingly dissed both by the bishops as a whole, and by Rowan Williams in his final plenary and final press conference.

If the liberals had any tactical sense they would focus on the prevailing facts, and not the spoken words.  For all his bluster, RW is powerless to act against TEC, and TEC knows it.  There won’t be any moratorium.  The ‘Pastoral Forum’ idea will receive a quick short sharp ‘No.’  The Covenant will be emasculated by the very bureaucrats who stage-managed Lambeth.  RW will be left to cover up TECs intransigence as best he is able, because RW will never allow TEC to be forced into a corner.  He has proven that over the past 18 months, and TEC knows it.  RW might risk losing GAFCON provinces, but he won’t risk losing the Americans.  TEC is therefore in an ideal position.

So I find TECs reaction to the end of Lambeth mildly amusing.  It really don’t seem to appreciate the difficulty RW faces in trying to manage conservative discontent.  Instead TEC seems intent on preventing RW from so much as sounding conservative even though it knows he can never act on his words.  If TEC would just shut up, and make RWs life easier, they could keep on doing what they are doing, and just throw a few fig leafs in RWs direction every once in a while.  It seems however that TEC wants not only to win, but for the powers that be to say they have won.  Like I said.  No tactical sense.  You have to know when to be subtle.

carl

[17] Posted by carl on 08-05-2008 at 06:51 PM • top

Wait a minute.
We’ve stopped shouting.
Bishops talking. No more pouting.
It’s Indaba.  We’re reflecting.
Rowan Williams, kindly keep us self-directing.

carl

[18] Posted by carl on 08-05-2008 at 07:07 PM • top

Carl,
I’ve spent the last hour composing, editing, rewriting….
and in the end, I just have to say:  Hats off to you!  There’s no competing with that stellar verse.
And Wolverine, thanks for starting it off!
Hope someone with a more facile wit than mine will continue the fun.

[19] Posted by heart on 08-05-2008 at 08:34 PM • top

Dear Sarah and Stand Firm team;

Thank you for your hard work of reporting, usually without too much editorializing apart from the headlines. The Stand Firm team – and Kevin Kallsen from Anglican TV - have shown how the younger generation can mobilize the new communications technology to shed light on the subject at hand, while George Conger continues a fine foot soldier of the old media.

I have been waiting for the analysis, and it was not long in coming. Thank you again for an honest, if searing, review of Lambeth 2008. It is going to take quite a few doses of official Episcopal indaba-palaver to neutralize her acidic analysis.

Sarah’s review led me go glance back over my chronicle of Lambeth 1998, especially the third week.

A comparison of Lambeth 1998 with 2008 might be worth the read. Please note that August 5 was the tenth anniversary of the passage of Lambeth 1.10, one of the last coherent and relevant statements of Anglican orthodoxy from the official Communion that we are likely to see for a long while.

This is not my spot to pontificate from afar, so let me just leave several brief observations on Sarah’s analysis.

Firstly, I am surprised that Sarah and other orthodox Anglicans were surprised at the course and outcome of the Conference. Frankly, I was overwhelmingly unsurprised. Saddened, but not surprised. The ABC and Design Team had telegraphed their intentions for over a year and they stayed the course, even with the absence of 200+ bishops and the challenge presented by GAFCON. (One sentence in the ABC’s final Address hardly represents reaching out to GAFCON, but we’ll see.)

Secondly, I agree with Sarah that Rowan Williams has now like Phaeton taken in hand the other three reins of Anglican authority (a.k.a. Instruments of Unity) and is the only charioteer in town. So Lambeth was pretty much a paper parliament, as stunningly revealed in the 37-page Reflections document. What I do not see is why she sees his actions and inactions as unintentional or ineffective. I am reminded of how the colonists right up to 1775 were convinced that it was the Privy Council passing all those nasty taxes and if good King George only knew… At some point, one gives up wondering “what Rowan really thinks” and holds him accountable for the consequences that Sarah so ably describes and predicts.

Finally, I want to commend Sarah for sounding a hopeful note for the GAFCON movement when she says:

I believe that all of this new-found unity [among conservative Anglicans]—if it holds—can help both the GAFCON group and internal TEC groups. It appears to me that if GAFCON proceeds calmly, wisely, and methodically—something that it is not always known for—and with more unity among other GS Primates, that it will gather more Primates who have endured the bizarre summer camp of Lambeth. I don’t think such a shift will be immediate—but I think it will be slow and sure, again if GAFCON does not act imprudently or arrogantly.

I think this alliance among conservative Anglicans is a real possibility, as is the warning to the GAFCON leadership to tread carefully. I will be interested to read Matt’s reflections on this subject, as one who went to both Conferences.

Looking back on my journal, I note the passing reference to the lone incident of Bp. John Rucyahana taking pastoral oversight of a church in Little Rock. That crack in the dike has opened to a flood, and many of the British and American conservatives who worked with the emerging Global South leadership for internal discipline and reform, first within the Episcopal Church and then within the Communion, are now in GAFCON. If you had told me at Lambeth 1998 I would have soon been residing in Uganda, I would have been amazed. If you had told me the fellowship of the Franciscan Centre at Canterbury would be transferred to the Renaissance Hotel in Jerusalem ten years later, I also would have likewise been amazed. If you had told me that my new bishop, Robert Duncan, who did not even make it to Lambeth 98, would have become the bete noire of the Episcopal Church, well on it goes…

So, Sarah, as you leave behind the toppled towers of Canterbury and turn to face the vengeful conquerors of TEC, take heart that there is a diaspora and that God just might carry you willy-nilly, like Jeremiah, off into it, where you will be welcomed with open joy.

Speaking of women warriors for the faith, I am reminded in reviewing my memoir of the loss of Diane Knippers, one of the lovely and resolute saints of God whom I was privileged to work with in the AAC and Lambeth 98. We rejoice that she is with the Lord, even as we feel her loss.

[20] Posted by Stephen Noll on 08-05-2008 at 08:49 PM • top

I see the glove is down.

Piskies, meet the Piskies
They’re a postmodern age jamboree
From the rock of Plymouth
They’re re-writing all of history
Let’s tea, with the family o’r the creek
Cantaur bids not tear yet drag our feet
When you’re, with the Piskies
Have an indaba chew time
An indaba blue time
...

[21] Posted by Moot on 08-05-2008 at 10:11 PM • top

Moot,

That ellipsis has me shivering with antici…............................pation.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

[22] Posted by gone on 08-05-2008 at 10:19 PM • top

Oops! In the honor roll of media reporting, I should have mentioned David Virtue, who was my dorm-mate for three weeks back in 1998 and who has kept Anglicans informed for the last decade on various developments.

[23] Posted by Stephen Noll on 08-05-2008 at 10:45 PM • top

Phil,

The ellipsis is an homage, to the Anglican distinctive of Church discipline. 

(Er, ‘as it were’)

[24] Posted by Moot on 08-05-2008 at 10:52 PM • top

I thought this report very helpful.

[25] Posted by Martin Reynolds on 08-06-2008 at 01:32 AM • top

Hi Stephen Noll, thanks for reading and for the kind words of StandFirm,

I am surprised that you said this: “Firstly, I am surprised that Sarah and other orthodox Anglicans were surprised at the course and outcome of the Conference.”

