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Thursday Afternoon Press Conference (Live-blog Text added and edited)

Thursday, September 20, 2007 • 3:40 pm


The bishops are entering the room. Bishop O’Neill and Bishop Rabb from Maryland

Neva Fox is giving some information for reporters…she is expecting text for the ABC’s speech tonight.

Ms Fox introduces the bishops:

Opening statements:

ONeill: Our meeting with the ABC began today we have 3 sessions this morning and afternoon and tomorrow morning. This morning was an opportunity to reflect on issues before us as a house to take some time to articulate the landscape of the American church where we see ourselves. This afternoon Rowan spoke to us set a context for our conversation. Following that we reflected on the questions he asked us and our responses to him were given.

Tomorrow some visitors from the Communion will give their response to us and a more free flowing conversation will ensue

Rabb: this is probably the largest gathering of Bishops that we’ve had in a long time and probably the broadest theologically. Our conversation, and the word is rooted in conversion, it has been respectful, rich in content looking at all the issues, the house has specific norms that we’ve lived with for the last 3 years as to how we will address one another. The conversation was respectful we listened to the ABC and the working questions he presented. We are set up in table groups. On two occasions we spoke in a group and then we summarized that and shared in with the whole body.

Questions:

Steve Waring (TLC): Can you share any remarks from the ABC with regard to jurisdiction?

ONeill: The ABC needs to speak for himself in that regard. I can say that the subject came up and we had conversation about it.

NYT: would you be able to share the questions that came up from the ABC?

Rabb: One had to do with talking about specifics regarding our role and life as bishops. The second is how we might provide appropriate pastoral care for the whole church. They were general but designed to lead to specific and detailed conversations.

Virtue: There was a report of the 8 bishops who were identified as Episcopal Visitors. There is some confusion. Did they know about it what is going on?

ONeill: there is not much to add. KJS announced the proposal and it is in the process of being discussed

Question (don’t know who it is from): Can you give some more details about her role in the proposal?

ONeill: The Presiding Bishop will have to give that to you. She will be the one to provide the details.

Question: Has the question of attendance at Lambeth invitations come up?

ONeill/Rabb together: Yes

Laughter

Rabb: Concerns have come up about who was invited;

Question: Can you be specific?

David Virtue: Will VGR be coming?

ONeill: Only the ABC can answer that.

Rabb: Yes.

Question: Who will decide on whether or not the Episcopal Church is in compliance with Windsor?

ONeill: Our responses were, according to the Windsor Report, reviewed by a body appointed by the ABC that group, the Subgroup, found our response adequate.

Question: What about the Dar Es Salaam Communique?

Rabb: The DES simply is a primates’ document and it had a date but the results of that plan will need to be weighed in a different manner.

Question: Is The ABC here representing the primates?

Rabb: No, he is here as the ABC.

Boston Globe: Did the ABC ask you to do anything to keep the Communion requests?

ONeill: there were no specific requests from the ABC. He was here to talk.

Boston Globe: What was the sense of his attitude toward the bishops?

ONeill: He was open to conversation.

Rabb: He was respectful and in keeping with the purposes of this meeting

Bruce Nolan: Did the delegates from the PSC and the ACC participate in the conversation?

ONeill: yes they sat at the tables with the bishops. There was a good and full discussion.

NYT: First, was there any sense of what may be at stake; that all of this talk about rupture in the church, is there a sense that the stakes are higher? Second: of those who spoke would you say there is a majority response to the DES?

Rabb: As to your 2. The DES was not the essence of all of our conversation. It was part of our conversation, but our conversation was broader and deeper than that. It was not about the Communiqué; that is only one part of our life together.

ONeill: I think the best way to characterize our conversation is to say that collectively, as a house of bishops, we take our responsibilities and ministries very seriously and we are passionate about the work we do. And the conversation to day reflected a passionate commitment to both TEC and the global Anglican Communion.

End

 


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Comments:

Thanks Matt!

RSB

[1] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 02:52 PM • top

I think Kevin is going to try and live stream it as well at Anglican TV.
http://www.anglicantv.org/blog/index.cfm/2007/9/20/New-Orleans-HOB-Thursday-Press-Conference

[2] Posted by The_Elves on 09-20-2007 at 02:53 PM • top

Thanks Matt. What time zone are you in? Are you 2 hours ahead of Pacific time, or is it only one hour? I don’t have a time zone map right in front of me right now.

