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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 • 10:32 am

There is a great opportunity before us to both deal a great blow to the edifice of heterodoxy, 815, and to establish a secure and legitimate province, free of wolves. The danger is that our vision is too small; that we might fail to recognize the door God has opened and ask for too little. It seems as though the great struggle from the perspective of the ACI is for Communion integrity. Whereas, in truth, the heart of the struggle is for biblical fidelity. If we struggle for the former first and foremost we may well lose the latter but if we fight first for the latter we may well save the former.
Our New Season of Anglican Maturing
(my comments follow below)

Amongst conservatives in the United States, two different understandings of Communion and how to maintain it appear to be vying for ascendancy in our present season.

One has assumed, and may still assume, that something called ‘orthodoxy’ can be maintained by carving out ecclesial space in a new province. How this may be achieved is conceivably through a variety of means, but one popular avenue is by forging links to primates and other regions in the Communion. The main concern is getting distance from ECUSA and achieving an ‘orthodoxy’ identifiable precisely by its public detachment from this local ecclesial reality.

Another has assumed that the chief concern is with maintaining the highest degree of Communion possible by the necessity of disciplining a wayward province, in whatever form that is proper, through consultation with the same Communion. Here the role of Canterbury, in conjunction with the Primates, and the ECUSA’s historical claim to be in communion with Canterbury and a constituent member of the Anglican Communion, are viewed as the best way to think about discipline within the Body. At issue is not detachment or separation, but the determination of Communion full-stop. Communion is here defined by means of conciliarity, under the authority of Holy Scripture and in the light of received Christian teaching. In the contested area of sexuality, Lambeth 1.10 is the last conciliarly determined statement of human sexuality in this Communion, and compliance with this teaching is a sign of Communion.

In recent days we have seen two statements from the Archbishop of Canterbury. Though the term discipline does not appear in either statement, Archbishop Rowan makes it clear that conciliarity (whose public character is to be determined in a covenant) will in all likelihood result in some ‘opting out’ by those formerly in ‘full eucharistic Communion’ (see address to General Synod). Discipline is, in other words, a decision to forgo the constraints and the hopes of Communion, and the common mission of Christ thereby engendered.

In our view, the problem with the first ‘strategy’ being pursued by conservatives is that it seeks to create a new province by detachment, but leaves unclear what the responsibility for maintaining the Anglican witness in this region is, as a historical and providential fact. It does not want to take up the work of determining the character of Communion, in such a way that those who do not wish to be a part of it can be identified through their own consent and decision. This may result in parallel provinces and putative links to ‘orthodoxy’ in regions beyond the US, but the work of Communion will not be taken up, only moved to a different place for adjudication. Or it will simply be left dangling.

ACI expresses its gratitude to God for the recent statements of Archbishop Rowan and views them as pivotal, charitable, and hopeful. The work is there ahead of us. Many will seek to frame a covenant on terms satisfactory to them, and the larger forces of conciliarity will need then to go to work. In the meantime, we have been given a clear statement that the resolutions of General Convention were incomplete at best and await the adjudication of Communion Instruments. ACI has already noted the difficulty for conciliarity posed by the election of a Presiding Bishop whose public views and actions in respect of human sexuality are at odds with Communion teaching.

This should explain in part why requests are now forthcoming for something being called ‘alternative primatial oversight.’ Whatever else this may mean—and the Archbishop signals his own confusion—they are surely a public statement that the means of Communion linkage for these Dioceses in ECUSA are now disturbed or unclear. Archbishop Rowan does not dismiss these requests, even as he may struggle to know what to do with them, inasmuch as the problem to which they point is real and is bundled with what he understands to be the restraints and the hopefulness of this Anglican Communion.

ACI looks forward to a meeting of Windsor Bishops in the days to come. It is not too soon to begin thinking about what a covenant might look like. Our view is that one could now work toward stipulating what minimal covenant thresholds might be, like Lambeth 1.10, the Windsor Report and Dromantine Responses; these would have to be passed through to reconnect to processes of conciliarity already in place, and so to be a part of a future covenant process. And it is clearly time now to think through what form Communion linkage of parishes through ECUSA, outside of these dioceses, might take, when the status of ECUSA is clouded if not contested. It is to be remembered that Windsor asked certain specific things of ECUSA, and ECUSA responded with seriousness to these requests. What it failed to do was satisfy the requests being made of it, and the election of a Presiding Bishop whose public actions in the area of human sexuality make it unclear how she might constitute ECUSA’s presence at future Primates Meetings.

ACI believes that Archbishop Rowan’s statements offer the clearest vision of the way we must now proceed. We hope that in good time the Bishops of this Communion, here in ECUSA, will gather to begin discussing the best way forward. We must begin the hard work of Communion here on our own side of the pond. Forging links to ‘orthodoxy’ may have served the purpose of expediency at some point in time. Now we are entering a new season, and ‘new occasions teach new duties.’ With God’s help, let us take them up.

Christopher Seitz

Ephraim Radner

Philip Turner

Anglican Communion Institute




I am growing more and more uneasy with the ACI's read on this. They seem here to conflate the process of discipline with the process of covenant creation. They also grow more opposed to parishes/diocese departing ECUSA for other jurisdictions with every publication. As I've mentioned before, their stance in this regard completely ignores the pastoral concerns of parishes in revisionist dioceses, parishes already under the spiritual authority of false teachers, that with every passing day grow more and more vulnerable. The process of covenant creation promises to be at least a decade long if not longer. In that time, most if not all of the orthodox parishes existing within revisionist diocese will have to face the question of succession. Using the helpful tactics and strategy developed over the last years, some will manage to find orthodox rectors or vicars. Most will not.

A Network strategy that does not include the creation of a parallel province is a losing one. Not only does it mean the ultimate abandonment of the isolated parishes mentioned above, it also leaves far too much political, legal, and ecclesial leverage in the hands of 815.

