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[Updated] Bishop Dan Edwards, Diocese of Nevada, Offers Encouraging Words to StandFirm

Monday, March 23, 2009 • 5:42 pm


[Update: It appears that Bishop Edwards also thinks us “angry.”  I am quite sure that we are—Ferociously Angry—and the reason why we don’t feel it is because we have also Repressed Our Negative Feelings.  But more painful still than all of our Pawing-Rage and Horn-Shaking and Snout-Snorting-and-Blowing—even more shattering in fact than this sudden realization that we’re all Angry—is that poor Bishop Edwards believes “almost all of our dioceses have adhered to the moratorium on “authorizing same sex blessings” and he furthermore knows “of only one diocese that disavows the moratoria.”]

Bishop Dan Edwards, new bishop of Nevada—“an exciting, creative, trail-blazing diocese” according to Edwards, but a place where he has some work to do—has graciously let everybody know that he reads denounced StandFirm and offered us some incredibly encouraging words, to boot.  He deems us “unsavory.”

Now, it’s true, if Allan Haley, Brad Drell, Tim Fountain, or Kendall Harmon—you know, people whose minds and faith we respected—called us an “unsavory” blog, we’d be sawing on the old veins and pouring the ashes over one another’s heads, not necessarily in that order.

But for someone like Bishop Edwards to call us unsavory—well, it’s high praise indeed and proves that blessings can happen even on Mondays!

Bishop Edwards comes with all of the attributes and graces, character and gifts that one would expect of an Episcopal bishop who thinks StandFirm is unsavory.  You see, someone who wishes to “consolidate Bishop Katharine’s achievements” in Nevada and who actually “had a dialogue” with “acclaimed Hindu statesman Rajan Zed” in a “remarkable interfaith gesture” . . . well that’s just our sort.  This is a man whose values at his previous congregation were “promotes servant leadership, Millennium Development Goals, and racial reconciliation… and enjoys warm friendships with the people of his diverse, inclusive congregation.”  This is a man who offered all of his skills—completely savory skills, I’m certain—to “Atlanta’s diocesan Committee on Same Sex Blessings.”  His consecration—a model of good taste—included “Episcopal bishops, local interfaith leaders, native American “smudgers” and drummers, choirs and churchgoers from throughout Nevada” and many other luminaries I’m sure.

One can hardly imagine the joy and honor it is to be deemed an “unsavory” blog by the likes of the bishop of Nevada.

My heart leaps within me and sings a new song.

But covering ourselves in glory by getting yet another revisionist Episcopal bishop to deem us unsavory is not the really truly important issue.  After all, revisionist Episcopal bishops are a dime a dozen, and while it’s great to be recognized, it’s just not the Central Question that needs to be answered.  As I posted over at T19, the really important question—the far more serious one—is this.

I wonder if perhaps the bishop of Nevada might add to his description with some other compliments, some other favorable words.

Is it possible that he could think me . . .  The Very Meanest Blogger Ever?

Perhaps he will weigh in on this important issue.  All of us have wondered.

I think that if the bishop of Nevada.  Or the Buddhist bishop elect.  Or Bishop Robinson.  Or Bishop Spong.  Or choose from any of the bishops participating in Bishop Edwards consecration—all of them shining lights of some-sort-of-religion . . . if any of those worthies might possibly bring himself to offer me that title, my cup of joy would overflow and I should go to my grave happy.

So think about it. 

Read a few past posts. 

Ponder my comments—Uninclusively Cruel in their direct quotes of foolish “arguments”, Mean-Spirited in their rationales, Deeply Divisive in their constant pointings out of various incoherencies and inconsistencies from our Worthy Opponents . . .

I could be it.

I could be The Very Meanest Blogger Ever.

If the bishop of Nevada could possibly mention me — and make some sort of assertion like that in a public way . . . I would be forever grateful. 

Let’s not stop at little old StandFirm—that’s too general and vague anyway—people might not know what you’re talking about—and it’s as indirect as other bishops mentioning “fasting from the Divisive Internets” of a few years ago.  It leaves people confused and muddled.

