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Christ Church, Plano: One Year Later

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 • 1:47 pm

Leaving was closing the door on all of that... It took me almost nine months to recover from the process, but once I was outside I began to remember why I was in the ministry to begin with. It was not to fight with family members... but to reach a world desperate for the Good News of Jesus Christ. I started to gain the strength of the early days of my faith for a new era in my life. I started to dream again.
In September of 2006 Christ Church, Plano, finalized a negotiated settlement for its withdrawal from the Episcopal Church (USA) and the Diocese of Dallas. It has been quite a year for me... for the parish of Christ Church. I'd like to offer a few thoughts on the kind of year it has been. I will mention the good, the bad, the ugly, and finally, the hopeful. I don't do this for any other reason than to assist my friends and colleagues, known and unknown to me, in various places and situations. Perhaps my reflections and comments might be helpful or encouraging... if not, please ignore this.

First, let me offer ‘the good.'

In some ways, leaving TEC was like closing the door on a bad party that started as a family reunion and ended in a fight. The door closes, you walk away, and you leave it behind... and the noise subsides. The silence is uncomfortable for a little bit... but pretty soon you think to yourself, "Hey, no one is shouting any more!" It feels different... and it feels good.

The debate and the rancor in TEC had created a high pitch noise behind every single aspect of the ministry at Christ Church. New members always asked where I stood on "the issues." The coffee hour had become a chat-fest about the latest comment, blog entry, election, or opinion of some bishop or clergy leader. I had postponed a needed building project because of the Episcopal crisis. I could not raise any funds for our future. Our vestry was very concerned about the impact on attendance and giving. And the whole purpose of our ministry - to make disciples of Jesus Christ and to teach them to obey the commands of Christ - was getting lost in the noise of a fractured and contentious church. Visitors to our church on Sunday slowed to a trickle. Our mission was being sidelined.

Leaving was closing the door on all of that... It took me almost nine months to recover from the process, but once I was outside I began to remember why I was in the ministry to begin with. It was not to fight with family members... but to reach a world desperate for the Good News of Jesus Christ. I started to gain the strength of the early days of my faith for a new era in my life. I started to dream again.

I can sense a renewed heart for the lost and the unconverted returning to me. I just finished a preaching series on Jonah entitled: God's Heart for the Lost. I can feel a returning desire to share my faith, bring others to know Christ, and counsel and encourage brothers and sisters in their faith. Many people have noticed this in my demeanor and preaching, my energy and my conversations. It is, in my opinion, a returning zeal for the Lord and energy for mission.

Oddly enough, the personal financial cost this has been a good thing too. Make no mistake, the financial cost for clergy is high... for some close to retirement, it could be very high. Episcopal priests are members of the Cadillac of all pension funds. If you pay into it for 30 years, you are blessed. If you leave before, you are frozen at the point of your departure. I had 24 years in... only six years away from retirement. I'll have some retirement when I turn 60. But only some... not nearly what I had been scheduled to receive.

But this has not been bad for me. Previous to my exit from TEC and its pension fund, I had been thinking about my coming retirement with great expectation. I had envisioned my ministry as extending only six more years. But now I know that I cannot conceivably retire in six years. This has forced me to think about my ministry as lasting the whole of my natural life. I won't retire because I can't!

I count this as a good thing. My horizon has been stretched out. Now I think about the next half of my life and ministry and it could last another 25 years. This has helped me take better care of myself, reengage my study life, relax a bit more, and learn new things. For the first time in my life, I am taking vitamins! If I had held onto my pension parachute, I'd be floating down now... instead, I feel that I am starting to soar.

Also, I have had a number of conversations with younger men and women about the ordained ministry in the Anglican scene in North America. I am refreshed by their zeal. They really don't care that much about who is ‘in' and who is ‘out' and what the next deadline is. I meet them up at Trinity School for Ministry, where I am the Chairman of the Board. I met a few of them at Nashotah House on a recent visit there. I hear from several via email or phone calls who are students in other seminaries. I can't put my finger quite on it yet, but it seems that God may be raising up new leaders for a new Anglicanism in our culture. I pray it is so: eager, passionate, young, and faithful leaders for a new day.

But there have been some hard things to deal with too. I want to be honest and frank about these as well.

Christ Church (and its clergy) are no longer are part of a recognized brand of church. This is difficult. The brand of the Episcopal Church was an easy handle to use to describe our congregation for the past 21 years. I could say to someone I'd meet, "I'm the rector of an Episcopal Church... " and though they might not know much, chances are they would nod in familiarity. They had heard of it before. They might raise an eyebrow or give a nod... but they knew that it was one of the ‘mainlines.' We had brand-recognition.