A distict extra-jurisdictional province within the United States now (not a tenth province within ECUSA, but a distinct province beyond ECUSA) that includes not only orthodox dioceses but that also includes those parishes that currently reside in the 7th Convocation would provide a counterweight to 815 in the councils of the communion. It would also ensure the reform of North American Anglicanism, a prospect that remains in doubt so long as the orthodox are bound by the canons of the Episcopal Church. ECUSA has chosen to walk away not just from the Anglican Communion but from Christendom itself. The time has come to let her walk alone.

Communion discipline will come but whether it does or not, the Episcopal Church as it is currently constituted is a dead branch. To be ingrafted into the living vine of the true faith we must seek extrication.

The ACI objection to this strategy is somewhat of a stretch.

In our view, the problem with the first ‘strategy’ being pursued by conservatives is that it seeks to create a new province by detachment, but leaves unclear what the responsibility for maintaining the Anglican witness in this region is, as a historical and providential fact.

I'm not sure why this is unclear? First, a new Anglican province would obviously share the mission of the Church worldwide--to spread the gospel of Christ. Second, it would embrace the classical Anglican expressions of the faith as articulated in prayerbook worship, biblical fidelity and the three-fold ministry of bishops, priests, and deacons.

They go on to object:

It does not want to take up the work of determining the character of Communion, in such a way that those who do not wish to be a part of it can be identified through their own consent and decision.

On the contrary, there is no better way to help clarify the character of the Communion than to establish a second province in North America committed to Anglican orthodoxy. The stark difference between the two provinces would clear the fog quite well. I have no idea why the ACI thinks that the creation of a parallel province would make this process of opting in or opting out more difficult? Certainly (even if ECUSA is disciplined) all provinces would be given the opportunity to assent to or reject the covenant.

This may result in parallel provinces and putative links to ‘orthodoxy’ in regions beyond the US, but the work of Communion will not be taken up, only moved to a different place for adjudication. Or it will simply be left dangling.

Not at all. ECUSA will face Communion discipline and/or she will find it impossible to opt into the new covenant (more likely both). Either way her ties to Canterbury will weaken. The second province comprised of orthodox Anglicans will opt into the covenant and experience increasingly close ties with Canterbury and the rest of the Communion.

Why, by the way, does the ACI place "orthodoxy" inside quotation marks, often called sneer quotes?

The ACI statement seems to advocate a "do nothing" policy. Sit and wait for another ten years while the covenant creation process proceeds. They do call for a meeting of Network bishops (a good idea) and they rightly extoll the ABC's vision for the covenant. What they fail to see is that these days are pivotal.

There is a great opportunity before us to both deal a great blow to the edifice of heterodoxy, 815, and to establish a secure and legitimate province, free of wolves. The danger is that our vision is too small; that we might fail to recognize the door God has opened and ask for too little. It seems as though the great struggle from the perspective of the ACI is for Communion integrity. Whereas, in truth, the heart of the struggle is for biblical fidelity. If we struggle for the former first and foremost we may well lose the latter but if we fight first for the latter we may well save the former.

Biblical fidelity is the desire of the Global South. It is the path taken by the most vital and powerful provinces of the Anglican Communion. We must follow them. They have acted boldly. We must act boldly.

The global south will not fight this battle for us, but they will support us if we act. The CAPA letter and the communications from the Church of Nigeria ought to give our leaders courage. The ABC's description of the 75th General Convention's response to the WR as inadequate and his consideration of the APO requests that have been made ought to give our leaders courage as well.

In my opinion our vision up to this point has been far too small. Our appeals for APO ought not to be limited by the canonical structure of the Episcopal Church. It is time to look beyond them and appeal for a fully recognized orthodox province in America.

Matt
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An orthodox US Anglican Province should be established, but even if TEC is expelled, the new province should not be aligned with other provinces where similarly heretic unbiblical practices are practiced and condoned.

To expell one and remain aligned with the others would make no sense.

[1] Posted by Theodora on 07-11-2006 at 10:39 AM • top

I offer these comments (which were posted on the thread of Sarah’s analyisis).  I think they parallel the point which Matt+ is making, but perhaps from a different perspective.

Here is the existential “nub”, at least for me:

1) Given an assessment that the Episcopal Church is totally apostate, what should a member of that denomination do in order to remain a faithful disciple of Jesus the Christ?

2) How immediate must any resolution of question (1) actually be?

3) Who decides question (2) - the institution or the individual?

Bureaucrats and theologians both delight in constructing “systems” within which to operate. The problem is that such systems are not designed for the average person “in the ranks.” Indeed such “systems” are designed for self-preservation. Individuals are not usally a concern of either group.

In the days when there was just one church, I believe individuals were constrained to let the bishops resolve issues of correct belief and then pass those down to the presbyters, the various congregations, and finally down to the individual believer. In short, the non-clerical believer would possess himself in patience and wait for the pronouncement from above. I also suspect that in such a situation the individual believer would rarely be aware taht there was any conflict at all!

In the situaation we find ourselves now - multiple denominations which all claim to be “Christian” - I believe the individual’s responsibility has now changed. I think individuals are now burdened with the task of determining just where the Truth actually lies and which camp is holding onto it.

So I see this latest ACI pronouncement as focusing on the dilemma of the Institution - the Anglican Communion - and not at all on the dilemma of the individual believer.

This has been my objection to roughkly 90% of the dialogue and debate which has occurred over the years. Those debates and dialogues, rarely address the questions that plague individuals. Who or what do we believe? Can we trust our own interpretation of Scripture? Classical Anglicanism - and I believe true Chritian practice - depends on the witness of those faithful saints who have gone before. Who are the faithful witnesses that I can trust?

How can we be sure that we are not making decisions basied on our personal preferences rather than being in accord with God’s will?

The “Institutional” part of this crisis concerns how we form structures which preserve the true witness of the saints and, hopefully, help the individual to conform to God’s will,.

It may just be the case that individuals will have to separate or “detach,” if you will, from the Institution in order to reamin faithful disciples of Christ.

This is an issue that the various groups like ACI, AAC and ACN do not seem to be able to come to greps with, in my opinion.

