It’s 2:15pm, I’m sitting in the HOD. This place can be really disorienting if you’ve never been to General Convention before. I’ve never been to General Convention before so I’m quite disoriented.
They are going through a process now called “dispatch of business.”
FW+ is at the podium introducing A159 now in fact. I’m glad I’m here.
FW+ notes a typograpgical error.
This resolution is the essential beginning to our answer to the Windsor report. It is basic to all that follows. The fourth resolve goes further than the others by suggesting a specific way of moving forward in communion.
Don Gern: I hope we understand the implications of this.
Harmon: I share the same concerns and I wish to underscore the phrase “abiding commitment”. The AC is in the process of changing. It is moving south. Lists some growth stats from the global south. If we say that we have this commitment I hope we mean it.
Glasspoole: I rise in strong support of this resolution. It has been a pleasure to watch the SCECAC deliberate. It is our desire to make a strong statement to our commitment to communion. I urge your support for this res.
Eastwood: I want to offer an amendment. The first resolve: following the word possible, “consistent with the separate historic status.”
Seconded.
Discussion of amendment
Eastwood resumes: It is our desire to strengthen this statement by noting that the positionfrom which we come flows from the freedom we have as an independent body.
Eastwood: I want to offer an amendment. The first resolve: following the word possible, “consistent with the independant, separate historic status.”
Seconded.
Discussion of amendment
Eastwood resumes: It is our desire to strengthen this statement by noting that the positionfrom which we come flows from the freedom we have as an independent body.
???: I oppose this resolution. It is redundant.
Wipper: I rise to speak against the amendment. WE need to let the Spirit work to do a new thing if he wants.
Current: the amendment says we want to be part of the Anglican Communion on our own terms. WE want to do what we want to do without consultation
??? The word Possible which exists make the amendment unnecessary
Colorado: Everything I’ve heard says we are interdependent. This amendment speaks against it.
Lehman: I support the amendment. The AC has always been comprised of independent provinces. It is extremely important at this time that we remember that our provincial entities are autonomous…
Chair: Reads the amendment: “Consistent with the historic separate and independent status of the churches …”
Someone moves to move closure for resolution:
Seconded:
2/3rds vote required
No’s have it.
Debate is open.
Another speaker: I move to close on the amendment:
Second
Vote:
Aye’s have it
Someone calls the question
Vote on the amendment: Amendment fails
Discussion returns to the original resolution
Another amendment: line 13: following the word trust, add the word “autonomy”
Motion seconded.
Line would read
“Characterized by forbearance trust autonomy and respect”
Harmon: I want to speak against this amendment. We keep hearing these words like “autonomy” and “independence” it is as if the eye is saying “I have no need of you” from the start. We are taking a posture of self-assertion which I think is the opposite of what we should do.
???I oppose the amendment. The word autonomy is inconsistent with the spirit of that part of the phrase which speaks to a desire for unity and communion. Asserting autonomy here is inconsistent with this resolution.
Loiuse: from FL. To put autonomy there looks like an oxymoron
Ian Douglas: I oppose the amendment. This language of forbearance… already helps accomplish what the amendment wants to say. The words trust and respect are to be celebrated. I urge the house to vote against the amendment.
Cavalll: I rise to speak in favor of the amendment. I was in the diocese of Chinchese of Ughanda and knowing I was coming here, I had some conversations with the bishop of that diocese. He was afraid that our action would be coercive. I believe by inserting this reference to autonomy we speak to that fear. We view our sisters and brothers as equally autonomous.
Mayo: I speak against the amendment. From the beginning it has been obvious that the provinces have been autonomous. This is unnecessary and it gives the feeling of separating while being part of the communion the same time.
Original person who offered amendment: This simply describes the nature of our historic relationship. Any healthy relationship is characterized by both autonomy and interdependence.
Call question:
Question called. The amendment is defeated.
We return to the original resolution.
???? I call the question
Second
The Ayes have it.
The question is called.
Vote on the resolution on A159:
The resolution is adopted
A159, the first SCECAC motions has passed the HOD.