I thought I had made it clear that these were expected outcomes in general through these passages in the piece:

All of the above is merely the stage-setting. After all, if you’ve been reading the StandFirm blog for the past five years, and observing Very Important Anglican Meetings, you already knew what to expect—and five StandFirm bloggers were faithful to point out what was to come in case anyone missed it. Although I had not expected quite the level of both summer campness and blankness at the Lambeth Conference, I am unsurprised at the outcomes.

Though I was prepared for this, having closely watched and in some cases attended Anglican meetings, I don’t think for any gospel-believing Anglican the extent of what is the devastating shambles that is this Lambeth Conference has sunk in to our minds and hearts. Although I and most informed others were prepared for this—not the details but the general end result—it is still very sad and disturbing.

Perhaps you mistake my thoughts that it is sad and disturbing as surprise?

One of the things that led to my own peace through the conference was that none of the outcomes were particularly shocking or unexpected.  I came very well prepared by observing the past five years.

Anyway, I appreciate the kind words about our work!

[26] Posted by Sarah on 08-06-2008 at 03:44 AM • top

Sarah, What a wonderful summary !  I will re-read it when I get jaundiced with the “Spin,Spin,Spin” that is inevitably coming.  Suffice it to say, we left a month ago. The joyfulness, spirituality, love,volunteerism, giving, average sunday attendance, exceeded my wildest expectations.
roy schick
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[27] Posted by roy schick on 08-06-2008 at 04:41 AM • top

Sarah, I do indeed appreciate your efforts and ministry to Christ and Stand Firm.  I do question if you are truly as optimistic as you come across in this piece.  I think Stephen Noll is more correct in his shorter analysis.  As is pointed out, there is no surprise in what happened.  The ABC took a page from the EC playbook to keep everyone talking.  From TEC bishops you hear repeatedly how we had deep conversation and relationships were strengthen.  Back as pointed out, they will indeed be vindictive because once again they were told they have caused the crisis that the AC faces.  Like a spoiled child, they will continue to be intransigent Then like the immature and rebellious children they are they will act out at those who reinforce this fact and rub it in their noses day in and day, the traditionalists, conservatives, reasserters still left in their dioceses and church.  Everything will continue at an accelerated pace.  It is full speed ahead for SSB’s, certainly sooner than later another openly homosexual person will be elected and consented to the episcopate.  As TEC continues in pure unadulterated rebellion, the Global South Faithful will continue their rescue mission to the persecuted remnant in TEC.  This will accelerate because it will all get worse.  The belief that if the traditionalists, theological conservatives/reasserters continue to leave the situation is hopeless is a straw man.  Why?  Because the fact is that the inside strategy is over.  There is not enough of a witness inside TEC to make any difference today.  GC09 will plough ahead unfettered by the Communion.  TEC is a Communion unto itself.  Those who waited until Lambeth O8 for clarity have received it.  The diaspora will speed up and exodus to the promise land is more intense.  Persecution will only get worse.  I expect TEC to change the canons so that abandonment of communion means officially the communion of TEC and not the Anglican Communion.  Those who criticize TEC will be in danger of inhibition and defrocked if they do not recant.

Everything will continue at an accelerated rate.  There is no safe place in TEC.  Some say, “I will not leave unless they throw me out.”  Folks, we are there.  There are many ways of throwing or forcing one out of an institution.  All are being employed today to accomplish that purpose but label those who are pushed out as the ones who made the choice to leave.

Yes, it is a lie but this is not new for TEC.  They have lied about the lawsuits that are begun by TEC and Dioceses against Churches who have decided to remain faithful to Christ and Anglicanism as it was created.  But the majority voice of TEC is so loud they will shout this truth down as the liberal majority do at most Diocesan Convention.

If you remain, you will be beaten down more than before.  One must consider their own spiritual health as they proceed and that of their family.

Kendall’s call to differentiation simply is not enough.  The other side is too loud and far more powerful.  The choice of Jerusalem and Babylon are not the only ones.  Stephen Noll shows their is another choice. 

Clarity has been received from Lambeth 08 but I doubt it will be what TEC, ACoC, or the ABC wanted.  The ABC has done what he can to strengthen his hand.  TEC has showed their hand to the entire Communion.  If their was any doubt who and what they are about that has been dispelled.

Reality is clear.  Each must decide the path they will take and God have mercy on us all.

[28] Posted by Creighton+ on 08-06-2008 at 06:21 AM • top

MichaelSean,

Let me encourage you to re-read Sarah’s piece. It is difficult…no…it is impossible to read her article and come away thinking that she is in any way “hopeful” about the prospects for the AC.

Her point is NOT…oh come on everybody, victory is around the corner..lets just hold on a little longer.


She does say that for her, FOR HER, leaving is not an option. Not because GAFCON is bad or TEC is good. She sees reality but wants to resist within however hopeless.

Think Dien Ben Phu or the Alamo. Honorable and necessary fights that ended in glorious death

[29] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 08-06-2008 at 06:26 AM • top

Hi Michael Sean,

At first I wondered how on earth you could think my article “optimistic” . . . . but then I read further on and see that you characterize as “optimistic” anybody who doesn’t move to GAFCON, which in the US is Common Cause.  ; > )

I am neither “optimistic” about TEC nor Common Cause, as I have made copiously clear for the past three years, in writing, repeatedly.

RE: “As is pointed out, there is no surprise in what happened.”

Right—as I pointed out, in the actual article.

RE: “Because the fact is that the inside strategy is over.  There is not enough of a witness inside TEC to make any difference today.”

Well, you say so—and that’s fine.  But I never said any work within TEC had to be “successful” or somehow triumphant.

RE: “The diaspora will speed up and exodus to the promise land is more intense.”

As I said—more people will indeed leave in light of no action through Lambeth.  I think that the majority of those departing will move away from Anglicanism, not towards any sort of “promise [sic] land” . . .

RE: “If you remain, you will be beaten down more than before.”

Heh—if this is being “beaten down” I could do with more of it!  I feel fantastic, MichaelSean.  ; > )

RE: “The choice of Jerusalem and Babylon are not the only ones.”

Actually, they are in my book.  You yourself may decide which of TEC and GAFCON are Jerusalem and Babylon.

[30] Posted by Sarah on 08-06-2008 at 06:32 AM • top

To assume that the situation in TEC and the Anglican
Communion is hopeless, is to assume that God is not a God
of power and might. To assume the situation is hopeless,
is to assume that God does not hear and answer prayers.
I do believe that God hears and answers our prayers. He
answers those prayers on His eternal timetable, not our
timetable.  Sarah’s story about the desert hike is an
excellent example of this.  We must endure the hard times
until God, in His perfect timing, sends the answer.

[31] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 06:32 AM • top

RE: “Think Dien Ben Phu or the Alamo. Honorable and necessary fights that ended in glorious death . . . “

Thank you Matt!  I would like to be Kit Carson, please . . . . only without the glorious death part of it.

; > )

[32] Posted by Sarah on 08-06-2008 at 06:39 AM • top

Leaving ECUSA/TEC is not an easy road, either.  Look at
the Continuing Anglicans to see that. Once a group makes a
split with its original denomination, it becomes ever
easier to make more and more splits, essentially every
time a bishop or priest with a large ego doesn’t get his
way.  The Continuing Anglicans began with one group, now
they are multiplied many times that. The present
departures from TEC have already begun with several groups. Just how many will there end up being after more
splits?  Thirty one years after the Continuing Anglicans
departed, they still have not been able to financially
establish accredited seminaries.  Although there are some
well-educated clergy, many read for orders under bishops
(some of whom are not graduates of an accredited seminary
themselves). Some clergy in the Continuing Churches do not
even have a Bachelor’s Degree, let alone seminary. So,
while staying the TEC is not easy for conservatives. Many
conservatives will find that leaving and starting over is
not an easy road, either.  For those conservatives leaving
TEC now, I hope and pray they do not become bitter,
exclusive, and develope an “us four, no more” attitude
that excludes people from being welcomed into the church.
Though not all Continuing Parishes and bishops are
exclusionary, sadly some are.