No, let’s get a little more pointed, a little more direct, a little more personal.

Let’s mention . . . The Meanest Most Divisive Most Cruelest Blogger Ever. . . . And I think we all know who that is.

Why not go ahead and send over the award specify it in a more particular manner.


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It does bring a small glitter of a delicate tear to one’s eye don’t it.

[1] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 03-23-2009 at 07:19 PM • top

Sarah

I could be The Very Meanest Blogger Ever.

To be the “The Very Meanest Blogger Ever,” you would have to be a Calvinist.  Self-described dolphin-like Arminianesque flower children just aren’t mean.  So you will need to start reading Jonathan Edwards and JI Packer and RC Sproul, or Matt will pretty much have that title all to himself.  (;-) <—- Insert winking smile here)

carl

[2] Posted by carl on 03-23-2009 at 07:42 PM • top

MP, your comments over here are the light of my dreary life (I don’t think either of us has come up with a new argument in a long time), and to know that Bp. Edwards reads Stand Firm likewise warms my heart. I read Inch at a Time now and then, but have never left a comment since I’m sure it would be deleted. And, I don’t need hate e-mail.

Dear Bp. Edwards - please light up Sarah’s dreary life and have at her with all you’ve got. You obviously know how.

[3] Posted by Ralph on 03-23-2009 at 07:44 PM • top

Greetings from Sierra Anglican Church in Reno, NEVADA.  I suspect the remarks of the good bishop are a result of the past weekend article here (http://www.rgj.com/article/20090322/NEIGHBORHOODS08/903220306) as well as the success of our NEVADA AMiA plant (and Choose This Day Video link) here (http://www.sierra-anglican.org). 
Rumor has it, TEC-PB is due in town in the coming week. Video to follow.

[4] Posted by ama-anglican on 03-23-2009 at 07:45 PM • top

II Corinthians 2:15-16 comes to mind in this case, KJV:
“For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?”

[5] Posted by Theodora on 03-23-2009 at 07:50 PM • top

My comment at Titus: I wonder if he thinks that Titus 1:9 is also “unsavory”? Feelings are apparently the main reason that he wants to repeal B033. Yet, what about the SF crew’s feelings? They must be feeling really hurt right now to be called “unsavory.”

Well, gaging from Sarah’s giddiness, I don’t think the SF crew is “feeling really hurt.”

Sarah linked the diocesan stat page. The tiny diocese is down to an ASA of just over 2,000. Of course, they can thank Ms Schori who managed to drive down membership when the state led the country year after year in general population increase. Really an impressive feat. “Bishop Dan” wants to carry on what “Bishop Katherine” started? Just keep driving parishioners away, Dan!

[6] Posted by robroy on 03-23-2009 at 07:51 PM • top

Yikes! A crossed stole! [grin]

More seriously, maybe - JUST MAYBE - when KJS comes to DioNV, she will join Bishop Dan in denouncing Stand Firm and (above all) Blessed Sarah. We can only hope.

[7] Posted by Ralph on 03-23-2009 at 07:51 PM • top

From Reno Gazette Jounal newspaper article link (#5)above, “Edwards said membership in the Episcopal Church has grown “significantly” in his 11/2 years in Nevada. In 2007, the diocesan membership was 5,720, according to their parochial reports.”

Anyone have access to ASA Stats for NEVADA???

[8] Posted by ama-anglican on 03-23-2009 at 07:52 PM • top

LOL let’s own our anger.

And can we give reciprocal awards for most over-compensated church-shrinking incompetent in a purple shirt?

How about best expression of denial in the face of church decline and division?

How about most time devoted to self-serving stuff while neglecting one’s own diocese?

Oh, there are so many to think up… who can we get to host the 1st annual HOBOS (House of Bishops Only Awards) show?

[9] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 03-23-2009 at 08:51 PM • top

#10-
How about we bring in Dana Carvey as the Church Lady as guest emcee?
Or John Cleese.