Thanks!
Mugsie

[3] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 02:59 PM • top

Mugsie: 2 hours ahead.

[4] Posted by larswife on 09-20-2007 at 03:01 PM • top

New Orleans is in Central.

[5] Posted by anglicanhopeful on 09-20-2007 at 03:01 PM • top

Wait a minute; it may only be 1 hour.  It’s currently coming up on 4:00 our time

[6] Posted by larswife on 09-20-2007 at 03:02 PM • top

Just got my own question answered when I went to the link from the elves. Its CST. That means PST is 2 hours behind. So, guys out here on the coast, let’s gear up. They’ll be on the air any time now.

Lots of prayers going out to all you guys there doing all this work to keep us informed.

In His love,
Mugsie

[7] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 03:02 PM • top

Thanks Larswife and Anglicanhopeful for your replies.

[8] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 03:05 PM • top

Matt+,
  first thanks for all the hard work. On AnglicanTV they are showing the room. It’s pretty bleak looking with a dark curtain and all. Does it look that bad live?

[9] Posted by Rocks on 09-20-2007 at 03:11 PM • top

Rocks,

Its fairly dark and dungeonesque…

[10] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 09-20-2007 at 03:12 PM • top

God can shine His light even through the darkness. Let’s keep focused on that light and trust in Him.

[11] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 03:17 PM • top

Well said, Mugsie.

[12] Posted by larswife on 09-20-2007 at 03:20 PM • top

Matt+,
You described a “hardening” of resolve before. Is there any one who seems open or willing to move some ya think? Just as a general attitude you are getting I mean.

[13] Posted by Rocks on 09-20-2007 at 03:26 PM • top

Technical question. How do we view a “live blog”. Would someone please explain for the computer challenged like myself?

[14] Posted by Deja Vu on 09-20-2007 at 03:34 PM • top

DV,

Anglican TV will be video taping this thing live. You can watch it at the link above.

I will be taking notes and uploading them as the conference progresses for those whose computers are not up to snuff

[15] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 09-20-2007 at 03:38 PM • top

The post will be updated frequently and you just hit the refresh button on your browser

[16] Posted by John316 on 09-20-2007 at 03:38 PM • top

Hey folks, the port for this feed is blocked by my company…anything important happening?

RSB

[17] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 03:57 PM • top

Great work, both Kev and Matt+—many, many thanks for all your trouble to report to us on this vacuous performance.

[18] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 09-20-2007 at 04:00 PM • top

Thank you, Kevin & Matt+!

[19] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 09-20-2007 at 04:01 PM • top

Just reading it, it gave nothing.

RSB

[20] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 04:01 PM • top

RSB,
  well, they DID use the word “conversation 18 times.

[21] Posted by Creedal Episcopalian on 09-20-2007 at 04:03 PM • top

Sounds like a real FudgeFest so far.

the snarkster

[22] Posted by the snarkster on 09-20-2007 at 04:03 PM • top

Our conversation, and the word is rooted in conversion, ...

There sure was a lot of the use of “conversation” in that news brief by those two.  Makes one wonder…

[23] Posted by larswife on 09-20-2007 at 04:05 PM • top

Now THAT was sad.  The lack of information was one thing, but O’Neill’s grinning and mugging was creepy.  He looked like a kid enjoying pulling the wings off a fly…

[24] Posted by marney on 09-20-2007 at 04:05 PM • top

Devoid of substance ... even fudgeless which is saying something

[25] Posted by Bill C on 09-20-2007 at 04:07 PM • top

The feed was choppy on my system, but I did see and hear most of it once it got past the introductions. Ultimately, I felt they told us nothing. The key questions asked were deferred to the ABC or KJS regarding the Communique and the APO document being discussed in the blogs today.

They stated that the meeting was not just about the Communique, but was “much deeper than that”. I would have liked more elaboration on that phrase of words. What was “deeper” than the Communique at this point and time? The whole AC is waiting to see the response to the Communique and what the ABC ultimately does after he contemplates what transpires at this meeting.

