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Sunday Afternoon: Debate on Communication from Executive Council

Sunday, March 4, 2007 • 7:27 pm

Here is a relay of Matt Kennedy’s “live blog” from Sunday afternoon’s Executive Council meeting.


Chair: Break:
Called back to order:
The next item to consider is the communication from this body to the wider church. Here is the draft:

Draft:
We the laity clergy and bishops of the Executive Council met in Portland Oregon on March 2-4, 2007. As representatives of the General Convention of TEC between its meetings, we carry out the mission and ministry approved by previous general conventions
We are conscious that this is the first meeting of a major deliberative body of the church in the wake of the Primates meeting in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, and we devoted substantial time to the creation of a process to allow for the full participation of all Episcopalians in response to the draft text for a possible covenant for the Anglican Communion, as envisioned in the Windsor Report.
This Covenant is intended to “incarnate communion as a visible foundation around which Anglicans can gather to shape and protect their distinctive identity and mission.”
The Windsor Report recognizes that adoption of such a covenant is a “theological challenge…[that] may lead to complex debate.”
General Convention 2006, in Resolution A166 committed the Episcopal Church to participation in this process. As stated in the resolution of Executive Council, “responding to the draft covenant is an opportunity to participate in the covenant development process but does not presuppose agreement with the terms and principles advanced in the draft.”
The Executive Council recognizes that the requests made by the Primates, directed to the House of Bishops and Presiding Bishop, raise important and unresolved questions about the polity of the Episcopal Church, upon which we continue to reflect seriously and prayerfully.
Within our lifetime, the Anglican Communion has become global and multicultural. We are in a process of discerning what it means to be members of the Anglican Communion, autonomous yet interdependent, diverse yet living out a common life as a family of churches, in spite of our disagreements.
The questions facing us raise significant concerns for members of the Episcopal Church. We offer our prayerful affirmation to all who struggle with issues that concern us:
1. to those who are deeply concerned about the future of their Church and its place within the wider communion
2. to faithful gay lesbian Anglicans, here and abroad; and
3. to those who are unable to be reconciled to certain actions of GC.
It is our common baptism into the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ that binds us together. We promise in our baptismal covenant to respect the dignity of every human being. As we engage in conversations about these issues may we “be eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” (Eph 4:3). In so doing may we “continue in the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of the bread and in the prayers”
The Executive Council is especially thankful for the thoughtful leadership of Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori and Bonnie Anderson, President of the House of Deputies, and for their wisdom and patience.
We rejoice in the ministries of province 8 and the diocese of Oregon, about which we learned during a presentation on Saturday night.
We also acted to:
1. Designate the line item in the Church’s 2007-2009 budget for the MGDs to seed, along with ERD and Jubilee Ministries, an MGD Inspiration Fund to fight malaria and other diseases; and encourage individuals, congregations and dioceses to contribute.
2. Express continuing concern for peace with justice in the Middle East
3. Urge the closing of the military prison on Guantanamo Bay and the end of secret detention centers and “extraordinary rendition”
4. Urge the US government to grant asylum to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered individuals, or those advocating for their civil rights, who seek such protection, and commit the Church to aid in their resettlement.
5. Ensure that future General Conventions will not be held in states that prohibit domestic partnerships
6. reaffirm our commitment to funding the Seminaries of the Church
The Council will meet again in June in Parsippany, New Jersey.
In the Love of Jesus, and the service of Christ’s Church,
The Executive Council


Drafter????: What was interesting is that Belton and I together with Jan Nunley drew this up and we do in some ways represent a diversity of the church. We have put this document together to represent the thinking of this body and hopefully that thinking is representative.
Jan is not back yet but we were going to have this put up on the big screen.
KJS: That is fine. It actually helps to read these things aloud
Reading the letter out loud:
finished:
Bruce Garner: I would like to suggest the inclusion of two paragraphs. Here is the first (paraphrased):

1. It is important that we take a prayerful season of reflection upon and study of the various communion documents led by a work-group appointed to that task.