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I can see why she would want this one passed. It says absolutely nothing. Posted by David Fischler on 06-15-2006 at 01:18 PM [link]
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Passing a resolution that does nothing but restate the obvious allows the Integripalians to say “Look at how hard we are working to accomodate the WR. We’ve passed one whole worthless resolution. Film at eleven. the snarkster Posted by the snarkster on 06-15-2006 at 01:23 PM [link]
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I see the strategy at work here. A series of amendments are offered to push the resolution to the left, and then when the vote comes on the actual resolution, it looks moderate though it is in fact what the left wanted all along. Very clever. Posted by David Fischler on 06-15-2006 at 01:25 PM [link]
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“A159, the first SCECAC motions has passed the HOD.” To wit. Posted by David Fischler on 06-15-2006 at 01:32 PM [link]
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Snarkster. Please, now, quickly, get an attorney and copyright “Integripalians.” Brilliant. Posted by Michael+ on 06-15-2006 at 01:40 PM [link]
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The pivotal voters in GC are the “institutional” liberals. From their perspective, the most important goal is to preserve ECUSA as a business entity. The theological disputes are of secondary importance. Thanks to the English intervention yesterday, fudge won’t work. Therefore, ECUSA is going to have to make a clear decision, offending either (a) the AC, or (b) our own “prophetic” liberals. Now which of those groups would the institutional liberals most want to placate? Well, the American prophetic liberals will not accept a true submission to Windsor and can make trouble for the institutional liberals every day. Exhibit A: Newark’s nominations for bishop, due next week. By contrast, the AC is far away and while it can “discipline” ECUSA as a whole, it cannot interfere with the institution’s internal operations. [N.B. there are a few conservatives sprinkled around, but besides a few dioceses and parishes, they are isolated and powerless. The reasserters can be dismissed for the purpose of this calculation.] Viewed this way, the home grown prophetic liberals can stir up a lot more trouble for ECUSA as an institution than can the AC. So from the “institutional” liberal perspective, which group do you placate? Seems too easy… Posted by Publius on 06-15-2006 at 01:44 PM [link]
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Not good enough to keep ECUSA in communion or to create space toward consensus of the Anglican Communion on this issue. Posted by Alice C. Linsley on 06-15-2006 at 01:49 PM [link]
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re: Integripalians™: All new words posted here to describe liberal Episcopalianism are ©Stand Firm, LLC. All rights reserved. Especially the really clever ones. Posted by Greg Griffith on 06-15-2006 at 01:59 PM [link]
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Publius, you may be correct, I’ll wait and see what happens to the other WR resolutions which apprear to be heading for a delay from their previously scheduled Friday debate and vote. Posted by Jerry on 06-15-2006 at 02:01 PM [link]
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I love Cavall’s argument for inserting “autonomy”—“We don’t want our African brothers to be afraid that we will imperialistically try to foist gay marriage / ordination on them!” What a crock. The level of dishonesty among revisionists is simply appalling. Posted by Wilson on 06-15-2006 at 02:14 PM [link]
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Yawl are gettin too feistied up! The resolution is bogus! Did you not hear +Durham or ++York yesterday? The resolutions will not cut the mustard with the AC. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE STRATEGY IS! If it doesn’t meet the demands of WR, do you think the other primates are foolish to fall for this malarkey? Relax! Just enjoy the show. It’s amazing to me how much energy they expend on these trivialities when they know they’re missing the target with the response to WR. Kinda like aceing the bonus question on the exam when you’re failing. Who cares? Posted by richardc on 06-15-2006 at 02:38 PM [link]
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This is like provisions in wills that I read saying “I would like my Executor to treat my children nicely with gifts from my estate,” rather than “My Executor is to give my children the following property.” Guess how often the former kind of language ends up being useless, and only causing further discord? Often. Posted by Rick Killough on 06-15-2006 at 02:45 PM [link]
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Publius: You may be right. But where will the “prophetic” radicals go? “ECUSA as a business entity” does stand to suffer if expelled from the Anglican Communion. Posted by Irenaeus on 06-15-2006 at 03:13 PM [link]
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A159 is the resolution Susan Russell wants passed.