[33] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 07:07 AM • top

Hi, congratulations on a very fine piece and on a job exceedingly well done.  The only thing I would add to what has been mentioned above is that in terms of deepening spiritual formation in the parish, nothing beats small group Bible studies held in members’ homes during the week.  I would encourage every Rector to foster their development.

[34] Posted by physician without health on 08-06-2008 at 07:11 AM • top

Sarah:
Strength and honor.  You illustrate both, and we need both.  Too many strong leaders lack honor, and too many honorable people lack the strength to stand and fight.  Thanks.

[35] Posted by Theron Walker✙ on 08-06-2008 at 07:25 AM • top

#5 Sarah - I understood your original post and know you have drawn a line and will stay. I have said it before, and I’ll say it again - staying is one response, and I believe, a Biblical one. However, I continue to find this a bit puzzling:

... for reasons of “theology, ecclesiology, caution and concern, or pragmatic needs with families” I will not enter one of those options.

I find it puzzling in that one would choose to stay when those very reasons, if they are integral components in your faith, and given that they are the very ones being destroyed by TEC and Communion, would weigh as ones for staying.

[36] Posted by Festivus on 08-06-2008 at 07:44 AM • top

Sarah, really enjoyed your “reflection”.  For me, it feels kinda like it did when you realized there was no Santa Claus.  It feels like it did when you realized that we are crackheads for foreign oil, and the Middle East is our connection. (I’m a Repub.).  It feels like it did when I realized our church (TEC) was run by a group of very weak willed cowards being shoved around by loud mouthed secular activists.  It feels like it did when you realized your parents could be dead wrong about something.  It feels like it did when you realized you didn’t study the right stuff for the final exam you are staring at.  It feels like it did when you realized your bank could be flat broke.  It feels like it did when you realized it was all on you and nobody else. It feels like it did when you really realized that your life is finite.  It feels like it did when you realized that brand new baby was looking up at you, that you were it for him.

It feels like it did when you finally grew up, and cast away all the fairy tales.  You grew up, and learned how to take care of yourself.  We must take care of ourselves.  It’s tough to realize this, but it seems that most are now coming to grips that they must give up the fairy tales, the false mental images of what we thought the church was.  The false ideas that some “grown up” would step in and fix the church.  The false ideas that the argument can be won with debate skills, logic, theological constructs,or law, canon or secular.

We will cast away the false, the fairy tales.  The wait for an institution that is square with our beliefs could be a long one.  I feel certain that the journey will be hard, but worth making.

[37] Posted by Looking for Leaders on 08-06-2008 at 08:08 AM • top

ohio anglican, I think it goes without saying that when we say there is no hope, we mean humanly speaking. God, of course, can do anything.

[38] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 08-06-2008 at 08:14 AM • top

From another battle, on another little stone bridge, a comrade-in-arms in the ELCA salutes you. Thank you for your clear assessment of the situation in the AC and in TEC, as well as for your guidance which also speaks to those in other mainline churches.  Prayers for you in your wilderness sojourn.  We are indeed “Called to a Common Mission” (not exactly the way the leadership intended that title to work!).

[39] Posted by Wittenberg on 08-06-2008 at 08:30 AM • top

#34 Physician without health wrote,

“nothing beats small group Bible studies held in members’ homes during the week.  I would encourage every Rector to foster their development.”

What if the rector is a revisionist, and the rector wants to control the Bible study? What if a small group of friends starts chatting up on conservative theology and draws the ire of the clergy and/or Bishop? Go Underground?

[40] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 08-06-2008 at 08:31 AM • top

Sarah, Kit Carson (1809-1968) was not at the Alamo (1836).  Maybe you’re thinking of Jim Bowie (subject of the TV show “The Adventures of Jim Bowie” or Davy Crockett, as immortalized by the Disney TV shows and movie, and in “The Ballad of Davy Crockett”.  (Sing along time:  Davy, Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier.> 

A famous quote from Davy Crockett may be useful for us:  Be always sure you are right, then go ahead.

Connie Sandlin
Native Texan

[41] Posted by Connie Sandlin on 08-06-2008 at 08:37 AM • top

Re #40:

What if the rector is a revisionist, and the rector wants to control the Bible study? What if a small group of friends starts chatting up on conservative theology and draws the ire of the clergy and/or Bishop? Go Underground?

So what are they going to do to you?  String you up?  Denounce you at Announcements?  Probably the best advertising you could get.  I handed out invitations to the inauguration of our new church plant at the old parish’s annual picnic.  The new revisionist rector was not pleased with me.

Cheers,

Phil “BTDT” Hobbs

[42] Posted by gone on 08-06-2008 at 09:21 AM • top

Your survival training story about human psychology reminded me of the remarkable story of Rick Rescorla, director of security at Morgan Stanley in the Twin Towers on 911. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1810315-3,00.html .

A former Vietnam vet, he had previously instructed and drilled the Morgan Stanley employees to act decisively—and contrary to instructions from the Port Authority in the event of a terror attack. He also instructed employees always to go down—to the ground floor and away, in an emergency, not further up in a doomed building in the hope of a rooftop rescue. When the plane hit the first tower, and employees of the second tower were instructed by loudspeaker by the Port Authority to remain in their offices, the Morgan Stanley employees instead streamed down the stairs and away from danger in an calm fashion.

As a result, almost all Morgan Stanley employees survived on 911, while scores of others died because they thought they could safely remain in place until rescued.  I say almost all, because part of Rick’s calling was to remain in the building until the last escaped.  Rick was last seen in the building doing his job.

There are still people in the Episcopal Church that need to be warned of the danger, instructed how to deal with the emergency, and eventually led to safety. Some may eventually get to the safety of an alternative “Anglican” church or province, while others may migrate to another faithful denomination or non-denominational church.  When they reach safety, and how, may differ.  Regardless, they all share one thing in common with those of us who have already left, a debt to people such as yourself and the other Stand Firm contributors, Orombi, Akinola, Venables, Rucyahana, Schofield, Iker, Duncan. Yates, Minns, Roseboro, van Dyke, McCaslin… (the list could go on a long time).

[43] Posted by Going Home on 08-06-2008 at 09:47 AM • top

Matt+:
I’m qite sure that all of us believe that God can do
anything.  Sometimes, when things look bad it never hurts
us to remind ourselves of that, which is why I mentioned
it.  If we didn’t believe in God, and His power, we
prebably wouldn’t be here on this Blog. Please understand
that I didn’t mean to question anyone’s faith, simply to
remind us what is sometimes easy to forget in dark times.

[44] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 10:40 AM • top

Matt,

I did read Sarah analysis carefully.  I understand the glorious death scenario.  She is optimistic not because she believes in any victory but that she can and will be allowed to remain in TEC.

She is optimistic in that way.  As matters accelerate, the situation will worsen.  TEC will get meaner and nastier than they has been.  They will no longer tolerate criticism of TEC.

As previously said, there are many ways of forcing people out.

