ACN Council Plenary Session: Live Feed via Anglican TV

Bp. Duncan speaking at about 10:10 EST - the visual display during his talk is powerful.  Clearly, Common Cause is flowing out of TEC into global Anglicanism and Christianity.
He says that there is no hope of TEC reform, and that there is no room for orthodox Christians in TEC.

Timothy Fountain

Thank you for the update and summary.  I am having difficulty with the feed so the summary is very helpful.

Kevin Kallsen is amazing.  It’s so cool to be able to watch this live from the middle of West Africa!! 

Mark, you can try this link if the above doesn’t work:
http://anglicantv.org/blog/

Kevin Kallsen is amazing.  It’s so cool to be able to watch this live from the middle of West Africa!!

There are many callings and services for Lord Jesus, that above statement just really embodies that concept.

May Lord continue to richly bless both Kevin & Karen as they serve Him!

+Duncan is done speaking and there is going to be a Q&A session now.

+Duncan, in response to a question, says he is willing to stand for re-election of ACN moderator ONLY IF ACN commits to Common Cause as its direction going forward.

+Duncan mentioned in his speech that his term as moderator is up at this Council meeting.
Someone asked him if he’d be willing to stand for re-election.  He said yes, with the caveat that if the Network decides not to move in the direction of the Common Cause Partnership (or Council, forget his exact words), he did not think he would be able to provide appropriate leadership.

Tim+ too funny… great minds think alike

KK’s video skills, and Matt+‘s skills with the keyboard in real time, are amazing tools to keep the faithful informed.  Thanks to them both, and of course a host of others, who have and continue to share their gifts.

Yep, I think we have overtaxed the server.  Can’t get through via either link.  So would appreciate those of you with the technology keeping the rest of us up to date.  This meeting may be the critical moment for the future of Anglicans in the US.
  Thanks also Karen for the link to Lent and Beyond (from earlier today).  If we can’t watch the proceedings, we can pray for all.
TJ

My problem is that the audio and video are out of sync and are constantly interrupted.  The problem must be with me, however.  (I’ve tried both links.)  Thanks again to those giving updates.

The feed here is working better for me than the one on Anglican TV.  This is very cool, and I can tell I’m not going to get much else done today!

Bishop Iker said that he is going to HoB meeting in September only out of respect for the ABC, he’ll be there so ++RDW can hear from the those who disagree in person, but he will not be there for table fellowship or Alter fellowship nor small group discussion. After he done what he has gone to do his plans are to return home.

+Duncan has given a rebuke for +++RDW’s silence on ACN and Camp Allen bishops, that the orthodox have not been supported by the ABC.

Very significant statement by Bishop Duncan, noting that despite pleas to the contrary the Archbishop of Canterbury has “never” spoken out in support of the American orthodox Bishops and it has become apparent where his sympathies lie.  He also underscored the futility of the Camp Allen meeting of so-called Windsor Bishops—when it was all said and done it was still the same four of five Bishops willing to speak out and take a stand.

“All of the western structures of the Anglican Communion are failing.”  New structures are required from which an Anglican presence in the US can rise.

“This is Good Friday.”  Very powerful.  Who is willing to stand at this critical point?

Shoot!!! I just missed Bp. Cox remarks.  Hoping for a summary of comments.  God bless Bp. Cox, he had such a profound effect on my early walk with the Lord!!

Hopefully, at least the mp3 audio will be available for download at the end of the day.  What is happening is too important to let glitches get in the way, but it would be nice to be able to listen later to the audio without gaps.

Kevin or someone who knows, can you post the time the broadcast will resume following lunch?  Thanks.

Session is scheduled to resume at 1:30 CDT.

Re:  ACN

You know, so many of us have benefited by these men and leaders in the last three years.  It is incumbent that we support them not only prayerfully, but FINANCIALLY.  Everyone who is a member of the ACN should support it - many do (including my parish) but more need too. 

Since they have ‘laid their lives on the line’ for the orthodox here, it seems only fair.