But now we have little brand recognition. We are linked within the Anglican Communion as a congregation within the AMiA. But we don't have a recognized label anymore. We might be seen by some as random church on a random corner in town. What do I put on the sign?

Again, this is not all bad. It is forcing us to get real about our presence in the community and making a name for ourselves among the people... rather than relying on denominational identity to do it for us. We have new efforts underway at Christ Church to serve the community... for the love of God in Christ... and to help identify our church as a place of compassion and joy.

Another difficult thing about leaving has been trying to stay off the blogs and the Internet. Obviously, since I am posting this on Stand Firm, I have been unsuccessful in freeing myself from the regular doses of drama about the Episcopal Church. I see TEC in my rear view mirror, so to speak, but sometimes I can't stop looking. It is like watching the television series "Lost." It is surreal. After an hour you realize that you have been sucked into an intricate and interconnected drama where everyone has past connections to everyone and everything else. Is the story winding down or just getting started? You don't know... Stay tuned.

As a congregation, Christ Church has not had this problem. They have been terrific about reengaging the mission of our church and getting on with it. We left in September of 2006 and launched a major capital campaign in October. We raised over 9 million dollars in pledges to build a new building, recondition our children's ministry building, expand our fellowship space, and give $500,000 to our mission efforts. They have moved on, praise God!

It has been most hard though in a very personal way. This past year I have felt that I've been recovering from a long winter of discontent and abuse. I am an evangelical Anglican... a respected position in most quarters of the world, but trashed in the American church. And yet I loved the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church was the cradle of my faith in Jesus Christ. But two things changed, I guess. I certainly changed my level of commitment. I came to a bold confidence in Scripture and our historic faith after some very challenging years and a personal conversion to Christ. But the Episcopal Church changed too. We changed in opposite directions. Some on the progressive side would say that it ‘grew up' beyond its closed-in self. I would say it became feral... wild at its heart.

But I have to quickly add that being out of the old system if very energizing. There is plenty of work... the field is ripe with harvest. And for the first time, we have an open door to do what God has called us to do.

I have concerns about the proliferation of jurisdictions in North America. I am not alone at all in this. Not a single member of the clergy in CANA or AMiA or Kenya or Uganda or the Southern Cone wants real boundaries between us. We understand Episcopal oversight and the need for clear lines of accountability. But we want to be connected, coordinated, and able to move across these boundaries when called or needed. We want to be, as the mission of the Network says it: united. I fully expect this to take shape over the next few years... in real and tangible ways.

Statistically, our attendance fell off about 7-10%, but only a few of our leaders left. Generally, the people who left were those on the outer ring of involvement. The staff has been welcomed into the AMiA with great and open arms. We are happy there... and challenged with their vision of mission. Our giving rebounded at the end of last year and we had a set a record for total receipts. This year our attendance is nearly back to where we were when we left. The last new member class was full. We've added another service on Sunday morning. We have seen increases in nearly all bible study groups, outreach ministries, and other adult ministries.

That's the good and that's the bad... and some of it is ugly. But now, here is the hopeful part. Since being ‘out' of the Episcopal Church I have realized that there are many others who I didn't know that have a deep passion for mission too. I have Anglican colleagues in Christ I didn't know before. I have met many men and women in the much-maligned AMiA who genuinely love the Lord and at great personal cost, have vowed to serve him as their highest honor. Most have not had the blessing of what I have experienced. We kept our buildings... I didn't miss a pew or a paycheck. But these men and women stepped out in faith. They left everything. They started over... from scratch... again. They stepped out in faith because they had a strong faith in Jesus Christ. They could not be a part of an institution that didn't claim Jesus as Lord... so they stood apart from it. And they are working now in the mission field. When Rowan doesn't invite their bishop to Lambeth, they don't shutter or fawn, they labor on. Of course they care... we all care about the Anglican Communion... but they care more about mission.

So a year later, I am sanguine. I love that word... I really didn't learn its meaning until later in life. The word sounds sad and mournful... but in reality, it is cheerful and optimistic. That has been my journey over the year. It may sound sad to some... but at the core of my heart and soul, I am more hopeful and eager for God's future for me and my family than I can ever remember being.
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Rev. Roseberry, thanks for sharing about your journey, which resembles my own in so many ways.  When you step out in faith; get out of the boat; leave the comfort zone, suddenly you have that power by the Holy Spirit to do things you never dreamed were possible.  You mentioned your pension; the blogs often talk about how the AC needs TEC because of its money.  So sad, because so many are unwilling to get out of the boat and walk on the water, unwilling to trust Jesus.  Follow the Lord; He will provide all the things you need to do the work He has called you to do.

[1] Posted by William#2 on 09-26-2007 at 01:09 PM • top

God bless you David.  I may have a similar but less important blog after the 30th.