Drafter???: We decided not to use the word communiqué on purpose. We were trying to respond to the broader issues without suggesting that we have a responsibility to respond to the “communiqué” as such.
Jennings: If we adopt EC008 (see below…EC08 is simply commending the covenant and communique to further study), we could take language from EC008 which makes clear that that the response of this church is not to the primates but to the issues raised by them.
Bruce Garner. Here is my second Paragraph (paraphrased):

2. We wish to clearly affirm that it is the position to welcome all people. In particular twe wish to affirm to GLBT people that they remain integral members of our church and we celebrate their full participation in the ministry of this church.

This communiqué has effected me terribly. On Ash Wednesday I heard you are dust and to dust you shall return and I heard these words in a very different way.
There has been a target drawn on our backs by the Communique.
John Vanderstar: makes a grammatical correction….then continues…
Next I could not tell in reading the draft as presented that there are two different processes: the covenant and the communiqué. Perhaps if we acknowledged these two different subjects, the covenant first and the communiqué next we might be able to resolve some of our difficulties.
????: I am confused by some of this. The covenant did not come out as a result of the primates meeting but out of the Windsor Report.
Ziegler: I want to speak to the second paragraph that Bruce Garner suggested that we insert. WE tried to balance our concern for any one group. If you notice on the bullet points we highlighted first of all the widest group…those concerned about the future of the church.
The second group we picked was the GLBT communities and their concerns. I think we were very clear with regard to our care and concern for them.
And the third bullet is designed to speak to those are concerned with the direction of our church. We wanted them to understand that we care and understand and we wanted to balance our statement of concern for all three groups.
My concern with the inclusion of Bruce’s second paragraph is that this will make the document unbalanced. If we do that I think we need to add more sentences addressing the other two groups as well.
KJS: I think we may have to ask the drafting group to go away and redraft.
Bishop Holguin: Perhaps we should add a paragraph to reiterate our disposition of working on behalf of the reconciliation of the entire church. I think this is something that we need to constantly reiterate. And on the other hand I think we fall short by dedicating only 3/4nof a line to the problem of the middle east. I think the committee should work that further and be more specific.
????: I would like to suggest that a new drafting group be appointed made up of those with strong concerns.
????: I would like to support putting the one paragraph in that Bruce suggested because I think the first group and the second group, if they are excluded, it will be self-exclusion
Petero: As the body representing the whole church we on the committee struggled with language including everyone in the whole church. We do not people to think that this is all we are about. We want to communicate that everybody is included and that means everybody and this statement as it is does that and those who think it excludes them need to reconsider carefully.
Butch: I am very conflicted. I feel that there is an elephant in the middle of the room. That we are being bullied and disrespected and words are being used euphemistically like “pastoral concerns”. We know this is not about all that. This is about power and a lot of other stuff and so we should take the high road. But there are people who are hurt who need to hear from us and know that we are not appeasing those who are bullying us. I think the church is waiting to hear some words of comfort that we are going to continue to do the right thing and because we think that the gospel includes everyone and we are getting hammered for that. But so did Jesus.
We need to say to bullies what the Dixie Chicks said in their song, “I am tired of making nice”
?????: When I read the document I said,if I were sitting in the pews I would not understand this. It does not mean much to me. It does not affirm any of us. The language of a document like this is terribly important for people in the pew. My fellow Episcopalians in my church for example did not know that the Episcopal Church has been working for equal rights for GLBT people for the last 20 years until the last convention.
Some people want all or nothing. They don’t want to be in the church with my son who is gay. We cannot appease them
Rosalyn: What is the purpose of the letter? If it is to simply let people know that Executive Council is considering things, what the way forward is going to be and to give comfort, then there is one letter. I did not think that we were going to respond to the communiqué or the covenant. But some people think that this is our purpose. So I am confused and we need some clarity.
We really have not had an opportunity to really even study the documents. How can we have these detailed declarations.
+Bruno: This statement is reactive. It is reactive. I am one of those people who thinks that short is best. We need to affirm that this is an inclusive church across the board, to bring back ++Browning’s language that there are no “outcasts”in our church. But we also need to simply affirm the position of our church and say that we will study this document.
????: The high road to me is where we offer the words to the three groups. Our first thing is to say that we did work and to reaffirm everybody.
But I do have one problem: saying that people are “unable” to be reconciled. It sounds like we pushed them out. This is not true. They may have difficulty being reconciled but they are not unable. Maybe put have “difficulty” being reconciled.
Bruce: I would just likle to remind us that the communiqué (to which we are not referring) specifically highlighted actions against gay and lesbian people. A plain reading of the document, and not just by me, is that this was a targeted and violent communiqué. There is a particular group that needs to hear something, words of comfort, more immediately than June. I do not want to react. I do want to reassure people who are feeling vulnerable.

