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CoE To Sweden On Advancing SSB & Marriage:  Don’t Do It

Monday, July 13, 2009 • 12:17 pm


Interesting report from the Daily Mail:
The Church of England warned last night that it is under pressure to accept gay marriage.
But two senior bishops - writing on behalf of the CofE - said it is not prepared to abandon its traditional teachings in favour of the idea of 'gender neutral' marriage.
They said that the Church of England considers 'it is vital for the Church to maintain a critical distance from the state and to resist what the state is doing if this is at odds with Scripture.'

The fears over same sex marriage were made public at a meeting of the Church's parliament, the General Synod.


The really interesting part, though, is the written response to Sweden:
We must however say that already, from the viewpoint of the Church of England, the existing practice in the Church of Sweden of blessing same-sex relationships was problematic, not least becase the same practice in one or two member churches of the Anglican Communion has led to divisions within our Communion. Although there is a continuing debate among Anglicans about human sexuality, the teaching and discipline of the Church of England, like that of the Anglican Communion as a whole as expressed in the Lambeth Conference of 1998, is that it is not right either to bless same-sex sexual relationships or to ordain those who are involved in them.

If we understand the situation in the Church orf Sweden correctly, what is now proposed appears to be a fundamental re-definition of the Christian doctrine of marriage and of basic Christian anthropology. This development might be seen as part of a wider shift within Western culture and theology to a position in which the idea of a fundamental distinction between the genders is seen as irrelevant and in which marriage is therefore seen as something that can and should be gender neutral. This position would be at odds with the biblical teaching about the significance of God's creation of human beings as male and female as this has been received by the Church of England and by the Catholic tradition in general. (Emphasis mine)
Wonder if a similar letter was sent to 815. ....
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CoE To Sweden On Advancing SSB & Marriage:  Don’t Do It

Monday, July 13, 2009 • 12:17 pm


Interesting report from the Daily Mail:
The Church of England warned last night that it is under pressure to accept gay marriage.
But two senior bishops - writing on behalf of the CofE - said it is not prepared to abandon its traditional teachings in favour of the idea of 'gender neutral' marriage.
They said that the Church of England considers 'it is vital for the Church to maintain a critical distance from the state and to resist what the state is doing if this is at odds with Scripture.'

The fears over same sex marriage were made public at a meeting of the Church's parliament, the General Synod.


The really interesting part, though, is the written response to Sweden:
We must however say that already, from the viewpoint of the Church of England, the existing practice in the Church of Sweden of blessing same-sex relationships was problematic, not least becase the same practice in one or two member churches of the Anglican Communion has led to divisions within our Communion. Although there is a continuing debate among Anglicans about human sexuality, the teaching and discipline of the Church of England, like that of the Anglican Communion as a whole as expressed in the Lambeth Conference of 1998, is that it is not right either to bless same-sex sexual relationships or to ordain those who are involved in them.

If we understand the situation in the Church orf Sweden correctly, what is now proposed appears to be a fundamental re-definition of the Christian doctrine of marriage and of basic Christian anthropology. This development might be seen as part of a wider shift within Western culture and theology to a position in which the idea of a fundamental distinction between the genders is seen as irrelevant and in which marriage is therefore seen as something that can and should be gender neutral. This position would be at odds with the biblical teaching about the significance of God's creation of human beings as male and female as this has been received by the Church of England and by the Catholic tradition in general. (Emphasis mine)
Wonder if a similar letter was sent to 815. ....
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One wonders indeed, Jackie.  Good catch.

This shows that the CoE isn’t nearly as far gone nor so thoroughly compromised as TEC or the ACoC.  Or Ireland, Scotland, or Wales, for that matter.  But the same deadly infectious disease has been contracted, and it is very much in doubt if the CoE has a strong enough immune system to overcome it. 

But I’ll let some of our British contributors speak to that.