[2] Posted by Lee Parker on 09-26-2007 at 01:16 PM • top

A great and encouraging essay.  Thank you.

[3] Posted by Africanised Anglican on 09-26-2007 at 01:27 PM • top

Father Roseberry was of great assistance to us, a close neighbor in the Dallas area, as we walked the path of departure from TEC. I offer sincere thanks for his counsel through the summer and fall of 2006.

We left in March 2007. I watch in that same ‘rear view mirror’ now only to keep an eye on the actions of TEC, as what they do today will affect the greater Anglican Communion, we members of CANA, AMiA and other domestic mission efforts.

May God bless all who are on this journey.

[4] Posted by Fisherman on 09-26-2007 at 01:30 PM • top

Fr. David, once again, may God bless you and your church.

[5] Posted by Newbie Anglican on 09-26-2007 at 01:31 PM • top

Fr. David, thank you for your inspirational message, and thank you for staying enough engaged with the TEC process to come back to StandFirm and post this.  Your message that there is indeed life beyond TEC is empowering to many who have had heavy reluctance to sever the old ties.  In the post 9/30 world I anticipate many will take heart from your experience.  Again, Thank you and bless you for your faithful service and witness.

[6] Posted by Horseman on 09-26-2007 at 01:42 PM • top

Fr. David, I again want to be among the many who are thanking you for your faithfulness. That you took time to be of encouragement here is wonderful. Your journey of the past year is helpful to know about.
I can’t tell you what a blessing it has been to us Michiganders to worship several times a year at Christ Church Plano (since 1986 when your church was meeting in an auditorium).
Your assistant was the celebrant at our daughter’s wedding and you officiated at the funeral for our first grandson who was stillborn. Your ministry to us in pastoral situations has been incredible and your worship services full of the light and life of our Saviour. No wonder your congregation and facilities continue to grow by leaps and bounds.
Your essays last winter on Considering CANA and Considering AMiA were most helpful to me and no doubt many others here at Stand Firm. My husband and I are probably going to be looking soon for a new church home. There is nothing near us that would be a true Anglican church not tied to apostate TEC, but an AMiA priest from a northern WMI town about 3 hours away discussed with me recently about potentially participating in an AMiA church plant in closer proximity to us. Sounds really good at this point.
I do pray that all of the Common Cause entities can work together effectively so as to make an alternative Anglican Province in the US viable without the fracturing that has been demonstrated in the past. Seems to me that God is blessing this endeavor right now in Pittsburg.

[7] Posted by merlenacushing on 09-26-2007 at 02:21 PM • top

Well zippity-doo-dah for you and people of CC. You left, and good for you. Many churches would do the same thing if they had the insanely deep pockets you have, but they don’t. So instead of coming on here and retelling your story (yet again), and reminding so many folks how blessed you are and how unfortunate we are, why don’t you just worry about your own congregation and leave us to battle the fight that you are no longer a part of.

Matt, shame on you for posting this less then 24 hours removed from the final nail in the coffin!

[8] Posted by hookem1175 on 09-26-2007 at 02:26 PM • top

hookem1175,

Exactly what fight are you talking about in light of your reference to the “last nail in the coffin?”. Father Roseberry’s article is particularly relevant in the hours after New Orleans, because it provides hope, and a possible exit strategy.  He is also one of the most precise, and honest, leaders in terms of talking about numbers.  We would all do well to listen to him.

It sounds like you are in a smaller parish without the resources (or perhaps the leadership) to leave.  Perhaps you are clinging to some things that God wants you to give up? Many of us have had to leave our buildings, parishes, relationships because we felt we could not longer remain. Some of us are in rented space, without nice organs, etc.  While we rejoice in CC success and resources, we are not envious.  God is Good.

[9] Posted by Going Home on 09-26-2007 at 02:40 PM • top

Hookem, I think we can all share the sense of frustration you are feeling but will have to politely take issue. Everyone’s exit strategy, timeline and final destination may vary. What I see here is the joy that the power of the Holy Spirit has again filled a life with joy. Please understand I am in no way minimizing your plight. Perhaps as the exodus gains momentum smaller parishes such as yours will escape almost undetected as the larger parishes and 815 have their battle royale. There will be a finite amount of resources available to 815 for the fight, they will get to the point that targets will have to be prioritized. Many departing parishes that have attorney parishoners will benefit from their pro bono efforts. Tie up the enemy and allow the small units to escape so to speak.My prayers are with you, we all struggle together in the name of the Lord.

[10] Posted by birminghamer on 09-26-2007 at 02:49 PM • top

The fight is just beginning friend. Now that “we” have stated in no uncertain terms that we are a secular, congregational, and heretic church, each will have to decide what to do next. Most do not have the resources, or cooperative bishop for that matter, to just walk away, even into a strip mall as you suggest.