So I think that what will result before all of this is over is that individuals are going to have to band together with those whom they feel they can trust and maintain whatever Community that they can fashion, whether within a denomination or outside of it.

Some may have to leave the Episcopal Church until such time as the intitutional issues are resolved in order to protect their young children from the corruption of the current body. The fact that the numbers have been steadily dropping since the mid 1990’s or before indicate to me that a lot of individuals have drawn the same conclusion.

I offer this thought in the hope that it might be helpful to those who are still strugling witht the question of “What do I do now?”

Unfortunately, I don’t think that ++Rowan’s statements nor the current ACI statement are going to be any help in making that decision.

Peace

[2] Posted by Allen Lewis on 07-11-2006 at 11:46 AM • top

Allen,

I agree completely. Sarah called me after I dashed off and posted my analysis. She had posted hers only 8 minutes before. We did not intend or plan to write about the same thing at the same time, but we did. There is some difference in that Sarah seems to have gone for an analysis and I actually advocate a course of action, but we both seem to be uneasy with the same things. I resonate strongly with what you have written and I do believe that the pastoral concern of parents and priests have been ignored.

The ACI is top notch when it comes to analyzing the importance and meaning of documents. But when it comes to planning or advocating action, they seem, for some reason, quite removed from the reality on the ground.

Perhaps this is something of the frustration a company commander must feel when he recieves the latest battle plan from HQ and realizes that the generals have no concept of what is happening on the battlefield, that the plan is beautiful and complex and utterly unworkable.

[3] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-11-2006 at 11:59 AM • top

The real issues that make it necessary to form an extra-jurisdictional, orthodox, Anglican province are all about time and resources.

We do not have a lot of time before the orthodox “army” disperses for Rome, Orthodoxy, or an Evangelical Protestant home.  Ever since GC 2003 there’s been an exodus. Folks are not likely to wait much longer, when TEC becomes more heterodox by the minute.  Once gone, they are not likely to return.  Allen Lewis correctly points out that orthodox individuals will often need to do something soon to ensure that their children are exposed to a truly Christian environment.  The parent of a 10-year-old certainly doesn’t have the option of waiting 10 years for the covenant process to work itself out.

Forming a “10th” province within TEC means that our resources will continue to be drained away to fight organizational battles with “Worthy Opponents” who control the organization. Don’t forget that Integrity has a link (under “Groups and Organizations”) from the official TEC website.  Are there any traditional Anglican organizations so honored? What will GC 2009 and GC 2012 cost the orthodox movement?  It will be a constant, and probably losing, battle to maintain the orthodoxy of a province within an heterodox church.

Forming an orthodox province outside TEC but within the Anglican Communion ought to be something that can be done quickly, and offers the best hope for a stable home for the orthodox.

[4] Posted by Peter M. Vermigli on 07-11-2006 at 12:28 PM • top

Peter,

I completely agree.

I think, given the fact that the Network diocesans seem to be appealing for some form of internal distinction, the best way to do create an external jurisdiction would be to have a Network bishop, perhaps a retired bishop, ask for APO on behalf of the seventh convocation..

[5] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-11-2006 at 12:37 PM • top

Just before Columbus, Father Kennedy and others on this site, got it right when they identified a lack of clarity, (“let your yes be your yes…”) as the real danger to the church. 

We are not in church to play politics,or muse over brandy and cigars about Anglican politics and structure. We are hear to worship the Risen Lord and bring the Good News to a suffering and lost world. We can’t do the latter in the type of self imposed beuracratic prison that the ACI would have the Anglican orthodox reside for the next ten years-or beyond.

[6] Posted by Going Home on 07-11-2006 at 12:39 PM • top

First, let me plead ignorance.  Who is the ACI and how much influence/power/authority do they have in this situation.

Second, as a member of the Orthodox army, our patience in being worn thin my the seemingly open-ended call to wait.  Even those of us without a ten year old child, don’t have 10 years to wait.  Last Sunday, when I knelt at the altar I had to cross my arms over my chest because I could not in good conscience receive the bread and wine.  Because of statements made by the diocesean bishop and the fact that we pray for “our presiding bishop elect, Katherine, the weight of the fact I would be putting myself in communion with heretics and apostates, I just couldn’t do any longer.

I don’t know if I can receive communion in any church that is still tied to TEC/ECUSA no matter how much the rector and the people make verbal affirmations that Holy Scripture will be the guide to what the Holy Spirit is doing.  Unlike the sentiment I heard from one fellow parishioner this past Sunday, the PB is not like the CEO of the company for which you work.  It is a sacramental relationship from PB to diocesean bishop, from diocesean bishop to rector to me.  By that chain, I become yoked to unbelievers.

I have received a lot of blessing and teaching over the past few months from various evangelical teachers in print, and on the television and radio.  Truth for Life, with Alaister Begg has been a wonderful blessing and it is refreshing to hear someone cut through the chase and talk about the imperative scripture places on us to live lives of love, but to live them as holy ones.

[7] Posted by Gayle on 07-11-2006 at 01:14 PM • top

Gayle:

1. Alot of influence. They are brilliant thinkers and their analysis is generally right on. They are read accross the Communion by people who make big decisions.

2. Yes we are all getting impatient, but the question is whether or not it is an emotional impatience, or whether it is based on biblical imperatives.

3. I agree with you that there are biblical imperatives behind the growing sense of frustration on the part of orthodox people on the ground, especially those in revisionist diocese or parishes.

4. Alister Begg is awesome

[8] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-11-2006 at 01:19 PM • top

Fr Kennedy:

Thank you.  I could not agree more!  You have written much about not conflating the covenant process with Windsor, but to see it coming from the orthodox side, first from Dr. Harding and now from ACI, is disheartening. 

The good news is that their analysis is irrelevant.  ++Akinola and Roseberry+ and countless people less well known simply won’t stand for it.  And that includes my wife and me.  We would join the Assemblies of God, we would learn Church Slavonic, we would pray the rosary, or we would move to Africa before we would ever, ever, be part of ECUSA for another ten years while they sort out the covenant.  I suspect there are one or two others that fall into this category.

