WOW.

If it is true about Bishop Schofield then he just became my hero.

Re: Lisa Fox . . . just another example of obsession with sexuality.  Very strange . . .

Reminds me of all the reappraisers running around burbling about “a presiding bishop with ovaries” . . . . who would have thought they could be so sexist, judging people on their gender.

I care about people’s actions, regardless of whether they are male or female.

Kind of brings a bit of stronger meaning to 1 Peter 4:1-5,it just gets their goat that he’s walking free and not ‘running with them’ or ‘plunge into’ in the same flood of ‘debauchery’ ,proof that the Gospel frees and delivers from their pet sin and so they malign,insult(’heap abuse’) and try to intimidate him.
God bless Bishop Schofield

The pure evil of some of our revisionist friends is really “coming out,” is it not.

Lisa Fox is deranged, pure and simple, and deserves our prayers more than our scorn. But her remarks, and the catty comments that follow it on her blog, reveal a key disorder for those folks: It’s a crisis of being, an ontological disconnect that goes: I am not who I am because of my faith, or how I treat others, or because of th mother or father or friend I am. I am who I am because of where I put my willy.

Sad. Very sad.

Does anyone have Bishop Schofield’s email address, or mailing address?

If he is a celibate recovering homosexual, then he needs our encouragment.  He needs to know that he has friends out here.

I’ve got to run but maybe someone will know it?

Drell confirms it, and I had heard about it before but never gave it much thought, because to me it truly doesn’t matter whether one is straight or gay. All that matters is whether you strive to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

What you’re seeing from Lisa Fox, and what you’ll doubtless see from hordes of revisionists in the next few weeks, is proof that far more than they despise us, they despise former homosexuals, or homosexuals who don’t toe the liberal party line. They hate them because they prove two things: 1)That homosexuality isn’t immutable; and 2) that people can be possessed of same-sex attraction, but not possessed by the lifestyle, the politics, or the shoddy theology.

At least the priest she links as her source has been honest in his disclaimer at the top of his blog:

“Reflections of an Episcopal priest serving a largely lgbt, inner city parish. All views published here are my own and do not necessarily represent the views ... of God!”

What a relief!

Greg,I think the NRSV puts it really well in Ephesians 4:17-22,emphasis on the last 6 words of verse 22.

Accidently hit post before finishing last post,sorry.
‘corrupt and deluded by its lusts’

Paddy,

Great scripture reference.  Add to that, 1 Cor 6:11:

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

None of us know whether Bp Schofield is gay or not, and it is none of our business what sexual attractions he may feel in whatever directions. What we do know is that he is not married, and therefore celibate. It is not the “orientation” that is sinful, it is the behavior, whether it is hetero sex outside of marriage, or homosexual sex.

Bp Schofield is leading his Church in Christ, and any discussion of his sexual orientation, without any scintilla of proof of sinful behaviour, is irrelevant, and disrespectful.

sorry about that bolding.  still need to become more versed in format use. I should have hit that preview button as well.  Mea culpa!

The fellow who finds alcohol vile-tasting does not deserve a great deal of praise for avoiding the sin of drunkenness.  The guy who has a predisposition to alcoholism, but nevertheless abstains from drinking, has done something worthy of praise.

Bill S,
No-one has inferred any behaviour on Bishop Schofield,rather he has our great appreciation and admiration as a warrior(1 Tim.1:18-19,Romans 8:31-38) and greatly worthy bishop in the battle that Jude commended to us,Jude 3,and in his care for the sheep God has given to His care,1Peter 5:2-3.
Grace and peace
Paddy

One thing for sure about Lisa Fox, she has no compunctions about airing her neuroses and/or psychoses for all to see.  She is a very sad woman and I lift her up in prayers for healing daily. She is but venting that self-loathing that so many of the LGBT persuasion indulge themselves in. She does it by attacking Bishop Schofield, a man whom she does not know; yet she feels justified in venting her spleen on this “traitor to the cause” as it were. 

One very sick puppy, indeed!

I also found the condescending and sneering comments to that thread most enlightening. What a wonderful place the Episcopal Church will be when these sorts of people make up the majority and there are none of those deranged people who talk about sin and repentance all the time!  I can feel the warm glow of love already!

Don’t give wings to this malicious gossip.  As has been said above, behavior counts.  There has never been a suggestion, not even by the nuttiest of the nuts, of improper conduct. He has dedicated most of his adult life for Christ and the Church.