It is unnecessary to reminded of the success of one particular church over and over again who chose to walk away (bless them for being able to do so) when that will not happen for most. this is not about envy, nor is it about being given an example of possible exit strategy. I do not want to hear anymore form people who gave up their seat at the table.

[11] Posted by hookem1175 on 09-26-2007 at 02:54 PM • top

“I started to dream again. “

It’s that beautiful! The irony in the Kingdom is those “much-maligned” may have even bigger dreams and challenge you to envision.

[12] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 09-26-2007 at 02:54 PM • top

And may I offer my apologies for my sharp-sounding tone. It is not a reflection of my thought process. However I have no intention of sugar-coating comments.

[13] Posted by hookem1175 on 09-26-2007 at 02:57 PM • top

I don’t think you should sugar-coat your comments, hook-em, but why can’t you rejoice that CC-P is rebounding well post-pecusa?

[14] Posted by TonyinCNY on 09-26-2007 at 03:07 PM • top

“I do not want to hear anymore form people who gave up their seat at the table.”

Then don’t read the thread, that bit is your choice.

FYI - most AMiA parish I know have been those “much-maligned” who didn’t have deep pocket and their stand cost them greatly. Being the red-head stepchild didn’t have many orthodox to support you, in fact it looked more like when Dr. Radner+ or Dr. Seitz+ appear on SF to advocate ACI position today. Now many of those same folks are sitting as leader in Pittsburgh this very day, oh yeah Christ’s command to forgive and bless those who persecute you. So store front parishes grew from the faithful who did as called to do.

I’m sorry for your pain of watching the HoB meeting. However that should not distract from Christ Church Plano’s anniversary. If a grandfather dies on the day a child is born, they do not negate the pain of one or the joy of another but each should be remembered for what it is else it can be unhealthy.

I don’t know what the Lord is calling you to, but I’d suggest walking away, cooling down and praying. Then that is only advise for one again you have the choice.

[15] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 09-26-2007 at 03:11 PM • top

Good Fr. Roseberry,
I rejoice in your journey and offer thanksgiving for your witness! You have been blessed with resources and you use them to the glory of God. I foresee Christ Church being not only a witness to Christ’s love but also a faithful helper as we go on the next part of our journey coming out of Common Cause.

There is one thing that jarred me a bit in your piece, however.

“I am an evangelical Anglican… a respected position in most quarters of the world, but trashed in the American church.”

In the Diocese of Albany I, an extremely conservative Anglo-Catholic, am the one that feels like a “fish out of water”. I’ll tell you what, don’t yell at me for praying the Angelus and I won’t pick on you for simpy music, OK? smile

LOL,
AP+

[16] Posted by Anglican Paplist on 09-26-2007 at 03:16 PM • top

“when that will not happen for most,” Hookem, you are right. It won’t happen for most; it will happen for ALL.  If you follow the Lord Jesus Christ, everything you need to do the work He has called you to do with be provided.

[17] Posted by William#2 on 09-26-2007 at 03:17 PM • top

If you follow the Lord Jesus Christ, everything you need to do the work He has called you to do with be provided.

Amen!

Our AMiA church plant is nearing its second year and the miracles amaze - God is faithful!  Most of our members are not ex-ecusa.  As for AP - I too am no fan of simpy music - although parts of the Angelus are a little spiky - it is beautiful:

Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the Incarnation of Christ Thy Son was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection. Through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.

[18] Posted by tired on 09-26-2007 at 04:12 PM • top

Thank you for your witness and candor, hookem1175.  Many of us are in similar places.

[19] Posted by Dick Mitchell on 09-26-2007 at 04:19 PM • top

Hookem (and perhaps Dick M as well), although I left TEC and the Anglican Communion completely, I also read Fr David’s post as a message of hope for Anglicans.

At my time of crisis, there was no AMiA or CANA in Texas, and the nearest Network Church was 40 miles away. As I looked at TEC, I couldn’t honestly say that things ever would get better, so I asked the pastor of a nearby Catholic Church for refuge. It was very hard for me to walk away… I had been Episcopalian for 51 years, and left behind my burial spot and the burial spots of many relatives and friends, plus my own spiritual history and a great many people I loved. But I too found the peace Fr David mentioned, and a renewal of spiritual energy and commitment. I’m more involved in my new Parish than I ever was in TEC. God has used me in many ways I wouldn’t have expected, and it’s been good. Now I look back at the sinking TEC and mourn, but I’m safe in my lifeboat with my “German Shepherd” so the fear is gone. I’m released.