For clergy, it will happen formally with GC09.  I would expect legislation to be passed that defines abandonment of communion meaning the Communion of the EC.  Eventually, the Canons will be changed so that lay people can be charged.  How fast this will happen is a guess…but it will come and I believe sooner than later.

If God has called you Sarah to be a martyr, God bless you.

Lambeth has brought clarity as you pointed out people were waiting to see what would come out of this last Instrument of Unity.  What has come is clarity but no unity.  Those who waited until will move forward whatever that means for them.  Some like you Sarah, will continue to do what you have been doing faithfully before God.  Others will too but that path will lead to different paths.

Sadly, I believe that the Jerusalem/Babylon analogy is a poor one.  I rather envision the exodus in the journey to the Promised Land that has its own challenges.  There is no perfect place but their are healthier places.

[45] Posted by Creighton+ on 08-06-2008 at 11:15 AM • top

Here is something I will never understand about those who choose to remain within TEC:
“While it’s true that Anglicans could leave TEC and join a non-Anglican church—you would still be at heart an Anglican-in-a-strange-land. While it’s true that Anglicans can leave TEC and join an alternate Anglican entity, you will still be in a very uncertain future, with new struggles, and with some very serious challenges.”
That perhaps is all true.  Although as an ex-Anglican who moved to the ACC and then to Orthodoxy, I have become quite easily acclimated to the latter.
What really seems profoundly shortsighted is the problem of intercommunion with heritics/apostates.  I can’t get past the fact that for any “classical Christian”, and even for Protestant fundamentalists, it is considered a very grave sin to take communion from a priest or bishop who is in communion with a bishop who embraces heresy or open apostasy.  It’s not a question of the heretical bishop’s personal morality.  Tradition is clear that that does not affect the sacrament.  What is equally clear though is that intercommunion means shared faith.  So each time an “orthodox” Episcopalian takes communion in the Episcopal Church, he or she is proclaiming their agreement with heresy or apostasy.  It’s really no more complicated than that.  To put a fine point to it, each time you take communion in any TEC church in any diocese which shares eucharistic fellowship with the rest of TEC, you are commiting a very grave sin.
The “uncertainty” of the continuing churches should be obviously more preferrable than that.  The experience of the early Church was certainly “uncertain”. 
Moreover, if the continuing churches or the REC are not options, might you not ask yourself how true Anglicanism really is.  Could the only acceptable form of Christianity that you recognize actually have been “rediscovered” in the 16th century?  You might at least have the humility to consider that question soberly.
In any case, there was a time when I had some respect for the decision of the those to stay in TEC.  Now I can see that it is truly sinful and there can be no possible excuse.
After a long time not looking at any Anglican website, I found myself curious as to what was happening at Lambeth.  I won’t be a regular here at all.  I just thought I’d make some observations that might actually shake someone out of their complacency. 
In my church, we have differences about things.  But it’s about who’s going to help with this or that project or whether the choir is disorganized, etc.  There is simply no disagreement about doctrine and certainly nothing remotely comparable to the situation in TEC.  You would all do well to let your morbid fascination with TEC and its fate pass into oblivion and you can’t do that from the inside.  If you need the frustration and outrage, just join Integrity and preach abstinence to homosexuals.  I sometimes think you all are addicted to the feeling of moral outrage.  There’s more to life and church than that.

[46] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 01:15 PM • top

Paraklisis:
I have to disagree strongly that receiving the Eucharist
is ever a sin.  The 39 Articles make it clear that the
unworthiness of a clergyperson does not invalidate the
sacraments. If we worthily receive the sacrament of the
Eucharist in good faith, it is a blessing from God to us.
Receiving the Eucharist is not dependent upon the worthiness of the clergyperson.  I’m a member of a Continuing Anglican Church, and there is no doubt in my
mind that some of our clergy engage in the same sort of
sins as some clergy in TEC.  However, being the Eucharist
is a gift of grace to us from God, I receive that gift of
grace with faith.  If you have chosen the Orthodox Church, I wish you well and am glad that it meets your
needs.  However, to tell Anglicans and Episcopalians that
we may be committing a sin by receiving the Eucharist, is
definately over the top, and more than a little uncharitable.

[47] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 01:34 PM • top

Ohio Anglican, I think you need to read Paraklisis again, just to make sure:

I can’t get past the fact that for any “classical Christian”, and even for Protestant fundamentalists, it is considered a very grave sin to take communion from a priest or bishop who is in communion with a bishop who embraces heresy or open apostasy.  It’s not a question of the heretical bishop’s personal morality.  Tradition is clear that that does not affect the sacrament.  What is equally clear though is that intercommunion means shared faith.  So each time an “orthodox” Episcopalian takes communion in the Episcopal Church, he or she is proclaiming their agreement with heresy or apostasy.  It’s really no more complicated than that.  To put a fine point to it, each time you take communion in any TEC church in any diocese which shares eucharistic fellowship with the rest of TEC, you are commiting a very grave sin.

I think the 39 Articles are talking about the fact that communion is received from the “office” of the priest, not the priest himself. But what Paraklisis is talking about is another matter, that in effect, you are out of communion with TEC and the “office” of the priest is in question. Interesting point of discussion.

[48] Posted by Conoscenzo on 08-06-2008 at 01:44 PM • top

ohio anglican,
Reread my post.  “It’s not a question of the heretical bishop’s personal morality.”  You would be right in your observation if there were an argument about the priest’s or bishop’s personal moral failings.  They would not invalidate the sacrament.  I’m not actually talking about the validity of the sacrament at all.  What I am saying is that each time you partake of the Eucharist in TEC, you are declaring yourself a heretic or apostate because you are in eucharistic fellowship with those clergy who publicly proclaim heresy and apostasy as their faith.  That’s not uncharitable, that’s a fact that if appreciated could save your soul.  Just because your own bishop might not have excommunicated those who publicly embrace heresy or apostasy is no excuse either. That is their moral failing. 
Bear in mind, TEC didn’t start out as a gathering of apostates, it gradually became that way because of lack of doctrinal discipline.  To be exposed to that endangers your own spiritual wellbeing, not just becuase you might compromise your principles, but because your soul gets filled with constant animosity toward your fellow man because of the unChristian actions of the clergy.

[49] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 01:50 PM • top

The Eucharist properly received matters not on the worthiness, or alledged unworthiness, of the celebrant.
The Holy Spirit goes where it will.  We humans have no
control over that. I believe it is always very wrong for
mere human beings to make judgements about the unworthiness of any church’s sacraments. Who are we to say
what Eucharist the Holy Spirit has blessed with the Real
Presence of Christ?  What mere human can make a judgement
of what is considered a real Eucharist?  Christ said: “Do
this….”  Christ put no restrictions on the Eucharist.

[50] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 01:51 PM • top

Paraklisis:
Many people may not have an option to receive the Eucharist elsewhere.  As long as their intentions in
receiving the Eucharist are pure, who are you to judge
them as being sinful for receiving the Eucharist? No one,
is worthy to receive the Eucharist in themselves. We are
only worthy through the grace of God.  The Eucharist is a
gift of grace.  To say that receiving the Eucharst, as
Christ instructed us to do, is a sin is, in my opinion,
way off base.  When did God suddenly make any human being, the judge of people’s souls? When did
God bestow upon any human being, the right to condemn
faithful parishes as evil just because they are in a church where leaders in other dioceses have done wrong?