Those pondering the theoretical beauty of the covenant (including ++Williams?) must make provision for the faithful now or the covenant will be as irrelevant when they get around to it as they seem to think the Windsor Report is now.  The best way to insure that this conflation never suceeds is to follow Akinola and Roseberry and go full speed ahead. The Anglican Communion has almost been destroyed by “facts on the ground.”  Perhaps it can be saved the same way.

[9] Posted by wildfire on 07-11-2006 at 01:29 PM • top

Excellent analysis Matt+ and I’m with you.

[10] Posted by Lee Parker on 07-11-2006 at 02:28 PM • top

There is still a ‘fault line’ running through those of us that are ‘communion’ conservatives and it’s not the ‘trusting’>|<‘wary’ issue.

On the Day After GC ‘03, while I was mourning with tears of pain and grief, I began reviewing our history, the environment and the options. I came to see that there were only two choices in regards to TECUSA: leave or stay.

We have since seen variations of those choices. Today we are talking about the transition phase as the ‘communion’ conservatives face the fact that many that are with them have several problems:
• They are in revisionist dioceses and at the least are cut off from likeminded fellowship and at the very worse they are in great stress from persecution, CT, LA
• they are in a muddled diocese that is divided, TN?
• they are in a diocese with a communion bishop, i.e. +N IN
• are in a diocese with a Windsor bishop

There is one more description we have to look hard at:
• They are in a communion /Windsor diocese committed to staying in TEC all the way via a 10th province and the people are united
• They are in a parish or dioceses where many believe the TEC is a spreading cancer and cannot stay united to it but want to be Windsor Anglicans

As I see it, not one diocesan bishop is in that last frame of thinking; however, more and more laity and clergy are saying, ‘I cannot ever be part of that again but I am a Windsor Anglican.

So, the fault line I’m seeing is putting more stress out there and there is occasionally a sudden, sharp quake, i.e. LA, Plano, and triage and relief will be needed for resource shy places.

Windsor clergy/laity/TEC >|<Windsor laity/NO TEC

We will see more quakes. If the bishops continue to hang tough, the potential for a 9.2 becomes more and more real.

Then it will truly be the day after.

[11] Posted by Bob Maxwell+ on 07-11-2006 at 04:54 PM • top

Matt+, thank you for your right on the money comments. (Thanks also to Timothy and Mark McCall who both speak for me.) The ACI has said many poignant and helpful things over the past few years, but they are totally off on this one.  There is no way faithful Christian Anglicans will hang around for this mushy concept of reconstructed Anglicanism via more committees drafting more concepts of communion and more reports.  Jesus Christ has been denied and defiled by the Episcopal “church.” There must be a faithful orthodox Anglican alternative (such as is already developing in the Common Cause alliance)or people will go elsewhere to worship Almighty God and the Risen Lord Jesus. It is good to get involved with the body of Christ from all denominations to remind us of what this faith is all about. Studying the Bible with women from 36 different churches in Community Bible Study has wonderfully impacted my life of faith, and helped me keep all of this in perspective.

[12] Posted by BettyLee Payne on 07-11-2006 at 05:31 PM • top

Matt,

I have known and loved all three of these guys for years, but I am somewhat confused by this response.  I have been hearing for three years that ECUSA needed to be given the opportunity to repent and GC06 was that opportunity.  Despite my disappointment with Windsor, I also understood that it deliberately set the bar low. ECUSA could not bring itself to setp over the bar. 

I can read the events of last month in no other way than that TEC/formerly ECUSA has chosen to reject Windsor and to walk apart from the Anglican Communion.  To be a Windsor bishop, priest, or layperson means then refusing to go down the path ECUSA has chosen.  I can read that no other way except in terms of formal separation.

At any rate, for those of us who are lay people the realities are often shaped by facts on the ground.  Ten years ago I was a member of a “moderate” parish that split when the Bishop and search committee worked secretly to bring in a lesbian rector.  I resolved after that that I would never again be a member of a parish that was not clearly committed to orthodoxy.  When I moved to CT I found that a difficult resolve to keep.  I visited one parish where I heard a priest preach on Palm Sunday that the idea that Jesus had died for our sins had caused more suffering and evil than any other idea in history.  I visited another where I heard the priest say that the Lambeth bishops were responsible for the murder of Matthew Shephard and that Lambeth 98 was an obscenity.

I joined the one AAC parish in the diocese (others joined later) and a few year later found myself one weekday facing a bishop in a parking lot who had invaded the parish building, changed the locks, broken into our computer, and threatened the church secretary to the point of tears.

Because of a family emergency, I have spent the last several months in the diocese of Arizona, where I have discovered the closest Network parish is in Phoenix, a four-hour drive.  Without exception, every TEC parish in drivable distance is completely committed to the revisionist agenda.

So the choice was easy.  I’ve been attending a local ELCA parish that affirms on its website that it is committed to the infallibility of Scripture, the historic Creeds, and the Book of Concord.  Although it it is just one of three Lutheran parishes in a small town, it is, by TEC parishes, a megachurch.  There are four services (three on Sunday, one on Saturday).  Each service fills out with about 200 people.  The preaching is some of the best I’ve heard in my life.  There choirs are full of bodies, and worship, while not up to ECUSA standards—the Lutheran Book of Worship is even worse than the 79 BCP—is done with dignity.

At the same time, this is a choice I would prefer not to have had to make.  Yet I see no other alternative in dioceses like Arizona or Connecticut unless bishops are willing to declar that those dioceses that are not Windosr-compliant are vacant and subject to boundary-crossing.  If I stay in Arizona, I’d love to be part of a new formation of orthodox Anglicanism.  I will not have anything to do with the TEC diocese here.