This allegation has been around since July and is spread by the fringe that attributes any position supporting the Scriptural prohibition against sex behavior to anger resulting from repressed homosexuality.  Its sole attributed source are so far are undocumented 1994 comments allegedly made by Bishop Schofield to Foundations Daily journal at General Convention, speaking in a positive manner about the work of New Creation Ministries in Fresno, which provides counseling for people dealing with sexual temptation, sexual addiction, same-sex attraction or sex brokenness, including pornography. Everyone, gay, straight or confused rock sitting Penguin, would do well to follow this group’s suggestions.

Wow, no wonder they’re going after him.  It’s not that they think he’s a traitor to TEC, it’s that he’s a traitor to The Cause.  Golly.  This is really icky.

bb

[*LOL*] Oh Timothy, you just had to bring the penguins back into this, did you? 

Greg,

I don’t know what word (singular) you were thinking of, but I confess, several (superlative plural) came to my mind, most of which had to do with the stuff that makes cow pastures grow green or the pools of raw materials that make up Milorganite.  Maybe they would like us to jump into that pool with them and are surprised we won’t and don’t.

I once heard Richard Wurmbrand speak about his experience in Romanian prisons because he stood for the gospel.  Often the authorities didn’t just attack by arresting him, but by slandering his character through suggestions of sexual misconduct knowing it would discredit him in the eyes of many people inside and outside of the church.  He was grieved by these attacks until the Lord pointed out that suffering for Him would be more than physical suffering (which he was prepared to do) but would include character assassination and the attempted destruction of his ministry.

Looking at this whole sad scenario only shows that Satan is still playing from the same playbook. I pray that Bp Schofield will stand strong in the Lord now that all the lightning is flying in his direction.

Paddy,
Thank you for your kind reply. I did not mean to suggest that anyone at Stand Firm is in anyway inferring anything about Bp Shofield’s behavior. You make my point exactly, there is no evidence of sinful behavior, and so any speculation about any aspect of his sex life is simply out of bounds. We do not speculate about the sex life of Bruno or Schori, why should Bp Schofield be treated any differently?

The irony is that Lisa Fox and the rest of the revisionists say that a person’s sexual orientation should not matter, yet they are the ones trying to make an issue out of unfounded speculation about Bp Shofield. Most of us reasserters feel that one’s orientation is not the issue, it is sinful behavior that we are concerned about.

We do not care about Bp Shofield’s “orientation” as long as he follows the rules, no sex outside of heterosexual marriage. All evidence is that he is faithfully following the rules.

I have great admiration for Bp Shofield and the courageous stand he is taking.
Peace, and Happy Thanksgiving!

BillS

Greg, I agree with you I don’t care what specific temptations he struggles with, and consider him all the more hero for overcoming them.

However, the “Drell confirms it” and “I had heard about it before” suggests that both of you know the truth about the matter. Is it possible that BD and you simply heard a variation of the same circular rumors that I discussed above?  Is this a case where someone starts a rumor months ago, and then raises it again only to have it confirmed by those that heard her original slander?

Again, we all struggle with sexual temptation and all that matters is how we deal with it.  In this case, there is no scandal whether it is true or not.  But I would hate for this site to become the confirmation for a rumor inspired by the Evil One.

However, the “Drell confirms it” and “I had heard about it before” suggests that both of you know the truth about the matter. Is it possible that BD and you simply heard a variation of the same circular rumors that I discussed above?  Is this a case where someone starts a rumor months ago, and then raises it again only to have it confirmed by those that heard her original slander?

Timothy,

You’re right - I should have been more careful with my wording. What I meant was, “Drell says it’s true,” not “Drell confirms the truth of the rumor.”

But I agree - this is no scandal, whatever the truth or untruth of the rumor. John Bennison? Scandal. Adrian Parry? Scandal.

A celibate Episcopal bishop, who stands on the truth of the Gospel? Would that all our bishops were that scandalous.

This is ths comment I posted on this thread at Lisa Fox’s blog:

I never knew nor did it occur to me that +Schofield was a celibate homosexual. It doesn’t change my high regard for him one bit, instead I admire him the more for practicing what he preaches even at the cost of the fulfillment of a physically intimate relationship. Lisa, not everyone who makes +Schofield’s choice is self-hating, though some undoubtedly are. Self-denying, yes, in the way Jesus said one who would be His disciple must be. You may be familiar with the blogs of two other men who formerly were in same-sex relationships but renounced them for their better spiritual health. I have read many a post with not a trace of self-hatred at David Morrison’s Sed Contra (sedcontra.blogspot.com) and Huw Raphael’s Doxos (raphael.doxos.com). If you have never read their blogs, I highly reccommend a visit.

Seems like many reasserter commenters have jumped in there and, so far, she hasn’t even deleted any comments!

