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+Gomez: ‘The Gospel must take precedence over culture’

Thursday, August 30, 2007 • 8:17 am

Guardian:
Two American priests were consecrated Thursday as Anglican bishops in Kenya, the latest in a string of conservative priests who are defecting to African churches in a dispute over gay clergy.

Bill Atwood of Texas and William Murdoch of Massachusetts left the Episcopal Church - the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Communion - because it allows the ordination of gay priests.

"The gospel ... must take precedence over culture,'' said Archbishop Drexel Gomez of the West Indies, one of 10 Anglican leaders or representatives who attended the ceremony in Nairobi's All Saints Cathedral. ``Homosexual practice violates the order of life given by God in Holy Scripture.''

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++Gomez was there, probably participating rather than observing. This is huge. +++ABC will take note.

As usual, the Guardian has run to Mac-Iyalla for “balance” even though this is not Nigeria and Mac-Iyalla does not seem to have any company in his lonely pro-gay African quest.

[1] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 08-30-2007 at 07:36 AM • top

``The gospel ... must take precedence over culture,’’ said Archbishop Drexel Gomez of the West Indies, one of 10 Anglican leaders or representatives who attended the ceremony in Nairobi’s All Saints Cathedral.

Well, if we desire confirmation of some unique exchanges on SF & T19 about the coordinated effort, this statement from ++Gomez is different from ones he has made in the past about unfortunate “anomalies”. Not saying he does not view this as an unfortunate anomaly either, but now communicates it as a necessary unfortunate situation.

All to say it’s good to see unity in the GS primates. I trust ++Gomez has not radically changed his desires to see a process work within current structures, but obviously more unified in his faith of Jesus our Lord to join the other primates for this event.

[2] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 08-30-2007 at 07:52 AM • top

“The gospel ... must take precedence over culture,’’ said Archbishop Drexel Gomez of the West Indies, one of 10 Anglican leaders or representatives who attended the ceremony in Nairobi’s All Saints Cathedral. ``Homosexual practice violates the order of life given by God in Holy Scripture.’’

It would be nice to hear that this was more than noteworthy. It sounds more like the speak that should be coming from a leader in a Christian Church.
“Do I hear a second to ++Gomez’s motion?”

[3] Posted by Laytone on 08-30-2007 at 07:58 AM • top

Yes, Archbishop Gomez did participate. He was the preacher and a great job he did. I know because there. What an honor it was to be in attendance.

It was a great service four hours and forty-five minutes long. It was so wonderful with such a it great spirit that seemed like half that length. I counted nine primates or representives of primates. I may have missed one. Others can correct me. Present were the Primates of Central Africa, West Africa, Rwanda, Uganda, Kenya, West Indies, Southern Cone, and Indian Ocean. An archbishop from Nigeria represented Archbishop Akinola. Sorry, I don’t remember his name. Also present from the United were Duncan, Iker, Minns, and Chuck Murphy.

Great experience. What a joy!

[4] Posted by Bill Thompson+ on 08-30-2007 at 07:59 AM • top

Here’s a photo of the newly-minted Bishops.

http://tinyurl.com/24xx26

[5] Posted by Chazaq on 08-30-2007 at 08:03 AM • top

and Chuck Murphy

That’s VERY encouraging.

[6] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 08-30-2007 at 08:03 AM • top

What about Mouneer Anis?  Province of Jerusalem & Middle East or anyone from SE Asia.  They strike me as likely candidates for the “10th Primate”

[7] Posted by The_Elves on 08-30-2007 at 08:44 AM • top

DUNCAN was there??? IKER???????? Oh my.
This is indeed huge.  An 835 nightmare! That Sauls is gathering addresses of departed churches means they will probably launch a legal assualt, together with presentments, against priests and bishops who have worked with the orthodox in their parishes and dioceses. +Duncan and +Iker are certain targets, but their moves towards Africa will give much for Beers and company to think about. Do they really really want some court to determine what the Anglican Communion REALLY is?  They could loose that one, and all that lovely real estate they so covet if the African Anglicans come all in on the bets. +++ABC must be having indigestion with his morning poached with sausage.

This is really getting interesting. We seem to be ending the “Peace in Our Time” phase and entering the “We shall fight them on the beaches” phase. Thank God.

[8] Posted by teddy mak on 08-30-2007 at 09:14 AM • top

Once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide, and we have been gifted with more apostolic leadership. Deo Gracias! Soon it will be high noon.

[9] Posted by Bob Maxwell+ on 08-30-2007 at 09:24 AM • top

Wonder what the ACI guys think about +Gomez, one of their sponsors, fully participating in these consecration.  It looks like +Gomez is moving forward with the ACN’s vision, not the ACI’s.  Or at least he does not object.

This is a significant development, I’d say.

[10] Posted by Steve Lake on 08-30-2007 at 04:01 PM • top

Wonder what the ACI guys think about +Gomez, one of their sponsors, fully participating in these consecration.  It looks like +Gomez is moving forward with the ACN’s vision, not the ACI’s.  Or at least he does not object.

Would it be safe to say that ACI already knew and endorsed ++Gomez’s participation (even though ++Gomez doesn’t technically need or require ACI’s “approval”)?  If so, perhaps the gap between ACI and ACN is narrowing and Dr. Radner will soon retract his Day 2 resignation from ACN.

[11] Posted by Truth Unites... and Divides on 08-30-2007 at 04:45 PM • top

Much vitality here as Anglican Primates consecrate new bishops to serve in America and elsewhere.  Much to rejoice about.  Yet, if we take Archbishop Gomez’ words seriously, we need to do some personal inventory. How have I allowed the values of my culture to erode the foundations established by Christ and His Apostles?  Do I really believe that the Bible is trustworthy?

[12] Posted by Alice Linsley on 09-02-2007 at 05:13 PM • top

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