Ian Douglas: Three points:

1. In the first paragraph when we talk about mission and ministry. I would like to say something like, well, to strike, “striving to carry out mission and ministry” and say, “we serve the mission of God through the church” This is just better missiologically speaking.

2. Also, the paragraph that begins: “Within our lifetime” the AC has become global and multicultural…is in error. Perhaps it has become increasingly so but it has been multicultural for quite a bit longer.

3. On the last bullet: this alludes to the fact that we would be funding the Gregorian school in the Vatican…perhaps we should specify Episcopal Seminaries.

KJS: I heard a resounding sense that simpler is better and that this body is developing processes to respond but that we are not ready to respond other than to reiterate that all of our members are welcome and that we celebrate their ministries.
EC008 establishing a work group to be chaired by Bonnie Anderson to develop responses to the communiqué and covenant in June in NJ.

????: Why has the word ecclesiology been added
Ian: I think that the key questions from the communiqué are beyond ht single focus on GLBT people and on how are we to be church at this time. The key question is ecclesiological. I would like to keep the focus on the church not on one group.
Harris: I think that we need to be able to talk in particular abot the narrower issue of GLBT and how we feel about lambeth 1.10. I would like that committee to be able to talk about these things.
Ian: I do not think that the addition of ecclesiology precludes such conversations. 
Josephine: Why not just use the words issues
Mover: I accept that
Called.
Passed unanimously
Recess until 4


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4. Urge the US government to grant asylum to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered individuals, or those advocating for their civil rights, who seek such protection, and commit the Church to aid in their resettlement.

This a rather transparent attempt to engender immigration by gay Africans while putting orthodox Africas at a disadvantage.

[1] Posted by Piedmont on 03-04-2007 at 07:17 PM • top

Single issue club, ultimately.

[2] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 03-04-2007 at 07:19 PM • top

4. Urge the US government to grant asylum to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered individuals, or those advocating for their civil rights, who seek such protection, and commit the Church to aid in their resettlement.

Why not, instead, urge the PB, when she makes her next pilgramage to the Holy Place (aka Cuba) to give old Busy Whiskers a good dressing-down for the oppression of homosexuals in Gulla-Gulla Gulag?  I don’t recall her uttering a peep about that on her latest junket.

[3] Posted by Jeffersonian on 03-04-2007 at 07:23 PM • top

Does anyone still wonder why ecusa is now known as the gay church?

[4] Posted by TonyinCNY on 03-04-2007 at 07:26 PM • top

I wonder if the concerned primates (++Akinola and others) are getting in on this.

[5] Posted by Marlin on 03-04-2007 at 07:32 PM • top

Just circulate these passages in the pews and our congregations will be stunned. TEC is nothing more than a GLBT advocacy group.

[6] Posted by AngloTex on 03-04-2007 at 07:36 PM • top

5. Ensure that future General Conventions will not be held in states that prohibit domestic partnerships.

Is this being done 1) to punish those backward states that “prohibit” domestic partnerships, or 2) for the ease and comfort of the domestic partners attending GC?

re #1: Are states really competing for the ripe plum of a GC convention? If so, does this indicate we’re spending way too much money on an extravaganza? Besides, do we actually have *any* states that actualy *prohibit* domestic partnerships? I thought that lifestyle was more common than marriage in the good ol’ U.S. of A.

re #2: If one were to take a survey of the lifestyles profile of GC attenders, I wonder how it would compare with the lifestyles profile of TEC as a whole?