David Handy+

[1] Posted by New Reformation Advocate on 07-13-2009 at 12:49 PM • top

Any idea how much the Church of Sweden has contributed to the AC or listening? I’d be really interested. I bet it is a fraction of what TEC delivers. wink

[2] Posted by Festivus on 07-13-2009 at 01:48 PM • top

Could you get them to send a copy to the ELCA and the Lutheran World Federation, while you’re at it?  Certain Lutherans might find this of interest.

[3] Posted by Wittenberg on 07-13-2009 at 01:54 PM • top

There has been a history of the COE “complaining” that the Church of Sweden is taking decisions on same sex issues without consulting and without thinking of the ecumenical effect. (http://www.cofe.anglican.org/info/ccu/new/response.html) At the moment the COE and the Church of Sweden have full interchange of ministries (through the Porvoo Agreement). It seems that is about to end - given that the Church of Sweden now has a partnered lesbian bishop.

FWIW Oliver O’Donovan was, and perhaps still is, on the Faith and Order Advisory Group that helped to draft the latest letter.

[4] Posted by driver8 on 07-13-2009 at 02:01 PM • top

Thanks for the background info, driver8 (#4).  We’ve come a long way from the glory days when Gabriel Hebert of the Mirfield Fathers could write so enthusiastically about the CoSweden in Fundamentalism and the Church of God.

And Wittenberg (#3), nice of you to drop by.  I agree that this letter might be of interest in light of the upcoming ELCA national assembly in August.  I hope that our orthodox friends in the ELCA are up for the fight.  But with so many of the Evangelical Catholic (Pro Ecclesia) crowd having sum the Tiber now, I wonder if the Lutherans will fare much better.

But if I may offer a teasing comment, in light of Luther’s infamous condoning of the bigamy of Duke Philip of Hesse, it’s not like the Lutherans have a spotless record either.  None of us do. “For God has consigned us all to disobedience, in order that he might have mercy upon us all (alike)” (Rom. 11:32).

David Handy+

[5] Posted by New Reformation Advocate on 07-13-2009 at 02:35 PM • top

Though it is now disestablished the Church of Sweden is still dominated by the theology that it is not just the church of the Swedish people but, in a real sense, the church of the state. It has been repeatedly used by the Social Democratic Party to forward its modernising ethical agenda. It’s decisions are dominated by political factions that represent the principal Swedish secular political parties.

Perhaps not surprisingly, at the very moment the Porvoo Agreement is collapsing, General Convention 2009 is being presented with resolution A076 (for all I know it may have passed) to begin a dialogue with the aim of establishing full communion between TEC and the Church of Sweden:

Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 76th General Convention direct the Standing Commission on Ecumenical and Interreligious Relations to begin a dialogue with the appropriate ecumenical offices of the Church of Sweden, the ultimate goal of which is to reach a relationship of full communion between The Episcopal Church and the Church of Sweden; and be it further

Resolved, That the Standing Commission do so in consultation with the Standing Inter-Anglican Commission on Unity, Faith, and Order.


EXPLANATION

The relationship between The Episcopal Church and the Church of Sweden goes back to the beginnings of The Episcopal Church, including the transfer of oversight of several Swedish Lutheran congregations during the colonial and Revolutionary periods. In addition, the Lambeth Conferences of Bishops have given favorable consideration to the historic Episcopal succession of the Church of Sweden (see relevant Resolutions from the 1908, 1920, and 1930 Lambeth Conferences). However, the informal recognition of the validity of each Church’s Orders by the other has never been formally instituted by The Episcopal Church and the Church of Sweden. During recent dialogues among the Old Catholic Churches of the Union of Utrecht and la Iglesia Independiente Filipina with The Episcopal Church, with Swedish Lutheran observers present, this lack of formal recognition became highlighted. Pursuing a formal dialogue will not only result hopefully in a full-communion agreement, but also raise the question anew of joining the full communion relationship between the Scandinavian Lutheran churches and the Church of England known as the Porvoo Agreement. It will also help to facilitate common ministry, mission and witness in the Convocation of American Episcopal Churches in Europe.


