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Daily Mail: Meet the women who won’t have babies - because they’re not eco friendly

Friday, November 23, 2007 • 1:48 pm

In the meantime, we should all be having more babies...
Meet the women who won't have babies - because they're not eco friendly

Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible "mistake" of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.

He refused, but Toni - who works for an environmental charity - "relentlessly hunted down a doctor who would perform the irreversible surgery.

Finally, eight years ago, Toni got her way.

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised to "protect the planet".

Incredibly, instead of mourning the loss of a family that never was, her boyfriend (now husband) presented her with a congratulations card.

While some might think it strange to celebrate the reversal of nature and denial of motherhood, Toni relishes her decision with an almost religious zeal.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," says Toni, 35.

"Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population."

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Proverbs 8:36b
...all they that hate me love death.

False theology ends in this way. There is no future.

[1] Posted by Capn Jack Sparrow on 11-23-2007 at 02:06 PM • top

...and writes new beautiful poetry, creates wonderful music, paints a wonderous picture, discovers a cure for a disease, inspires hope in the hopeless, becomes a best friend/husband/sister/brother/cousin, loving mother/father/grandparent/aunt/uncle, teaches someone the Good News of Jesus Christ. How sad for this woman, does she find no joy in life?

[2] Posted by lizzie2 on 11-23-2007 at 02:11 PM • top

This poor woman. She may wake up someday soon and realize what joy she’s cut herself off from. Or she may feel this way for the rest of her life (in which case I hope the planet manages to convey its gratitude to her somehow.) Either way, I feel so sorry for her.

[3] Posted by HumbleAccess on 11-23-2007 at 02:21 PM • top

Am I the only one who thinks that it’s a good thing this woman isn’t reproducing?

[4] Posted by st. anonymous on 11-23-2007 at 02:55 PM • top

She has had eight years during which to re-consider her decision and apparently she is still satisfied. Surely there is some radical feminist episcopalian out there to put a positive spin on this story.

[5] Posted by RMBruton on 11-23-2007 at 02:59 PM • top

“I didn’t like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world”. 

And yet maybe it would not have been a burden to the parents who adopted it. 

“When I see a mother with a large family, I don’t resent her, but I do hope she’s thought through the implications.”

Oh, I’ve thought through the implications, just to name a few: 

1.  Lots of hugs and cuddles and sloppy kisses all the time;

2.  Sticky fingers and faces and giggles;

3.  What looks like a “community bed” complete with two dogs and three kids on the weekends; 

4.  Trips to parks and other family outings with joy all over their faces as they ride merry-go-rounds and equivalent;

5.  Cute little pictures they draw for you and the fun crafts they make;

6.  Feeling like your heart will burst with joy on days like Xmas and Mother’s Day;

7.  Reading and laughing over all sorts of story books;

8.  Giggling out loud through movies like “Enchanted” and “Mr. Bean’s Holiday Vacation”;

9.  Discovering the world and looking at all sorts of neat things from birds’ nests to sunsets;

10.  Splashing around in the sunshine in pools and the ocean in summertime…

11.  Learning all about God’s story, God’s Law, and God’s world;

...just to name a few. 

In the meanwhile, I guess I’m doing my level best to ruin the environment.  #4 is due in June. 

These women’s choices and opinions are their own, but they should probably thank their lucky stars that their mothers didn’t feel the same way. 

hmmm

[6] Posted by Passing By on 11-23-2007 at 03:10 PM • top

St. Anonymous - Although I pray that this woman will be touched by the Lord and will find her heart changed…I tend to agree with you!  wink

[7] Posted by ElaineF. on 11-23-2007 at 03:25 PM • top

I still can’t make up my mind if this:

http://www.vhemt.org/

...is a spoof or not.  They insist that it isn’t.  And even if it is, there are some who’d take it seriously and opt to follow it.

But remember, folks—we’re the “scary” ones.  Boo!

[8] Posted by st. anonymous on 11-23-2007 at 03:26 PM • top

Nothing like sacrificing one’s child at the altar of Gaea.

[9] Posted by paddy on 11-23-2007 at 03:36 PM • top

St. Anonymous, you are not alone in thinking it a good thing that this woman will not reproduce, although I cannot support abortion.

[10] Posted by RMBruton on 11-23-2007 at 04:03 PM • top

Molech, Gaea, convenience…...what’s the difference?

Official ECUSA/TEC position without General Convention or HOB, just the Executive Council:
http://www.rcrc.org/about/members.cfm

[11] Posted by dwstroudmd on 11-23-2007 at 04:06 PM • top

Seems to me that people are bio-degradable.  These folks are denying the earth that which it needs to renew itself.  It is comforting to know that at least they won’t be spreading their beliefs, or lack thereof, to coming generations of their offspring!  What a blessing to the gene pool!  None of my grandchildren will be marrying their children or grandchildren.  My firstborn’s firstborn is expecting her first baby.  She called this morning to tell us that the baby is now 1.25 inches long and has arms and legs, fingers & toes and has lost its tail.  She and her husband named the baby “Little Buddie” when it had arm buds & leg buds, guess they will be looking for a new name!

