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All Saints Won’t Host DioFW Convention; Cites ‘Negative Publicity’ and Security Concerns

Tuesday, October 2, 2007 • 6:01 pm

Via email:

Dear Clergy and Convention Delegates:

We regret to announce that All Saints’ Episcopal School has withdrawn its offer to host this year’s Diocesan Convention. Headmaster Tad Bird notified Bishop Iker on Wednesday, September 26th, of the school board’s decision, citing concerns about security and negative publicity for the School in the face of possible pro-gay rights demonstrators at the Convention.

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I guess it is time for everyone to show their true colors.  I guess the schools are going to get hard whichever way the winds blow in areas that are orthodox or closely divided.

[1] Posted by chips on 10-02-2007 at 06:23 PM • top

Isn’t it sad that the activists are so threatening that a Church School has t ocow down to their threats? Don’t get me wrong…I understand the reason but I just hate the fact that we are being ruled by fear of these no conscience, low level, no moral erhics type of people. To threaten a school…........Just how low can they really go?

[2] Posted by TLDillon on 10-02-2007 at 06:34 PM • top

Tad Bird?

[3] Posted by DietofWorms on 10-02-2007 at 06:48 PM • top

Frances, you are so very right….let’s leave the kids out of this…...the young ones wouldn’t understand and would only be scared.  The older ones would not fully understand the demenstrations and the causes behind it (from either side.)  I don’t think this is a big deal at all, and I’m sure Bishop Iker and the Standing Committee are not overly concerned and/or upset…In fact I’ll bet the concured….

[4] Posted by Dee in Iowa on 10-02-2007 at 06:59 PM • top

demonstrations…boy I am missing it tonite…..

[5] Posted by Dee in Iowa on 10-02-2007 at 07:01 PM • top

I haven’t heard of anyone “threatening” to demonstrate.  I think this is a case of the big, bad, non-existent homo.

[6] Posted by Linda McMillan on 10-02-2007 at 08:18 PM • top

Having been a convention delegate in FtW for several years, I can vouch that the Via Media folks demonstrated quite well the last time the convention was held at All Saint’s School.  The school is surrounded by a fence and the demonstrators were not allowed on school property.  Nevertheless, they made quite a spectacle of themselves with their banners as convention goers “ran their guanlet.”  I would be most surprised if they do not have plans to repeat their witness for the General Convention Church.

[7] Posted by Verger on 10-02-2007 at 08:41 PM • top

I haven’t heard of anyone “threatening” to demonstrate.  I think this is a case of the big, bad, non-existent homo.

Their concern is quite legitimate; ask the leadership of Anglican’s United.  They have been the subject of some very “un-peaceful” demonstrations.

[8] Posted by Edwin on 10-02-2007 at 08:50 PM • top

RE: “Having been a convention delegate in FtW for several years, I can vouch that the Via Media folks demonstrated quite well the last time the convention was held at All Saint’s School.  The school is surrounded by a fence and the demonstrators were not allowed on school property.  Nevertheless, they made quite a spectacle of themselves with their banners as convention goers “ran their guanlet.” I would be most surprised if they do not have plans to repeat their witness for the General Convention Church.”

Oh . . . But Verger . . . maybe Linda McMillan didn’t recall that happening.  ; > )

[9] Posted by Sarah on 10-02-2007 at 09:19 PM • top

It is a shame when a Christian school has to refuse to hold a scheduled Diocesan Convention in order to protect its’ students from demonstrations by the gay rights crowd.  Tell us again about the inclusivity of the GLBT church members—-how fair and non-judgemental they are.  The big bad non-existent homo is apparently very real!  So real that school children have to be protected from him/her/them.  And they wonder why the orthodox want to separate.  If I had a child at All Saints I would have a cow if he had to wade through a sea of gay rights demonstator to go to school.  The school administator’s first responsibility is to protect the children.  It is a shame when it has to be from their own members.  Way to go Katie (and I don’t mean the PB).

[10] Posted by terrafirma on 10-02-2007 at 09:39 PM • top

DietofWorms said:

Tad Bird?


[11] Posted by Rich Gabrielson on 10-02-2007 at 10:49 PM • top

This is very sad indeed to use( as Via Media apparently did in the past) this means of dissent against a school. It is equally sad , because it is not unsurprising. We are dealing mostly with Boomers who discovered a long time ago(the 1960’s and 70’s) that if you yell and scream and stomp your feet long enough the decent folks give in. This issue has never been about Christian theology, but about so-called ” rights”. And I have the RIGHT to get my ” rights” any way I can. And you better move out of the way—-well I ain’t moving.

Blessed be the day when my generation (Boomers) passes on, then maybe the Church will rest in Peace.

[12] Posted by Forever Anglican on 10-02-2007 at 11:10 PM • top

You know, I was wondering last night how many TEC churches have schools attached to them.  I know my former parish, St. Barnabas, does.  And a mighty fine one at that.

How long before the new TEC dictator orders these schools to include “Heather Has Two Mommies” in their curriculum?  Of course it is very possible that the dictator would probably require only “new thing” books with titles like, “God has Blessed Heather with Two Mommies”.