Thanks Greg.  And thanks to all who are making this broadcast possible.

It was a very powerful moment when Bishop Duncan began with the list of names of network leaders who have gone out of TEC over the last year. 

Dean Reed

GREG:  1:30 p.m. (13:30) central is 18:30 GMT.  During Daylight Savings Time, Central is only 5 hours earlier than GMT, not 6.

So, the broadcast will resume at 6:30 p.m. GMT
2:30 Eastern / 1:30 Central / 12:30 Mountain / 11:30 a.m.Pacific

Was anybody recording this? I didnt get here until close to noon and so missed it. Since I can’t get it live, can anyone help me???

Yours in Christ,
jacob

Elf,

I thought England was on their own daylight savings time, putting them back to CDT+6. Ah well, whatever… 1:30 CDT… everybody do your own math!

Kevin Kallsen is recording everything, and will have toay’s videos available tomorrow, and tomorrows’ lives feeds on Wednesday.

Yes Greg - thanks to you and the Elves for thinking of us.  It will be 7.30 p.m. our time I believe.  Very impressive streaming.

Ah, duh.  Sorry.  England is on Daylight Savings Time. Called BST.  British Summer Time.  GMT however never changes year round. 

So part of the year Britian is on GMT, part of the year it’s not.  How’s THAT for confusing! 

So yes, it will be 7:30 p.m. in London, which is 6:30 GMT.  Sorry for not thinking about that being the source of confusion.

Yes Greg - thanks to you and the Elves for thinking of us.  It will be 7.30 p.m. our time I believe.  Very impressive streaming.

Thank Kevin Kallsen for thinking of this.  The good folks at StandFirm and T19 kindly linked. 

And if you’d like more like this, please go to AnglicanTV.org and donate for upcoming events.  Kevin has no source of funding apart from donations, and digging deep into his own bank account.

Indeed Bill Witt and thanks to you and Kevin for this and for your reports which help keep us up to date in England. 

All the best.

PM

Elves - we have to do a double take some of the time but it is better than what went before GMT when each part of the UK had its own time-zone.

I see they haven’t gotten past running their schedule on “Episcopal Standard Time”...

Ah, the issue of Women’s Ordination. The path forward (I don’t know who this speaker is) is seen to be a thorough and faithful theological investigation (of scripture?) and a definitive statement to be issued. Apparently, in the mean time we will continue to muddle along as we have been.

This brings to my mind Ezra 2:62 and Nehemiah 7:64, which dealt similarly with the question of “just who specifically is qualified to be a priest?”

All we need now is to find out who is holding on to the Urim and the Thummim.

Is there a link to the document that they are now considering?

Voting time! They are caucusing on the Theological Statement.

I’m hooked in courtesy of the cell phone people, it’s doing a tolerable job. The audio only cuts off for the most critical pieces of information.

can we get a link to the doct just voted on?

I do not know whether this is the same document.  But there is a theological statement for the Common Cause Partnership on the ACN website.  This *COULD* be the document in question, but I don’t know that for a fact.

http://www.acn-us.org/common-cause-partners/

Clarification from Fr. Matt or someone else present would be helpful.

That is the correct document. 

Dean Reed

An up and down vote on the ratification of the statement of theology.  Clarification of the points (not debate) was brief.  7 minutes were allowed for the deputations to caucus and discuss.  +Duncan asked for a roll call.  There was no parliamentary procedure.  A bishop in the rear brought up the issue… We don’t know what ratification means here.  What are we agreeing to?  +Duncan stated that “We are willing to live with it the way it is and we will send along a number of things we think we can add and improve it”

San Joaquin at least raised the issue that we have had no time to look at the draft and received no supporting material.  +Duncan countered with a plea for trust recounting how negative experiences have been with TEC.  A motion was made to call the question and the roll was taken.  Pittsburgh only with reservations because of women’s ordination.

What I believe is that no one will recall that concern.  This will be the document with which you must live.  And the new “ecclesiastical structure” will have no room for women’s ordination.  Your female clergy should see the writing on the wall.  Those who currently have orders will be the last of their kind.