[7] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 03-04-2007 at 07:43 PM • top

“A plain reading of the [communiqué], and not just by me, is that this was a targeted and violent communiqué.”

Please note the use of the term violent.

[8] Posted by Going Home on 03-04-2007 at 07:52 PM • top

Please note the use of the term violent.

Indeed.  I once made a comment over at Jake’s (about how the law was going to be laid down for TEC at DeS, as I recall) and was told by another commenter that she felt as if she had been raped.  I kid you not.  These people ain’t right.

[9] Posted by Jeffersonian on 03-04-2007 at 08:05 PM • top

For these folks, the debate has gone well beyond SSBs or the ordination of non-celibate gays or lesbians. The have won that battle within TEC even if the HOB passes a resolution giving the requested clarifications.  TEC’s lay and clergy leadership commonly refer to efforts to enforce Biblical standards for marraige and ordination as doing violence, and the advocacy of such standards as constituting hate speech if done in a public or academic forum.

[10] Posted by Going Home on 03-04-2007 at 08:15 PM • top

I think this is clear enough for us be be one of the “backward” states.

STATE CONSTITUTION (EXCERPT)
CONSTITUTION OF MICHIGAN OF 1963
§ 25 Marriage.
Sec. 25.
To secure and preserve the benefits of marriage for our society and for future generations of children, the union of one man and one woman in marriage shall be the only agreement recognized as a marriage or similar union for any purpose.
History: Add. Init., approved Nov. 2, 2004, Eff. Dec. 18, 2004

[11] Posted by Captn Mike on 03-04-2007 at 08:17 PM • top

Dixie Chicks?

[12] Posted by BabyBlue on 03-04-2007 at 08:40 PM • top

If you are going to maintain this as a no freak out zone you are going to have to stop putting this much crud in one column. As a matter of fact I am going to my room and listen to Zappa’s “Freak Out” album (yes, wax) and cleanse my brain. Be back later. “Whoooo are the Brain Policcce….” indeed.

Losing it in the Adirondacks

[13] Posted by Anglican Paplist on 03-04-2007 at 09:45 PM • top

5. Ensure that future General Conventions will not be held in states that prohibit domestic partnerships

Another little jibe the agenda folks slipped in. Guess that lets out Detroit as a future site, Captn Mike.

[14] Posted by Gulfstream on 03-04-2007 at 09:50 PM • top

Jeffersonian:
Consider yourself warned.  If you keep playing with Snarkster you will end up just like him; Still Banned By Jake.  Mark my words. You really should choose your friends more carefully! wink

[15] Posted by Piedmont on 03-04-2007 at 09:51 PM • top

Please, someone for the sake of the resting souls of my English teachers, give these people a copy of Strunk and White’s ” Element of Style.” 
For a group that seems so quick to jump up and point the finger of
” you are all obsessed with sexuality,  you never talk about anything else”  they sure seem to fit the GLBTQONYM (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, questioning and other not yet mentioned) into every pause in the conversation.

It may surprise some but I am in favor of granting asylum under certain conditions to persons who are in real danger of severe persecution or even death because of sexual orientation.  I also favor this for women facing genital mutilation.  Women who are sentenced to death by stoning for commiting sin.  I favor this for those threatened with jail for becoming Christian.  I favor this for girls and women who are at risk of being victims of honor killings or for not bringing a high enough bride price.  I favor this for girls, boys, men and women captured and abducted into slavery.  Or forcibly constricted into guerilla bands.  I favor this for all of God’s children who want to escape the inhumanity and terror of radical Islam.  Or the juggernaut of Socialist and Communist righthink. 

Yep you yahoos on the Executive council.  I have no problem stating that the majority of human right abuses occur either under Islamic Regimes,  Islamic separtists warring against non Islams, Radical Islams attempting to set up such regimes,  and the subsequent adoption of Sharia.  The other bulk of human right abuses occur in Socialist or Communist nations.  I am not sure which has the higher in number.  But I do know this.  Western democracies and republics that have laws that are rooted in Judeo Christian teachings are not where you find total disregard for the dignity and rights of persons.

