Canon Kearon…um…“revises” the WCG Report

Three points I’d like to make about DES:
1. Lambeth 1.10 was restated as the Communion standard on sexual behavior.
2. There was explicit language that in the future, requests that the bishops “will not authorise any Rite of Blessing for same-sex unions in their dioceses or through General Convention.”
3. Also urged TEC to suspend all actions in law, property disputes, etc.

Within all these points, there was the expressed understanding that before interventions can stop, there would be a new pastoral oversight scheme, spelled out in detail, for those who cannot continue in TEC. So tell me, where has this been provided? At every turn, TEC continues to break promises. TEC and KJS’ words have been proven to be worthless. Why isn’t the ACC calling TEC to account? Instead, they focus on an item that is clearly a quid pro quo, yet hasn’t been carried out by TEC. New day, same story by the Anglican Communion.

I think at some points both those inside and outside of TEC must recognize two realities.

For those on the inside.

Windsor is a joke. KJS is on the standing committee of the primates which is probably the most important decision making body in the communion. TEC has participated significantly at every level of the communion. If you believe that TEC will be disciplined you are living in a fantasy world.  TEC is more influential now than in was in 2003.  For them to be disciplined it would require each instrument of communion to create or adjust their constitutions in such a way that only those who sign the covenant are a part of that particular instrument of communion.  This could only happen after each province has signed on in 2014.  So maybe we are looking at 220 before all the instruments could implement the changes.  Not going to happen.  The only thing that could happen is that TEC could decide to leave the communion.  How is that a biblical response to heresy?  The arians got tired of that stuffy ancient church and left?  That solution is not worthy of a church.  If the AC can’t state clearly that homosexual marriage is wrong and a cause of breaking fellowship it gets what it deserves.

To those on the outside

We will never be treated fairly or consistently by the powers that be in the communion.  They do not recognize us.  They probably will not recognize us. I am willing to bet the Anglican Communion would lose all of GAFCON before they recognize us.  It has been stated over and over by every official statement/body in the communion. Call it what you want about who and what is Anglican, but England obviously owns the franchise.  Those in Communion with CofE will be known by most as the real Anglican communion. If we leave, even if it is justified, it will be another division in the church.  One the criticisms of protestantism is that we divide. We will be showing that to be true again…

So we are left with the options of either a hazy connection to the Anglican Communion via GAFCON primates or a clear connection to an undisciplined Anglican Communion via an attachment with a heretical TEC.  I am not sure either situation is all that great.

1.  Again, I say this - once TEC and EC of Canada quit coming to the table for continuing to defy the Windsor report and I’m sure Uganda will give up their 1 representative.
2.  The constitution is pitiful - it does not define what a “qualified” candidate is, nor does it define who can rule or define this.  So the standing committee took it upon itself to do this…and frankly this isn’t “over the top”.
3.  This sort of thing really makes the church look bad.

B. Hunter,
I would correct you on a point of order.  As the entire ACC was in session, the standing committee had no standing to rule on anything. It should have been the first agenda item for the first plenary session of the ACC, and the “committee of the whole” should have dealt with it in a floor vote.  Assuming that the Parliamentarian judged that there was ANY authority whatsoever under the constitution.

And as it is the “Joint” standing committee, it had less authority to do what it did. If any standing committee was to vote, it should have been ONLY the ACC standing committee (or the ACC members of the joint committee). And this is the second time that KJS has voted on the JSC in matters that required her to recuse herself (not that she should be there at all). 

The precedent has now been set that will allow KJS with the aid of the JSC to eject Primates from the Primates meeting.  Watch and learn. She has now done in the Communion what she accomplished in her first arbitrary deposition in TEC.

Although the WCG was of little procedural consequence - if Canon Kearon is emboldened to be so very dishonest, with no official voice of contradiction - well, to repeat the old saw:

Anglican Communion + Fork

Some assembly required.

Sitting at a table with KJS should only occur after she has gotten on her face before God and yeilded herself and her organization to God’s mercy and correction and His Word in unconditional and abject repentance.  Period. 