Perhaps your Parish isn’t able to leave TEC, but nothing stops you from leaving yourself; at least, nothing vital or essential. It’s painful but nothing good ever comes without some pain. If you’re really as frustrated as you sound, then leave. If it was a momentary outburst, then gird up your loins and take up your part of the fight. But don’t just yell in frustration at someone who is trying to offer encouragement and help.

The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you, whatever you choose, and be gracious unto you; the Lord lift up his countenance over you and give you his peace, now and always. The Lord lift you into his closer presence so you might be still and know that he is God. +

In faith, Dave

[20] Posted by dpeirce on 09-26-2007 at 06:57 PM • top

Hookem…like I wrote in the opening paragraph, if the essay is not helpful, ignore it.  If it is to some, I am grateful.

[21] Posted by DHR on 09-26-2007 at 08:02 PM • top

It was helpful, and I wish Stand Firm would devote a string to the progress (or struggles) of GS/AMIA parishes. There have been some remarkable stories, but in all of the attention to the TEC proceedings they haven’t got a mention here or in other sites.

[22] Posted by Going Home on 09-26-2007 at 08:09 PM • top

hookem, back off. I didn’t post this. I just got off the plane in NY two hours ago. David Roseberry posted this…and it is a fine and helpful piece of work. I am proud to have it on SF.

[23] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 09-26-2007 at 08:15 PM • top

Fr. David, there was so much here that gives hope.  Thank you.  Most especially, though, I found encouragement in your yearning for Anglican unity, and your confidence that somehow all of us now evacuating in these “Little Ships of Dunkirk” will somehow meet safely on the other side and join forces.  This is indeed the most difficult of the tasks facing the Common Cause bishops, but undoubtedly the most critical.  We must be able to give a unified witness, and it will have to be more than a network, more than a coalition, and more than a council: it will have to be a church.

[24] Posted by VaAnglican on 09-26-2007 at 08:30 PM • top

DFR, may God continue to bless you and your parish.  May your people continue to be an example to those on the edge, and a reminder that after the first step is taken, there is still the firm ground of true belief in the scripture to have a bridge to be able to walk across the canyon of uncertaintity.  CC is an exmple of the work of the Holy Spirits support of what is good in belief and action.

[25] Posted by Brother LeRoy on 09-26-2007 at 09:08 PM • top

I am thankful to have heard from so many of you…even if only by your SF aliases…  I appreciate your kindness and support.

In Christ,

David Roseberry

[26] Posted by DHR on 09-26-2007 at 09:44 PM • top

I think many will find Fr. David’s review of the past year helpful as they plan their various exit strategies.  What are the costs?  What have we overlooked?  What will it be like on the “other side” (out of TEC)?  Each parish or diocese’s experience will vary but here is an example that gives us hope and encouragement. 

Thank you, David+ for sharing this with us.  Your account is a blessing to me, and, after this past week, we who are still in TEC need something to encourage us to dare to dream again!

[27] Posted by Jill C. on 09-26-2007 at 11:11 PM • top

Rev. Roseberry,
I have loved reading all about Christ Church’s journey and decision-making process. I appreciate your candor and insight.

I live a couple of hours down I-20 (West) from you but in a VERY different diocese (Northwest Texas). How does one go about establishing an AMiA plant? I’m a stay-home Anglican right now but have considered putting an ad in the local newspaper to find out if other conservative folk might be interested in starting a new mission. Would that be a bad idea? I’d really love some advice, if you don’t mind!

Blessings,
Julia

[28] Posted by teatime on 09-26-2007 at 11:11 PM • top

Julia/Teatime, SF is invited to give you my email and we can talk off thread. I am willing to share my experience with you which is different from David+‘s in that I was the primary lay leader of a group of two dozen that started out with no money (zero money hookum not one red penny) no building, no priest to lead us, and now we have a full time Rector, part time staff, 10 acres of land we raised 250,000 to purchase without a mortgage and an asa bigger than half the churches in tec.

The things that are impossible with men are possible with God. You guys need to get on your knees and ask the Lord what would He have you do?  If He wants you to start an Anglican church or just find another church to join He will make that clear.

The envy, resentment, jealousy, and anger directed towards David+ here is proof of spiritual blindness. God enabled David+ and his team to build Christ Church into what it is today because they were honoring His will.  Please remember that the Lord will not bless a work in which the people are not engaged.

Hookum my brother I beg you to let go of this.  I know you are hurting as I did also in leaving so many dear friends behind but Jesus loves you as much as He loves David Roseberry+ and He has a plan for you.

[29] Posted by William#2 on 09-27-2007 at 05:27 AM • top

Teatime & William#2—SF has an internal messaging system! (joy)

Top of page is “Your Account” then when the blue and white screen appears goto “Private Messages [+]” on the left sidebar menu click the “+” to expand, “Compose New Message” poof a email screen - I always click the magnifying glass to search for member’s name. Pretty neato torpedo set up Greg got here.