Both documents are available here.

The links to the documents aren’t working.

I’m sorry but this stream is not moving for me. What does the theological statement have to do with WO? It doesn’t mention it.

<blockquote>San Joaquin at least raised the issue that we have had no time to look at the draft</quote>

It’s been on the internet since August of 2006.

Deja Vu - fixed now. I just pasted the documents’ text into the post.

EmilyH

As someone in the room, I believe you are misinterpreting how this will play out.  The concerns of Pittsburgh and others are to be put into resolution form, discussed and likely voted on tomorrow.  Bishop Duncan has clearly and consistantly supported women in ordained ministry.  The Network has many ordained women on its rolls.  To suggest that those facts are simply being shrugged off just isn’t accurate.

What I believe is that no one will recall that concern.  This will be the document with which you must live.  And the new “ecclesiastical structure” will have no room for women’s ordination.  Your female clergy should see the writing on the wall.  Those who currently have orders will be the last of their kind.

EmilyH - I have read through the documents passed and see no mention of women’s ordination, nor anything that could reasonably be construed as limiting the same.  What language are you referring to?  And does anyone know what Pittsburgh was referring to?

PeterFrank,
Thanks for the “real time” perspective.  There are occasional posts here from folks who aim to sow dissention in our ranks.  I think that we will all be fine so long as those who refrain from WO are given some respect (which is no longer true in TEC)and orthodox ordained women are given some respect as well.

It would appear (from far away, outside the room) that the point of some of the resolutions is to effectively unify the existing Network with Common Cause (noting that it was already a strong alliance).  Is this interpretation correct?
TJ

“This will be the document with which you must live.  And the new “ecclesiastical structure” will have no room for women’s ordination. “

Well, the document says nothing of WO. So, if one felt that it had to be explicitly affirmed, this was sure to be a disappointment, as those might feel who think WO has to be prohibited. I agree that the path of AMiA in regard to the “theological investigation of WO” will be difficult to be overturned. Nevertheless, there are more pro-WO parishes than against in the Network. So I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion.

How did AMiA deal with women clergy? I think there was some sort of “grand-mothering” to allow those currently with clergy positions to remain functioning as they were, but no new ordinations to the priesthood, only to the diaconate.

My view of women in the church tends to be egalitarian, I’m a product of the modern culture, but WO is not acceptable because the issue speaks to the degree of authority granted Scripture, the degree of deference granted Christ’s example, and the degree of respect granted Tradition. I would never join common cause if WO was condoned going forward.

BTW, Matt+ (pro-WO) hosted a good debate/summary on WO right here several weeks ago. I started to enter the fray, but I wasn’t able to keep up with the voluminous number of posts and outside references.

Also on WO, Trinity Episcopal Seminary’s professors are more pro-WO than against, and they have a lot of clout in the Network/Common Cause.

This elf missed the early part of the video feed this morning.  Was there any explanation given for South Carolina’s absence?  Neither Kendall nor the Dio. of SC has anything posted.

“so long as those who refrain from WO are given some respect (which is no longer true in TEC)and orthodox ordained women are given some respect as well. “

That is the commitment we made from the beginning as the ACN.

Dean Reed, from Fort Worth

Here’s a link about a WO ceremony by a Santa Barbara newspaper:

http://www.independent.com/news/2007/jul/26/women-anointed-catholic-deacons-priest-sb/

Guernsey+ talked of an alliance moving toward a federation and a trajectory.  I am suggesting that the both the great majority of the partnership will oppose women’s ordination and, it will be difficult, to oppose their control.  There will not be the hoped for consensus (Article 9?) and a proposal dis affirming women’s ordination will likely achieve a 3/4 majority.  Pittsburgh itself is in a minority position on this issue.  Even those who may support women’s ordination (Matt Kennedy+) draw the line at the episcopate.  Interesting to me, was it Joan? who raised the question about the choice of verbiage Article 4 Sec. 5 of the structure document that the pronoun used for General Secretary was “he” and was that gender specific or not.  Guersey+ thought not, but if this document been ratified as written, will anyone remember that the Guernsey+ thought not or, if they wished to later use this article as proscriptive regarding gender, what is there to indicate that it is not?  The wording is “he”

EmilyH, may I request a point of clarification?  Are you saying that anyone who is staunchly in favor of WO should NOT depart from TEC because the proposed alternative ecclesiastical structure will not permit WO? 