[13] Posted by William Witt on 07-11-2006 at 07:35 PM • top

Matt+ and others, I think that, once again, that we’re seeing a distinction between the “Network approach” and the “Windsor approach.”  Matt+, in your analysis above you note: “They do call for a meeting of Network bishops (a good idea) . . .” But that’s NOT what they call for.  What they call for is a meeting of WINDSOR BISHOPS.  As I’ve been stressing over and over, the two are somewhat different in terms of their strategy.  Network bishops seem to lean more towards action now to separate from the heterodox body of ECUSA, perhaps they are more what some have called “Federal Conservatives.”  The Windsor bihops (like +Wimberly and +MacPherson)aren’t there yet.  They want to see the covenant process through.  They’re willing to wait a decade if necessary.  They want to move slowly and deliberately.  They are “Communion Conservatives,” and ACI agrees with their strategy —play the hand out to the end.  I think that deep down they know that most of TEC will not be able to sign onto the covenant, but their betting that many more dioceses will go with the Communion if we pursue the covenant process.  The Windsor bishops do not feel the pressure for immediate action that Federal Conservatives feel.  They may underestimate the patience of folks like ++Akinola (and other Global South primates), but the Windsor folks are probably right that the great mass of orthodox Anglicans in the pews don’t feel the necessity for action that most readers of this blog feel.  I think we need to honestly acknowledge that there is a sincere and profound difference of opinion about strategy between Network and Windsor bishops.  They agree on what orthodoxy is, but they disagree on how best to preserve it in North America.  The trick, I think, is to find a way forward that maintains maximum possible unity among the orthodox.  I don’t agree with the strategy of the ACI/Windsor bishops, but I respect their strategy is a reasonable one.  As someone living in a thoroughly revisionist diocese I have, for the sake of sanity, had to take refuge in a Continuing parish for the past 3 years.  Others may find other short-term solutions.  I still believe that there will ultimately be a convergence of orthodox Anglicans, and I look forward to that day with great anticipation.  However, I have also come to accept that this will all move on God’s timetable, not on mine.  I feel the Lord has given me a safe haven in this storm, and I suspect that there are lots of other safe havens out there for folks like us who simply cannot abide living daily in heresy.  But in exchange for this haven, I feel God is asking for my patience with the whole process of realignment.  Although I disagree with the analysis of the ACI and Windsor bishops, I respect them and I look forward to a future day when we are focused on mission and not on managing the relationship with TEC (of which a solid majority accepts heretical doctrines).  I think we need a long-term perspective.  In the days of the Judges, although the majority was not faithful to the covenant, those who were found a way to survive.  Sometimes that is part of God’s plan, to test the faithful.  For those of us who are unable to abide living in communion with a heretical bishop, we need to find constructive alternatives that nourish us spiritually.  But at the same time, I think we need to resist the temptation to judge others with whom we disagree over strategy.  There are no clear cut answers.  We are all looking through a glass darkly, and what we need more than anything else is caritas.  All blessings!

[14] Posted by Chris Taylor on 07-11-2006 at 08:34 PM • top

Dr. Witt,

As a former priest in AZ and with a son in Tucson that used to sing in a church choir and now is ‘looking and waiting,’ I understand completely.

I wish you were closer to Christ Church! They’re is also a faithful group that Fr. Ron Jackson has been shepherding in Flag. And a good, growing ELCA misson in Holbrook.

What part of AZ are you in? I know Windsor Anglicans all over AZ. Some day I hope they and I have an opportunity to worship with you.

If you’re ever ovr here in the DRG, there’s orthodox congregations all over the place. Even in our few via media parishes, I’ve always heard a gospel sermon, not the stuff you had to sit through.

The temblors are happening daily. . .

[15] Posted by Bob Maxwell+ on 07-11-2006 at 08:40 PM • top

Matt,

Keep up the good work, you continue to challenge us all: Federal and Communion.  I go to an orthodox parish.  This summer, I have been noticing that many of the adult and college age children I meet coming home to visit Mom & Dad are no longer involved in an Episcopal or Anglican church. 

I have to say that if my children (14 and 11) go to my alma mater for college, I would advise them not to attend the local Episcopal Church (there is not an Anglican church there.)  In fact, I have already begun to discuss these things with them in an effort to make sure they are not confused by our affiliation with the Episcopal church. 

It is a shame when you have to warn children about strange Episcopal churches as you might warn them about child molesters in the park.

I believe that separation is the only way to reach the Episcopal Church.  As Paul said, he is the apostles to the Gentiles but hopes that his work will bring his beloved Jews to repentance.

Bill

[16] Posted by BillK on 07-11-2006 at 08:44 PM • top

Chris Taylor,

Yes, the meeting they called for was not simply a Network meeting but a meeting of all Windsor bishops. In fact, in their previous publication they called for the structural breakdown of the Network, replacing it with a more comprehensive “network” of Windsor bishops. I opined then and I believe even more strongly now, that is only one more ingredient in the devolution of orthodoxy in N. American Anglicanism. It cedes leadership to those least likely to exercise it and guardianship of the truth to those who have thus far been most unwilling to defend it.

No way. 

The entire program of the ACI, as I argued in my article above is designed around the goal of defending Communion Integrity not biblical fidelity. Both need to be maintained, but biblical fidelity is always and must alway be the primary concern.

And here, precisely, is the rub. It may seem from the perspective of a Network diocese, or a moderate diocese, or from the chair of some seminary department, that there is all the time in the world to wait for the processes of Communion to work themselves out.

But for those parish leaders under the spiritual headship of wolves with sheep to protect, every day adds to the danger.

Ten years from now when the Communion process, as understood by the ACI, grinds to a conclusion, those left in the orthodox ECUSAn camp will find their movement coopted by jelly-spined “Windsor” moderates unwilling to stand and devestatingly depopulated by the attrition of orthodox pastors and parishes in revisionist diocese.

This is the outcome of the ACI vision.

It is a recipe for defeat.

[17] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-12-2006 at 03:46 AM • top

I chafe at the monikers “federal” conservatives and “communion” conservatives because, quite frankly, some of us simply never had a choice.  After our church decided to move in a strong reappraising direction, we found that the next closest orthodox church lies in another city.  There was nothing I could do for the communion - though I do not support a federalist system.

