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Al Mohler: Clueless in Seattle—Can You Be Both a Christian and a Muslim?

Wednesday, June 20, 2007 • 12:38 pm


NOTE: Below, I credit Christopher Johnson, Anglican Investigator and proprietor of Midwest Conservative Journal, as having broken the Ann Redding story. I was subsequently informed by one Mrs. Jackie Bruchi that she beat Mr. Johnson to the punch, by a whopping THIRTEEN DAYS. My sincerest apologies to Mrs. Bruchi.

Noting that “Members of the Episcopal Church must brace themselves these days when they pick up the newspaper,” Dr. Albert Mohler goes on to comment on the case of The Rev. Ann Holmes Redding of Seattle, who claims to be both Christian and Muslim. CJ originally broke the story, and the swell has been building ever since:

This is yet another reminder of the basic principle that religious liberals can negotiate themselves to any position they desire.  Once you commit yourself to a methodology of denying Scripture and orthodox Christian doctrine, you can delcare yourself to be a Christian and a Muslim, a Christian and a Druid, or a Christian and an Atheist for that matter.
The real shame in all this is that Rev. Redding is getting away with this while continuing to be an Episcopal priest in good standing.  Adding insult to injury, her bishop, the Rt. Reverend Vincent Warner of Seattle, says that Rev. Redding’s declaration that she is both a Christian and a Muslim to be exciting in terms of interfaith understanding.  Is there any hope for a church whose bishop considers heresy to be exciting?


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She believes the Trinity is an idea about God and cannot be taken literally.

Dr. Mohler is right.  She can’t be both a Christian and a Muslim.  How could she when she isn’t Christian?  I’m quite confident that there are those in the Islamic faith who don’t consider her a Muslim either.  She can say that she is both Christian and Muslim but she is neither.

[1] Posted by Piedmont on 06-20-2007 at 12:55 PM • top

Noting that “Members of the Episcopal Church must brace themselves these days when they pick up the newspaper,”

Wow! That has to be the frontrunner for the “Anglican Understatement of the Year Award”.

the snarkster

[2] Posted by the snarkster on 06-20-2007 at 01:10 PM • top

One can apparently be a Pseudo-Christian AND a Pseudo-Muslim ......
* That is a significant accomplishment.
* A Double-Apostate !!!!
* (applause applause)

[3] Posted by Anglican Observer on 06-20-2007 at 01:28 PM • top

Absolutely the next to the last straw.

[4] Posted by James Manley on 06-20-2007 at 01:30 PM • top

Maybe she’s trying to promote ecumenism by getting Muslims and Christians to come together and agree that she belongs to neither one of them.

[5] Posted by Scott K on 06-20-2007 at 01:40 PM • top

As someone who most likely be considered and labeled a “revisionist” by my fellow bloggers, I feel compelled to comment on this.  It is appalling to me that someone who identifies themselves as a Muslim could even keep in their brain the thought of being a Christian, much less a priest.  I cannot imagine any bishop allowing it either.  Please do not lump me into the group of people who find this acceptable despite our different conclusions on other subjects. 

OMA

[6] Posted by OpenMindedAnglican on 06-20-2007 at 01:45 PM • top

Actually, I’m pretty sure it was T19 who broke the story, thanks to a comment from one of our readers.  Just for the record wink

http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/3362

[7] Posted by The_Elves on 06-20-2007 at 01:59 PM • top

Well, I am going to try to be optimistic.  Maybe she can plant seeds in Islam similar to the work she and her cohorts are doing in TEC, so that Islam’s followers will not believe any of its dogma, either.

(These new rose-colored glasses are really cool.)

[8] Posted by Cousin Vinnie on 06-20-2007 at 02:00 PM • top

Does this mean when she is beheaded for unfaithfulness to Islam she will be shouting with her executioners, “allah akbar!”?  Does she get estra points for that?  Because I really don’t think she’d be received as Muslim in, say, Iraq or Pakistan or a whole host of other countries who routinely persecute Christians and execute traitors to Islam.

[9] Posted by dwstroudmd+ on 06-20-2007 at 02:29 PM • top

Wonder which TEC seminary taught her all this good stuff?

[10] Posted by BettyLee Payne on 06-20-2007 at 02:46 PM • top

This interesting note is running on the AAC blog site:

AAC Note: Jim Naughton, an influential Episcopal communicator, said he hopes the news of a Seattle Episcopal Priest claiming to be both Christian and Muslim is ignored. Naughton, Canon for Communications and Advancement for the Diocese of Washington, in an e-mail to Episcopal communicators said “I fervently hope that it will be possible to ignore this story until it slips back beneath the radar.” This is yet another example of TEC’s house built upon sand and not on the rock that is Jesus and his Word.