[10] Posted by tjmcmahon on 03-23-2009 at 08:58 PM • top

Whenever you hear a revisionist Priest, Bishop or Lay person use the word “growth”, be prepared for a preverication.  They have lost membership and ADA over the last ten years. But you knew that before I told you.

I hope someone points this out to the newspaper. Don’t give him a pass.

http://12.0.101.92/reports/PR_ChartsDemo/exports/ParishRPT_323200995736PM.pdf

[11] Posted by Going Home on 03-23-2009 at 09:01 PM • top

Edwards said membership in the Episcopal Church has grown “significantly” in his 11/2 years in Nevada. In 2007, the diocesan membership was 5,720, according to their parochial reports.

He must mean significant growth in declining membership.

When can we have StandFirm t-shirts to wear at all our church functions?

[12] Posted by martin5 on 03-23-2009 at 09:34 PM • top

“And can we give reciprocal awards for most over-compensated church-shrinking incompetent in a purple shirt?

How about best expression of denial in the face of church decline and division?

How about most time devoted to self-serving stuff while neglecting one’s own diocese?”

Oh, there are so many to think up… who can we get to host the 1st annual HOBOS (House of Bishops Only Awards) show?

I love this plan- anyone have another idea as to what to call the trophies? HOBOS is a great starting point.

[13] Posted by vu82 on 03-23-2009 at 09:43 PM • top

<b>BLOG ON!<b>
<b>Meanest, Most Divisive, Most Cruelest, Blogger Ever!!<b>
<b>You guys ROCK for Jesus!!!<b>
Pax

[14] Posted by r3ussell on 03-23-2009 at 09:44 PM • top

Maybe the
HIJAAKS

or the

PRAVDAS

lol

[15] Posted by vu82 on 03-23-2009 at 09:48 PM • top

We could call it the “All Inclusive Love’ Special Awards Or the AILS Awards for short.
AILS for greatest decline ....

[16] Posted by martin5 on 03-23-2009 at 09:55 PM • top

#12   Going Home, have you checked the charts for DioCNY lately?

[17] Posted by Cennydd on 03-23-2009 at 10:36 PM • top

and he furthermore knows “of only one diocese that disavows the moratoria.”]

I’m sorry, but this statement reveals an ocean of ignorance. Is Bishop Dan really saying he’s unaware of:

Los Angeles:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/18461

El Camino Real:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/18092

Atlanta:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/17977

Maine:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/17477

Chicago:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/7496

...or the “Minority Report”?
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/454

Seriously… is a bishop of the Episcopal Church really trying to claim that a) he’s ignorant of these facts, or that b) they don’t represent “disavowal”?

[18] Posted by Greg Griffith on 03-23-2009 at 10:40 PM • top

The part that really made me gag was when Father Dan, commenting on his own blog, gushingly thanked his commenters (who seem to have been captured by the Venus Flytrap of ‘Gentle Endless Process)’ for their ‘gentle deliberative tone’ which equaled the “tone and quality of our best discourse at Lambeth.”

I would rather eat seven large jalapenos stuffed with cheese and deep-fried than to read such -and I mean this most kindly and gently- drivel. The jalapenos are easier on the stomach.

I would comment on the theological substance of his remarks, but have you ever tried to nail jello to the wall?

[19] Posted by richard reed on 03-23-2009 at 10:41 PM • top

martin5,

What did you have in mind?

[20] Posted by Greg Griffith on 03-23-2009 at 10:42 PM • top

T-Shirts with your logo, “Be on your guard, Stand firm in the faith etc.”.

[21] Posted by martin5 on 03-23-2009 at 11:12 PM • top
[22] Posted by Greg Griffith on 03-23-2009 at 11:17 PM • top

No. But I will check it out tomorrow. I am missing something. Where do you advertise?

[23] Posted by martin5 on 03-23-2009 at 11:25 PM • top

We used to advertise our store items in the top banner slot. We’ll probably start cycling those ads back through pretty soon.