Matt: First, your insistence for biblical fidelity is appropriate and refreshing.  This is not a close call.  Second, you are correct there must be some near-term structural change resulting from (P)ECUSA’s failure to comply with Windsor - otherwise, IMHO, the communion is more likely to split.  (P)ECUSA has made its choice, why should we repeat the question?  What is our witness to the world?

In my city, the “great mass” of orthodox anglicans are no longer anglican.  I am now anglican only by the blessing of a church plant under an overseas primate.

I fear that the ACI may be a bit out of touch.

[18] Posted by tired on 07-12-2006 at 06:46 AM • top

Matt+, my analysis is closer to yours by far.  That’s why, nearly 3 years ago I wrote my bishop, after he participated in the consecration of Gene Robinson, resigned from diocesan positions and decided not to continue as senior warden of my ECUSA parish and found refuge in a Continuing Anglican parish.  I could see that the future of ECUSA, especially in NJ, was a dead end.  I don’t regret my decision for a second, but I’m much less optimistic about what happens, or can happen, when small minorities of well-intentioned and biblically faithful people leave a larger body heading in the wrong direction.  How much experience do you have with the Continuum?  They’re mostly wonderful Godly people.  They did what you are eager to do now 30 years ago, and things didn’t quite turn out as any of them thought they would.  I still agree with you that separation from the larger heterodox body is coming and is essential if Anglicanism is to have ANY future in North America.  However, for me the lesson of the Continuum is that when you leave, you need to be sure that you’re leaving with the vast majority of the orthodox still in TEC.  It’s going to be a tough road out there, and you need everyone you can possibly get.  So all I’m saying is that if you’re stuck in a hopeless diocese, like Central NY or NJ, you need to distinguish your own necessities from those of the larger church and the larger future of Anglicanism in North America as a whole.  I read the ACI/Windsor bishop strategy as “go slower” and the Network strategy as “it’s time to fish or cut bait folks.”  I’m with the Network on this, as you are, but if there’s a reasonable hope that a significantly larger crowd of orthodox Anglicans can be brought out of heresy with us, I think we need to be patient.  Remember the shepard who leaves the 99 to look for that one lost sheep?  The critical question, of course is, how long do you wait?  How do you know when waiting is costing you more people than separating now would cost you?  I think the ACI and the Windsor bishops need to answer those questions.  I’m in a diosese that’s every bit as hopeless as yours (I even got to deal with one of your former bishops, +Joslin, for a few years when ours, +Doss, imploded!)  So I feel your pain, but try to look creatively for those shelters that God provides for us in times of storm (and boy are we in a storm now, brother!)  For me personally it was a great little Continuing parish where I took shelter.  I’m not sure what the answer is for you and your parish, but I am certain that God will provide for you—we need to separate our own need for urgent relief from the insanity of TEC from the needs of the larger church.  This is moving on God’s time line, not ours.  So I look forward to that glorious day when God leads us out of the wilderness, but out here in the Continuum, I’m learning the virtue of patience.  There will be a RIGHT moment, I’m just not sure we’re there yet.  All blessings! -Chris

[19] Posted by Chris Taylor on 07-12-2006 at 07:35 AM • top

Christopher Seitz has posted the following on Titusonenine.  I’m assuming his brief numbered replies are in response to Allen Lewis’ comment and questions above.

Seitz Says:

July 12th, 2006 at 9:07 am
I see some confusion has been generated at other venues (Stand Firm, etc). Just so there is no further confusion

1. ‘Communion Bishops’ in the US means: Network and Windsor Bishops, with other Communion Bishops from beyond the US

2. For the purpose of providing clear, formal links to the Communion, for Windsor/Network dioceses and parishes

3. As soon as possible – August or September

4. Given that the Communion status of ECUSA is in question (see original text).

Blessings — CRS

http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/?p=14146
comment #13

[20] Posted by Karen B. on 07-12-2006 at 07:41 AM • top

Matt, I delight in your protection of your flock and your passion for biblical fidelity.  I’ve been mulling over your thoughts a lot.  When we ask ourselves how do we best deliver biblical fidelity to the next generation, the answers at a family level and a parish level are more straightforward than at a diocesan level.  Because of the inherent variabilities between dioceses, I wonder that the answers must vary from diocese to diocese.  However, we all have a certain degree of corporate responsibility to our respective dioceses.  How do you see your responsibility to deliver biblical fidelity to the next generation in your diocese?  I ask because the path forward must surely take this into account.
No rush—I’m off to work.

[21] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 07-12-2006 at 08:05 AM • top

Karen, it’s not clear what Dr. Seitz’s numbers refer to.  Matt+ has already asked him to clarify what his points are responding to.  ACI sometimes communicates in a sort of short-hand that ends up making things a lot more confusing than they need to be.  However, I do appreciate the new distinction he is making COMMUNION BISHOPS = Windsor Bishops (US) + Network Bishops (US) + other Communion bishops and primates from beyond the USA.

[22] Posted by Chris Taylor on 07-12-2006 at 08:11 AM • top

Okay, here is Dr. Seitz’s response to Matt+ over on T19:

Matt–No, they are not in response to specific points, and Stand Firm is only mentioned because of alerts sent to me to detailed responses there. The points are generic and explanatory, due to confusion. Who? Windsor/Network Bishops and all prepared to sign on to Lambeth 1.10, with Bishops from elsewhere in the Communion. When? Soon. Why? To make connections to Communion for parishes in and out of Windsor/Network Dioceses clear. All best — CRS.

[23] Posted by Chris Taylor on 07-12-2006 at 08:14 AM • top

“What part of AZ are you in? I know Windsor Anglicans all over AZ.”

I’m currently twenty miles outside Sierra Vista, just over the Mexican border, literally in the middle of nowhere. Now back to the topic of discussion.

[24] Posted by William Witt on 07-12-2006 at 09:23 AM • top

I’m still a bit perplexed as to the meaning of Dr. Seitz’ comment at titusonine. Does anyone have a read on it?