Is that the underlying purpose of your recent posts?

Dean Reed,
That was my understanding (re: Network and WO).  Clearly, the issue has been adequately addressed, but this will not keep our Worthy Opponents from trying to use it to divide the orthodox.
Many thanks
TJ

Many Kudos to Kevin but also ACN/Common Cause for the complete openness of this meeting, worts and all. Though the high point was the hope by the partners. REC really was an uplifting talk.

Oh for heaven’s sake, EmilyH.  Who cares.  As one who supports women’s ordination, even to the Episcopate, using “he” doesn’t matter.  Haven’t you ever seen Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan?  “Take her out, Mr. Saavik.”

bb

I too enjoyed what Bp. Sutton with the REC had to say. I wonder who else outside TEC is at the meeting.  Matt or anyone is there a list?
B+

TUaD, as someone said above, the purpose is “sowing dissension.”  One might just as well say (of ECUSA), “I am suggesting that both the great majority of the church will favor abortion and it will be difficult to oppose their control,” or, “I am suggesting that both the great majority of the church will favor SS ‘marriage’ and it will be difficult to oppose their control.”  In ECUSA’s case, this is a sign of the glorious diversity of the institution, while, in contrast, disagreements between Network members are signs of a tightly-wound powder keg waiting to fracture just as soon as a common focus for hatred is removed.  Clear as mud?

...this will not keep our Worthy Opponents from trying to use it to divide the orthodox.

Did you think this was happening on this thread TJ?

Yes, Hosea, fully agree about the amazing fact that ACN is allowing this to be broadcast live.  Wonderful to see this transparency.  I can’t imagine anything better or more helpful in the current climate of tension, anxiety and strained trust.  It is excellent to have this being available to any and all who care about the future of orthodox Anglicanism in N. America.  I too loved the presentations by the Common Cause partnership.

—elfgirl

Thanks Phil.  I think the same thoughts.  Clear as mud and Anglican Fudge.

bob+,

At least a partial list of those outside TEC who have representatives in attendance:

AMiA
CANA
REC
APA
Forward in Faith

What I am suggesting is, as the hot button of the Anglican Communion is now homosexuality, the hot button of the partnership will be women’s ordination.  Maybe not immediately, not now as a common foe is faced, but soon.  Pittsburgh may be concerned.  They may have added a “reservation”, but they voted yes to the theology statement as written.  If the Network ratifies the structure document, it has conceded to the partnership’s structure and authority and its 3/4 majority.  Within the 39 articles there is the statement that no one will be compelled to believe (accept?) that which is not written in holy scripture.  Women’s Ordination is not affirmatively contained in scripture.  And some can argue, following on Paul, that women are intended to keep quiet in church.  I am suggesting that the “some” can and will so argue.  They will have a heavy majority to back it up with a vote.

I would not be so sure that there are more pro-wo parishes in the Network than against - it seems counter intuitive - how would one ascertain their current position.  Also, many parishes in the Network who are pro-wo may not make the final separation from TEC regardless of the Common Cause position on WO. Also, the “polity” of the individual Netork parishes after any departure from TEC is likely to move against WO as any TEC loyalists in those Parishes are likely pro-WO and may not make the separation with the departing Parish. With the elements of the Continuim in common cause (REC, APA others in FACA) - pkus FWIF Parishes and the dioceses of Fort Worth and San Joachin - I think it will be a very lopsided polity against future WO.

Truth Unites….

Did you think this was happening on this thread TJ?

  Read the posts above from the esteemed EmilyH.  Don’t you think that is what she is trying to do?