[24] Posted by Greg Griffith on 03-23-2009 at 11:49 PM • top

You could just have a button that says store beside PVT
MSG. That would connect us to the store .... but that would probably mean a lot of work. I still like your “be on your guard ... with your logo”. Sorry for the diversion in topic.

[25] Posted by martin5 on 03-23-2009 at 11:57 PM • top

I do own a Stand Firm tee.  I need to start wearing it more often!  smile

[26] Posted by Jill C. on 03-24-2009 at 12:19 AM • top

From 2002 through 2007 Nevada lost Members, ASA , and Plate & Pledge in “real” dollars. But they did better (lost less) than about 70 other dioceses. But the diocese has a high percentage (80) of Small churches (Plate & Pledge less than $150,000). These Small churches will not leave as groups; can’t afford it. But, they will be very vulnerable to losses as the result of competition with ACNA. I suspect that this is why Bishop Edwards is so hyper about “border crossing”. But now it will not be by African Primates or the Southern Cone. It will be by home-grown ACNA churches.    Statmann

[27] Posted by Statmann on 03-24-2009 at 12:48 AM • top

Sarah!!  You promised to lay off the shameless begging!!  (Oh, wait, you didn’t promise.  Never mind.)  Just because TBWSantaFe wouldn’t throw you in the briar patch is no excuse to pander to +Edwards.  Although I do think one thing might push him over the edge.  You could do what Pagentmaster did at T19 -  remind him about “the hat”!
http://www.stfrancismacon.com/images/FatherDan6.jpg
Ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

[28] Posted by Milton on 03-24-2009 at 01:01 AM • top

Ignored again.  Sarah’s going to the prom and I’m sitting home alone blasting the Sex Pistols through my parents’ record player over and over.  What do you have to do to be condemned around here?  :-(

[29] Posted by Christopher Johnson on 03-24-2009 at 01:48 AM • top

In the first article linked in #5, Bishop Edwards said,“The Episcopal Church is absolutely committed to the Christian tradition contained in the Holy Scriptures and ancient creed.” 
Yet, in the AAC’s document Tearing the Fabric of Communion to Shreds, contradictions to that statement are catalogued.  Is Bp Edwards unaware of these?

[30] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 03-24-2009 at 03:03 AM • top

Fr. Tim, #14, that would be a very easy show to produce, but the acronym should be - HOBOS: House Of Bishops (in name) Only Show.

Judging among the finalists would be a tough assignment due to so much competition and ready examples.

[31] Posted by Theodora on 03-24-2009 at 05:58 AM • top

THANKS for making this Monday-feelin’ Tuesday into a slidin’-inta-da-weekend feel like a Thursday (can’t say Friday - gotta work tomorrow), you unsavory blog-supportin’ son of a gun you. Nice to be recognized, ain’t it…

[32] Posted by Amazed&Graced; on 03-24-2009 at 06:46 AM • top

I think that if ... Bishop Spong ... might possibly bring himself to offer me that title, my cup of joy would overflow and I should go to my grave happy.

Vaulting ambition, which o’erleaps itself…

[33] Posted by Michael D on 03-24-2009 at 06:51 AM • top

Seriously… is a bishop of the Episcopal Church really trying to claim that a) he’s ignorant of these facts, or that b) they don’t represent “disavowal”?

Greg,
I think you missed the memo from the diocese of Ottawa, in which SSBs are no longer defined as “a violation of a moratorium” but are now “a continuation of discernment.” Only one diocese is violating the moratorium on SSBs.  The other 59 allowing SSBs are just continuing their discernment.

[34] Posted by tjmcmahon on 03-24-2009 at 07:07 AM • top

The Southern Cone’s takeover of San Joaquin???????  ++Venables must be confronted about his annexations of portions of TEO.  How can he write such blatant lies?

I did notice that he isn’t quite sure how to spell ‘conskienshius’  but he did make two good stabs at it.

[35] Posted by Bill C on 03-24-2009 at 08:07 AM • top

Dear Candidate for Very Meanest Blogger Ever,

In our search process, we have devised a simple test. Please open your Revisionist dictionary (http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/4889) and compose an additional entry defining “Mean Blogger.”

