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TLC:Virginia Congregations Present Opening Arguments, Call Witnesses
Tuesday, November 13, 2007 • 7:30 pm

The Living Church reports:
A state statute dating back to divisions over slavery and the Civil War provides that when a church or religious society experiences a division, local congregations may vote to determine with which branch of the divided body they wish to affiliate. The Richmond Times-Dispatch recently reported that Fairfax Circuit Judge Randy I. Bellows has ruled that the trial will focus on whether there has been a division within The Episcopal Church and the Diocese of Virginia, whether the Anglican Communion meets the law’s definition of a church or religious society, whether there is a division in the Anglican Communion, and whether the departing congregations were attached to the Anglican Communion.

The diocese is expected to argue that The Episcopal Church is a hierarchical national church and that in a hierarchical church only the official governing bodies are capable of determining when a formal split has occurred.

Comments:

It is ironic that the first Bishop in the USA, Samuel Seabury was consecrated by the Scottish, because for political reasons the Church of England had to be bypassed! Now we need the help of other jurisdictions to help reform the Church in North America, or at least realign the faithful.
http://www.pwcweb.com/ecw/prof_toc.html

[1] Posted by Glendermott on 11-13-2007 at 10:03 PM

Somewhat off-topic, but there is an excellent recent article by Mark Steyn that references western Anglicanism’s dramatic membership loss:

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/697/28/

[2] Posted by st. anonymous on 11-13-2007 at 10:59 PM

Stunning line from Steyn’s column:

In the same period [1961-2001], the membership of the Anglican Church of Canada fell by 53%, and it’s still picking up speed. Will the last gay vicar in the remaining unsold cathedral please turn off the lights? Circa mid-century. Okay, more like 2030.

[Wincing and chuckling at the same time]

-RedHatRob

[3] Posted by RedHatRob on 11-13-2007 at 11:52 PM

+Howe’s memo from ++Rowan will come in handy about now… the one about dioceses being the basic unit of organization and unity with Canterbury???  Why, the “national” church is merely an abstract reality!  Whew!  Next?

[4] Posted by Cindy T. in TX on 11-14-2007 at 12:08 AM

The subject of the hearing is whether Virginia’s unique “church division” statute is applicable in this case.  CANA is arguing that it is, of course, and TEC is arguing that it isn’t because a) it wasn’t a “division” of TEC, and b) the AC is not a church in the statutory sense.  (Grossly oversimplified.)

The actual relevant court briefs are: [all pdfs]

DIOCESE OF VIRGINIA & THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH: August 28, 2007, Brief in Scope of 57-9 Hearing—3 parts:
http://www.anglicandistrictofvirginia.org/file_download/82
http://www.anglicandistrictofvirginia.org/file_download/83
http://www.anglicandistrictofvirginia.org/file_download/84

ADV CONGREGATION: August 29, 2007 Congregations Brief in Regards to Scope of November 57-9 hearing
http://www.anglicandistrictofvirginia.org/file_download/75

DIOCESE OF VIRGINIA: August 31, 2007 Reply Brief on Scope of November Hearing
http://www.anglicandistrictofvirginia.org/file_download/86

This case is not by any means a slam dunk.  Keep the prayers going…

[5] Posted by Craig Goodrich on 11-14-2007 at 12:40 AM

Steyn’s article needs its own thread.

[6] Posted by James Manley on 11-14-2007 at 08:04 AM

Here is an AP new report from WTOP news:

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&pid=0&sid=1291519&page=2

Of course either side will appeal, depending on the ruling......oh that Jesus was sitting on the bench!

[7] Posted by yankeeintexas on 11-14-2007 at 02:09 PM

Well, that link attempt did not pan out...let’s try again…

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&pid=0&sid=1291519&page=2

[8] Posted by yankeeintexas on 11-14-2007 at 02:11 PM

yankeeintexas,

Here, try this link:
Virginia Court Delves Into Episcopal Church Split

— Justin Martyr

[9] Posted by Justin Martyr on 11-14-2007 at 04:06 PM

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