Some recent history

http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-02-036-f

http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=13-06-035-i

http://kalin.nu/english/olofsson.htm

http://kalin.nu/english/svd2.htm

http://kyrkligsamling.se/marriagestatement09.pdf

[6] Posted by driver8 on 07-13-2009 at 03:30 PM • top

This is sad…The Church of Sweden is one of only two or so major Lutheran bodies in ancient apostolic succession, despite the Reformation.  now they are determined to destroy that patrimony in their elections and their canons.  There is a remnant of catholicity in the Society of St. Birgitte…but they are more and more on the fringe…Lord have mercy.

[7] Posted by TXThurifer on 07-13-2009 at 10:44 PM • top

Church of Sweden answers to ”the Anglican attack”
NOTE: The Anglican attack isn’t the Church of Sweden’s officially view of the letter but a headline in a Swedish tabloid (Aftonbladet). Most of the stuff come from the church of Swedwn newspaper also known as the Thursday depression.
There was concerns that this would effect ecumenical relations. In March the order of same sex “wedding service” was referred for consideration to the diocesan boards and chapters (and to the youth organization in Church of Sweden) by the national board of the church of Sweden. (Note: the chapter is if I should describe it for an Episcopalian a combination of a standing committee, committee of ministry and trial court for priests and deacons. It is also the appeal court for uncanonical decisions made by a parish.)
The board and chapter in Strängnäs had in its responses has a separate section on “ecumenical aspects.”  It states in conclusion:

To take a far-reaching decisions on important doctrine issues, without that this was preceded by a renewed ecumenical consultations would be both unwise and incompatible with the Church of Sweden’s ecumenical identity.

Esbjörn Hagberg, bishop of Karlstad for example writes in his reservation to the chapter:

  “In several of the ecumenical documents Church of Sweden committed itself to and stressed the importance of consultations between churches when decisions are taken that may affect Ecumenism. No decision should be taken on this issue without the Church of Sweden has lived up to these obligations.

Two responses to the letter:
Sven Thidevall, bishop of Växjö:

  Criticism of the Church of England is serious.  Now it is about more than same-sex couples church weddings. … The letter is a hunch that we might be about to become isolated.  How we handle the marriage issue affects so much more than what to call same-sex couples church weddings.

Lennart Koskinen, Bishop of Visby:
And in Friday’s Aftonbladet, the bishop stated that “we will not stand down” on the issue of same-sex marriage, but while he believes that the famous letter from two bishops in the Anglican church still means that “we will need to make a proper “poodle” (apology/ Lars) towards the Church of England”.

  The criticism is serious and we are eager to have continued good relations with the Anglican Church, we can not afford to break the relationship. So we may be properly sorry but not give in,” said the bishop to the newspaper.

According to Koskinen, it is not the first time that the Swedish church mishandled the ecumenical contacts.  In the same way it was in the case of women’s ordination. “But we in the Church of Sweden dared then to move forward.”

Archbishop Anders Wejryd has not commented on the Anglican letter.  Anders Lindberg, Director of the Swedish Church’s Secretariat for Theology and Ecumenism, has suggested that the Church of Sweden will address “issues that the perception of sexuality” in The Porvoo meeting next year.

[url=“http://www.anglicancommunion.org/ministry/ecumenical/dialogues/lutheran/docs/porvoo.cfm”]
The Proovoo statement (5Ab) declarers that:[/url]
We commit ourselves:
Viii to establish appropriate forms of collegial and conciliar consultation on significant matters of faith and order, life and work;
It’s a little bit more than writing a letter.

The letter was sent to the Proovoo churches and LWF not to the other member churches in LWF. Is somebody afraid of the Lutheran global south?

[8] Posted by Lars on 07-19-2009 at 07:28 AM • top

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