[51] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 01:58 PM • top

After reading Conoscenzo’s post, I think I can supply the missing link that might clarify my point:  Orthodox, Roman Catholics and Protestant fundamentalists, but not necessarily evangelicals, agree that intercommunion means complete agreement in faith.  That is why Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant fundamentalist churches are “closed communion”.  In fact, this was the case for all Trinitarian Christian churches until the 20th century, or almost all.  This is an idea firmly rooted in the Church Fathers.  To share the Holy Gifts is to proclaim complete agreement in faith.  Now, would you not agree that TEC is farther away from the faith than Arius, than the Monophysites, than the Monothelites?  Many consider TEC as a quasi-Gnostic, quasi-Arian community.  Really they are athiests who like to be spiritual and harness “churchness” for their progressive views.  Muslims are closer to the faith than TEC, at least they believe in God and accept traditional attitudes toward the family (polygamy excepted, of course).

[52] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 02:00 PM • top

We are Anglicans; not Roman Catholics, Orthodox, or Fundamentalist Protestants.  I chose not to be one of the
three above mentioned groups.  Anglicans regard
scripture as the authority, not the decisions and man-made
rules of humans long ago.  Christ said of the Eucharist:
“Do this….”  It was a command.  Christ did not lay out
a set of rules that church A has to be in communion with
church B in order for you to receive the Eucharist. Those
are man-made rules.  The Eucharist faithfully received by
the faithful is a gift of grace. It is not a sin to
receive the Eucharist, a gift of God’s grace and love. In
my opinion, believing that receiving the gifts of the
Eucharist is a sin misses the whole point of the gospel.

[53] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 02:11 PM • top

St. John of Damascus writes: “With all our strength let us beware lest we receive Communion from or give it to heretics. ‘Give not what is holy to the dogs,’ says the Lord. ‘Neither cast ye your pearls before swine’, lest we become partakers in their dishonour and condemnation.”

“Let any Bishop, or Presbyter, or Deacon that merely joins in prayer with heretics be suspended, but if he has permitted them to perform any service as clergymen, let him be deposed.” Apostolic Canon 45.

“Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God.” II Corinthians 6.14-16.

“Come out of her, My people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues.” Revelation 18.4.

[54] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 02:25 PM • top

Communion is about the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and the direction to “Do this in remembrance of Me”.  It is not about what any of us thinks or feels about the people arouund us.  It is a joining with Christ.  The idea that we can restrict communion is one of the most abhorrent things that is done in the name of power.  Who are any of us to separate someone from God?

[55] Posted by To the Left on 08-06-2008 at 02:27 PM • top

“We are Anglicans; not Roman Catholics, Orthodox, or Fundamentalist Protestants.”
By “fundamentalist Protestant” I meant a protestant that actually believes in a trinitarian Protestant faith as held in his church before the advent of Evangelicalism.  Bear in mind, the Episcopal Church used to be closed communion, as did the Lutherans, etc.  Some Lutherans still are (not, of course, the ELCA).  They were closed communion because they shared the very view I’m espousing here, it is a serious sin to give or take communion in a church with which you are not in doctrinal agreement.  I know it’s not going to reach you, ohio anglican, but perhaps others might take it to heart.

[56] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 02:33 PM • top

Amen, To the Left!  There is nothing more abhorrent than
human beings setting themselves up as a judge over others,
and trying to restrict people from receiving the gifts of
grace given to us by the Body and Blood of Christ. Christ
said: “Do this…...”  I am not a clergyperson, but if I
were, I certainly would not wish to face the day of
judgement and have to explain why I denied people access
to the gifts of grace given through the sacraments.

Paraklisis:  St. John Damascus is just a human being, like
you or I. He wasn’t Christ. As a human being, he has no
right to contradict the invitation of Christ, as I see it.
Canon Law is man-made and written by humans, many with
particular political, and other, motives. Human written
rules do not rise to the level of Christ’s Words in the
scripture, and never will.

[57] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-06-2008 at 02:37 PM • top

To the Left wrote:
Who are any of us to separate someone from God?

Perhaps people who share the sentiments of St. Paul:
Titus 3:10
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
another translation:
Titus 3:10 If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing more to do with them. 11 For people like that have turned away from the truth, and their own sins condemn them. (NLT04)

[58] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 02:47 PM • top

Churches fall into heresy or apostasy, inevitably, if they do not practice eucharistic discipline.

Galatians 1:8:  But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

[59] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 02:57 PM • top

ohio anglican wrote:
“Paraklisis:  St. John Damascus is just a human being, like you or I. He wasn’t Christ. As a human being, he has no right to contradict the invitation of Christ, as I see it.”
If not St. John Damascus, do you believe St. Paul, or is it just Christ’s own words that count.  Do you play Christ against St. Paul?  I’m having trouble understanding your position.

[60] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 03:00 PM • top

“I am not a clergyperson, but if I were, I certainly would not wish to face the day of judgement and have to explain why I denied people access to the gifts of grace given through the sacraments.”

Even the Book of Common Prayer says something about those who eat and drink the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily do so to their own condemnation.  If you are suggesting that a priest would face judgment for denying the eucharist to someone who was engaging in notorious sin or open heresy or apostasy, I think you are diametrically opposed to St. Paul and to the Tradition part of Scripture, Tradition and Reason that Anglicans claim to hold so dear.

[61] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 03:06 PM • top

actually, in my last post it should be “without faith” instead of “unworthily”, I think.  It’s been a while since I had a BCP

[62] Posted by paraklisis on 08-06-2008 at 03:08 PM • top

Hey - Greg:  Now that Lambeth is over, can we get rid of the header - even tellytubbies would be a relief.

[63] Posted by Eclipse on 08-06-2008 at 08:09 PM • top

RE: “So each time an “orthodox” Episcopalian takes communion in the Episcopal Church, he or she is proclaiming their agreement with heresy or apostasy.”

Actually, by your standards, each time any “orthodox” Christian of any sort takes communion in their church, they are proclaiming their agreement with whatever heresy is within that church, as all churches promote heresies of one degree or another, not being perfect.  I myself am a heretic, in that I am quite confident that when I get to heaven I’ll recognize that I got some doctrines wrong.

RE: “I just thought I’d make some observations that might actually shake someone out of their complacency. “

Well, actually you just got yourself banned, is all, since your posts are in direct violation of our comment policies which are in the thread linked at every page.

RE: “I won’t be a regular here at all.”

True.

[64] Posted by Sarah on 08-07-2008 at 04:03 AM • top

Thanks, Ohio Anglican, too, for pointing out that we’re Anglicans over here.  ; > )

[65] Posted by Sarah on 08-07-2008 at 04:07 AM • top

I actually agree with Paraklisis in part. I have, in my own time, refused to take communion when representatives of TEC chaplaincies were present, and I firmly believe that I was right to do so, basically for the arguments he outlined. Similarly, I believe the deacon who refused to receive communion from the Bishop of Chelmsford at his proposed ordination was correct to do so. I firmly believe that by accepting communion from somebody, you are saying, not that there are no differences between you (that would be impossible), but that the differences are ultimately unimportant. We are not just joining with Jesus, but with each other as well (1 Corinthians 10:17).

However, before getting too judgemental, I like to remember the words of Jesus:

18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
  19 “‘I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first.
  20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
  21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.
  22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works,
  23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.
  24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden.
  25 Only hold fast what you have until I come.
  26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations,
  27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father.
  28 And I will give him the morning star.
  29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

  1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.

“‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
  2 Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God.
  3 Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you.
  4 Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.
  5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.
  6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

To my mind, the faithful in TEC are analogous to the few faithful in these churches: small clusters holding on in a sea of apostasy. But Jesus did not condemn them, because they remained in the same church as this Jezebel, but said ``I do not lay on you any other burden. Only hold fast what you have until I come.”

[66] Posted by Boring Bloke on 08-07-2008 at 05:14 AM • top

Amen, Ohio Anglican. We all have to beware being the Pharisee in the Temple, looking around at other worshippers and thanking God that we’re not as sinful as they are!

[67] Posted by Marcus on 08-07-2008 at 05:22 AM • top

I agree that I could not take communion with those who do not hold the faith, and that to ‘cast them out’ is the church’s final disciplinary tool.

That said, if those present are of the faith, I have no issue with the taking of the bread and wine.  I couldn’t take communion with the bishopess, but I could take it with bishops that have.  The exclusion from communion, is for those in unrepentant open sin, it is not to be used against those who are not themselves guilty.

[68] Posted by Bo on 08-07-2008 at 05:34 AM • top

Sarah:
We are all Anglicans, whether still in TEC, the Continuing
Churches, or in the new Anglican groups departing. There
are good and faithful Christians in all of the above, and,
sadly, there are “Pharisees” in all of the above.
When faithful Christians receive the Eucharist
together, they receive Christ’s Body and Blood and find
special grace and union with Christ and each other. I have
dear friends who are still in TEC.  I am in the same
dispersed religious order with many faithful Christians
still in TEC.  My local chapter of our religious order,
The Order of St. Luke, is an equal division of both
members of Continuing Anglican bodies and members of TEC.
We have true fellowship as siblings in our order. We have
Morning Prayer, a fellowship meal, and Spiritual Formation
Sessions together each month. All of us are Anglican. That
is how we see it. That’s how I will always see it. I would
never judge anyone for making the decision that is best
for them concerning how, and where, to be Anglican - Low
Church or High Church; Evangelical or Anglo-Catholice,
etc., etc. We are all Anglicans.

[69] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-07-2008 at 06:34 AM • top

Sarah,
There are a lot of posts to this article. I hope I don’t get lost in the crowd. 

Regarding staying in the church and fighting the apostasy. There is one concern that I have regarding the ability to Evangelize the unchurched, from whom our growth and survival must come, that is there are two things that stand out to differentiate the Episcopal church from the mainline protestant churches in America.  They are the Sacraments, and the traditions of the faith once delivered to the Saints.  If TEC disrespects the Sacrements by misusing them (as they have) and ditches the traditions of the faith (which they have), we no longer can effectively use these points in our Evangelizing, should we remain in TEC.  It is quite possible that this factor alone will ensure the demise of TEC parishes over time. To get people to listen to ‘why should I join you over the __________s?’ stories, requires these two factors to be present. 

As a parish it might be possible to continue to differentiate oneself from the apostate TEC through great effort and expense but why bother when it is possible to retain the desireable characteristics by moving to a portion of the Anglican communion which still believes in the Sacraments as Holy and the faith as the traditional faith of the Fathers? 

Those who will leave TEC for a more traditional jurisdiction are not ‘leaving the church’ they are simply chosing to remain faithful in the midst of apostasy and remaining within the Anglican Communion.  “In my Father’s house are many rooms.” (John 14:2) We, the oppressed orthodox will simply move to another room not leave the house.

May the Peace of the Lord be always with you.

Sheep75002

[70] Posted by Sheep75002 on 08-07-2008 at 09:17 AM • top

Kit Carson (1809-1968)

I had no IDEA he lived that long.

More seriously, there is an important question.  Is TEC a church where the Truth may be taught, where the Truth IS taught, or a church that teaches the Truth?  These are not all the same thing. 

And into which of these sorts of churches can a newly-converted Christian be brought responsibly?

[71] Posted by Ed the Roman on 08-07-2008 at 12:40 PM • top

“The World is trying the experiment of attempting to form a civilized but non-Christian mentality. The experiment will fail; but we must be very patient in awaiting its collapse; meanwhile redeeming the time: so that the Faith may be preserved alive through the dark ages before us; to renew and rebuild civilization, and save the World from suicide.” T.S. Eliot, Thoughts after Lambeth (1931), in “Selected Essays”

[72] Posted by tdunbar on 08-07-2008 at 01:34 PM • top

Sheep75002,

The article isn’t about whether folks should stay or go—and I find it interesting that so many of the comments focus on what was a rather small portion of the article at the end about what TEC people could do.  My comments to those remaining within TEC as to what they can do appears to have stressed out some who have left TEC.

RE: As a parish it might be possible to continue to differentiate oneself from the apostate TEC through great effort and expense but why bother when it is possible to retain the desireable characteristics by moving to a portion of the Anglican communion which still believes in the Sacraments as Holy and the faith as the traditional faith of the Fathers?”

Well—that question has been answered from the “Stayers” point of view a thousand and one times on this website, so I’m doubting that further answers will help any.  Just a point of clarification.  While it’s true that the departing who join alternate Anglican entities are *Anglican* and being connected to a province of the Anglican Communion is a great thing, the body known as the Anglican Communion has the right to define itself—and it has through its own legislation and practices.  Just because a parish in the U.S. is connected to a province of the Anglican Communion does not mean that parish is within the Anglican Communion, as is manifest when their bishops don’t get invited to Lambeth, nor their laypeople considered to sit on the ACC, nor a number of other marks of membership within the Anglican Communion.  This issue has also been addressed in now dozens of threads here at StandFirm.  It honestly shouldn’t matter to those leaving TEC whether they are “members” of the Anglican Communion—it certainly won’t matter to me, should I leave TEC.

RE: “Those who will leave TEC for a more traditional jurisdiction are not ‘leaving the church’” . . .

I agree that they are not “leaving the church” as I believe in the church universal.

RE: ” . . . and remaining within the Anglican Communion.”

No—they are remaining Anglican, but they are not in the Anglican Communion as that body has chosen to accept only those parishes and dioceses within the recognized Anglican Communion provincial church, which in the case of the U.S. is TEC.  It’d be nice if that criteria changed—and certainly there are people who are trying to get it to change, but simply “redefining” the organization known as the “Anglican Communion” to fit what those leaving TEC wish it to be lacks integrity.

[73] Posted by Sarah on 08-07-2008 at 05:53 PM • top

Sarah is absolutely right. Only those who are members of
TEC are actually members of the Anglican Communion. This
is how the Communion has chosen to define itself.  It is
possible to be Anglican without being a member of the
official Communion.  The Continuing Anglicans have
remained Anglican for 31 years since they chose to leave
the official Communion.  They originally hoped the See of
Canterbury would one day recognize them, but that didn’t
happen. It didn’t happen with the Reformed Episcopal
Church a century before. I think that should be a
strong hint to those now leaving TEC.  What I truly
believe to be important is that all Anglican family
members who are faithful Christians - those left in TEC,
Continuing Anglicans, CANA, AMiA, etc. - begin to pray and
fellowship together and support one another as Anglican
Christians. There are differences among us such as female
ordination, for one. I am not foolish enough to believe
that unity or a concencus will ever happen on that issue.
What I do hope is that those on both sides on all differences, will quit looking at differences in an
effort to purposely divide us. What I hope is that we’ll
unite in prayer, friendship, and cooperation to show the
world that the faithful Anglicans are united in spirit.
Will we ever be united in one governing jurisdiction? I
highly doubt it. But we can, and should, if we truly
believe in what is in the traditional BCP, show love,
kindness, and cooperation toward one another. I believe
that most of the laity already do.  When laity travel and
move throughout the country, they freely attend and join
any nearby parish in the “alphabet soup” of Anglicans.
The key is getting the clergy, especially the guys in
pointy hats, to be friendly with one another, and act like
Christ would want us to treat on another - with love. This
is the greatest gift that all of us who are Anglican can
give to those faithful Christians who are still in TEC -
our love, our support, and, most importantly, our prayers.