[30] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 09-27-2007 at 05:38 AM • top

William#2:  What a story!!!  Praise God for His faithfulness and the commitment of your people.  Don’t be quiet about it…tell us, where is this great church?  What is the story?

[31] Posted by DHR on 09-27-2007 at 06:00 AM • top

+Dave, thank you for the fine article.  Your sacrifices testify to the Sacrifice that has become so much a part of our identity as Christian brothers and sisters.  If I had my druthers, I’d be serving at your parish, or even in an AMiA parish, but it seems for now that I’ve been called to serve Christ within TEC

A yard from hell and within the sound of the church bell, as it were.  wink

William #2 - I would also like to hear the story of your parish.  Perhaps you could write it down, and ask one of our moderators to publish it on SF?

[32] Posted by Moot on 09-27-2007 at 10:08 AM • top

I will follow William#2’s offer to share the experience with anyone who is interested in learning what the process is like. We walked away from the bricks, mortar and money, and started anew. We are currently renting space but have acquired acreage on which to eventually build.

The process is somewhat awkward but we shared information amongst several local parishes, some walked while some made it out with their property, and this established a list of things to do to get started as well as sharing resources.

We aligned with CANA for episcopal coverage which we know to be a temporary arrangement. Now after 7 months on our own, we are growing (some Episcopal refugees and others that were just seeking a good spiritual home), and the Lord has provided generously. In fact, we’ve had to double the size of our temporary home in order to accommodate the growth.

Just use the private message facility if you wish.

[33] Posted by Fisherman on 09-27-2007 at 11:41 AM • top

Father David Roseberry is a humble, visionary servant of the Gospel of Christ.  I have known him now for over 10 years, and I consider him a “father in Christ”.  What he shares is true, and very helpful to all of us who are living in these “interesting times”. 

Thank you, Fr. David, for all you do and for contributing this thoughtful essay.  I am thankful that the Lord continues to use you mightily, and I am glad to participate in the AMiA and the Common Cause movement of which you are such an important part.  To God be the glory!

Father Bob Hackendorf
St. Andrew’s Church
Syracuse NY

[34] Posted by Father Bob Hackendorf on 09-27-2007 at 12:06 PM • top

A couple of years ago I was talking with a neighboring evangelical Protestant pastor and he told me about a church planting workshop another congregation of his denomination would be holding in a month or two.  He sent me the info about it—which included a list of 15 gifts a planting pastor needs to have.  I looked it over, and I saw that I have two of those gifts (maybe four if you stretch things a bit…)

In human terms, I do not have what it takes to plant a church.  For a variety of reasons stemming from my local situation, I cannot leave my current parish for another year.  I am disgusted enough with TEC to leave right now.  But I will continue on here, and pray like mad for discernment.  Maybe God will lead me to form a new congregation, in spite of my limitations as a church planter; maybe he has some other plan.

But I cannot imagine remaining within TEC for much longer. When I am in clergy gatherings, I feel as though I am in the midst of people who speak French, which I have studied but am by no means fluent in—there is a completely different mind-set and orientation.  The Jesus they talk about seems to little in common with the Jesus I know.  The spiritual cost of attending a clergy gathering far exceeds any benefit I get from seeing people whom I enjoy as friends.  Some are also orthodox believers, but even with them as part of the mix, it is an overall negative experience.

Needless to say, I am praying mightily for the Common Cause gathering in Pittsburgh!

I am thankful for all that David Roseberry has done; may the Lord astonish the world with what he does with those Anglicans who are loyal to his Son and his Word.

[35] Posted by AnglicanXn on 09-27-2007 at 12:06 PM • top

Father Roseberry, Moot, and Fisherman, thanks for the kind words and encouragement.  I am just a visitor here at someone else’s online home and will have to respectfully decline to say more in fear of taking this off thread, or stirring up the “staying versus leaving” discussion which almost always makes people upset and defensive.  If a thread is started about church planting in wake of TEC’s recent decisionmaking I will be honored to share our story at that time.
Blessings always,
William (My actual name BTW)

[36] Posted by William#2 on 09-27-2007 at 12:13 PM • top

Thank you, William! I received your message and will reply soon. (I have to organize the questions I have!)

And thank you, as well, Fisherman! I’m interested in your church’s story, as well! The first, pressing question I have is if a lay person starts the process, can/would the local TEC bishop take legal action against you?

[37] Posted by teatime on 09-27-2007 at 12:47 PM • top

teatime - check your private messages.

Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.