[25] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-12-2006 at 10:09 AM • top

Jill,

I agree with you with regard to our corporate responsibility. I do believe, however, that these responsibilities are tiered. My first responsibility is the protection of those who have been put directly in my charge. Next comes our witness to a heretical diocese. My parish is small, 70-80 on a Sunday. About 50% are baby believer, people who have just surrendered their lives to Jesus in the last three years. The front line is no place for a baby. Even were I serving in a church with hardened Anglican Warriors, the fact is that sometime in the next ten years I will likely either be deposed or move on. In which case, this faithful parish (and many others) are open to invasion because when it comes to succession, in general, the bishop holds the cards. So, staying, is, in my opinion, not going to be a faithful option (for me) for long.

[26] Posted by Matt Kennedy on 07-12-2006 at 10:20 AM • top

Several people here have hit the nail on the head:
* We laity are not in an Anglican concentration camp ..... We are free to leave any time we get sufficiently fed up with the situation on the ground.
* We are the Priesthood of All Believers .... It is OUR responsibility and duty, when it comes to our families, and ourselves, as to how long we shall wait before we find another faithful Christian body.
* Some of us have already found other faithful Anglican bodies here in this country (USA).  To us, these esoteric ACI debates look a whole lot like REARRANGING THE DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC !!!
* ACI, the ECUSA ship is sinking, gentlemen !
* Take all the time you need, and be sure to turn out the lights when you are the last ones left.

[27] Posted by Anglican Observer on 07-12-2006 at 03:24 PM • top

Matt, fifty percent of your congregation are recent converts?  Whoa!  That is a story I’d like to hear.  Tell us about evangelism in your parish.

[28] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 07-12-2006 at 06:52 PM • top

As “outsider” observing, I have followed the GC06 as closely as anyone could and still hold a job.  I have refrained from commenting since there was so much fog of war, rapid change, and developing strategies.  Now things have really come into focus.  I think there are some facts that must be faced:

1. ECUSA is apostate, dead, and cut off from the church catholic.
2. There is no prospect for reform short of the Second Coming.
3. Christians have no alternatives but to separate from ECUSA.
4. The longer this is delayed the more the poison will be effective and this is especially true of the children.
5. The longer separation takes, the more time and assets that will be lost to the cause of Christ. 
6. Leaving now will begin a viable process for the mission of the church and the honor to Christ.
7. We can grieve over the loss of a great heritage, and of a whole American denomination, but this will not bring it back or do the work of the Lord, no matter how much we agonize over it.
8. It is becoming evident that there are many in leadership who are thought of as orthodox who are more and more revealing that they are “company men” and not able to leave their comfortable place in the hierarchy.  The price they will pay is loss of an orthodox following and integrity for leadership.  They are to be pitied and prayed for.  For ECUSA the sun has set.


In my travels around our country I have visited “Orthodox” parishes.  Even though I know there are many true believers there, I felt the stench of death there.  I have determined to never attend another ECUSA church and I will not take communion there even if it has a great orthodox reputation.  If an Episcopalian were to by some miracle come into our tiny church there would have to be a long discussion with them before communion would be offered to them.  I know this is a blow to some of my dear Episcopalian friends.  It breaks my heart, but the end has come.

I will pray that there would be a new Anglican province established here in North America.  If the Anglican Communion does not clean up its act then the same thing will have to shortly happen there also.  It may be that the orthodox will have to give up on all the good things and memories of what were.  Some will have to be content to have a small not connected denomination, some will have to go to other denominations, and some will just have to be geared down to some form of congregationalism until the Lord provides a structure that is connectional, if at all.  This is a sad time but faithfulness to Christ and protection of the family and own personal spirituality is paramount.  Many will disagree with my analysis and it would be nice if I am wrong, but I ask you: ten years from now if I am correct, where will you be?  What will you have to show for the ten years?  What will be the verdict at the Judgment Seat of Christ?

Love, Peace and strength to all.  JPH

[29] Posted by John Hey MD on 07-12-2006 at 09:00 PM • top

Dr. Hey it appears that you have experienced a visit to the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg, but before it goes under…people abandoning ship while others are trying to organize the exodus to save as many as possible…I was wondering whether you would expand on the characteristics of the “stench of death” that we should rid ourselves of after we have abandoned the ship.

[30] Posted by johnp on 07-12-2006 at 09:15 PM • top

Johnp, what a question.  It would take a long discourse, but basically, the stench is not the people but the “church”.  Hopefully after leaving it would not follow.  I admit it is a “feeling” (have to be careful with that word), more like my spirit grieved and distracted.  The trapppings of death were there.  I felt darkness and confusion and lack of vitality. I have noticed this in some other churches in other denominations, also.  You would have to be careful on leaving not to take any of the idols and false doctrine and practices with you.  Good leaders would need to carefully build with gold, silver and precious stone on the one true foundation.  The Word of God must be carefully taught in deepth as part of the growth process.  There is a lot of catching up to do in the resuscitation.  Every one must be sure that all are truly born again and evangelism should be a priority including for those who come out also.  Learn from past mistakes.  Leave the results up to the Lord.  Go with God.

[31] Posted by John Hey MD on 07-12-2006 at 09:51 PM • top

Hey.
I could smell this Hey hay the other day.
Tell me you aren’t her big brudda.
We don’t wait to make hay in Texas…if you “refrain from [making hay] until the [fog lifts] the hay sours. Do tell us all about your “tiny church” Doctor.
I’m not at all sure we are on the same page.

[32] Posted by Texican on 07-12-2006 at 09:58 PM • top

hey hey hey, Hey
Btw, are you by any chance one of the principals at “Sleepy Inc.”?
This stuff is keeping me up at night.

[33] Posted by Texican on 07-12-2006 at 10:16 PM • top

Texican,

Dr. Hey (btw, pronounced “high,” and he’s Sarah’s dad, not her brother) can defend himself quite well, but I think his basic point is that we hang onto the material trappings of our faith, and those other things that define our “comfort zone,” at our own peril.

It sounds like you’re itching for a fight; I hope that’s not the case.