Shori should not be included in Communion business until this criteria has been met.

When RW ushered her around and placed her in leadership, he violated his credibility and the integrity of the Communion and at that point, it became a farce. 

RW has continued to misdirect all due process and attention from the truth.  He has turn every meeting and function of the AC, including Lambeth into a ludicrous and expensive charade - these people are only power-mongering, playing at being leaders and posturing for the public. 

There is no spiritual value left in the AC.  The Lord of the Church and the real Presence and charism of the Holy Spirit was not valued and has been quenched by attempts at counterfeit, subvert and mis-use God’s Name and His people.  The glory of The Holy Spirit has departed.

How is an unconstitutional seizure of power any different from making it up and calling it sacred? The Communion itself is gnostic. There is no longer apostolic succession. Laying on of hands doesn’t mean squat except symbolically. If the symbolism doesn’t mean squat neither does the the legitimacy of the Communion. The idea of staying in the anglican communion assumes there is apostolic succession. If there is not succession except in fantasy then what is the point?

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The precedent has now been set that will allow KJS with the aid of the JSC to eject Primates from the Primates meeting.  Watch and learn. She has now done in the Communion what she accomplished in her first arbitrary deposition in TEC.

We have seen her becoming the Pope of TEC. With the ABC so passive, there is a power vacuum at the heart of the communion, it seems, and she is eager to fill it.

One more reason to leave the rotten corpse and move on!

3. Also urged TEC to suspend all actions in law, property disputes, etc.

And Her Highness agreed to it, too. How many lawsuits have been initiated by TEC since Dar es Salaam?

What our “leaders” are doing is pure crap.  It violates every basic that Jesus taught.  They should be concerned about why the church is hemorrhaging millions of <i>individuals<> who are crossing the borders of denominations and into the land of the unchurched, not just those parishes and dioceses are understand why and are trying to prevent a full bleed-out.  Instead, our “leaders” are too concerned about territory and the “brand” of Anglican, property, and the money of dead people.  This is why I’m ashamed to tell people that I’m an Episcopalian. 

And before the why-haven’t-you-left types raise their fingers to the keyboard - because God hasn’t told me too yet.  When HE says go, I’ll go.  Until then, I’m serving Him here.

Darn, forgot to preview.  itals end after individuals.  Oh, well…..

I’m gonna tell, you said “crap.”

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Socrates

Sorry, but what The Lakeland Two says is “crap” really IS crap!

More modest and courteous Christian comments we can be proud of on this thread I see.  What must people coming in to read us think?

Off topic, Christ Johnson’s MCJ (The Midwest Conservative Journal) is down at the moment. Backup: http://mcjbackup.blogspot.com/

#17, “people coming in to read us” will certainly notice the anger being expressed by victims of the hijacking of a formerly Christian church which is now TEO, the ultra-left political playpen.  Although you and others might prefer a subdued and reserved “courteous Christian” expression of that anger, the blatant lying, arrogant abrogation of written commitments, and imperious, make-rules-as-we-go dictatorial behavior of TEO, documented on this and other current SF threads, is hardly Christian or even courteous.  Surely those who have not yet left TEO can be forgiven for venting anger at the most un-Christian behavior of their Popess and her minions, each new episode of that endless and escalating behavior a new reminder of the hijacking.  Those like me, who have already left, share their anger, although with less intensity as the years pass.

Kevin at Anglican TV is also having an ACC emergency.  His videographer was denied press privileges, so he needs financial help to be able to fly down and document this debacle.  He’s asking everyone who enjoys Anglican TV coverage to donate 10 dollars.

http://babybluecafe.blogspot.com/ has the story and a link to donate to Anglican TV.

Canon Kearon has once again shown himself to be untrustworthy.  This is yet one more instance of an attempt at maintaining a colonial type control of the AC by western elites.  But the desperate measures to which Kearon and his ilk are increasingly driven serves to accelerate the undermining of their legitimacy in the eyes of more and more people. 