[38] Posted by Fisherman on 09-27-2007 at 01:35 PM • top

Thank you Fr. David.    I would love to hear from Fr. Ron McCrary, Christ Church Anglican, Overland Park, Ks.  What ever one decides to do, especially those who are in waste lands, probably the most important decision to make is to try not to be bitter.  And I am going to have to remind myself of this fact every day from this day forward….again, thanks Fr. David…..

[39] Posted by Dee in Iowa on 09-27-2007 at 02:35 PM • top

Fr. David,

It was a joy and a priviledge to serve with you at Christ Church at Bishop Jecko’s funeral.  Thank you for the courtesy.  While we miss your voice and witness at Diocesan Convention, we, too, are moving forward.  May God bless you and the ministry of CCP.  May He make us one body in fact as we are in spirit and may He not wait too long.

I believe that we are on the brink of a reformation in the Church and that we are seeing the beginnings of that reformation in Africa and the Global South today.  I wait and watch and pray and fast that the reformation will come to North American soon.

YBIC,
Phil Snyder

[40] Posted by Philip Snyder on 09-27-2007 at 02:36 PM • top

What a great post.  My husband and I have been considering where to go to church from mid-November until the baby’s born in January (We live in North Dallas almost in Plano and our home parish is in Arlington, we don’t want to be so far away from the hospital every week while I’m uber-preggers), and no offense to ++Stanton but I don’t find many of the TEC churches around here much to my liking.  We have been trying to decide between CC-P and the REC parish a couple of blocks from our apartment.

[41] Posted by Courageous Grace on 09-27-2007 at 07:03 PM • top

A final comment:

The AMiA has its Winter Conference in Dallas in January (23-26).  Go to http://www.theamia.org/ for more information…

<i>ALL ARE WELCOME!!!<i>

It is a great time of fellowship and inspiring hope for the future.

And for those ‘would-be’ church planters out there.  We are planning a pre-conference church planters mini-bootcamp the day before.  Be alert to the website…more will be posted soon.

In Christ,

David Roseberry

[42] Posted by DHR on 09-27-2007 at 07:30 PM • top

Dear Readers,
I have served in the evangelical and charismatic renewal wing of the Episcopal Church for more than 35 years and have been privileged to teach or work with many of its leaders. David Roseberry is one shining example of the kind of leader raised up during this period. Others are gathered in Pittsburgh. Others are busy planting new churches and building up congregations. David’s evaluation is fair-minded, and no doubt the down-side for those who could not keep their property is even greater.
But I am convinced that the best leadership in North American Anglicanism has decided, to use David’s metaphor, that with The Episcopal Church it’s all over but the shouting. And I believe that, by God’s grace, these leaders will forge a new coalition that will work together and fulfill Christ’s Great Commission to preach the Gospel and save the lost. And in that endeavor they will have the wholehearted support of millions of Anglicans around the world.

[43] Posted by Stephen Noll on 09-27-2007 at 07:35 PM • top

Dear Stephen Noll,
I don’t know whether you are “father”, Dr. or whatever, but this I have to say: 

FROM Your mouth and heart, to God’s ears.

Grannie Gloria

[44] Posted by Grandmother on 09-27-2007 at 07:51 PM • top

Fr David Roseberry,
This is a realistic and encouraging description of your experience post-ecusa. It is a helpful dose of reality to know that it took you “nine months to recover”.  The family reunion that went bad plagues our hearts and thoughts and we can sometimes lose hold of the sense that Jesus is Lord. It is helpful to realize finally what it is that has been weighing us down. Many of us are waiting for our time to separate from ecusa and it is encouraging to know that, in time, we can regain that lightness and freedom in Christ that is our inheritance.
Jarhead+ Plano

[45] Posted by Jarhead+ Plano on 09-27-2007 at 08:44 PM • top

To Fr. Roseberry:
This wonderful posting follows onto your 5 postings several months ago on SF which came about the same time that we were making that crucial and difficult decision to leave TEC. Thank you, once again, for sharing your thoughts…....indeed, parallel to what so many of us have experienced.  God bless you and the labor you are performing for our Lord.


To Hookem:
Yes, you have been chastised but you have also heard many words of love and wonderful advice for you in this thread.  My feelings are one of great sorry for what you are experiencing; many of us have worked through similar emotions through prayer and submission to Jesus Christ our Lord and come out on the other side with joy and thanksgiving. May you reach a peaceful place in this journey that all of the faithful must eventually take.