[34] Posted by Greg Griffith on 07-12-2006 at 10:34 PM • top

Well, Texican, Greg has outed me!  My great-grandfather after coming from Germany dropped the last “e” from the Hey name—(to quote Dr. Reye:”How do you chaps pronounce eye?”). He fought in the War of Northern Aggression on the wrong side at Gettysburg then came to Tallahatchie county and became chairman of the Board of Supervisors, so I guess he had some type of political savvy.  I have some wonderful friends in Texas many of whom go to churches like ours but theirs are huge.  I know to Texans size is so important.  Why here in Mississippi we graze a cow on one acre, but in Texas you use one hundred acres per cow.  As for our “tiny church,” since we are in the Baptist Belt and “if you ain’t Baptist you might as well be a Moony.”  At the present rate though we may become larger than the local ECUSA outlet.  The big PCA church seems to be getting most of the lively refugees.  Suffice it to say, our church is mostly “primitive Anglican”  Our main claim to fame is having produced a Sarah,  My comments are not about a particular church configuration or index of size or prestige.  The issues raised are what need discussing.  Glad you are sleeping well.  Sleep is a necessity for good health.  Now do you want to show us yours?  Regards, St. John

[35] Posted by John Hey MD on 07-13-2006 at 08:30 AM • top

Dr. Hey, I think I love you.  (I do think your daugther is splendid.)  I am also a Texan and I just love it when anyone calls that tragic episode between 1861-1865 “the War of Northern Agression”.  I’m DAR and DAC, North Carolina on both sides of my family.

All the talk of magnolia blossoms and mint juleps aside, I found your first comments to hit home on several levels.  This past Sunday I went to church as usual, but when I went to the altar, I knelt and crossed my arms over my chest because I just couldn’t receive communion.  Like your daughter, I want to fight for this little stone bridge because I also believe that we are not just fighting flesh and blood, but powers and principalities.

But, I am missing the sacrament and I don’t know how long I can go.

[36] Posted by Gayle on 07-13-2006 at 08:45 AM • top

Re: “He fought in the War of Northern Aggression on the wrong side at Gettysburg . . . “


Why has this terrible family secret been kept from me?  When were you ever going to tell me?

Is it necessary to reveal such things on a public blog?  Good grief, I won’t be able to hold my head up anymore.

. . . What was wrong with him?  The usual family mental illness “gone wrong”???


; > )

[37] Posted by Sarah on 07-13-2006 at 08:58 AM • top

GG,
“Hey hay” like, “high cotton” is pronounced the same, btw.  Big brudda/big daddy…same connotation.  I am not spoiling, my beef is with the same space-invaders whose innovations against which we have all pledged to Stand Firm.

St. John,
I pointed out that your surnames are coincidental. We think, for the sake of occasional readers, you might have just gone on to identify yerself as Sarah Hey’s father.
Thanks for the run-down on yer family.  Sorry I don’t see how it’s pertinent (maybe it explains where Sarah gets it).
You’re right, TX is a big place, but in the Dio of TX the grass grows as high as it does in the delta. 
You don’t identify your affiliation, and I understand, a lot of us aren’t sure what’s wise atm. 
Now, it does sound like you have your eye on “refugee” numbers, as do any number of innovative splinters.  A lot of us see more innovation and going the way the wind blows with Ecusa (and innovative di$coverie$ in medical $leep di$order$) as problematic.
What we really want to know is, does Sarah, as you do, hold down a job? and to which asending star will she tether her dingy?

PS: You show us yours first.

[38] Posted by Texican on 07-13-2006 at 09:54 AM • top

“We think, for the sake of occasional readers, you might have just gone on to identify yerself as Sarah Hey’s father.”

I don’t think Dad wanted to insult the intelligence of the StandFirm readers, Texican.

“Thanks for the run-down on yer family.  Sorry I don’t see how it’s pertinent (maybe it explains where Sarah gets it).”

Actually, Texican, you’re the one that has made it personal.

I wonder why?

And why do you keep using the word “we”, when it’s in reality “you”?

[39] Posted by Sarah on 07-13-2006 at 10:19 AM • top

Texican, so the burning issue is do any of us have a job?  Answer is no, we are all on welfare,  “We draws for a living”  After all transfer payments are the main industry of Mississippi—-old poverty.  Now what about the decaying heresy in ECUSA?  What are you going to do about it this Sunday?  Enquiring minds want to know.

[40] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 07-13-2006 at 05:29 PM • top

PM, you are partially correct.  Some of us,however, are independantly wealthy—old money.  As for working?  I think that sounds a lot like slavery and I think the Yankees outlawed that in 1865.  Now I must attend to this Mint Jullip that my servant just brought me.

[41] Posted by John Hey MD on 07-13-2006 at 07:49 PM • top

Dr Hey

You are my kind of man. I have been mixing Juleps since my youth in Kentucky. (Smashing that mint against the glass.) I would be honored to serve one to you. I have wealth now, not old money -since my parents and their parents were wiped out by the Depression of the 1930’s, but with wealth earned in my own lifetime. It works just as well.
God has blessed me beyond any measure I could have guessed forty years ago. It may even be that my measure of wealth would not be considered rich by some. But for me it is wonderful. TBTG. May we all continue to be blessed.

Don

[42] Posted by Gulfstream on 07-13-2006 at 08:13 PM • top

Blast!

Dad, I’d prefer that my siblings not know that you gave *me* the inheritance from great-great-grandfather’s ill-gotten gains from bootlegging.  I think it would demoralize them . . .

; > )

[43] Posted by Sarah on 07-13-2006 at 08:47 PM • top

I have these wonderful visions of generations of Heys driving BIG cars across the back roads of Mississippi, avoiding the revenooers. Shades of a certain TV show.

Don

[44] Posted by Gulfstream on 07-13-2006 at 09:05 PM • top

I would have thought the money was made in the slave trading, but that would have been confederate money and it is greatly discounted in today’s market—-later it will be worth face value.

[45] Posted by PROPHET MICAIAH on 07-14-2006 at 12:03 PM • top

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