This is further evidence, if any be needed, that the process that the visionary +Bob Duncan the Lion-Hearted described a year ago on the eve of GAFCON as a momentous shift from the old, obsolete Elizabethan or “Reformation Settlement” to a whole new “Global, Post-Colonial Settlement” is well underway.  And I do believe that its momentum is unstoppable.

So I’m afraid I must dissent from the rather pessimistic comment of commoncausepriest (#2).  The mother church, the CoE, and Canterbury by no means “own the franchise.”  England owned the franchise during the heyday of the British Empire.  Yes, surely then it did.  But those days are over, or fading quickly into just a memory.  And the sort of obvious foolishmess and pathetic disingenuousness that Kearon+ is engaging in will hasten the demise of the western control of the ACO.

Let’s remember that it’s not over until it’s really over.  This ACC meeting has only just begun.  There may yet be a backlash against the haughty pretensions of the JSC and the liberal, dishonest, untrustworthy manipulators who run the ACO.

David Handy+

Canon Kearon has once again shown himself to be untrustworthy.  This is yet one more instance of an attempt at maintaining a colonial type control of the AC by western elites.

And there is no reason whatsoever to think that this is ever going to change. Canon Kearon is a law unto himself, presumably with the full support of the ABC, just as KJS is. It doesn’t matter what is right, what the written policy is - just what they want. We have a papacy of a sort now, which seems to leave the ABC out of the picture, again presumably his choice. Let the little children have their way.

David Handy+, I have asked the question about TEC’s imginary franchise several times on this blog, and have never gotten the absolute truth in return.  Unless someone can show me proof in writing from the Primates themselves that TEC owns the franchise for the Communion in this country, I will continue to dispute it.  Yes, I know all about the “one country, one province” situation, but no one has ever shown why a parallel province of faithful Anglican Christians cannot exist….the practice being that TEC will tolerate no competition or opposition, and therefore KJS’ dictatorial attitude towards anyone who dares to speak in opposition to her.

The fix is in, like it always is.

When TEC stops crossing the border in Central America, Asia, Phillipines, etc. then maybe, just maybe, I’ll listen to them about cross border disputes.  But until they admit that Hondorous, Taiwan, etc should be given to the proper Provinces, rather than building the World Wide TEC church, they have no place to complain about dual Provinces in the same geographical territory.

Unless and until:

1 - Dr. Williams and TEC’s PB and their apparatchiks get out, or
2 - Orthodox rise up en masse, or
3 - The sovereign hand of God engages an action against those who pronounce the rampant heresies being passed around as truth

we will be talking about this kind of thing until the western arm of the AC collapses upon itself.

we will be talking about this kind of thing until the western arm of the AC collapses upon itself.

OK, so what will we be talking about next week?

25   Jtcmbc, that is exactly what I was referring to!

How DARE they bitch about others crossing boundaries when they’re guilty of doing the very same thing in other countries!

#27, “what will we be talking about next week?”  Sadly, nothing that will produce any real results.  The ultra-left is in total control of TEO for at least the next 10 years, which makes the “inside strategy” a fond hope and nothing more, because the “inside strategists” have no control of the TEO levers of power and money, and they have no way to get it, and no money even to fight for some splinter of control. 

The COE and the northern hemisphere AC are becoming clones of TEO, due in no small part to TEO’s money.  The continuing churches are too splintered, and too few and far between, to have other than local effect for the members of each parish. 

Given the TEO strategy of suing leavers forever, the prospect of the leavers gaining much more than financial martyrdom, is slim to none. 

So we can talk next week about whatever, you, me, and the others on SF and similar blogs, but we won’t save TEO from itself, and as far as I am concerned, there’s nothing left worth saving. 

Just get out.  The longer you are out, the less the talk matters. 

Enjoy your spring garden.  There is more evidence of God’s “truth unchanged, unchanging” there than in TEO.

  The longer you are out, the less the talk matters. 

No offense but -  you are still here talking?