One last time. None of us know whether Bp Schofield is gay or not. All we know is that it is true that there is a rumor that he is gay, not whether the rumor is true. Fr. Jake has asked that posters on his blog quit speculating, for the same reason. For once, I am in agreement with Fr Jake. All we know is that he is a faithful, celibate Bishop.

How do “we know...that (Schofield) is a faithful, celibate Bishop” ?

How do we know that Bruno is not a stripper in a gay bar? There is no evidence to support it.

Peace,

BillS

nashvilleepiscopalian: The truth is we don’t. Events in Colorado show how many can hide sin & we are very sadden when those truths come into the light.

THAT SAID - We have NO evidence to the contrary, therefore love dictates we presume the best!

I think we can be pretty sure that he is, because with people like Lisa Fox digging for dirt - oh, excuse me, “do(ing) a bit of research” - if there were anything shady going on, it’d be public by now.

I agree with the three last postings.  However, I do think it prudent not to make declarative statements such as “All we know is that he is a faithful, celibate Bishop.” Very few people, perhaps only one person, knows if that is factually correct.

“I think we can be pretty sure that he is...”

Does this mean that you think Bruno is a stripper in a gay bar? Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course.

We can never prove the negative. We have no evidence regarding Bp Schofield’s orientation, and it is none of our business. Perhaps he is heterosexual, but like Catholic priests, he decided to take a personal vow of chastity to focus on his work in the Church.

O. K. Nashville.  We’ll also be careful not to make declarative statements such as “We all know that nashvilleepiscopalian is not cavorting with space aliens.”

+Schofield has earned a stellar reputation.  To suggest he perhaps hasn’t lived up to it as, frankly, you did (whether you meant to or not) is less then charitable.  Yes, I was offended by your earlier post.

Yeah, but Newbie, are we so sure Nashville isn’t cavorting with penguins? 

I’m sorry, I blame Timothy, he’s the one who brought the penguins over.

Well, the Bloom County comic strip did talk about Penguin Lust, so you never know.

Thanks for the levity, Hosea 6:6.  And I apology for being a bit harsh in my previous post if an apology is called for.

Hosea, the problem is if he IS covorting with Penguins, we wouldn’t easily know how to classify the behavior, because, as you very well know from the prior article, they (I am not talking about Nashville, but the Penguins) are very near-sided and sometimes get a little “confused.” So, it proves nothing.

By the way, shame on you for even bringing this up. Until I repeat this Penguin rumor, I will wait until it is first posted on a revisionist blog without documentation, then cited months later on another revisionist blog using the first blog as a source, then “confirmed” on reasserter blogs. Only then can the news considered juicy gossip worth spreading in Christian circles.

Oh dear, I see what you mean Timothy .   So what your saying is this is now way out of control ... in a few months poor Nashville is going to be “confirmed” to be a penguin ... OH what did I do? ... I’m so sorry Nashville.

WAIT!  I didn’t think revisionist believed in transformation. All we need to do is assert Nashville is not a penguin now ... right?

I don’t know why this should even be discussed by anybody.  The topic seems to me to originate entirely in the long-simmering LGBT rage that resulted when Bp. Schofield praised one of the programs to help those who deal with same-sex attraction and who are aided by Jesus Christ to maintain the beauty of holiness.  He is heroic to speak out for this movement in today’s “moral” environment, and his courage makes him a target.

Well said Paula. 
Unfortunately, liberal “courage” is bucking the sytem - for the sake of either:
1) getting what I want when I want it and you’d better say that it is a GOOD thing (you repressive homophobes or mysogynists or _______ fill in the blank)
or
2) bucking the system itself - you know, stick it to THE MAN, damn the torpedos and full speed ahead.

Self-sacrificing does not seem to be a category deemed worthy of praise.

This issue and rumor came alive again on the HOB/HOD list a couple of years ago from some guys out of El Camino Real.  I was an active participant on that listserv at that time.  I asked the bishop, he said “no.” I posted it back to HOB/HOD listserv.  They weren’t sorry for posting what they had heard from somebody else.

Thank you, Hosea. By replying to me post you have given me the first confirmation I need to establish the validity of my earlier speculation. You are now my independent source.

Paula, you are right, although I suppose if this was going to be the latest tool used against the orthodox then it is worthwhile to expose it for the sinful gossip that it is, as long as in doing so people don’t add to the gossip.

It reminds me of my [former] Bishops admonition that I didn’t want to have anything to do with those polygamy approving Bishops in Africa.  I have since gotten to know several of these Bisops, but have yet to find those second and third wives.  I am sure they are out there somewhere.

I trust you all realize that Rob Eaton+ who has posted above is a leader in San Joaquin.  I hope his straightforward post will squelch a lot of further speculation.