[12] Posted by Frances Scott on 11-23-2007 at 04:14 PM • top

“Every person who is born uses more food, more water, more land, more fossil fuels, more trees and produces more rubbish, more pollution, more greenhouse gases, and adds to the problem of over-population.”

With this as her moral guideline, the only ethical choice left to her is to commit suicide. Then she will not use more food, water, land, fossil fuels, and trees, nor create more rubbish, pollution, and greenhouse gases. In this way she can carry her view to its logical conclusion, rather than selfishly harm the eco-system.

If she should read this, I would recommend that rather than commit suicide, she should unselfishly share the planet with a newborn infant that she could adopt, and perhaps save from a planned abortion.

...on leave from the Briar Patch,

[13] Posted by Br_er Rabbit on 11-23-2007 at 04:35 PM • top

“When I tell people why I don’t want children, they look at me as if I was planning to commit murder.

Ma’am, you did:

“I didn’t like having a termination, but it would have been immoral to give birth to a child that I felt strongly would only be a burden to the world.

“I’ve never felt a twinge of guilt about what I did, and have honestly never wondered what might have been.

Another sad case of people who never have learned the meaning of moral. Where were her teachers during her Catholic upbringing? Did they never preach or teach on Gen 1 27-28?

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them,
Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of
the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every
living thing that moveth upon the earth.

KJV (italics in original)

Did they not teach the Ten Commandments?

There are other passages that apply, but I’m preaching to the choir here. The ladies profiled in this artical won’t read this comment.

Our schools and media have relentlessly preached the doom and gloom of overpopulation and Global Warming(tm). They have been listened to. We have been too quiet, and here is the result.

Jeffrey A. Roberts

[14] Posted by Jeff in Ohio on 11-23-2007 at 04:38 PM • top

There are some folks who should NOT reproduce…....

[15] Posted by frwalkeratsaintalbans on 11-23-2007 at 04:53 PM • top

This is probably a pretty good example of natural selection at work.

doctor snarkenstein

[16] Posted by the snarkster on 11-23-2007 at 05:08 PM • top

Hmmm, interesting words….
“Having children is selfish”
yet….
“We love walking and hiking, and we often go away for weekends.
“Every year, we also take a nice holiday - we’ve just come back from South Africa.”
because she has no children.

I wonder, which is the selfish response to parenthood?
Personally, I’ll take the kids…and after raising and homeschooling 3 sons, I don’t believe you can call my husband or me “selfish”
Jane, Edwin’s wife

[17] Posted by Edwin on 11-23-2007 at 05:14 PM • top

Jane;
No indeed. You’ve learned the lesson God set for us. These ladies and their husbands never will have the chance to; by their own choice.

May God Bless
Jeffrey A. Roberts

[18] Posted by Jeff in Ohio on 11-23-2007 at 05:27 PM • top

A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Then ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!“and to the hills, “Cover us!”  Luke 23:27-31

A sickness has overtaken our society

[19] Posted by Jeffersonian on 11-23-2007 at 05:47 PM • top

The Daily Mail is a British “newspaper” specialising in this type of story.

I have seen similar “shock/horror” stuff turned out about nuns not having children – written by flakes with similar intentions

[20] Posted by Martin Reynolds on 11-23-2007 at 06:20 PM • top

re: snarkster’s “natural selection” ... is this another example of a genetic line that is self-limited?

[21] Posted by DaveB in VT on 11-23-2007 at 06:23 PM • top

Love for future generations helps inspire good environmental stewardship. You don’t have to be a parent, grandparent, uncle, or aunt, but it can’t hurt.

[22] Posted by Irenaeus on 11-23-2007 at 06:49 PM • top

st. anonymous :

Well, I don’t know.  I don’t know because today I stood in line (a long line) waiting for medicine for my daughter’s sore throat (she has strep).  I know, at present, I myself have a sore throat and realize I probably have the same illness… but I didn’t go to the doctor nor do I plan to spend the money on medicine.  My daughter’s needs come first now - I’ll deal with myself at a latter point.

And it struck me - that before I had children (ten years of my life after h.s.)  ALL I would think about is MY illness and MY medicine.  However, she puts it into perspective - my family comes first and I come second.  I make that choice not because I have too - but because I want too.  It is a lesson I have learned since having children - it is a lesson I am thankful I have learned. 

I feel sorry for anyone who chooses not to have children.  It is a lesson in learning what it means to ‘save your life you must loose it’ it is a lesson in learning that there is more in life beyond your own needs.  I’m a smart woman, I’m very devout - but only my children and the early hours when they are sick and I am tired and sleep deprived - only the times when I could have been doing ‘my own thing’ have taught me a little of the reality of what Jesus gave up to be amongst us.  I have suffered for others (though, I submit not as much as I should have) and I know what it is to love for no other reason than my children simply ARE.  I see glimpses in that of the love God shows for us - I see glimpses of the reality of what Christ did upon this earth.