Your response will be respectfully Indaba-ed, ranked, and forwarded to our judges, who being non-judgemental and full of integrity will be certain to give your application their deepest contemplation.

[36] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 03-24-2009 at 08:20 AM • top

30 Don’t fret CJ it seems as if +Nevada is just full of Ubuntu…

[37] Posted by Soy City Priest on 03-24-2009 at 08:35 AM • top

#29 Milton - It’s a fine hat…and I want one, but with that Georgia sun-bleached, stone washed, slept in by the cat look.

[38] Posted by Pageantmaster ن on 03-24-2009 at 08:35 AM • top

I hereby nominate Sarah for the Fried Squid Award.  The criteria are 1)being a big fat meany 2)saying things that hurt the feelings of the powedered and pampered revisionist bishops 3) Pointing out soft and squishy theology 4) And finally, not being dolphin-like.

[39] Posted by Looking for Leaders on 03-24-2009 at 08:39 AM • top

“Now accepting the award for the MEANEST BLOGGER EVER”...Sarah Hey!!

Speeeeeech!!  Speeeechhh!

[40] Posted by B. Hunter on 03-24-2009 at 09:07 AM • top

“our Pawing-Rage and Horn-Shaking and Snout-Snorting-and-Blowing”  SOL! (snorting out loud)

[41] Posted by Cathy_Lou on 03-24-2009 at 09:07 AM • top

well done my good and faithful servant

[42] Posted by ewart-touzot on 03-24-2009 at 09:15 AM • top

# 3 (Carl)

I agree with you 100%  One cannot be the Meanest, Most Divisisve, Most Cruelest Blogger ever without having (correctly) used the word “Supralapsarian” in a post.

[43] Posted by Fine Young Calvinist on 03-24-2009 at 10:33 AM • top

“Bishop” Dan:

So here’s the problem. The moratorium on same sex blessings is not likely to survive forever…

Indeed.

[44] Posted by Scott Boykin on 03-24-2009 at 10:37 AM • top

Sarah, it’s good to live into your woundedness. 

I’m pretty unsavory, too, and proud of it. 

So, is the repressed, passive-aggressive version of anger better?  Methinks the good bishop is actually honked off that more people read StandFirm than contribute to ASA in his diocese…

Well, put forth a Christian message instead of that Heinz-57 psuedointellectual thing and maybe the ASA and plate/pledge will increase. 

DUH

[45] Posted by Passing By on 03-24-2009 at 10:56 AM • top

[11] tjmcmahon,

My wife, an accomplished seamstress, would probably be delighted to make the tea cozy cum mitre {insert smiley here} if we could get Cleese. Particularly, if she and I could meet him in the process, however briefly.

Blessings and regards,
Keith Toepfer

[46] Posted by Militaris Artifex on 03-24-2009 at 11:51 AM • top

From #5’s press link:
As part of the Anglican Communion, Edwards said the doctrine of the Episcopal Church is the Apostles Creed and Nicene Creed. Anglicans believe in the Trinity, the humanity and divinity of Christ, the virginity of Mary, salvation through Christ and everlasting heaven and hell.

“No, we’re still Christians,” he said. “The Episcopal Church is absolutely committed to the Christian tradition contained in the Holy Scriptures and ancient creed.”

Whew, I was worried there for a minute.  OK, three decades but who’s counting.  grin

Peace,
- miserable sinner

[47] Posted by miserable sinner on 03-24-2009 at 05:40 PM • top

The meaniest bloggers ever were found on the now defunct “Father Jake” site.  I sent a lot of fence-straddlers there and without exception they embraced the conservatice side to avoid being associated with the type of folks found there.  I hated to see him go away.

[48] Posted by bornagainanglican on 03-24-2009 at 09:28 PM • top

I couldn’t agree more bornagainanglican. Someone suggested I go there and I did periodically to read what the left was saying. After awhile, I couldn’t go there for my own spiritual welfare. They were really mean there.

[49] Posted by martin5 on 03-24-2009 at 10:20 PM • top

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