Bp Schofield and the folks in San Joaquin need our prayers in these days.  May God grant them strength & perseverance and courage, much wisdom and love.  May they stand firm and united in prayer in the midst of attacks temporal and spiritual.  Thank God for their witness and faithfulness.

Thanks Father Rob for the clarification.Continuing to pray for God’s abundant blessing on Bishop Schofield .

I noticed on Lisa’s “source” blog the writer says “you couldn’t make this stuff up”. Sounds like he did just that?

Let’s please close this thread, perhaps even delete it.

Fr.Rob. if and when Bishop Scofield becomes aware of these terrible allegations, please let him know he is in the prayers of (dare I say) thousands who are lifting him up in prayer for God’s protection and blessing.  We so look forward to having Fr. Mark as our bishop here in SC. And are very grateful that he comes from a diocese where we know the Gospel is upheld by a brave and faithful shepherd. !

Grannie Gloria in SC

I think the Bishop would have a good case for libel.  Any California lawyers here?

Greg, Matt, Sarah, et. al.  This is the kind of thread that give blogs a bad name… Please delete this… This allegations is straight from the pit of hell...and deserves no time at all.  It is a ‘when did you stop beating your wife’...comment.

David H. Roseberry

I disagree.  The point of the original post wasn’t to discuss Bishop Schofield, but the muckraking tactics of the increasingly desperate and reckless Left.  The thread has done a good job of very quickly exposing a very dirty attempt to defame a churchman who’s gotten in the way of revisionists.  If Lisa Fox retracts her posting and apologizes for it, it will be a suitable moment to delete the thread.  But otherwise, you’re letting the lie stand and removing the expose.  Truth should always stand above fastidiousness.

I emphatically agree.  To ignore this allegation is to stand by and allow it to spread.  This sort of filth should be taken on directly, not ignored in the name of some “higher” motivation.

DHR - as one who has been accused of starting vicious rumors about penguin, I’m going to have to agree with Dr. Mabuse.

First, you are correct, this is VERY sad!!!! I really wish people who we may disagree would not stoop to such levels. I’m REALLY sad this post was made know via Stand Firm.

However, it does show the brevity of what we are dealing with in hell infiltrating our Church. However DHR, you have a point, these type of post can bring out the worst in us. The Penguin thread re-emerged in force after a post basically when a baseless accusations supporting Lisa Fox and after standing firm, I played off as a joke to lighten the mood & hopefully bring this discussion back.

It’s not my blog, but if the comments are kept open, I’d urge us all to combine the reasons for discussion given by Dr. Mabuse with the sensitivity for our brother DHR & many others.

I wonder what the bishop himself would wish?

DHR:
BTW-- I’m the only gung-ho Jesus Lover at my work, at least I’m the only one who does not talk about women & sex as they do on TV or pop culture who says they go to worship on Sunday. It’s lonely and I’m teased all the time.

However a possible answer to ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ is that “I’ve not started yet, when I do, I’ll be sure to let you know.”

You can engage with wit and sacrasm, just remember always in love.

Follow up: Seeing abuse, my above has NOTHING to do with advocating abuse. However, learning how to upset someone’s logic is VERY useful as a believer. It’s better to be polite abd play with someone’s mind than to be offended, Remember, we can peek at the end of the Book and see who wins, so we do not need to be afrais of Lisa Fox or these individuals created in the image of our God, even if they don’t know it yet, at my job.

Thank you BillS for sticking up for honsesty and decency and for Rob Eaton+ who set the record straight. 

This deception is truly the work of satan.  May God belss +Schofield! 

Let this thread stand as a testimony to the evil works of the enemy who seek to devour the faithfull.

Let us not forget that even IF the rumor were true, the fact that +Schofield is a celibate human being is an act of God, and an act of will and obedience on the part of the good bishop.  May He grant all of us who must live a life of celibacy and obedience be led by the bishop’s example.

One of the rules of my classroom has always been, “If you can’t say anything kind/complimentary/positive, don’t say anything at all.”

Ms Fox, it appears, needs to look up Exodus 20:16 and write it out, 100 times.

This is the only blog that I know of that in a godly way brings to light what people like Lisa Fox and Terry Martin (Fr. Jake) are promoting.

Somebody needs to put a critical eye on their words, if anything for their own sake.

Boy, am I glad I didn’t see this today and was busy with family.  Bishop Schofield is an AVOWED celibate - he has taken orders for this.  He once told me that if you are called to be celibate you know - God calls you to it.  And we both agreed I wasn’t “nun material”.  It was not my calling.  But it is his.  This kind of tactic is just what we are learning to expect.  The other side isn’t using the same rule book as we are call to - the Holy Bible.