TJ, oh yeah.  Arguably, WO’s off-topic, but I do grant EmilyH’s point in that it is a worthy consideration.  In fact, it’s been debated and discussed in various threads on various Anglican blogs.

And some can argue, following on Paul, that women are intended to keep quiet in church.  I am suggesting that the “some” can and will so argue.  They will have a heavy majority to back it up with a vote.
Well, TEC has already set a shining example for us all on how this debate should be handled by the “heavy majority,” yes?  Hopefully, we won’t repeat TEC’s style of dealing with disagreement (i.e., steamroller the dissidents, full speed ahead).

the hot button of the partnership will be women’s ordination.  Maybe not immediately, not now as a common foe is faced, but soon.

Don’t you think the ACN knows that? If for no other reason SF has been diligent to explore hot topics such as WO or Anglo-Cath/Evangelical issues. Often drawing some pretty impressive folks and common schmucks like me exploring these issues. The happy-face facade of the ACN that was seen May was exposed by some passionate dialog on T19 and SF, I’ve seen changes in who saying what and a different approach used and probably much work behind the scenes. Known problems can be addressed and issues worked through and these blogs have provided a unique forum where deep issues can be exposed ahead of time that leaders can be proactive in solutions instead of merely reactive.

Was anyone else blown away by the Bible lesson? I know I was. I’m going to be reflecting on it and praying about it for a while.

The Miracle - and it’s no small miracle - is that we evangelicals and Anglo Catholics have been able to bridge and unite after a hundred years of fighting.  The liberal “broad church” was formed in the midst of the war between the Anglo Catholics and Evangelicals.  Now that we are at this most desperate hour (help me, Obi Wan Kenobi), we are united in charity.  Bishop Ackerman is an excellent example of one who does not yet - and may never - support women’s ordination, but is gracious and open to women ordained.  We have not found such graciousness inside TEC - be us orthodox Anglo Catholic or evangelical.  We continue to pray that we will remain united and not divide, even when we are baited to do so.

bb

Hosea, elves, et al.
Just last week I was complaining rather loudly about the lack of information (I think I took a pretty good shot at Chris Seitz in the process).  In the interim, Drs. Radner and Noll have issued position statements, the GS has been crystal clear, there has been the +Scott-Joynt statement about bishops in the CoE, and now we have this marvelous access to the Network’s meeting.  This is, literally, the answer to many prayers.

I tuned in this afternoon. An excellent use of my time.

Wow!  Hearing ++Venables may have just been the most important part of today’s broadcast.  So much of what he said is relevant beyond the crucial issues the Network or even the Anglican Communion is facing.

—Going where you only have Jesus.
—Leaving behind Ishmael (the human solutions)
—Being willing even to leave behind Isaac (our hopes and dreams)

and being willing to let whatever emerges to not have our names written on it, but God’s.

Powerful powerful words that spoke straight to my heart with it seemed the very real force of the Holy Spirit propelling them.

Watching almost all of this broadcast today has been amazing, but this was a truly unexpected treat and so deeply edifying while also being profoundly challenging.

Lots to think and pray about tonight.

tjmcmahon:

Isn’t eating your words great when it’s the LORD who is proving you wrong. This happens to me all the time, I love it when it’s from Him. 

The_Elves :

You and I both.  I was suddenly struck with what a privilege that Kevin has given us by doing this - what a privilege to hear this great man speak and be encouraged by his words.

What are the Ismaels I cling too?  What Isaacs do I not want to loose?  These words can be applied to our Christian Communities but they are also cleave personally into my heart.

Thanks be to God for AB Venables.  Thanks be to God for men like Kevin who are willing to do this for all of us.

Makes me appreciate how blessed we all are -

Thank you Greg and all at SF and to Kevin K. at Anglican TV for this very important UStream! I don’t envy these wonderful men & women in Bedford, Tx the weather that is there, but I just know that God is at work right now in Bedford. What a powerful yet loving and truthful speech by AB Venables of the So. Cone. WOW!!!! Does anyone know wht the consensus was on the 39 Articles Ratification…..? I missed it as I was unpacking from my stint in Texas!