[26] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:07 PM • top

Marney, you’re right. I noticed that too. I felt he was smirking. It didn’t exactly give him any credibility in my opinion.

[27] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:09 PM • top

Conversation - if that is what we have waited all this time for, well then we have wasted the best portion of a year on these yahoos.
We would be, as Robert Earl Keen one wrote “guilty of a dreadful selfish crime; I have robbed myself of all my precious time”.

Maybe God has called ++Peter to be in the States this week for a purpose.

RSB

[28] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 04:09 PM • top

What a bunch of nothing.  Can you imagine having to sit through what these guys sat through today.  Uggh.

[29] Posted by Philip Bowers on 09-20-2007 at 04:11 PM • top

Question: Who will decide on whether or not the Episcopal Church is in compliance with Windsor?

ONeill: Our responses were, according to the Windsor Report, reviewed by a body appointed by the ABC ,that group, the Subgroup, found our response adequate.

Question: What about the Dar Es Salaam Communique?

Rabb: The DES simply is a primates’ document and it had a date but the results of that plan will need to be weighed in a different manner.

They are going for the whole pot.

[30] Posted by Creedal Episcopalian on 09-20-2007 at 04:11 PM • top

Yeah Creedal, I noticed that too!  Its almost as it O’Neil was telling ++Rowan it was already decided.

RSB

[31] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 04:13 PM • top

If that’s all they had to tell us, then you’re right. It was not a fruitful day. However, God does work in mysterious ways, in HIS time. The meeting is not over yet. The key thing for all of us now is “patience”. We must wait patiently for our Lord to speak. He will! Maybe He even spoke today in a sense that TEC is not working in the direction of preserving the truth of the Scriptures and cares not about the Word of God, but only about the Word of TEC. It’s much too soon to say. I personally need more time to see how this all comes out. I’m eagerly waiting to see what the ABC has to say once he mulls over everything. I’ll also be interested in anything the GS primates have to contribute once they have mulled this over also.

Blessings to all!

[32] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:17 PM • top

O’Neill smirks like that at his peril.  If I were the NYT or AP reporter I would note that in my news article, along with the deliberate avoidance of answering questions and the laughable mantra of “conversation.”  He finished the news conference plainly very smug and proud of himself.  He did 815 no favors whatsoever.  Let’s hope he’s the spokesman throughout.

[33] Posted by VaAnglican on 09-20-2007 at 04:19 PM • top

<blockquote>David Virtue: Will VGR be coming?

ONeill: Only the ABC can answer that.

Rabb: Yes.>/blockquote
Am reading this correctly that Rabb said yes VGR is going to Lambeth?

[34] Posted by art+ on 09-20-2007 at 04:24 PM • top

Creedal and RS Bunker I wasn’t able to come to that same conclusion from what little transpired so far. I’m not going to draw any conclusions yet,  but I have heard what you’ve said and it’s tucked safely into my memory banks for further consideration once more transpires.

At this point, I don’t trust TEC at all. I DO trust the Lord! I believe He is at work for our best interests, whether it be to have the AC pull apart due to the enormous amount of heresy that has crept in, or whether He plans to work miracles to pull it back together remains to be seen. I do know the prophecies of Daniel. There is going to be a huge battle between the antichrist and our Lord in the end. We’re already on the timeline for that. I’m not forgetting that important detail of Scriptures. As to EXACTLY where we are on that timeline, it’s anybody’s guess. But what’s happening in various provinces of the AC right now is definitely the work of the antichrist. I believe that strongly.

[35] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:25 PM • top

I just get the feeling very few people with a purple shirt is taking this seriously.  I don’t know if they are in complete denial or complete ignorance.  I watched that news conference and the answers they gave and .....I just don’t think they understand the gravity of the situation. 

N

[36] Posted by nette on 09-20-2007 at 04:25 PM • top

Told you so! You should have gone on the walkabout with +++RW.

the snarkster

[37] Posted by the snarkster on 09-20-2007 at 04:27 PM • top

Either that or they are under orders not to acknowledge it.

Stu

[38] Posted by Stu Howe on 09-20-2007 at 04:31 PM • top

The Rockies need O’Neill, if he’s going to be swinging for the fences that way.  It sounds like Integrity is going to get its wish from the HOB, and 815 will get to discover why they have air conditioning in the court house in Fort Worth.