Or maybe she would wait for GenCon. 

Nevertheless, how long before this starts happening?

[13] Posted by why1914 on 10-03-2007 at 07:14 AM • top


A minor correction - the Presiding Dictator. wink

[14] Posted by BillB on 10-03-2007 at 08:11 AM • top

BillB, well “presiding” for now.  Wouldn’t doubt she would hang onto the position by hook or by crook past the term limits (whatever they are (or were wink )). 

But seriously, anybody know how may schools are under the TEC umbrella?

[15] Posted by why1914 on 10-03-2007 at 08:53 AM • top

I see by the diocese’s own web site that the convention had been scheduled for Friday evening and Saturday, when no children would be at the school to begin with. Concerns about exposing kids to protesters sounds like an poor excuse to blame progressives for something they haven’t done yet.

[16] Posted by Kibitzer on 10-03-2007 at 11:52 AM • top

The school itself is very liberal and is probably taking this stand on what they see as a statement against both prejudice and Bishop Iker. I doubt they had any concern for their “children” except to keep them away from the mean old “homophobes”. And yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if “Heather has two Mothers” or whatever is already being taught there. I know that when I was on the Diocesan education committee I was scoffed at for daring to suggest that teaching abstinence at All Saints instead of handing out condoms might be a good move.

[17] Posted by Anglican Paplist on 10-03-2007 at 12:35 PM • top

kbitzer, the Convention was scheduled to begin at 2pm on Friday.  Don’t know what time exactly school gets out at All Saints, but I think it’s a safe guess to say that its after 2.
The change has nothing to do with a pro-gay agenda of the school, or anything like that.  They know that this event will be making local, if not national news, and they don’t want the bad press.  It does’nt look good when your average non-Anglican-Joe is watching the news one night and here are pro-gay protesters, etc. outside of his kid’s class that he’s paying over 10,000 a year for his kid to attend.

[18] Posted by Tony Romo on 10-03-2007 at 02:26 PM • top

The page I saw said 5 p.m. ...  Be that as it may, you have no idea that anyone was even PLANNING to protest. Just sounds like you’d rather hide behind closed doors than deal with criticism. What does THAT teach your young people?

[19] Posted by Kibitzer on 10-03-2007 at 02:59 PM • top

well, kbitzer, if you must press the issue, I would first say that yes we do know that there are some who have said that they intend to protest at this year’s FW convention. 
Secondly, to your rather angry question about what it teaches our young people to “hide behind closed doors” I would simply say that having the FW convention at a massive public venue, such as the Will Rogers Coliseum, which will be, at the very same time, hosting several other public events, is hardly hiding behind closed doors.  Additionally, last year, our Convention was webcast for everyone to see the entire proceedings. Again…not exactly hiding.
As far as what it teaches our young people, I would say that our actions teach them to have some sense of respect for themselves; to live into all that God has called them to be.  When we proclaim the Turth, and move our people towards it, it “sets them free” as one wise man once said.
Hope this helps.  I guess I’ll be getting another angry reply to my comments from you in a few.

[20] Posted by Tony Romo on 10-03-2007 at 03:17 PM • top

Nope, I’m really not angry at all ... honest! Sorry if my post came across that way. But it sounds like you’re plenty steamed about something. Whatever.
My point was, really, why does it bug you that some people might stand outside your venue and hold a few signs? If you don’t want to engage them in any meaningful conversation, then just ignore them. And please, the notion that your kids are going to be scarred for life by walking past a peaceful protest is pretty laughable.
OK, this is getting boring. I’m done. Have a nice life in whatever demonination/alphabet soup/province you folks wind up in.

[21] Posted by Kibitzer on 10-03-2007 at 03:40 PM • top

To the members and readers of Stand Firm,

Fort Worth Via Media is somewhat amused by the paranoia and hyperbole being expressed in your blog regarding the upcoming Fort Worth Diocesan Convention.  It is true that on the Saturday morning of the 2005 Fort Worth Diocesan Convention we had some demonstrators alongside the road and outside the grounds of the All Saints School where the convention was held.  We had five people carrying two signs.  One was a small sign with the Via Media logo and stating that Via Media is an organization of ordained and lay Episcopalians in the Diocese of Fort Worth who are going to stay in The Episcopal Church.  The other was a banner that read “Episcopalian or NOT?”  This can hardly be described as a gauntlet of gay-rights activists.  The people carrying the signs complied with all the requirements for a peaceful demonstration, had notified the police department, and in no way interfered with vehicle or pedestrian traffic into or out of the school.  And, as was mentioned, this occurred on a Saturday when there was no school.  No allegations of misconduct have ever been filed against our group or its actions that day. 

What’s that saying about mountains and mole-hills?


[22] Posted by FWVMPrez on 10-03-2007 at 05:10 PM • top

Why does FWVMPrez directs his/her comments to SF readers?  It was the school that withdrew use of its facilities - shouldn’t you be directing your comments to the school?  No one at SF made the school take that action.

[23] Posted by Cathy_Lou on 10-03-2007 at 06:08 PM • top

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