I had a disruption right after Bishop Venables asked them to take __________________ and pray about it this evening.

Can anyone fill it in?

Very sobering statements from the Bishop. TEC is not going to change.

One Day Closer, the vote on the THEOLOGICAL statement was unanimous of all dioceses and convocations present (i.e. excluding absent South Carolina) with a reservation noted by Pittsburgh about wanting further clarification re: women’s ordination issues.

The vote on the Common Cause articles is not until tomorrow.

If there was some specific vote re: 39 Articles, I missed it too.

Many thanks to Kevin and SF - et al.  This was a girt.  Thank you!

How will we be able to get the tapes (either video or audio)?  Will we be able to download them or will we have to order them and wait?  I am really anxious to hear and/or see everything without any breaks in the dialog and without the interuptions of 4 kids.  How do we donate to Kevin to help defray his costs and time?

Kristi, Matt+ the robopriest strikes again and had his fingers flying liveblogging.  He’s got his notes posted already.  Amazing. 

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/4745/

He doesn’t quote the part about ++Venables charging them all to pray tonight however.  I think it was about what would they be willing to give up.  Where is God calling them?

Oops.  This was a GIFT!  Guess we know where we’ll be tomorrow morning—right here.

Is there going to be a list of who’s there?

Totally agree, “Elves”

Hearing ++Venables may have just been the most important part of today’s broadcast.  So much of what he said is relevant beyond the crucial issues the Network or even the Anglican Communion is facing.

I was totally inspired by his message and today, actually have wept off and on at hearing and seeing these various segments and the clergy whom I admire urge us also to STAND FIRM!
Your post captured the main points, but ++Venables himself said if you remember only one thing about what he was saying ... ” ‘SOBVIOUS” so, don’t forget to remember ” ‘SOBVIOUS!” I am more aware than ever (due to this blog) the clarity that is coming forth due to events in TEC and with invitations, etc. by the ABoC. We surely are being prepared for the trek ahead and we do recognize that suffering for Christ is what is being asked of us. Lord, give us the strength.
Thanks be to God for His unfathomable Grace and Mercy!
Merlena C.

Wow!  Got it all this afternoon.  Thank you, Kevin.

This stream and other instant communications, such as the GS Steering Committee Statement, are a testament to how this site is serving the Lord is a very special way at this very special time. As difficult as this struggle is, it would be infinitely more difficult without this forum.  No wonder that some want to shut it down!

I hope the video of all of the leaders is posted and watched. The devotional was fantastic. On the business side, when you listen to Bishop Duncan answer questions, remember that he is not a wild-eyed zealot, rather among the orthodox he has been a voice of moderation and caution. He long worked for reform from within TEC.  In terms of the Communion, no one has been more solicitous and deferential to the Archbishop of Canterbury, or desirous of a Canterbury centered solution.  He has worked tirelessly for it. That makes his analysis of the situation with the ABC and Lambeth and his call for “new wineskins” all the more significant.

Imothy, re: your comment about Bp. Duncan, I agree wholeheartedly.  You could see the deep pain he felt at the failure of the Network to succeed in its goal to stay and be a call for repentance and renewal from within ECUSA.  It is clear that many are still in shock over the place where the Network finds itself and the decisions that lie ahead.  It was deeply moving during part of today’s business section to see +Duncan totally choked up and near tears as he pleaded with folks not to replicate the failed models of ECUSA and to work to build and cling to trust.  He noted several times the ways in which the “child” (the Network) is at risk of following in the steps of the mother which birthed it (ECUSA) in terms of expecting the meaning of words to be changed.  Of assuming betrayal.  Of legislating everything.  It was good to hear such real risks to the future of the Network and the call to unity and bearing with one another in love (to also avoid the legacy of the splits of the Continuum as each branch tried to create a more perfect and pure church).  I am so thankful for +Bob Duncan.  His lion heart shone brightly today, even as his pain and brokenness was also deeply evident for all to see.