Let’s work to make sure that Naughton’s “fervent hope” is unrealized.

[11] Posted by Steven in Falls Church on 06-20-2007 at 03:21 PM • top

Thanks for the heads up, Steven; yes, let’s make sure this is not swept under the rug by ECUSA.

[12] Posted by Phil on 06-20-2007 at 03:26 PM • top

Jim Naughton, an influential Episcopal communicator, said he hopes the news of a Seattle Episcopal Priest claiming to be both Christian and Muslim is ignored.

Well done, Jim!  I mean, everyone knows that if you ignore that one mole on your shoulder - the one that seems to be getting bigger? - it will go away.  Not a thing to worry about.  Doesn’t mean a thing…

[13] Posted by Jeffersonian on 06-20-2007 at 03:35 PM • top

Everybody stay tuned for more on the Muslim priest story…

cool smile

[14] Posted by Greg Griffith on 06-20-2007 at 03:42 PM • top

From what I read of the another story it looks like this lady was one of a number of staff who were let go by the Cathedral by the Dean for financial reasons at the same time that in an entirely unrelated matter he was voted a large increase in his salary package.  I am not condoning her position but wonder if she is not going through a pretty tough time anyway and needs a bit of space to sort herself and where here ministry is going out.  I say that as someone who has joined in but wondered if there is not something of a crisis going on for her as a person.  Perhaps the Christian thing to do now.

[15] Posted by Pageantmaster [Pray for +Mark Lawrence] on 06-20-2007 at 03:45 PM • top

Jim Naughton is just another TEC mushroom farmer (feed’em sh*t and keep’em in the dark). I hope everyone ignores it until it goes away, indeed! Like what we don’t know won’t hurt us. Shame on you Mr. Naughton. The days when you can treat us like “mushrooms” are gone forever and you better get used to it.

the snarkster

[16] Posted by the snarkster on 06-20-2007 at 03:46 PM • top

Jim Naughton is just another TEC mushroom farmer…

No, no, no!!!  He’s “an influential Episcopal communicator,” Snark.

Now will someone explain the difference to me?

[17] Posted by Jeffersonian on 06-20-2007 at 03:51 PM • top

OMA (and others)
There has been considerable chatter on the HoBD listserve on this and many )who generally disagree with us) are, if not appalled, certainly in agreement that this is beyond the pale.  I think we probably all have some sympathy for this woman because she is very confused.  And personally, I went through a long period of spiriual confusion in my own life.  But I am not a priest. 
  I reserve my anger for her bishop.  He has clearly violated his own orders, not to mention just plain common sense (one of the threads on the listserve is titled “just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse…” or something like that).  Given the current state of the church, putting this story in the diocesan newsletter and COMMENDING this behavior is unpardonable.  Where is David Booth Beers with Bp. Warner’s presentment papers?  Any idea of what kind of financial impact this could have?  Any thought given to Christians who just might be a little offended by this?  Not to mention, Muslims who just might be offended by this (and I don’t think I’m speculating to say there are some).
    Hmmm… commenatrix probably won’t let me place an actual bet here, but I am going to speculate that the furor over this will cause the (I assume very liberal) mosque to deny membership to Rev. Redding (I wonder if the local Muslim Imam knew she was a Christian priest before the story broke?) and that inside of a week, the “unreasonable hardliner” Anglicans will be blamed for getting her kicked out of her mosque.  But then all will be well in the diocese of Olympia, and all its priests will once again be Episcopalians or Unitarians.

[18] Posted by tjmcmahon on 06-20-2007 at 03:58 PM • top

This story is one of the most egregious examples of mindlessness, I have ever had the displeasure to know about.

The telling quote is where she said that her conversion (Yes she said the words that make her a Muslim) “was not about the intellect.”

She describes some kind of compulsion to be a Muslim and never seems to have questioned its value or where it came from. She doesnt seem to comprehend the idea that not all of our compulsions come from God. She just assumed that God must have wanted her to do it so that is why she felt that she had to.

What a waste of what is no doubt a mind blessed with a high degree of intelligence. I agree with those who say we should feel sorry for her since she seems to have no sense to go with that intelligence at all. I pray too that she can sort this out one way or another. Preferrably by realizing that she can find whatever she think she needs in an orthodox practice of the Christian faith.

If she should by any chance be tuning in to the reaction to her announcement, she should see that we aren’t rejecting her as a person and that we want her to return to faith only in Christ who loves her and wants her to be whole in him alone and not divided among two incompatible truth claims. She should know that there is forgiveness for her if only she would repent. She has been added to my prayers. I pray for the return of the native sense she was undoubtedly born with but somehow lost along the way. It can happen. I would be the first to admit that hard knocks in life (and she has suffered a few) can do that to a person.