For this, I am very, very, sorry for her - and anyone who chooses themselves beyond the welfare of other beings on the planet.

[23] Posted by Eclipse on 11-23-2007 at 07:09 PM • top

Slightly off-topic, but I don’t want to lose a full-grown Anglican this evening.  Can someone out there call Brad Drell and talk him in off the ledge?  LSU just got beaten by Arkansas…

[24] Posted by Jeffersonian on 11-23-2007 at 07:14 PM • top

Psalm 127:
3 Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, The fruit of the womb is a reward. 4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, So are the children of one’s youth.  5 Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them; They shall not be ashamed, But shall speak with their enemies in the gate.

I am a man richly blessed. God sent me a helpmate to whom I have been married for 30 years. And He has blessed us with 11 children.

I heartily endorse this line of Luther’s as he rediscovered, rescued, and redefined the role of Christian father:

“Hans is cutting his teeth and beginning to make a joyous nuisance of himself. These are the joys of marriage of which the pope is not worthy.”

It is not feeble human beings who create life and bring a new soul into existence. In the sovereignty of God there are no “unplanned” pregnancies. No one will appear before the throne of God and hear, “Who are you? Where did you come from?” God knew and planned each of us before the foundation of the world.

They know not in what terrible and awesome things they meddle…

-RedHatRob

[25] Posted by RedHatRob on 11-23-2007 at 08:59 PM • top

Natural law at work.  These people are selecting themselves—and their ideas—out of the population.  Those that value children, and the self-sacrifice that they bring, will win for spiritual reasons to be sure, but also due to natural law.

[26] Posted by Benedict on 11-23-2007 at 09:21 PM • top

Why doesn’t this person take the next logical step and kill herself?  After all, if it is selfish to bring new life into this world, then it follows that it is selfish for one to keep one’s self around.

[27] Posted by Steven in Falls Church on 11-23-2007 at 10:29 PM • top

Please count me (at 7 months preggo) to be happy to add to this “overpopulation” nonsense.  Since this is our first, we’re only just beginning :D

I had an argument with a friend once that began after he overheard me telling his wife of a story I read where a woman found out that she was still pregnant with her ninth child two months after his/her twin was miscarried (a strange story but very uplifting).  Anyway, this argument started because he began complaining about overpopulation and people shouldn’t have that many kids that they can’t take care of and that his tax money shouldn’t go to paying for their kid’s schooling.  I was unfortunately unable to convince him that the planet might be better off without his contributions as well, that many families who have a lot of children don’t live on welfare (I’m talking mostly about families that have a strong marriage as foundation), and that families like that have a tendency to HOMESCHOOL their children instead of sending them to public school.  I’m really bad at debating so I ended up not able to get him to see the other side, but I feel very sorry for him that he seems to hate children so much.  I’m also amazed he thought it was a good idea to spout that crap to a pregnant woman.  Oh well.

[28] Posted by Courageous Grace on 11-23-2007 at 11:43 PM • top

Do these men and women who are selfishly refusing to procreate ever consider how painful it is for childless men and women (reading this article) who are praying for the blessing-of-the-womb month after month?
How cruel reading of other men and women gleefully scorning at this blessed opportunity of sharing in God’s work of “creating” and nurturing?

Fr. Kinglsey
Arlington, TX

[29] Posted by Spiro on 11-24-2007 at 10:58 AM • top

As a father, who for medical reasons, only had one child, I pity these women. Our son has brought joy to us over the years. Now he is grown and has given us a lovely granddaughter, whom we care for while her parents work, and another grandchild on the way. It has renewed my wife and I to have her with us and to watch her grow. Sure sometimes, she is a little messy and a little loud, but I wouldn’t trade the joy and the love she brings into our lives every day.

I can only hope and pray that these people, men and women, will wake up and realize what they are missing before it is too late. But then, as some other posters have stated maybe it is a good thing that they don’t reproduce. With their attitudes they might not be the best parents in the world.

[30] Posted by FrRick on 11-25-2007 at 08:12 PM • top

This bespeaks a commodification of human life.  If all we are is a brood of consumers, then she is right.  However, if we are innately precious because of who it was who made us, then we are not consumers (without right to planetary resources) or commodities (to be selfish for), but in fact gifts who are to care for the earth and care for one another.  This is sad because she doesn’t even know her own worth in the eyes of God.  It is also sad because I am not able to receive such a gift to raise up and teach to care for the Lord’s creation, and she didn’t appreciate her ability to do so.  I pray that her eyes may one day be opened to how much the Father loves her.

[31] Posted by Modest Mystic on 11-28-2007 at 02:05 PM • top

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