[74] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-07-2008 at 06:14 PM • top

Thanks, Sarah.  As usual, you are as sharp as a razor—and with a perspective of the same breadth.

[75] Posted by Wolfstan on 08-07-2008 at 06:50 PM • top

When I read your essay and some of the comments in response, Sarah, I thought back on one of my favorite lines from the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy.

Gamling: “Too few have come. We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor.”

Théoden: “No, we cannot.  But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.”

This quote has long been a strong motivator for me (one who remains in TEC and sometimes overwhelmed by the task ahead) because it speaks very much about faith, duty and calling in the face of what appears to be humanly futile.

[76] Posted by jamesw on 08-08-2008 at 01:11 AM • top

So do we really make no distinction between a parish in the continuum from the 1970s (not aligned to another province of the Anglican Communion) and a parish that is aligned with the Southern Cone or another province?  But the latter will have gone to great pains to make the Communion connection, to be a mission of the overseas province that is AC.  I am not sure I really understand the point you are making.  The missions may not have the same privileges as the AC members, but do we really deny they are missions?

[77] Posted by Paula on 08-08-2008 at 01:52 AM • top

Sarah,
What you have written is clear and bright and full of rueful hope.
In regards to your battle plan for increasing spiritual formation, I wonder if you and some others might reccomend a best of or essentials reading list for a book discussion group (these are wonderful opportunities for stealth evangelization!) that would pass through the “filters” unnoticed of a revisionist parish. In other words what orthodox books that have real power to influence the mind, the heart and the will might be read or suggested without causing the average revisionist layperson who would be interested in attending such a group to balk or squak that this was reasserter propaganda. Please help and suggest one and all as I would like to do this but want to have a good long book list to begin with.

[78] Posted by archangelica on 08-08-2008 at 03:16 AM • top

Archangelica, thanks for the kind words.

However, were I to give you such a list, you as an avowed member of Integrity and Affirming Catholic would then use it to eliminate all the book discussion groups in your parish that were using such books!  ; > )

[79] Posted by Sarah on 08-08-2008 at 04:34 AM • top

RE: “. . . and with a perspective of the same breadth.”

Heh.

Careful there, Wolfstan . . . . a bit of bitterness leaking through there.

But I’m always complimented by attempted insults from revisionists.  ; > )

[80] Posted by Sarah on 08-08-2008 at 04:36 AM • top

On the issue of staying and going, and spiritual growth.  What has saddened me is that in this whole discussion, nothing has been said of the mystical tradition of the church.  It’s as if it our great saints like Catharine of Siena, John of the Cross, the author of the Cloud of Unknowing, did not exist and had nothing to teach us equally so, the Rule of St. Benedict, the lived faith of the monasteries, and the retreats guided by the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius.  For liberal or conservative, the work of these masters, our masters, can help provide the agar we need for growth in spiritual life.  Not work for people interested in apologetics, I know, but maybe work that would help us to live in difficult times.  For clergy, the opportunity to do clinical pastoral education gives them the chance that, for example, an Ignatian 30 day retreat might provide for those in “spiritual formation”  Such “retreats” might not produce apt apologists, but, unlike Sarah, I don’t think that apologetics is a real plus.  As a highly analytical person myself, based on my experience, I’ve concluded that most people are not and evangelization is heart centered, not head.  Even I greatly prefer Newman’s Idea of a University to his apologia So my reading list would include our mystics, not to be studied, but absorbed and “retreats” vs. study groups.  On bible study, at least a smattering of epistemology, then hermeneutics before jumping in would help.  No workman with sense goes to work without tools.

[81] Posted by EmilyH on 08-08-2008 at 05:40 AM • top

“good long book list”

there’s no such thing! The whole point of any book list is to be selective rather than long. Of course, what’s too long for one person may be short reading for another. Still…

I’ve found it to be a useful exercise to maintain a list of “if I had only a dozen books for a year or two” in order to clarify my own worldview.

[82] Posted by tdunbar on 08-08-2008 at 05:54 AM • top

re 79
  on the other hand, Sarah, you could just give a short list such as:

anything by
  Augustine
  Dante
  Shakespeare
  Jane Austen
  TS Eliot
  NT Wright
  Aristotle
  Newman
  Donne
  Herbert
  Wesley

an let the resulting elimination have it’s way smile

[83] Posted by tdunbar on 08-08-2008 at 06:10 AM • top

The Revs. John and Charles Wesley renewed the Anglican
Church during their lifetimes with their writings - both
sermons and hymns. They are an excellent source for renewal today.  Their “Methodist Societies” (which functioned as dispersed religious orders, and were never
intended by the Wesleys to be a seperate church) brought
tremendous renewal. A study of these “Methodist
Societies” is a good guide for how small group renewal
could work today and be effective.

[84] Posted by ohio anglican on 08-08-2008 at 06:17 AM • top

Bernard of Clairvaux: On Loving God, Gregory of Nyssa: On Virginity Francis de Sales: Introduction to the Devout Life and Treatise on the Love of God John Cassian: The Conferences Jean-Pierre de Caussade: Self Abandonment to Divine Providence.  The above address some of tbe central issues of human nature and loving God.

[85] Posted by EmilyH on 08-08-2008 at 06:47 AM • top

[#81] EmilyH wrote:

I don’t think that apologetics is a real plus.

But it is a Scriptural imperative:

[A]lways being ready to make a <u>defense</u> to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence. 1 Peter 3:15 NASB

The underlined word is ‘apologian’ - formal defense.  That’s what an apologetic is.  Besides, EmilyH.  What are you doing on SF besides presenting a liberal apologetic?

carl

[86] Posted by carl on 08-08-2008 at 06:59 AM • top

#86 Carl above, please see #85 above.  These readings have nothing to do with right or left.

[87] Posted by EmilyH on 08-08-2008 at 07:20 AM • top

EmilyH, Carl never said the readings did.  He was clearly responding to your not thinking apologetics was a real plus, while at the same time you engage in apologetics for your gospel right here on this very website.