[46] Posted by Petra on 09-28-2007 at 07:01 AM • top

I loved it!  Thank you!  Oh how I can relate on so many points.  But the one that struck me was the comment about having no retirement soon.  As a financial advisor, I have a real issue with today’s attitudes toward so called “retirement”, i.e. ceasing to be productive once a certain age is reached or so much money is gathered.  I feel that not doing what we are called to do, especially at a time in our lives when we have so much to offer, is a serious stewardship/sin issue.  My Dad is 78 and he will be flying his fourth homebuilt airplane next Spring. David, I pray that you will be enabled to serve for many, many years to come.  God bless all of you!  Yaaaahoooo!!!

[47] Posted by mdwarner on 09-28-2007 at 01:19 PM • top

You don’t need deep pockets to walk away.  Any parish can walk away - it is just more costly for some than for others.

[48] Posted by Kate S on 10-04-2007 at 01:39 PM • top

I read these comments over and over again and I struggle. 

While I won’t say that I agree with hookem1175 100%, I feel that same pain and frustration so poignantly expressed in that comment. 

Like being in a dysfunctional family, it is nice to know that a member has managed to get up and move on beyond but, for the family members left, the struggle continues.

Having that same member return and describe the struggles, triumphs and benefits of getting healthy, is very upsetting.  Why shouldn’t it be?  We who have chosen to stay in TEC and the Diocese of Dallas have a convention in only a few short weeks. 

That convention is where we will sorely miss many parishes that were here only a year ago. We will be reminded of our negative growth, our shortfall of funds and yet that the battle isn’t over yet and there is much to do. Frankly we could us a shot in the arm to boost morale.

I don’t like to use the Alamo analogy but, somehow, it seems fitting in this instance.  Like the defenders of that battle, people like myself have chosen not to cross the line in the sand and instead we stay and hold until relieved.  We don’t need to be reminded of the consequences of not choosing the “other” path.

“We have one hundred and forty six men, who are determined never to retreat. We have but little provisions, but enough to serve us till you and your men arrive. We deem it unnecessary to repeat to a brave officer, who knows his duty, that we call on him for assistance.”

From W.B. Travis and James Bowie (Alamo) To James W. Fannin (at Goliad)

Stand Firm?  Exactly.

Perhaps the Anglican Communion will arrive in time.

[49] Posted by wooly on 10-11-2007 at 01:49 PM • top

Wooly:  [*Hugs*]
Thank you for your comment, I think you describe the situation accurately by the dysfunctional family with one member able to move on but others still in the dysfunction.  I happen to be in the same camp as Christ Church, but earnestly I join you in prayer that Lord makes a way for all the faithful through this mess (written with no agenda of how the Lord might move but hopeful He will some way).

[50] Posted by Hosea6:6 on 10-11-2007 at 02:01 PM • top

Wooly,
I do appreciate your thoughts…candor…and I thank you for them.  As I mentioned in the article, if the ideas and sentiment of the post was not helpful…ignore it.

But yesterday the Dallas News had an insert on ‘coming out’...and featured none other than VGR as the bishop of all who come out.  The title:  “Be Who You Are” is the banner headline…that this is patently unChristian.  We are not called to be who were are (II Cor 5, Col 3)...we are called to die to who we are and become whom Christ calls us to be.  VGR and TEC are promoting a false Gospel…

The Alamo is a huge image to try to fit onto this issue.  I don’t accept it.  It is not a matter of loyalty or sacrifice or camaraderie…  I am deeply loyal to the gospel…I have made sacrifices…etc.

[51] Posted by DHR on 10-13-2007 at 06:00 AM • top

Wooly, I don’t understand why you describe Roseberry’s essay on Stand Firm as a return.  CC-P has not returned; DHR has written an essay on SFIFSFIF is a forum for pecusa, AMIA, CANA, other Anglicans and non-Anglicans.  It’s not like CC-P is showing up at your diocesan convention and flaunting their success.  If this essay is upsetting to you, maybe the most important thing for you is to examine why it is so upsetting.  If CC-P’s success reminds you of DoD failures, maybe that is a cause to do something about the root causes. whatever that might mean for you.

A CANA priest

“Having that same member return and describe the struggles, triumphs and benefits of getting healthy, is very upsetting.  Why shouldn’t it be?  We who have chosen to stay in TEC and the Diocese of Dallas have a convention in only a few short weeks.”

[52] Posted by TonyinCNY on 10-13-2007 at 06:07 AM • top

Wooly,

SF is not here exclusively to support those orthodox within TEC. We also seek to support those who are leaving and who have left. That means that you will see stories, like this fine one, about successful departures and, conversely, you will see stories about successful strategies for remaining inside. The best bet is to learn to rejoice when others rejoice and to weep when they weep.

[53] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 10-13-2007 at 06:39 AM • top

Thanks to all for the comments.  Perhaps what is missing in the Essay, “Diocese of Dallas, one year later”.

[54] Posted by wooly on 10-15-2007 at 10:19 AM • top

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