It’s true what they say about pictures being worth a 1000 words.  Live streaming audio might just be “priceless” as the commercial goes.  No words or text can replace having had the opportunity to watch and hear this live.  Agree with whoever it was above (L2?) who called this a gift.  Indeed!

How do we donate to Kevin to help defray his costs and time?

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I have been touched and inspired in so many ways by being able to watch the live streaming of the ACN Council Meeting, video glitches and all.  Enormous thanks to Kevin whom I support financially as much as I am able (along with StandFirm and my parish, of course).

RE: Women’s Ordination - one comment mentioned something to the effect that once the new province/structure is in place, the Common Cause Partners can actually study the issue, which those who illegally proceeded NEVER gave the Anglican Communion a chance to do before it was a fait accompli.

RE: transparency - Evil deeds are done in darkness or behind closed doors and conservatives have been the objects of so much evil that it is a breath of fresh air to hear, see, and contemplate the actions of the ACN (and Common Cause Partners) right out in the open for anyone to observe. 

RE:  Bishop Duncan - I was grieved by the amount of distress this man has suffered for the Gospel.  He is demonized by our Worthy Opponents.  We should pray especially for him.

RE:  Bishop Stanton - I notice that part way through the morning that it was Bp. Stanton who raised the question of whether the live streaming would be suspended if any discussions would put someone at risk.  In the spirit of charity, I won’t try to characterize Bp Stanton, but I will say that I really admired Bp. Duncan’s response of courage and challenge:  Go ahead [TEc]. Bring it on.  Make my day.  Bp. Duncan is working without any “net” other than Jesus Christ. 

Re: Archbishop Gregory Venables - What a leader!  His understanding of what is at stake and the cost is clearheaded and forthright.  We have become so used to episcopal doublespeak in this country that statements from this godly man (and ++Orombi) are almost shocking to listen to, aren’t they?  Well, we need to be shocked out of our complacency and our efforts to cling to anything other than Jesus Christ, our Saviour.  I hope everyone gets a chance to hear his talk.  If an audio or video link becomes available, I’m going to e-mail it to my whole parish.

Didn’t get any of my errands done today but it was worth it to stay tuned in and hear what was said and done, including the tone of voice used, the questions raised, and the answers given.

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Done!  Let me encourage everyone else who is able to slide some greenbacks Kevin’s way…at the peak today I saw 250 viewers, if each gave $5 that would be a substantial donation…

James, great idea!  I saw the counter up to 290 this afternoon as ++Venables was speaking.  I was babysitting my grandson and he didn’t go down for a nap until after 3:00, otherwise I would’ve been tuned in earlier!  (Saw our rector’s wife among the attendees chatting during the break before the last session.)

Hi
I missed this session.  Are you going to run them all again or make a dvd?
Thanks
Tom
Diocese of the San Joaquin

Great idea about giving $5.00. I just donated. Let’s see how fast we can give Kevin some extra help.

I too watched as much as I could of the streaming video today and was greatly inspired. I would beg everyone not to initiate nor to encourage orthodox divisions based on differing views of WO or evangalism vs. catholicity, as any of those permutations, together with orthodoxy, would be infinitely better than what we are being offered by TEC right now. Besides, as someone has already pointed out, our orthodox leaders give every indication of being men of good will, who will not try to streamroller anybody.

The complete lack of orthodox leadership of the Windsor bishops, mentioned by +Duncan, is however, disappointing, although enlightening. My bishop (+Wimberly) is one of those, and it is difficult not to become exasperated while waiting for September.

A particular highlight of the day was the address by Bishop Harvey from Canada.  His passion and clarity were refreshing.  The “soft conservatives” who are willing to stay at the table at all costs were taken to task in his remarks and he drew a very clear line in the sand that will likely be the final marker.  It would seem something big is being prepared for our friends north of the border post 9/30.  God bless Bishop H.

Rreed, is there any reason to believe that anything in September will change things for +Wimberly?