So forgive my skepticism when you embrace Castro while waxing indignant over Gitmo.

[16] Posted by Paula Loughlin on 03-04-2007 at 10:39 PM • top

Dixie Chicks? Are the U2Charists passe already?  Will we now have a liturgy based on Dixie Chicks lyrics?  It can’t be too far off if that is what is informing our learned Exec Council in creating their “communication” to the church (NOT to be confused with the Communique, lest we be inflammatory or exposed as to not actually responding to anything of serious import).

[17] Posted by Lori on 03-04-2007 at 11:24 PM • top

Lori: Perhaps U2 went out when someone discovered that Bono believes that Jesus Christ died for our sins and so made us right with God (atonement).  I think that the Dixie Chicks are probably a better theological fit for TEC’s powerbrokers.

[18] Posted by jamesw on 03-05-2007 at 01:06 AM • top

The Dixie Chicks reference almost certainly comes from an Elizabeth Kaeton blog post about the song “Not Ready to Make Nice.”  I think the speaker has probably been reading Elizabeth’s blog.

[19] Posted by Nasty, Brutish & Short on 03-05-2007 at 09:27 AM • top

CaptnMike: As another Michigander, I think you’re right. I’m wondering if I confess here that I voted yes to add this to the Michigan constitution, I will no longer be “included” in TEC, of which I am a member. Dave

[20] Posted by DavidSh on 03-05-2007 at 11:54 AM • top

“A plain reading of the [communiqué], and not just by me, is that this was a targeted and violent communiqué.”

And just what purpose would be served by an ‘untargeted’ Communique?

[21] Posted by Chip Johnson, cj on 03-05-2007 at 12:06 PM • top

Matt+—while you’re still soaking your typing fingers in ice water to help with the overheating, please accept profound thanks for this outstanding effort.

This is actually hilarious.  But we should be used to that by now; we know that the organizational hierarchy of ECUSA is simply another radical Left special group, and that the only actual disagreements within it will be as mindlessly rigid as the Bolshevik/ Menshevik conflicts of the 1920s.  These people are to any sort of serious thought what Python’s Ministry of Funny Walks was to jogging, and the only unfunny aspect of the situation is how much they control in the way of assets bequeathed by people who would barf in their graves if they knew how the assets were being used…

[22] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 03-05-2007 at 12:17 PM • top

“A plain reading of the [communiqué], and not just by me, is that this was a targeted and violent communiqué.”

Well, obviously someone forgot the talking points.  Part of the revisionist mantra these days is that there ain’t no such thing as “plain readings.”  Texts amount to nothing more than interpretations.  If Mr. Garner would remember his revisionist Hermeneutics 101 he would say instead: “The fundamentalists are claiming that the Communique forbids SSUs, but that’s just their interpretation.  After all, there’s no reason to believe that the primates are even familiar with the notion of SSUs since most of them come from countries where they are not allowed.  I think what the Communique is really forbidding is for those of heterosexual orientation to have their own unions blessed in an officially authorized same-sex blessing—unless, of course, they’re bisexual or transgendered.  And, as our Presiding Bishop (‘She’s a girl!’) has reminded us, the Communique is asking us only to ‘slow down’ . . .‘for a season,’ until the Covenant is in place.  Meanwhile, we can continue to offer pastoral blessings as long as they are not officially ‘authorized.’  After the Covenant, we can do what we want.”

Let’s get on point, people!

[23] Posted by William Witt on 03-05-2007 at 01:01 PM • top

Now that +KJS has made her pronouncement about same bless blessings, are we to assume that her declared “season of fasting” is now over?  We’ve only just gotten to Lent 2—is the 40 days just too much for the left?

[24] Posted by hanks on 03-05-2007 at 01:18 PM • top

Everyone is to be included, but some are more included than others.  George Orwell is proven right again.

[25] Posted by dwstroudmd+ on 03-05-2007 at 05:13 PM • top

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