[88] Posted by Sarah on 08-08-2008 at 07:24 AM • top

[87] EmilyH
Yes, I realize.  But your statement about apologetics in #81 was an aside, and it was to that aside I responded.  It struck me as scripturally wrong, and incongruous with your typical presence on SF.  I have been on this board a long time - almost daily for over two years.  Am I wrong to describe your presence here as typically presenting a liberal apologetic?  That would be a difficult argument for you to make in the face of the months of evidence here accumulated.

carl

[89] Posted by carl on 08-08-2008 at 07:42 AM • top

#79
However, were I to give you such a list, you as an avowed member of Integrity and Affirming Catholic would then use it to eliminate all the book discussion groups in your parish that were using such books!  ; > )

You obviously don’t “get” me and that is fine because Integrity folk don’t either. I mean to say that if you have read my posts here and more so at titusonenine you would know that I lament the shallow theology, if it can even be called that, that exists in Liberal circles. You and I may disagree about women’s ordination and full inclusion of gay folk but outside of thoses positions I am as staunch in my orthodoxy as anyone here. I am asking for books that will help reappraisers, regardless of their stance on these two issues, find their souls, eat some spiritual meat and understand why the creeds are crucial. More than this, I want books that have nothing to do with the MDG crap that has come to overshadow the historicity and unique saving and transforming power of Christ alone. I am asking for books that have the power to turn social workers into Christians but books they would be willing to read. Emily H offered some great titles but good as they are they are not really for church goers and do gooders who may not even be Christians. Going to church faithfully is a great good but it no more makes one a Christian than sitting regularly in a garage make one a car.
The problems on TEC, as you well know, are much deeper than women clergy and what to do with gay folk who claim and display evidence of a saving knowledge and relationship with Christ. The problem is that TEC is loosing its Christian moorings and is becoming more Unitarian with trappings every day. I am asking for books to teach people what they have never been taught. If we can agree on Christ and the creeds and the sacraments and the Bible as more than a book of “sacred myths” than we can live to fight about the other issues another day. IN fact until we can agree on said issues all else is moot and ashes.
I asked for your help because I respect your mind. If you think this is some kind of ridiculous trap to ban books than forget it all come up with my own list which would include:
1.) Everything by C.S. Lewis
2.) Everything by Austin Farrar
3.) Everything by Dean Inge
4.) Everything by Dorothy Sayers
5.) Everything by Brian McLaren
6.) Some things by Rowan Williams
7.) John Piper
8.) N.T. Wright
9.) Some things by R.C. Sproull
10.) The Caroline Divines
For starters.

[90] Posted by archangelica on 08-08-2008 at 08:40 AM • top

See, archangelica, you did not need my help anyway!  ; > )

Seriously, when I put my smiley face next to a comment, it actually does mean that I’m really smiling when I write.

[91] Posted by Sarah on 08-08-2008 at 08:44 AM • top

Sarah,
Thank you for your excellent response. A difference in our view points appears to be that your definition of the Anglican Communion is narrower than mine.  When I say Anglican Communion I probably mean churches that follow the Anglican traditions and teachings.  Your definition seems to say that if you do not go through Canterbury, you are not in the Anglican Communion.  Mine is more that if one follows the traditions and teachings of the Anglican churches, which may at one time in the ancient trail of Apostolic Succession, gone through Canterbury or even Rome, but yet follow the ‘faith as given to the saints’ you remain in communion with the vast majority of Anglicans world wide.  No matter who the ABC invites or does not invite to Lambeth. So it appears that I should have written ‘Anglican communion’ and not ‘Anglican Communion’. 

If I chose to become part of a Diocese that is spiritually and theologically robust in the Anglican tradition, it matters not whether the ABC invites my bishop to Lambeth.

To remain in the theological cesspool of TEC is , I believe, hazardous in the extreme to one’s eternal salvation.

[92] Posted by Sheep75002 on 08-08-2008 at 09:59 AM • top

Good list Archangelica #90,
I would add “Death on a Friday Afternoon” by Richard John Neuhaus.  Good stuff anytime but a great read during Holy Week.

[93] Posted by Old Soldier on 08-08-2008 at 10:26 AM • top

Archangelica, you might try some C. S. Lewis.  The revisionists still like to claim him culturally and have often not realized (surprisingly) that his orthodox tenets are not the same as what they hear in church today.  Some of the Roman Catholic priests might work if your parish is open to them; this can appeal to the Episcopal Church’s avowed interest in ecumenism and, again, to a certain unaccountable arrogance about being in step with Catholicism.  I tried presenting the great Dietrich Bonhoeffer in an Episcopal group, but the members were greatly put off by the thought that they should not seek “cheap grace”—and also by some of his other conservative views that we embrace.  (But nobody can downplay his greatness in standing up to the Nazis.) I know that some might not want to consider some of Henri Nouwen, the Catholic priest who came to work with the handicapped in Canada.  (Some Episcopalians have tried to cast him as gay, but since he was outspokenly celibate and accepting of Roman Catholic tenets, it is a bum claim.)  Nobody can discount the Christian love (and orthodoxy) in his works on the handicapped at L’Arche.  Finally, N. T. Wright is generally a good choice.

[94] Posted by Paula on 08-08-2008 at 10:47 AM • top

If your reading group is interested in poetry, there is a good opportunity in studying the works of Gerard Manley Hopkins, first an Anglican and then a Roman Catholic priest.  (There are also study guides that can help with him and pair him with other figures in church history.)  As for earlier poets, of course there’s an abundance, and some of the greatest are named above.

[95] Posted by Paula on 08-08-2008 at 10:59 AM • top

I am asking seriously if we do not admit that the United States parishes that are now under, say, the Southern Cone or Uganda (or others) are indeed missions or entities in the Anglican Communion—when they are accepted as such by the provinces which have received them.  Even the ABC’s last Advent message appears to include them:

” . . . several within The Episcopal Church, including a significant number of bishops and some diocesan conventions, have clearly distanced themselves from the prevailing view in their province as expressed in its public policies and declarations.  This includes the bishops who have committed themselves to the proposals of the Windsor Report in their Camp Allen conference, as well as OTHERS WHO HAVE LOOKED FOR MORE RADICAL SOLUTIONS.  Without elaborating on the practical implications of this or the complicated and diverse politics of the situation, it is obvious that such dioceses and bishops cannot be regarded as deficient in recognisable faithfulness to the common deposit and the common language and practice OF THE COMMUNION.  If their faith and practice are recognised by other churches in the Communion as representing the common mind of the Anglican Church, THEY ARE CLEARLY IN FELLOWSHIP WITH THE COMMUNION.”

It appears more accurate to me to say that they are indeed part of the provinces that have received them—and as such must, somehow, be part of the same Communion.  I realize that their exact status has not been decided and that, therefore, there have been attempts to put them more clearly under all-Communion authority (as proposed at Dar and now under the pastoral forum).  But I think it is going too far to say that they are not in the Communion though they are received by Communion members.

[96] Posted by Paula on 08-08-2008 at 11:26 AM • top

[90] archangelica

Some things by R.C. Sproul

OK, so ‘Last Days According to Jesus’ is a frustrating book with no apparent thesis.  And RC Sproul is not a presuppositional apologist so we can at least understand why he would write “Classical Apologetics.”  But otherwise, his books in my experience are uniformly excellent.  So why only ‘some?’

carl

[97] Posted by carl on 08-08-2008 at 04:46 PM • top

All business as usual in the Anglican Communion. The real news, that very few have picked up on, it that the homosexuality has entered the reception process of the Anglican Communion - on a fast track.

[98] Posted by Festivus on 08-20-2008 at 10:51 AM • top

Sarah…certainly we are all appreciative of the efforts of you all to report to the rest of us….ref comment 70…to leave or to stay within TEC…it really is such a personal decision, based on so many different items..who you are, where you are spiritually and physically, what you believe, where your responsibilities lie..but the comment/recommendation Sarah made ref networking..to stay or not to stay is perhaps not as important as the friendships that tie all of us who are conservatives together..and the support that we are able to give each other despite the church we have chosen to attend..Jesus is our Lord.

[99] Posted by ewart-touzot on 08-25-2008 at 09:41 PM • top

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