As for her bishop, there is no excuse. He is utterly failing her. There just arent strong enough words to condemn his abdication of his sacred duty to God for the good of her soul.

[19] Posted by StayinAnglican on 06-20-2007 at 04:23 PM • top

These are the simultaneous religious affiliations/observances that I recall from previous posts on SF:
6/07  Episcopal priest in Seattle announces she is a Muslim.
5/07  A liberal Episcopal layman/ordained Sufi leads Sufi healing circle meetings at St. Philip’s Cathedral, Atlanta, GA
9/06  A Tibetan Buddhist lama leads a guided meditation for EDS seminarians & faculty.  As best as I could tell from his opaque writing, this entails guiding people through the mind of a Buddha.
5/06  Episcopal Bookstore offers pagan book Love Potions for sale online.
4/06  Wiccan priest/Episcopal layman surfaces, having had essays published on the Oasis blog and Father Jake’s blog and Louie Crew’s blog.
4/05  Two Druid/Episcopal priests exposed in Pennsylvania.
5/04  A transgender shaman/pagan priest and a witch are featured speakers at a conference partly sponsored by the Episcopal diocese of Michigan GLBT outreach group.

[20] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 06-20-2007 at 05:19 PM • top

Albert Mohler writes, “Once again, we are driven to pray for Christ’s church to be rescued from such heresies and preserved in the truth in the midst of such confusion.  We must also pray for the faithful Christians in the Episcopal Church and other denominations who are, in effect, paying the bills that sustain these heresies.” Albert Mohler doesn’t have to care about the wacky piskies, but he does. I, for one, appreciate his concern.

[21] Posted by robroy on 06-20-2007 at 05:20 PM • top

Between this,ss blessings and Mr Beers threatening to sue the Four Dioceses,boy,do I hope the Primates are keeping score for 9/30.

[22] Posted by paddy c on 06-20-2007 at 05:38 PM • top

Between this,ss blessings and Mr Beers threatening to sue the Four Dioceses,boy,do I hope the primates are keeping score for 9/30.

Paddy, the AAC has been “keeping score” on doings in TEC for the primates.  However, given that this has been a banner month (and we still have 10 days to go) they must be running short of scorecards and little stubby pencils.  I think they will have to break down the final results for June into several volumes.  Maybe they can put it on CD and the primates can listen to it as they travel.

[23] Posted by tjmcmahon on 06-20-2007 at 06:37 PM • top

thanks Jill!

5/06 Episcopal Bookstore offers pagan book Love Potions for sale online.
4/06 Wiccan priest/Episcopal layman surfaces, having had essays published on the Oasis blog and Father Jake’s blog and Louie Crew’s blog.
4/05 Two Druid/Episcopal priests exposed in Pennsylvania.
5/04 A transgender shaman/pagan priest and a witch are featured speakers at a conference partly sponsored by the Episcopal diocese of Michigan GLBT outreach group.

  I bet I am not the only one struck by the irony. If TEC is “advanced” and the African Anglicans are “backward” (as per KJS), how is it that the Africans are sending the Christian missionaries and TEC has the evil witch-doctors?  I am beginning to think that we should petition the Pope and ask that he extend exorcism training to several Anglican priests.

[24] Posted by tjmcmahon on 06-20-2007 at 06:47 PM • top

We’ve just posted a follow-up and big roundup of links on the Ann Redding story over on T19

http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/3826/

—elfgirl, who believes T19 beat even the esteemed Ms. Bruchi, thanks to the great heads up we had from a T19 reader in the diocese of Olympia.  We’ll have to check the timestamps to settle this! wink

[25] Posted by The_Elves on 06-20-2007 at 08:02 PM • top

Yes, it’s confirmed. We had it on June 3. 
http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/3362

Jackie’s entry is June 4
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/3393

And here’s the original comment from June 2 on a different T19 thread that started it all:
http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/3350/#59614

[26] Posted by The_Elves on 06-20-2007 at 08:07 PM • top

Oh and while we’re correcting the record:  Jackie didn’t beat MCJ by 13 days.  Chris had his first story on June 8, I believe, so that makes 4 days:
http://mcj.bloghorn.com/3164