Cenydd, as you well know the cross-border operations of TEC have been welcomed by the the territories involved and WITH their permission.  By contrast, the cross-boundry crossings of Uganda, Nigeria, Kenya etc. were not welcomed, and the provinces involved were so specifically told.  Here is the substance of the difference.  There is nothing new here from the middle ages, wandering clergy accountable to no one or some one, and if dissatisfied with their own bishop or province, moving on to one they would prefer.  It was poor policy then and it is now.  If the primates accept this from Ugnada, they are leaving themselves wide open for a similar move in their provinces, for whatever the reason as they have accepted the precedent.  Frankly, I don’t think they’re that dumb.  As you recall, there was much debate regarding TEC compliance with the Windsor requests as announced by the ABC in his poling of them, but the cross-boundry invasions, all the primates, save those doing the invading, disapproved.  In the case of the Anglican Church of Canada, and TEC, some moratoria have been holding, by contrast, regarding the cross-boundry incursions, the incursions have increased.

Emily, there is someone serving a population of Anglicans who are not being served by TEC.

EmilyH, with the creation of the Anglican Church in North America, the cross-boundary “incursions” are no longer necessary.  We have accomplished what we set out to do, and we are growing.  Schori and Company can complain all they want, but we are not going to fold up our tents and go away.  We are here to stay, and she is going to have to get used to that fact.  You know as well as I do that TEC cannot bear the idea of competition, but that “competition,” if you care to call it that, is not going to go away, and it is going to continue to grow.  Nothing can stop us.

Emily, Emily when will you understand that none of the ‘invading provinces’ were actually invading..  they were accepting requests from TEO individuals, congregations or dioceses for help -where do you get the idea that provinces like Ungada were invading?
In fact EVERY request for help from the USA and EVERY statement willingness from other provinces to help has the caveat that the help be ONLY a temporary measure.  Is +Schofield going to remain a Southern Cone bishop?  Nope, by the end of the summer he will be an ACNA bishop.

#31, yes, I do repeatedly try to make the point that TEO is beyond hope and one should move on somehow.  I am saddened to find some really good people still spending years of their lives and substantial intellectual effort trying save TEO when it is, by the unchangeable choice of its entrenched leaders, beyond saving.  So I try to make those points on SF, which perhaps is not worth the effort either.

As I said above, enjoy your spring garden.  Find God there.

“Emily, Emily when will you understand that none of the ‘invading provinces’ were actually invading..” I suppose it depends on whose ox is being gored…

Bill C, I might also add that Bishop Schofield, SSC, is one of the most highly regarded and respected bishops of Christ’s Church….all over the Communion (except, of course, for TEC).  I feel honored and privileged to know him as a true man of God.  Schori and Company aren’t fit to shine his shoes.

[32] EmilyH
“In the case of the Anglican Church of Canada, and TEC, some moratoria have been holding, by contrast, regarding the cross-boundry incursions, the incursions have increased.”

What criteria do you use, Emily?  I agree that there have been no partnered or practicing homosexuals consecrated as bishop.  Denying approval for SSB, and working toward the general approval - not so much.  TEC and ACoC have, by word and action, broken this particular “moratoria” over and over, and the incidents “have increased”.  Do you not know, or do you just refuse to see?  Or is this a case of “your sins are worse than ours…” sounds a bit like the pot continuing to call the kettle black, doesn’t it? 

If conservatives say that there is not a moral equivalent between border incursions (what a splendid spin that word gives) and sanctifying SSBs we get a load of guff from the left.  NOW it is OK for YOU to decide which is worse, and since TEC obviously holds the reins and the purse strings, you get your way.  Fine - have your way, but STOP trying to justify their actions - it can’t be done and you’re pleading to ears that you have deafened with your nonsense for years.  (Not you personally, Emily - the general “party line”, which you seem to support)

“Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bishop of Los Angeles, John “Flaky Bits” Bruno!”