[39] Posted by murbles on 09-20-2007 at 04:31 PM • top

art+, I think Rabb was simply agreeing with O’Neill that only RW could say whether VGR was coming to Lambeth, and his “yes” was agreement with O’Neill, not an affirmative to whether VGR would be attending Lambeth.

Another thought about the smirk.  O’Neill must be very confident that RW will not see any film of the news conference, or he doesn’t care.  I can’t imagine with all at stake, RW being very amused with O’Neill’s childishness.

[40] Posted by VaAnglican on 09-20-2007 at 04:34 PM • top

Nette, I don’t think they understand the gravity of the situation either. The Scriptures tell us that men will be so deceived that they will be convinced that the heresy they believe and teach is “truth”.

[41] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:35 PM • top

No, +Rabb’s “yes” was to agree with ONeill’s answer: “Yes, ONeill is right”

[42] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 09-20-2007 at 04:36 PM • top

mugsie,

That’s perfectly fair.  I spent a lot of years parsing tea leaves for political content, heck when I was young it was part of what I did for work.  I may be overly cynical, but O’Neil was definitely trying to create momentum for the idea that the report ++Rowan signed off on in DES was the answer to that question..

RSB

[43] Posted by R S Bunker on 09-20-2007 at 04:37 PM • top

Another thought about the smirk.  O’Neill must be very confident that RW will not see any film of the news conference, or he doesn’t care.  I can’t imagine with all at stake, RW being very amused with O’Neill’s childishness.

Well said, VaAnglican. The importance of what this meeting was set up for is not “smirk” material and it was indeed very childish and cocky for anyone to “smirk” at a press conference or anywhere.

[44] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:39 PM • top

RSB, you may be right. I just don’t know at this point. The whole press conference was so vague.

[45] Posted by mugsie on 09-20-2007 at 04:42 PM • top

He guys, let me give you a little advice:  Nawlins is a great and fun place.  Eat a lot, sleep late, visit with your friends ‘cause ain’t nuttin goin to happen.  When it is over, TEC will not comply, ABC will just look puzzled and speak amorphous words, All of them will rejoice over their wonderful modern, inovative church, and the orthodox will be invisible.  Live it up and don[t take any of this seriously.

[46] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 09-20-2007 at 04:49 PM • top

Smirk?  Perhaps he’s had cosmetic surgery.

God is in control and those who remain faithful to Him can know His peace that passeth understanding.  We have no need to get our knickers in a twist.  The AC is not what is at stake here.  Souls are, and also our full knowledge that He loves us. 
We pray for strength for our leaders, and for His reality in the hearts and minds of those who would truly keep Him at bay.

[47] Posted by Bill C on 09-20-2007 at 05:26 PM • top

“ONeill: Our responses were, according to the Windsor Report, reviewed by a body appointed by the ABC that group, the Subgroup, found our response adequate”.

More cow chips.  This isn’t true at all.  The SubGroup Report considers B033 to be compliant(what a joke, I know), but asked for clarification on the issue of same-sex blessings. 

O’Neill should stick to the facts and lay off the spin. 

Now back to their regularly scheduled “reflective” conversation….

hmmm

[48] Posted by Passing By on 09-20-2007 at 08:40 PM • top

This sounds as oddly vacuous as the news conferences at DES.
Those too were ridiculously pro everything is nice even while no one was showing up for Eucharists. It may just be matter of keeping things calm but frankly it comes of as delusional.

[49] Posted by Rocks on 09-20-2007 at 10:06 PM • top

the conversation to day reflected a passionate commitment to both TEC and the global Anglican Communion.

it’s called wanting to have cake AND eat it, and you cannot get away with that anymore.

that you cannot see this, and continue to try to HYCAEIT, is the reason the AC will schism.

congrats.  You (Bps) collectively rival any demolition crew on these shores.

[50] Posted by Clay From Dallas on 09-20-2007 at 10:09 PM • top

White is white and black is black, except when they are gray, which is always the case.

That’s official Anglicandom.

[51] Posted by Fr. Robert Hart on 09-22-2007 at 02:26 PM • top

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