[27] Posted by The_Elves on 06-20-2007 at 08:15 PM • top

The Most Esteemed T-19 Elves
The Honorable Society of Elves
Elfdom, NA

Dear Mr./Ms. Elves,
The esteemed Ms. Bruchi checked the esteemed Canon Harmon’s website prior to posting and said article was not found.  The logical conclusion is that the time stamps over at T-19 are (1) part of a parallel universe or (2) examples of pluriform truth since it is HIGHLY unlikely that something could have slipped past the eagle eye of the esteemed Ms. Bruchi. 
Sincerely,
The copyright/patent/IRD funded lawyer of the Esteemed Ms. Bruchi

[28] Posted by JackieB on 06-20-2007 at 08:25 PM • top

LOL!  I guess we can battle it out in litigation, and we can take bets whether the suit finishes before any of the ECUSA cases!  confused

(BTW, I also have my Skype chat log where I was chatting with Kendall on Sunday after church and he indicated he’d posted it and asked me to monitor the thread since it was likely to provoke strong comment.  So there!)

[29] Posted by The_Elves on 06-20-2007 at 09:11 PM • top

I just thought of another contradiction.

How can this woman believe that Jesus is the greatest expression of the divinity of God and be a muslim at the same time when one of the central claims of Islam is that Mohammed was greater than Jesus. Greater than the greatest? Now that is contradiction.

If Jesus was the perfect and ultimate manifestation of the Divine, then why would another prophet be necessary?

Final thought. Part of being an adult is making choices, sometimes hard choices. Only children think they can (and should!) have all the candy in the shop, or be able to have a sundae right on top of their meat and potatoes. Or that its possible to be both a surgeon and a monkey owning truck driver like BJ ala BJ and The Bear (like someone I happen to know really really well used to…) Its not that its bad for kids to have these kinds of ambitions. God bless them.  But adults have to deal with and incorporate reality with our dreams and find a balance. That means that some things are not possible and one must then choose between two things instead of trying to have it all. In this case, she needs to grow up.

[30] Posted by StayinAnglican on 06-21-2007 at 12:05 AM • top

What a laugh riot!  The old saw, “you can’t make this stuff up” really holds up here.  Chris strikes again.  Along with Spong and Matthew Fox and company, what more do we need?

[31] Posted by RoyIII on 06-21-2007 at 06:50 AM • top

Number One: Ms. Redding is not, and can never be, a priest! Number Two, Ms. Redding is decidedly NOT a Christian. She may not particularly like ONLYS when speaking of Jesus, but He (and He only) is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man (‘man’ understood inclusively!) cometh unto the Father BUT BY HIM. I am growing absolutely sick and utterly tired of this Anglican “church”, of which I am a priest. It is dawning on me that this is no more a church than Islam is a valid way to the Father. How, in God’s holy and great Name, can “bishops” tolerate a minister (remember, she is not a priest) converting to Islam? How, in His Name can a ‘church’ supposedly under His guidance and blessing, envision blessing that which He Himself calls evil??? May God have mercy upon all in this religious organization!

[32] Posted by FatBar on 06-21-2007 at 08:26 AM • top

So who was on the DCOM that passed her to the diocesan Standing Committee?  What did they consider?  In fact, what Diocese was she ordained in (as a priest I mean)?  Someone out there who is really sharp is going to collect all these stories into a book that might have a title like “What you DON"T know about your Episcopal Church could really scare you!”

[33] Posted by Capt. Deacon Warren on 06-21-2007 at 02:17 PM • top

Regardless of whether you can be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time, this incident proves that you can be an Episcopalian and a Muslim at the same time.

[34] Posted by slcath on 06-21-2007 at 09:05 PM • top

Gay bishops
Same sex unions
Same sex marriages
Abortion on demand
Wiccan priests
Druid Archbishop
Episcopagan/Muslim priest
Open Communion
Depostions of faithful priests
Lawsuits over property
Is there a message to be discerened anywhere in this for us poor lay folk?

[35] Posted by DaveG on 06-22-2007 at 06:59 AM • top

I have sent a copy of the original Seattle Times article to the editor of our diocesean newspaper and have suggested they reprint it to show the remarkable and exciting “diversity” of The Episcopal Church.  I would suggest you all do the same….nobody will print it….but it will get the diocesan offices talking.

[36] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 06-22-2007 at 07:35 AM • top

Can I ask again - is there any other statement from the Bishop then a second hand report from a newspaper of what he has supposedly told them?

I can’t find any direct first-hand statement anywhere.

[37] Posted by Merseymike on 06-22-2007 at 07:42 AM • top

That’s the problem, MM.  The bishop won’t issue a firsthand public statement since it would make him liturgically and pastorally and -in a trite but dominant American CEO model- responsible for the Faith.  We can’t have that in ECUSA/TEC!  We all know our distinctive polity requires that everything except lawsuits requires the IMPRIMATUR of the General Convention.  Did you think that Bishops were accountable?
Stop it!  I’m laughing so hard my ribs might crack.