I couldn’t help it…KTF!...mrb

Would someone please present Kearon with a list of:
All TEC bishops who had a gay marriage ceremony (1, just before Lambeth)
All of the TEC bishops who have participated in a gay marriage or SSB
All of the TEC bishops who permit gay marriage in their diocese
All the TEC bishops who take no action against parishes known (ie: listed by Integrity, etc.) to perform gay marriages and SSBs.
And especially, all bishops who have announced or acknowledged such behavior SINCE Lambeth and the WCG report (although the current ACC version of the report cited by Ruth and Anglican Mainstream seems much more realistic on these points at first glance, so I suspect delegates are getting a less biased view of the facts than Kearon+ gave them the other day).

“I’d like to open General Convention 2009 by introducing your Presiding Bishop and her Posse:  BeerKAT and the “FLAKY BITS”!!

Somebody stop me!....

KTF…mrb

Commoncausepriest, I share your angst. Neither alternative is perfect, but the choice is easy.

Simply don’t be a member of a denomination whose leaders deny Jesus Christ as Lord.

Angst from the priestess who tried to drag Anne Kennedy’s name through the mud
a couple of years ago:

(SNIP) Episcopal News Service—Kingston, Jamaica] The representatives of
the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC)) meeting here May 2-12 are considering whether to ask the member provinces of the worldwide communion of churches to sign onto the latest version of the proposed Anglican covenant.

(SNIP) Gomez told the representatives that “the communion is close to the
point of breaking up … The chance that the covenant offers to give something
to the communion as a description of what Anglicans care about … won’t last
much longer.”
(SNIP) Gomez linked the urgency of that timeframe to the July 8-17 meeting
of the Episcopal Church’s General
Convention and the recognition by conservative Anglican leaders and former Episcopalians of a proposed new Anglican entity in North America. He also said that “a number of primates” had told him that their governing bodies “are beginning to become impatient with the communion’s life if the communion can’t say something clear at this stage of its life.”

(COMMENT)

Impatient?  Impatient, is it?  The ‘beginnings of impatience’ among the
primates?

How rich!

These are the same guys who, when the issue was - or is - the ordination of
women, had/have no problem saying, “Tut, tut and there, there.  The
ordination of women is an ‘innovation’ in Western Christendom in general and
in Anglicanism in particular.  We must learn to be patient.  Why, this could
mean the break up of the communion.”

In fact, aren’t many of them still saying this with regards to the
ordination of women to the episcopacy?

But, when it comes to trying to ram this Covenant down our collective
Anglican throats, well, clearly, this is an ecclesiastical horse of a very
different color.

The primates also seem to be just a wee tad confused - or duplicitous.
Here, read this and you decide:

(SNIP) Isaacs said that his province was ready to adopt the covenant
immediately and suggested that other provinces could convene special
meetings to consider the covenant. Aspinall said that nothing prevented
immediate adoption, but that each province “will respectfully use its own
processes.” The Rt. Rev. Gregory Cameron, bishop of St. Asaph in the Church
in Wales and outgoing deputy secretary general of the Anglican Communion,
suggested that 15 to 20 provinces could adopt the covenant quickly.

Cameron also noted in response to another question that “at the moment there
is no linkage to signing the covenant” and participation in the life of the
communion. But, he added, “if a number of provinces were to adopt the
covenant, then I think naturally the question would be asked whether some
sort of assessment or change would have to take place.”

Cameron’s suggestion would appear to contradict Anglican Communion Secretary
General Kenneth Kearon’s May 2
comment<http://episcopalchurch.org/79901_107264_ENG_HTM.htm>that the
adoption process is not envisioned as one that would require “some
sort of substantial majority [of provinces to sign onto the covenant] by
which time it applies to everyone.” Kearon added that the covenant “would
only apply to those churches of the communion which decide to covenant.”

Hmmmm . . .  sounds more and more like “The Anglican Ultimatum” to me.

Kearon’s in the tank, Kearon’s bought and paid for, Kearon’s TEO’s bee-otch, etc.

Here’s a quick dose of the one thing necessary* for this battle:

http://anglicanprayer.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/perspective-from-the-scriptures/

* Luke 10:42