[38] Posted by dwstroudmd+ on 06-22-2007 at 07:47 AM • top

merseymike,

Why do you continuet to obsess over whether the bishop has made an “official” statement? Forget for a moment the fact that you never seem to be such a stickler for protocol when it comes to bashing conservatives, but what else do you need from her bishop? Yu’ve got him calling her dual-“belief” system “exciting” in his own diocesan newsletter. What more do you need?

[39] Posted by Greg Griffith on 06-22-2007 at 07:49 AM • top

Rather more depth and explanation.  But, then, as I said earlier, the sort of conservative purity you seek will never be found in the Anglican Communion unless you throw out all the liberals.

I wouldn’t be adverse to that as I think a split is what is needed, but those who wish to maintain organisational unity are not going to allow that to happen.

[40] Posted by Merseymike on 06-22-2007 at 08:03 AM • top

Greg, MM, dwstroudmd, et al.:

I sincerely doubt that anyone will get any further clarification from +Warner. He is retiring in a few months. The person who will have to “clean up” after this mess is Bishop-elect Gregory Rickel. No one is likely to bring a presentment against Redding+ until after the “change of command” for a variety of reasons. If you want to know what has been the episcopal situation in the Diocese of Olympia, inquire amongst any members of the HoB with whom you may have a contact, preferably from persons who have been members of that august body for at least 5 years. That is all I am able freely to say on the subject. It is possible that a presentment might be brought in a time frame that it would be heard under the new Bishop, but I am not informed on the likelihood of that happening.

Blessings and regards,
Martial Artist

[41] Posted by H. Potter (aka Martial Artist) on 06-22-2007 at 09:29 AM • top

The problem that cannot be dodged is this:  The diocese of Olympia may have prayer books in the pews, and it may have a Bible for show on the lecturn, but when the leader of the diocese not only tolerates, but approves and celebrates the heresy of this priestess, they might as well have taken the prayer books and the Bibles out and burned them on the lawn. 

Some suggest that the bishop is quietly working behind the scenes to remedy the problem.  Where is the evidence?  After placing this woman in charge of “faith formation,” after publicizing her heresies without any public correction, the bishop has the obligation to set matters straight.  He has a flock to lead, not to mislead, and his public actions and comments are accomplishing the latter.

[42] Posted by Cousin Vinnie on 06-22-2007 at 11:32 AM • top

I heard a Roman Catholic lay leader mention this today. It is getting some play, and should get some more.

[43] Posted by Going Home on 06-22-2007 at 02:31 PM • top

Cousin Vinnie,

I can find nothing incorrect in any inference you have drawn. The history of the diocese over the past 17+ years tacitly but plainly confirms what you have stated. That does not mean that every congregation has fallen into the trap. Quite the contrary, there are a number of faithful parishes under soundly Christian priestly leadership of which I am personally aware. But I have also been given to understand that a fair number of parishes in the diocese have turned to using service leaflets, rather than the BCP, and that in a number of those, what you will find in the leaflet is NOT a transcription of what is in the prayer book.

Blessings and regards,
Martial Artist

[44] Posted by H. Potter (aka Martial Artist) on 06-22-2007 at 02:56 PM • top

Please understand that am not placing this blog to debate nor respond to anyone else. I am only sharing what the Holy Spirit has within my heart and the wisdom of experience. It is unwise to attempt to serve two masters.A double minded person is unstable in “all” their ways. It is possible , but still difficult, for intra- christian service and worship time. However, inter-religious dual citizenship will pose all kinds of confusion and “God is not the Author of confusion”. We may look at the alikenesses of religions and then witness to others and draw them to CHRIST as we should for He alone is “the way , truth, and life” I highly recommend that the gentlewoman in Seattle “remember now your first LOVE” and repent in this matter brefore the LORD. ALL things may be lawful but not neccessarily beneficial for sound doctrine which leads unto salvation. may GOD give us understanding.

[45] Posted by RAPHAEL on 06-23-2007 at 12:34 PM • top

Betty Lee,
Ms. Redding was trained at General Theological Seminary in New York. She was ordained a priest in 1984 by Bishop Hunt.  She was an assistant at Grace Church, NY for a year, 84-85 and was LECTURER and TUTOR at General Seminary from 85-86, however, she was also a priest associate at Holy Apostles in East Point, GA from 85-97, or so the Clerical Directory tells me.  So, she has been a priest for 10 years longer than the current PB.

[46] Posted by Rev. J on 06-29-2007 at 12:21 PM • top

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